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Tormsskull wrote:


PT.B=The Devil wrote:
My players reminisce about the time they played a ranger who became a city vigilante. They talk about the time their Bard became Baron of a small wilderness country. They talk about fighting dragons, old ones, and beholders. They never ever talk about their stats. Ever. I guess that explains why PB isnt seen as "cookie cutter" or "unearned" by me and the homies.

That's awesome - but I think you missed the point. If you use PB, why would a player ever tell stories about their stats? "Dude, do you remember that time I bought an 18? That was really smart on my part."

Do your players ever talk about that time when the group almost died but then Jane scored that critical hit to save the day? Its kind of like that.

We never talk about rolling "18s" though we talk about the times that one person had great stats and no one else did. Rolling stats wrecked more games for us then it ever made better or memorable. I understand what you are saying, im just providing another perspective. No insults, no badwrongfun, just a case of one man's feature being another man's bug.

Peace?


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Tormsskull wrote:
TOZ wrote:
I can't for the life of me understand such a view.

It's probably due to starting with Basic D&D and roll 3d6 in order stat gen method.

In that method, rolling an 18 was very rare. Even when it switched to 4d6b3, an 18 was still fairly rare. So having an 18 put a character in an imaginary little elite club.

When people started using PB and buying an 18, that imaginary little elite club became a free-for-all that anyone and everyone could enter.

People use to tell stories about that one time Bob rolled an 18 - it was an event. No one tells stories about that time Bob bought an 18.

My players reminisce about the time they played a ranger who became a city vigilante. They talk about the time their Bard became Baron of a small wilderness country. They talk about fighting dragons, old ones, and beholders. They never ever talk about their stats. Ever. I guess that explains why PB isnt seen as "cookie cutter" or "unearned" by me and the homies.


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You got 3 min to put that into paragraphs.....

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Scythia wrote:
I just hope it's more akin to Stand Alone Complex (with a good mix of action and intrigue), and less like the Ghost in the Shell movie (that tended to feel like a freshman philosophy class being taught from Isaac Asimov novels).

Flip that around for me!

Though i'm guessing you will be very pleased when this comes out. Along with the whitewashing i'm predicting a simplification of the writing for a general audience. I think the comparison to the Aeon flux film is about what i'm expecting here. Hope I'm wrong tho!

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Yeah those producers have terribad filmographies.....Im still hanging onto hope because I loved GitS 1 and 2.

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Werthead wrote:


1) Set in the original timeline, not the Abramsverse (as mentioned earlier, CBS don't have the rights to the Abramsverse without doing a new deal with Paramount).

Fine by me.

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2) Set after STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY but before STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

Hmm interesting.

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3) The show will not involve a starship called Enterprise.

DS9 was my favorite Trek, so I can certainly live with that.

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4) The show will be "tightly serialised".

Perfect, I prefer this method.

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5) The show will be a "seasonal anthology" series like TRUE DETECTIVE and FARGO. Each season will be set in a different part of the STAR TREK universe and canon, and will be free to use different castmembers (new or old), settings and ideas.

Now this is the best nugget. I see a few folks were like "aw I wanted to see X period of Trek...." and I think eventually you will. Hopefully they can make cohesive interesting seasons over and over again within the format. I think that will be key to the success of this new series. My interest is piqued!


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so you're a 39 point build?

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It will be interesting to see how well Warcraft does. I think that can shed some insight to the market. Even though at this point in time I think Warcraft has more presence than D&D does.

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One of the biggest contributors I believe is the same topics coming up over and over. New forumites don't have the conversation history that the veterans do. So often the bad faith arguments are "here we go again" or getting "inb4" the rhetoric begins. Worst case scenario the poster makes bad faith arguments out of spite. A good exercise is to think if you have nothing constructive to contribute its best to not contribute at all.

Let me be the first to apologize for failing often on this. I swear im getting better though!

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Add Spy to the list. Ugh, they beat every joke to death and it was way way too long. Overrated so do yourself a favor and skip it if you havent seen it!

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While I think its good for folks to discuss role playing games and their preferences, I feel talks of where the "pendulum" should be are not particularly helpful. The results of such are generally endless arguments about rightgoodfun, which is only true for the opinion holder and those who share it. The best part of the article was this paragraph;

"Not every game of this sort must be completely balanced with regard to all of these aspects. Such a decision is entirely in the hands of the game master and the players. If a particular group desires to stress acting, or combat, or problem solving, or any other singular feature of the whole, that is strictly up to the individuals concerned. How they enjoy gaming, and what constitutes fun, is theirs alone to decide."

Overall, I think there are some good nuggets in the article. Particularly, the parts that discuss calling out a module/adventure/tournament and what parts of the game it emphasizes to set accurate expectations for players. However, discussing the difference between role play and role assumption is fine, as long as the writer refrains from marking boundaries of good vs. bad. I think GG gets really close to doing just that here.

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Christopher Dudley wrote:
DoomOtter wrote:
I hate it when people play classes and races stereotypically.
Yeah, that used to bug me, then I figured that maybe I've seen it hundreds of times, but they haven't gotten to play it hundreds of times, so, I just smile and nod. I haven't seen a clich├ęd character type that didn't have some individual expression come through in it.

+1 The only characters I hate at the table are absolutists. You know the type that must murder on site their favored enemy even to the point of suicidal odds, or the guy playing a "pharasmin follower" so he must destroy all undead immediately despite any assistance or leads say a ghost might provide the party, also the paladin that detects evil 24/7 and kills immediately once ping'd no matter the context. Those folks need not apply at my table.


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Imbicatus wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
I miss the 30's pulpiness and immersive feel of the older films. CS felt like a constant hood wink to the audience. The entire experience was like one of those craptastic MGM/Universal park rides. Speilberg has made a few of these stinkers in his career but nothing on this level. They completely missed the mark on the experience IMO. They could have taken and run with the "I like Ike" theme but ultimately they just put Soviet skins on the old nazi BBEG schtick and rolled with it....ugh. Oh and it doesnt matter who wrote the nuclear blast fridge ride scene it was fu##$g stupid, yeap thats right the gopher too. Also, vines and monkeys? WTF did you have to make me think of CS again for?

Ok, let's take an honest look at Temple of Doom. An annoying shrieking love interest who is always complaining about everything. The banquet of eyeball stew, snake stuffed with live snakes, and monkey brains from the skull for desert. What could have been an amazing look at the thugees that was instead a reskin of the nazis. Also, bugs in the trapped room? A mine cart designed like a roller coaster? Indiana being possessed by shiva and then acting like nothing happened?

It's got just ans many annoying and stupid plot choices as Crystal Skull. It's just that nostalgia for a beloved childhood movie gives it a pass.

All fair points. Keep in mind though, I never said ToD was good, just that CS is a stinking POS. I do get a huge smile on my face every time someone mentions the premier being at Cannes film fest for CS :)


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I miss the 30's pulpiness and immersive feel of the older films. CS felt like a constant hood wink to the audience. The entire experience was like one of those craptastic MGM/Universal park rides. Speilberg has made a few of these stinkers in his career but nothing on this level. They completely missed the mark on the experience IMO. They could have taken and run with the "I like Ike" theme but ultimately they just put Soviet skins on the old nazi BBEG schtick and rolled with it....ugh. Oh and it doesnt matter who wrote the nuclear blast fridge ride scene it was fu##$g stupid, yeap thats right the gopher too. Also, vines and monkeys? WTF did you have to make me think of CS again for?

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Molten Dragon wrote:
Molten Dragon wrote:
Pan wrote:
Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Have you tried putting them on pause after one of the books, storing the characters, and then finishing later while another GM runs substitute games?
Yes to disastrous effect....Once we stop, even if the GM says "just a break" it means campaign over :(
This has been my experience for the last 30 years. I've learned to just roll with it.

I hate to quote myself, but just by way of follow up; we put the campaign I was dming on "break" to play shadowrun for two sessions. That fizzled so now we are doing mutants and masterminds again with me dming.

I'm 100% certain we will never get back to the campaign on break. And I'm fine with that and so are the players.

It didnt bother me so much in the past, however, since picking up the APs it bothers me greatly. I want to see the story all the way through now! Guess I learned my lesson no APs for my other GMs. Sadly, that means I dont get to play any :(


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"objectively better..." :)

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bookrat wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

I haven't checked it too closely, but my back-of-the-envelope calculation is that the guy with -4 will equal or exceed the guy with +5 16.5% of the time (presuming all other modifiers are the same for each).

That's not really indicative of "moron vs genius".

For what DC? Once you get in to negative modifiers, without some sort of asistence (proficiency, magic, etc) it's impossible to do a Hard difficulty task without GM adjudication.

This. Rulings over rules means you can play fast and loose with skill checks. Some things a proficient player should just be able to do no check required. Some things a non-proficent low attribute score player should simply not be able to do, denied a check.

I get that some folks wont jive with that. Some need the game rules to be able to represent any scenario like a simulation. A rulings over rules player will just give a Hercules PC a belt of giant strength allowing them to be over the Str cap. Or alternatively they will allow that character to exceed the cap because of story reasons. They work around the system when they need to. This doesnt work for some folks who need solid written mechanical representation. In that case, folks might want to stick with a 3.5/PF type game. YMMV

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Redbeard the Scruffy wrote:
Have you tried putting them on pause after one of the books, storing the characters, and then finishing later while another GM runs substitute games?

Yes to disastrous effect....Once we stop, even if the GM says "just a break" it means campaign over :(

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I guess I should just be happy my groups meet consistently, on time, and everyone gets along for many years. I just get tired of unfinished campaigns and dont want to have to finish them myself as GM every damn time. UGH!

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Taking characters from level 1-15 in a narrow but detailed adventure is nearly impossible. Yet again another member from one of my groups wants to hang up the GM towel from burnout half way into an AP. Im not sure if Im a good GM or just damn stubborn enough to plow through one. All I really know is that im tired of APs dying on the vine and not getting finished. :(


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but when will then be now?

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y'all game with some lunatics.

I got one for out of game. I threw together a game of half my friends have a guy I recently met. As everyone arrives a few of us crack a beer. One of the guys I dont know says, "wait wait this isnt going to be drunken D&D is it? I dont want to play in that type of game." We tell him that no its a few beers adult type of game. His fears are quieted for the time being.

Well a few hours later he has polished off near a 12 pack and is pretty drunk. One of my friends a female player playing a female character casts charm person. The "oh no drunken D&D" guy starts hollering that she uses her huge breasts to charm. Well she was right creeped out and the game session ended with this guy passed out on the front lawn. Only session we played together and now that lady has sworn off gaming. :(


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Hate the game, not the playa

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Hmm if you truly wanted the Tengu to be unique I was going to say an owlbear construction gone wrong. Though it sounds like you found an answer to your setting.

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P.K. Dick


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Posting this made me hungry. munch....munch.....

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Hmm I was enthralled with my options early in the game with Eve. Scanning in deep space and hoping not to get caught was a blast. Then doing it in worm holes got even better. The constant threat was so exciting. Eventually, I got better and better and the threat dissipated. I moved on to working in a corp. later on into crafting. At the point of doing excel spreadsheets in my free time I decided to stop Eve and MMOs altogether. Ill always look back fondly though its the only one that held my attention. I ran DDO for a long time but that was due to great friends more than the game.

Back on topic, I still like my Birthright idea. Also, the mentioned killing lowbies doesnt net much reward so the focus is on the big fish. Id give it a whirl if i wasnt in a kick ass BR campaign right now :)

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I see another SB ass beating in P-Mann's future

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Heya folks Tea Source is redesigning their website. The good tea folks are offering free shipping on all orders until end of tomorrow 1/21, Sorry for the short notice but get y'all some tea!

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Thats a lot of missed perception rolls....

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
On a mostly unrelated note, I always thought Darth Vader getting into his little spaceship to help shoot stuff was silly as hell. Even as a kid. It kind of made him seem a lot less menacing to me.

I had the opposite reaction. When the x-wing pilots are like "hey the batteries stopped firing what gives?" Then vader is like, "watch my back i'll take care of this myself" then proceeds to down fighters like nobodies business. /badass

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My heart is in the basement, my weekends at an all time low....

Just finished ten hours of Bowie. Blackstar is haunting...


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Back in my day, if you had to make an edit you had to use white out. We called it manual correct. No respect I tell ya...

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Tea source! I recently tried citrus frost and it comes with little marshmallows so you dont need sweetner!

Oh by the way, this was my x-mas gift from the GF.

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Dolph Lundgrens The punisher

Why its bad? Ultra-violent 80's action flick with all that comes with it. Very dated.

Why I like it? One of very few Punisher attempts that feels right. Classic 80's action flick with all that entails.

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Too much witwicky and not enough robot fighting

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In the OP there is mention that the media "hates" Trump and I believe the exact opposite is true. The media love to sensationalize and Trump does all the work for them. Seriously, think of any other person you believe the media to focus on negatively for a moment. Most stories require a real stretch to be spun negatively, often taking quotes out of context to do so. Not with Trumpy, they can pretty much print whatever he says and it gets tons of views. The best part is he doubles down on a lot of terrible quotes making the stories all that much more sweeter. Say what you will about Trumpy but the guy is one hell of a circus ringleader.

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Jack Reacher

Why it's bad? A police procedural meets action flick. Television is packed with Jack Reacher-ish programming. Jack Reacher described differently than Tom Cruise in source material. Everyone on the planet hates Tom Cruise.

Why I like it? I am a sucker for detectives, sheriffs, and secret agents. Some of my favorite childhood memories are watching Westerns, James Bond, and Columbo films with my Gran. Jack Reacher had elements of all of these but was down to earth. There were no super powers, impossible stunts, or cheesy effects. Just an interesting mystery and some extraordinary events. Tom Cruise was baller in it to.

Special note#1 I cant stand the mission impossible movies. Super boring and repetitive to me.

Special note#2 I get that in the books Jack Reacher is really a black guy bigger than Micheal Clark Duncan was, and twice as smart as Sherlock Holmes, but I didnt read it; so I dont care.

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The Cube

Why its bad? Incredibly ham fisted acting plus borders on torture porn.

Why I like it? The mystique of both the cube and the characters amnesia is incredibly interesting. Also, wondering what the next death trap rooms contraption will be is tantalizing; Such a guilty pleasure! Sequels are not as good though.

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Rynjin wrote:

It's kinda like Daredevil, very slow burn approach. Jessica Jones takes off a hell of a lot quicker though.

Not sure the premise is nearly common enough to be a cliche though, much less a pile of them. If you're talking about the noir aspects (hard drinking, broken detective and such), that's basically the genre, not really a cliche. That'd be like saying "Magic exists" is a Fantasy cliche.

I loved DD and slow burn is not an issue for me.

Actually, I would disagree that a hard drinking private detective with a "screw the world" attitude is genre for noir. Thats like saying any fantasy without a copy of Gandolf isnt genre. Any fantasy or noir can include such aspects, but it doesn't eliminate them if they have say, a successful together insurance investigator, or a magician who isnt old and wise. Mages and detectives are not cliche, just some of the ways they are portrayed are.

I think most of my problem with the show is Jessica herself. I just dont find her sympathetic or appealing. Also, (im sure ill get ridiculed for this) I dont think Ritter is a very good actor. So I guess my problem is more with the character and actor than the setting. I am pleased to hear Killgrave is a big part of the show! However, if Killgrave is defeated or killed it would probably end the show for me, as I have little interest in JJ and her story. I'll probably move this to the bottom of my queue for a showhole day.

Thanks again folks.

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I will start by saying I only read about half the thread. Hoping for a few folks to sound off for me about my experience. The GF and I watched the first two episodes and I guess there must be something wrong with me. I thought it was a really boring pile of cliches. I dont read comics so ill admit I didnt know what to expect from JJ. The only thing we found really interesting was Killgrave.

With that said, should I just forget about this show at this point since its clearly not making an impression? Does it get better? Is there enough Killgrave to make continuing worth it? Not looking for spoilers just some advice based on my experience so far.

Thanks folks.

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The Blood of Heroes a.k.a salute to the jugger

why it's bad? Have you ever heard of it? I am guessing you havent. Its not a great budget and its pretty dated.

Why it's good? Well I was into post apocalypse films before post apocalypse films were cool. Its got Rutger Hauer and any film is instantly better with Rutger in it. Also, a young post gomer pile Vincent
D'onofrio. There is even an actual sport ongoing created from the film called Jugger.

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My advice is ditch the books and go digital it will save space and weight. That way an over one shoulder bag is perfect. Unlike Iron Truth, I'm going to advise some more economical choices like this or that. Though the bags IT recommends are great if you got the budget.

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Plum wine is delicious, but adding plum to any type of beer sounds unappealing.

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I was hoping for Dillahunt. Should be fine I guess.

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You mean you dont just bring screaming babies to the theater or toddlers to R rated films? What is this....I dont even...

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I want to see Captain Nog.

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Krensky wrote:


CBS really should just suck it up and sign on with the Hulu partnership or Amazon.

Yeap, this is the only way i'm seeing the new series. Not paying for CBS, certainly not for a single program.

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I really appreciate the trailer being visually pleasing without giving me the cliff notes on the films plot. I wasnt terribly interested, and neither was my GF, before, but the trailer looked good enough to give this a go. Probably not immediately but soon after release.

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whew good thing im exclusively loose leaf!

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