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Homebrew and bourbon mostly. On occasion we get pizza or chinese food.

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Thats some imagination there I guess.

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How about the answer to every situation is ultraviloence guy? You know the type that goes into a tavern and if a patron bumps him he draws his weapon and runs him through. Just walks around looking for fights at the slightest provocation and always overacts to the situation. Good times....not really but you catch my drift.

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Carrion Hill and Wake of the watcher would team up nicely. I also really enjoyed souls of smugglers shiv which if you are going for a sandbox feel is my vote for number 1. Bonus since the rest of serpent skull is not very good.

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I had not been doing any TTRPG for several years after my hooplehead friends wore me out. I was playing MMOs at the time and it wasnt very satisfying. To spare myself the headache of playing with my friends again, I decided to try out meetup and PFS. Good choice met some cool people and got back into TTRPG where I belong.

After awhile I met some good folks and we decided to try out an AP. First I heard of them but I was down. CotCT was my first foray into the adventure paths. It was too bad our CotCT bombed out and had to make some readjustment. Got back into it with Kingmaker. Finished Kingmaker and moved into Serpent Skull. Serpent skull fell apart because of GM burnout. I am stepping in soon and running Mummy Mask.

Since starting my first group I got tagged for a second group. I ran Carrion Crown from start to finish 2.5 years. Now I have rotated out and am playing in Jade Regent. When JR completes I'll be taking over again for Iron Gods.

I think the thing that hooked us was having a nice campaign outline. The APs ending around level 14 was a feature becasue we dont like high level play much. The players guides are much appreciated since they really help with chargen.

My AP journey so far.

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I want Pannekoeken!

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I wrote this long thing up about why I prefer gritty lower level games but it got gobbled :( Basically I cant relate to high powered beings and prefer closer to life PCs. I read stories like Game of Thrones and Pillars of Earth and wish I was playing a character in that type of story. I read lord of the rings and comics and they are a nice light hearted fantasy escape but dont engage me. YMMV.

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Sometimes your best friends make the worst players. Prepare to eject problem player. If he is a good friend he will get over it.

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Magic items are not really all that interesting or special in PF/3E. I tend to just give up on story elements of items and just let the PCs buy what they want. I focus my energy on the plot and NPCs and the adventure. I found its just too much work for too little payout.

The one thing thats got me itching to try out 5E is the seperation of magic items from the system that sounds lovely!

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TTRPG community is too small to sustain several games that cater to vastly different playstyles. So every discussion is a fight to the death to get the game tailored specifically to personal tastes for one camp or the next.

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I would be annoyed as a player by this. The whole sceanario assumes that casting colorspray is the only option available. In character as the fighter type i'd have some serious trust issues with the caster going forward. Yes the caster diabled two combantants but also disabled the fighter to do it. That could have gone awry with the fighter down and the combtants on their feet and swinging. Would you trust a caster who plays fast and loose with the lives of their compatriots?

Of course I imagine this wasnt a two person party so some context is missing. Why didnt anyone wake the fighter up?

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I think there are more ways to have fun with this than suprise love childs and giving PCs VD. How about PCs wander into an unknown town. Rico Suave the fighter does his usual routine and goes looking for tail at the tavern. Rico flirts with a local gal (lets call her sarah) and takes her to the inn for the night.

Flash forward the PCs are invited to the Mayor/Baron/some rich well to do's place for diner/ball/adventure request. While there, sarah is also there, but is really (lets say Shayla) the well to do's daugther/wife/what have you. The other PCs can get a chance to recongize shayla as sarah from the tavern (perception/sense motive) but Rico definitely knows its her. You can take it from here.

This to me seems like a lot more fun. Especially, since curing dieases is so easy. You can do alot better than filth taint fever.

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No need PF is backwards compatible you already have the warlock.

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Well forgettable realms is the core setting they are running with so your ultimate favorite already got brought.

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thegreenteagamer wrote:
Personally if I wanted weird west I'd be playing Deadlands.

This. I use PF for fantasy and if I feel like a different genre I tend to use different systems. My experience leads me to believe D&D/PF is not a one size fits all system. Of course you can try and lots of people suceed but for me I like variety and prefer it over smashing PF/D&D into every mold. YMMV.

If I do restrict a class its usually because I find it to be problematic mechanically at the table. The list is pretty small.

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Eventually folks will catch wind of some guy running around with corpses all the time and send a paladin after him I would think.

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Thats not how I interpret apearance. Its not pure physical attractiveness otherwise you wouldnt be scared of cthulhu you'd want to hump him. It's about how the individual carries themself. Through your appearance you are more noticable and therefore can effect those around you better because of it. You could have a scarred face pirate captain who is fugly but he uses his ugliness to intimidate people thus explaining his Cha bonus. If your body is changed through various means, you would adapt the way in which you use your charisma bonus not become more/less ugly.

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Come sit, and listen awhile

One evening as the moons came up and the temple fire was burning
Down the path came a murderhobo hiking and he said boys I'm not turning
I'm headin for a realm that's far away beside the crystal fountains
so join the party and we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright
Where the XP grows on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the laws are all empty and you would kill the sheriff anyway
On the swords and the boards and the barmaid hoards
Where hostages get saved after we been paid
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the guards have wooden legs
And the monsters all have rubber teeth and the barkeeps handover their kegs
The farmer's barns are full of loot, if they say no feel free to slay
Oh, I'm not bound to go where there ain't no gold
where those townsfolk should have killed us the truth be told
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never worry about locks
and if folks are home you just run them through there’s no time for talks
the paladins have to tip their helms and all the lawful good are blind
If the party knew I’d kill them too
bury the dead without their gear is the thing to do
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, dungeons are made of tin
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
so I'm a goin to stay where you flay all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented role-play
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I'll see you all next Monty Haul in the Big Rock Candy Mountains

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Kenjishinomouri wrote:

WE NEED EBERRON, DRAGONLANCE, FORGOTTEN REALMS, GHOSTWALK, RAVENLOFT.....

Who is we? Do you have a turd in your pocket?

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Burping quietly away next to me is the porter I put down this weekend. In a few weeks it will be time to add the American oak medium toast cubes soaked in Eagle Rare bourbon. This baby is probably about 6 months from the table but when its ready its divine.

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This didn't happen to me but a close friend of mine. He was starting up a new game and advertised for it since he needed a few players to round out the party. He sends out a detailed email explaining chargen, the AP he was using, a couple of his house rules, and a few things he bans from his games.

One of the join ups sends a forwarded response asking questions about everything covered in the email. "What stat generation? Which AP are we going for?" /facepalm Then he begins to describe his characters background story and it was like 1500 words im not kidding. It was all kinds of weird things like, "dancing bear trainer, canoe maker, and ginseng smuggler." Thats just the things I remember. We had a good laugh about how the character would be like 900 years old to have all these experiences.

The he got down to mechanics and was like "I'm thinking ranger then into sorc, and then gunslinger for my first three levels. I am thinking witch for level 4. "Oh my race is human but I have orc blood too so im a human and half-orc." I told my friend to uninvite this guy asap! He was a trooper though and considered his enthusiasm as a good thing.

Fast forward about a dozen sessions and they finally had a falling out. Guy actively worked to derail every plot. When the party faced a difficult situation or foe, guy just wanted to quit the quest and just farm beets and raise chickens. He was finally asked to leave.


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Kids, really, its fine as long as you use point buy.

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Calybos1 wrote:

I hear that many viewers were shocked and offended by the presence of--brace for it--kissing being depicted on the show. "Grossly sexual and unsuitable for family viewing" was one typical complaint.

'Cuz, y'know, cooties.

Oh you should have heard them when Captain Jack was on the show.


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Shhhhhhhh just play you fools!!!!

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I dont use XP anymore and am not a big fan of differing levels in the party. That said, this is probably close to end of being able to have a PC start at level 1 otherwise they are probably going to get wiped out right from the start. Adventuring around with that handicap often is going to be super annoying. Is this how it will be going forward or is this a one time arrangment?

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For me the AP is an adventure campaign outline. I just dont have the time and energy to plan a full blown campaign. I do make my own edits and changes as I feel neccesary. Its nice to have a skeleton to work with. My players love them too becuase APs have a theme and the players guide allows them to buy into the adventure. I rotate duties so I only purchase APs I plan to run at somepoint. I dont want to spoil them if I end up a player.

So far the APs are great but none of them have been perfect. I dont have an out of the box mindset when I purchase an AP. I fully expect to have to do a little work to make it right for me and mine. The APs are excellent reading material and the bestiaries make them useful even after you have run them for future ideas.

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Bill Dunn wrote:

I think 5e will compete pretty strongly with PF simply for the fact that it is D&D. That brand means a lot. Just look at the edition wars - what's that all about? At it's most fundamental level, It's about being D&D players. Why else would people go to such effort to criticize 4e or backlash against those criticisms? Why else would people cling to their favorite sacred cows/sacred cow hamburger? It's because they want to be D&D players (or still be D&D players) and have the currently supported edition be an edition they can identify themselves as D&D players with.

That's going to be pretty stiff competition.

The real reason is that D&D was the one game that rules them all. Its the most popular game out there with the most support. The difference bewteen D&D and other games could fill the grand canyon. Now some folks like variety or are willing to put forth the effort to play a less popular game and make up for lack of support. Though really the D&D path has so much less resistance its remarkable. So the fight is on to make D&D each persons ideal TTRPG so they get both the access to a pool of avilable and willing players and on going support. Paizo shook this up a bit but its still a tiny market so the fight rages on. This round I believe will be all about support. Can 5E bring the adventures and rule support? If so I think it will compete well. If they dont it will taper off. Im hoping it raises the bar and paizo matches them toe for toe. Having one king in the industry is no good, IMO.

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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Under A Bleeding Sun wrote:
I will say, I know several people who won't come to the boards anymore, though it had nothing to do with the playtest. Its because they perceive (whether right or wrong is another discussion) that many people on these boards are jerks.
I don't know how many potential customers gave up on PF due to play test civility, or lack thereof, but I do know that other 3.x forums like ENworld, GitP, and Brilliant Gameologists have quite a bit of negative PF sentiment. "The so-called 'play test' was a brilliant free-PR stunt" and "PF is just different enough to be a pain in the ass, but not different enough to be worth buying" are a couple of the milder criticisms I've seen.

Playtests must be rough on companies. I have seen these same criticisms levied at WOTC with 5E.

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captain yesterday wrote:
its not rules bloating its rules expansion

*Optional rules expansion .

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memorax wrote:
Keep a very tight rein on those who are very vocal who attempt to sabotage the playtest. Permabanning them if need. We don't need another core playtest debacle imo.

So those who diasgree with you are "sabotaging" the playtests and should be permabanned?

memorax wrote:
Posted a thread on rpg.net with link to get more exposure.

Exposure to what?

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Come sit, and listen awhile

One evening as the moons came up and the temple fire was burning
Down the path came a murderhobo hiking and he said boys I'm not turning
I'm headin for a realm that's far away beside the crystal fountains
so join the party and we'll go and see the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains there's a land that's fair and bright
Where the XP grows on bushes and you sleep out every night
Where the laws are all empty and you would kill the sheriff anyway
On the swords and the boards and the barmaid hoards
Where hostages get saved after we been paid
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains all the guards have wooden legs
And the monsters all have rubber teeth and the barkeeps handover their kegs
The farmer's barns are full of loot, if they say no feel free to slay
Oh, I'm not bound to go where there ain't no gold
where those townsfolk should have killed us; truth be told
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never worry about locks
and if they are home you run them through no time for talks
the paladins have to tip their helms and all the lawful good are blind
If the party knew I’d kill them too
bury the dead without their gear is the thing to do
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains, dungeons are made of tin
And you can walk right out again as soon as you are in
There will always be short swords, axes, saws when you need a way
so I'm a goin to stay where you flay all day
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

I'll see you all this Monty Haul in the Big Rock Candy Mountains

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bugleyman wrote:
Pan wrote:
You are right. I think Paizo should take their fan's opinions seriously. As long as those pinons are not "rewrite the system from the ground up or you will go bankrupt".

Don't get me wrong -- I do understand that some of the changes I would personally like to see would probably be unpopular. And I would guess that the safest course of action for Paizo, at least for the time being, is to keep doing what they've been doing, and so that's what I fully expect. I'd still like to see a re-write of the core to make it look a lot more like the beginner box, but I'm not holding my breath. :)

I have read your posts and understand where you are coming from. Ive also seen some of the replies you have recieved so it makes sense you have certain viewpoints of the forum-base. Its great to express opinions and discuss them. It sucks when people try and shut you down or dogpile when they disagree. However, folks from all viewpoints sometimes rely on hyperbole or try and add anecdotal weight to make their opinon seem right. Both how folks express their opinons and how they recieve others should be tempered with reasonable expectations and sincerity. Im probably asking for way too much (:

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memorax wrote:
Pan wrote:


I am noticing a patern with your posting Mem. Just becuase the DEVs dont run with your ideas doesnt mean they are not listening to feedback. Also, when they do listen to folks, whom you happen to disagree with, that doesnt automatically make them a "vocal minority". Who cares about the rogue if you now have "rogue" viable classes? I get that folks are upset because the rogue sucks. Paizo decided to leave the rogue as is for people who play CRB or 3.5 comp only but add optional new classes for the rogues sucks crowd. sounds like win/win to me. Especially, since unchained is going to offer a new rogue. Patience is a virtue. I am pleased that Paizo takes a conservative approach to changing the game. Something folks on the internet rarely want to wait for. /shrug.

I guess you were not here for when they playtested the core. Anyone who tied to post any major changes were chased away by a very vocal minority who wanted no changes. It happened.

Here the thing about feedback if the fans ask and ask for a proper dex to damage feat and they don't deliver why would it look like they listen to feedback. They were told over and over again by some fans not to allow Gunslingers to target touch AC yet in the end they still did. I'm not saying they have to listen to me or others feedback. Just don't ask for feedback if in the end the devs are going to do their own thing.

Then again to me anyway it's just a good PR exercise. Make the fans think their feedback means something then do the opposite. It makes the fans feel good yet the devs do what they want. To be honest they don't have to listen to feedback. They can take it into account when developing new material. Yet at the end of the day they can and will do their own thing. I may not like it. I can respect it.

At this point we are seeing much more levels of frustration from the fanbase. When they still can't find a proper middle ground on developing new things well it can be frustrating. I have never seen the boards being so...

I think you are mistaking fanbase with forum-base. The only people that talk about PF problems at PFS are forum goers IME. The folks that just show up to game are quite happy with PF and its direction. Its possible that you and yours are not, but I urge caution in trying to make a case for the majority. It might just be the case you and Paizo/PF are not a good fit. Though numbers wont lie despite making the same mistakes over and over, PF remains successful and popular.

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memorax wrote:
Odraude wrote:


On the other hand, we got the Slayer and Investigator as actual good skill classes that can contribute more than most martials can.

All any of this proves is that there are examples of good mechanics and bad mechanics that are in Paizo books. Though it's my opinion that editing aside, ACG has a great deal of good options, with a few that admittedly boggle the mind.

Don't get me wrong there are good things. Though with the Investigator we might as well just have a tombstone with the heading Rogue RIP 2014 IMO. No reason to take a Rogue anymore. Slayer is good as well. I just think that in the end feedback is useless IMO. As for better or worse the devs will do their own thing.

I am noticing a patern with your posting Mem. Just becuase the DEVs dont run with your ideas doesnt mean they are not listening to feedback. Also, when they do listen to folks, whom you happen to disagree with, that doesnt automatically make them a "vocal minority". Who cares about the rogue if you now have "rogue" viable classes? I get that folks are upset because the rogue sucks. Paizo decided to leave the rogue as is for people who play CRB or 3.5 comp only but add optional new classes for the rogues sucks crowd. sounds like win/win to me. Especially, since unchained is going to offer a new rogue. Patience is a virtue. I am pleased that Paizo takes a conservative approach to changing the game. Something folks on the internet rarely want to wait for. /shrug.

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The troll class is the worst. The veil ability is always thin and never seems to work. Even the humorist archetype that tries to mask their ire in humor doesn't fix this class. They have zero defense against moderators and force the whole party into a thread lock TPK.

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Odraude wrote:
Pan wrote:
Odraude wrote:

To be fair, the OP doesn't actually say it's bad. In fact, he does say that this is great for other people. What he wants is a separate ruleset for Pathfinder that is simplified.

Other people in this thread, however, have said that.

Luckily, he will get his wish (somewhat) with Pathfinder Unchained, which will have modular add ons that simplify things such as crafting, action economy, and monster creation.

Im not sure why people keep saying PF uncahined is going to be a simplified version of PF. I dont get that at all from what I have read about it. Can someone tell me how exactly PF uncahined is going to provide a separate and simplified versin of PF?
In the product description it mentions a simplified action econom, monster creation, and crafting.

The description also mentions resource pools for all martials, a robust system for casters to modify their spells and oh so much more....

This lead me to believe that while there will be chapters on simplified systems, the book is not about streamlining pathfinder compeltely. While I think the OP will find some of these option interesting, I dont for a second think it will answer his call for a PF lite.

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Odraude wrote:

To be fair, the OP doesn't actually say it's bad. In fact, he does say that this is great for other people. What he wants is a separate ruleset for Pathfinder that is simplified.

Other people in this thread, however, have said that.

Luckily, he will get his wish (somewhat) with Pathfinder Unchained, which will have modular add ons that simplify things such as crafting, action economy, and monster creation.

Im not sure why people keep saying PF uncahined is going to be a simplified version of PF. I dont get that at all from what I have read about it. Can someone tell me how exactly PF uncahined is going to provide a separate and simplified versin of PF?

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Full on Dark Tapestry occult AP please.

pennywit wrote:
World War G. A diplomacy and intrigue adventure, spanning the whole of the Inner Sea. Players would begin as minor aides to diplomats from the Inner Sea nations, then generals, and eventually decide the fate of the world at the negotiating table.

Yeah I'd sign up for that.

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Why cant you streamline PF yourself? Why do you need a book with "PF Streamline" on the cover? I'm sorry I answered your question with a question. There are two reasons why folks don't agree with a side by side streamlined product. The first as I mentioned is done really easily without much effort on your own. The second, if you have PF and PF lite then products need to be made for two separate product lines. That means splitting resources which also means less products for both types of customer. Finally, a split of fan base is like suicide in this industry presently and were not sure that Paizo can navigate those treacherous waters.

Would you be happy with a single book of PF streamlined? I could see this happening but I'm not sure I can see a separate product line. Adventures could start with a streamline base and then pile on the options for others. This approach though eats up word count and I think adventure product would suffer. Not sure Paizo can feed two similar yet different RPG product lines. Could you live with a one and done? That's all I see in the future. I could certainly be wrong.

Or what MMCJawa said.

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Aranna wrote:

Actually as far as the police vs gun carrying is concerned I don't think it's race at all. I am fully licensed to carry a handgun and I was driving across the state to meet some friends and admittedly I was speeding because I was a little late. A small town cop pulled me over and I turned over my gun license along with my usual papers as is required by law. And the cop freaked out. I swear he had me on the ground at gun point he then removed my weapon and unloaded it before searching my car without a warrant. I was crying by that point thinking he was going to take me to prison or something. And after about 20 to 30 minutes of pure terror he finally wrote me a C/I for disobeying an officer even though I fully complied and then let me go after a long angry lecture about having a loaded weapon... I was going to point out to him that as a licensed CPL holder I had every right to carry a loaded gun. But I was terrified by that point and did everything he asked. I am a white girl with a fully legal permit to carry. I think cops just treat everyone who owns a gun outside of the police as public enemy number one... and combine that with the stupidity of some cops and you have a truly terrifying mix.

Slight derail but this happened to me as also. I was at a GFs townhouse one night. It was late like 3am we were watching movies. She recalled she had something she was waiting for in the mail and asked me to get it. The good guy that I am I head out to her mail post which is a few driveway lengths away from her townhouse. I grab the mail and start heading back.

Lights suddenly surround me and a car revs up next to me. Cop gets out with flashlight in my face asking me what I am doing. I told him I was getting my GFs mail and if there was something I could help him with. Cop says vandals are in the area and needs to see my ID. I tell him that I can do that for him but I wanted to let him know I have a carry permit and was holding.

"HE'S GOT A GUN!!" Cop screams out as he draws his pistol and aims at me. The other cop leaps out of the squad and starts screaming. It would be comical to witness two adult men screaming at a docile white guy if they were not pointing loaded weapons at me. So I get slammed against the cop cruiser and the cop throws my wallet on the driveway and then takes my revolver. He opens the cylinder and empties the bullets out. I try and tell him that "I have a permit its in the wallet I havent been drinking and ive done nothing wrong." Cop continually yells at me to shut up.

At this point my Gf comes out and is asking what is going on. She gets told to GTFB in her house. She tells the cop that im her BF and wants to know whats going on. The cop then says "we will let him go in a moment please get back in your hosue" which she does. Cop lets me up hands me my wallet and says "allright you are free to go." I look at him more pissed then I have ever looked at anyone and was like "GUN" as I held my hand out. He gave my my revolver back. I stared at him for what felt like a million years and then yelled out "BULLETS" he then gave me my bullets back. I went back in the house and joined my GF.

So yeah cops tend to not like anyone but them to have guns.

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Actually my favorite moment is

spoiler:
When Batista's character was confessing his friendship to the group. Then Nebula jumps out and says a bunch of figthing words and batista's character blasts her away. "Nobody talks to my friends like that." I have to admit when I first saw the big Jamoke I didnt think he would be anything but the stoic strong guy. Batista did a great job with his lines and added a lot to this movie.

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Bottled my EPA yesterday and brewed up a porter which is in primary to ferment. I'll add french oak soaked in Eagle Rare Bourbon to the secodnary. Probably sit on this for about 6 months before cracking the bottles. Last time I jumped it a bit early and it didnt quite settle yet, but once it had, oh man....

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Nice video. That man is a saint for running a game for a pack of boys at that age. I wouldn't have the patience. Glad to see everyone got along so well.

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/not signed
With the PRD and age of the interent I will never be ready for PF2. I hope they never make one and just keep doing what they are doing. At this point all I needs me is some AP goodness.

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Some people like vanilla and hate sprinkles. There are a lot of problems people have with the system that I dont like; 15 min work day, vancian casting, alignment, LF;QW. Just because I dont have a problem becuase I use rules, as you say to get over those issues, doesnt mean that the problem is soley on them. I used to think if everyone just played like me they wouldnt have any problems with balance or whatever. The E-war taught me there are more than one playstyle out there. So yes technically "we are the problem" the solution is far more complicated though. If you force the rules than some folks have to play a way they dont want to. If you change them then I cant play the way I want to. So here we are.

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So there may not be CRPG info this very second, but it sounds hopefull to get some in the near future. Can we stop dumping on Obsidian, e-card games, and kickstarter and maybe start talking about what we would like in a CRPG?

Do y'all think using an AP would be a good way to go?

If not what would your favored approach be?

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I would say no. "a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."

"Good characters and creatures protect innocent life. Evil characters and creatures debase or destroy innocent life, whether for fun or profit.

Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others."

Of course all these things I guess are up to personal interpretation, but I dont think one can be a sociopath and good. That doesnt mean a sociopaths actions cant result in good ends, but ultimately I wouldnt consider them good for alignment purposes.

Taldor

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What about a street fighter style beat em up starring the iconics? :)

Taldor

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Oh man do try the search function first.

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The conversion is not much work at all. In fact, you would spend less energy covnerting the APs then petitioning for revised copies.

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