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Good! I'm crossing all my fingers here in hopes that this book does martial characters justice. Unchained was a great step in the right direction (especially for monks), so I'm really hoping this works out.

Step 1: Make sure your DM either doesn't enforce the Favored Location requirement, is very loose with what qualifies as an FL, or has a good house rule (like not requiring FL's to channel the spirit you want, but if you do channel in an FL that spirit gives you more power).

Step 2: pick 2 areas/spirits you'll use most of the time. This could be melee/skill monkey, spells/range, melee/social, spells/skill monkey, etc.

Step 3: Beg your DM to let you have the bard/mesmerist/spiritualist spells known/per day, instead of the normal medium's spell progression. Its just terrible, as is. For 5th and 6th level spells, I use the spiritualist spell list. Archmage's spirit bonus will need to be changed, but that's fine.


I'd say The Skinsaw Murders should get an honorable mention, at least. If you play the encounter with [redacted] right, that should be incredibly disturbing to the players.

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I don't get why people were mad over the cover mistake, I thought it was funny. Now its like we have collector's items or something.

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My dice are ready! For real, I can't wait to play this adventure. The deities of Hell all have so much potential that goes untapped in most games (even as a DM) and PC's who aren't terribly devout will be a blast. I'm thinking of playing:

-A cleric of Baalzebul (Air/Devil domains) who is petty, envious, and seeks glory for himself (because he's so insecure). Probably would take levels in diabolist, but I'm not sure.

-A crossbowman fighter in the Chelish military who believes the hierarchy of society is required for civilization to exist (possibly Order of the Chain hellknight?). Kinda like Gran Moff Tarquin.

-NE half-orc bloodrager or sorcerer with the black dragon bloodline. Wants to get into Thrune's good graces and rule.

-Bard/cleric of Asmodeus (fire/devil domains) that is part of the Hellfire Celebrants, worshipers of Asmodeus who often form the choir in temples and glorify the burning flames of the Pit.

-Summoner who follows Mephistopheles. Both the summoner and his devilish eidolon are talented barristers and contract creators/enforcers.

So the mesmerist class looks pretty simple, in terms of how it works and what optimal ways to build it are. It works EXTREMELY well with rogue, since you can pick up Improve Feint without needing Combat Expertise, so I'm sure there will be plenty of multi-classing there.

For pure mesmerists though, it looks like you'll have many of the same builds as a bard. Prioritizing Charisma, Con, and Dex are always going to be good for you, so its just a matter of deciding how much melee/ranged combat you'll be doing. Doesn't look like the class gives you many ranged options, but an elf or half-elf could start out with a longbow from level 1.

I dunno, I'm just spit-balling as I fall asleep. What do you think? I kinda want to make a NG mesmerist who works with the mentally insane to help understand and heal their fractured minds.

Sweet, I can't wait to play one! This is the psychic class I've been the most excited about since I learned about it. I want to play a mesmerist who is trying REALLY hard to be a good person, but knows that he's very skilled at undermining people's free will and the temptation to abuse his power is strong.

Berselius wrote:
Wait, so we can't use the stare on multiple foes? Nerts. Is there a feat that will let us do it?

I certainly hope so. Wouldn't be surprised if they made it into a Mesmerist Trick that's only available once you're mid-high level. Other than that, I like the changes they've made. :)

Halflings of Golarion has some fantastic sling-feats, you should really check them out.

Nicely done, I like the connection to Lem. Part of me wanted to see a good-aligned mesmerist, since the class's focus on enchantment lends itself to evil (depending on your philosophy), but I really dig Meligaster.

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zergtitan wrote:

I would love to see an image of Estra hitting one of the other Iconics on the head with her cane. :)

"Behave yourself young man!"

Weapon Focus (knitting needles)

See, now I'm just thinking of Frau Totenkinder. *shivers in fear*

I appreciate the temporary cover with shirtless Valeros. We need more shirtless heroes. ;)

Hellknights of the Torrent? Color me interested. I'm thinking they're the naval order?

So who else is trying to figure out what those maps are in the last picture? I wanted to say Korvosa or something from Curse of the Crimson Throne, but I don't thinks that's Queen Ileosa.

Woohoo! I'm so ready for this adventure. I think I'll name my revolutionary group "Children of Kintargo", just to spite the haters. :P

For real though, I'm super-excited. May as well get the "What are you playing?" ball rolling.

-LG Cleric of Olheon, empyreal lord of deservedness, nobility, rulership, who wants to redeem House Thrune

-Crossbowman fighter and deserter from the Chelish military, left after realizing the Chelish people have become "the enemy"

-Witch who worships Winlas (empyreal lord of religious ceremony, ritual, and service) and has the Wisdom patron, wants to establish religious equality to Cheliax

-CN Sorcerer/merchant who wants more economic freedom than is currently allowed

-NG Mastermind investigator and revolutionary who feels conflicted about manipulating people

-Monk and/or Sacred Fist warpriest of Irori who was arrested and learned his class in prison from an older Iroran who was put to death after teaching him for trying to teach people that they can improve themselves and their lot in life.

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-I think I'll go for Irori, actually. Self-improvement is his main schtick and Asmodeus/House Thrune are 100% not okay with that. You're born into your life and don't you dare hope for anything better. I can see Irorans having a big problem with that. I know there's an order of Iroran archivists who try to preserve Chelish history from Thrune's editing/falsifying.

-A Calistria that starts working against the empire could say "Why the Hell not?" and play it off like they're just in the rebellion for kicks, but at heart is a passionate believer in freedom. Could work for Gorum or Cayden Cailean as well.

-Mystery cultist of Olheon (Good/Nobility domains) who wants to redeem Abrogail. "I know that you're better than they think you are. I know you're better than *you* think you are. Let's show them, together."

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Some of the more LN worshippers of ZK may only share pain with wiling follower. I could see this Kuthite saying "They must accept that pain is the truth of this world, or they will not understand our ways." In non-Nidal regions they may adopt a similar mentality, so they don't get in trouble with the local governments, similar to the churches of Asmodeus and Urgathoa.

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Steel_Wind wrote:

Council of Thieves was always a stronger AP than it was made out to be. The title of the AP was the worst thing about it, as it engendered an expectation in players that the AP itself did not deliver on. Shadows over Westcrown might have been a better title.

This seems more in keeping with a true sequel to the real plot of Council of Thieves. And in the sense that #100 is a sequel to the beginning of the Pathfinderized portion of Pathfinder AP, I'm good with that.

I do wish that it was more to do with Molthune, but I see this as more of a northern independence movement that if successful, will have no real impact upon Cheliax itself. La plus ca change... I get the necessity, but, doesn't mean I have to like that aspect of it.

I always call it "Children of Westcrown." Its thematic and your players will think its (only) about their rebel alliance/neighborhood watch.

nighttree wrote:

My suggestion doesn't fit your request :(

But I would buy any book that had an updated version and art for the Unilla/Cabal Devil on that point alone :P

I am 100% ok with this. We got some great new devils in Council of Thieves and the Cabal devils are my favorite. The red skinned assassin devils are great too.

If you want a good look at what its like to be alive in North Korea, check this out:

A lot of your effectiveness as a PoR (in an RP sense) depends on your DM and players not metagaming. Most people don't know that Razmiran isn't a real god. Why would they? When you think of how uncommon even level 1 spellcasters are, divine or arcane, why would your average commoner, expert, or adept have any reason to doubt that this masked guy who healed their broken leg doesn't worship a true deity?

If we get more titans, we'll need more demodands.

1. Clerics can't take inquisitions, those are for inquisitors only.

2. If you want more fire spells, take the Fire domain and prepare multiple Burning Hands.

3. If you want to be a blaster/summoner you'll want to crank up your Wisdom and Charisma pretty high. Wisdom will help with your spell DC's and Charisma will help when you're doing more powerful summons later on. Spell Focus: Conjuration and Augment summoning are highly recommended as well.

4. Consider going for the Diabolist prestige class, as the themes of that class and your character concept coincide quite nicely. Link:

5. Use metamagic feats to increase the versatility of your blast spells.

-A friendly, loyal, and helpful bard who is absolutely ruthless in his pursuit of treasure. Possible Aspis Consortium member, he'll have a very well trained dog as a pet that comes adventuring.

-Summoner who is part of snake cult of some kind. Starts out in poverty because his cult recently got killed by adventurers, not because they were evil, just because they had loot and the adventurers were dicks.

-A young falconer who serves the current pharaoh. He's very young, pretty shy, but is pure of heart and adores his king. (Could also work for Carrion Crown)

-Arcanist who's parents own an antiquities store. He spent most of his youth working with magical items and old relics, so when his magical talents started to manifest he thought it was just the wondrous items activating.

Looks like you have a good build so far. What deity do you plan on worshiping? Shelyn gives you access to the glaive, one of the better reach weapons, but if you have levels of fighter you have a lot of options.

ciretose wrote:

This is a good feat to have for that concept.

Possibly more than once.


Kollanti wrote:

It is tough to be a versatile fighter when min/maxing and specializing in one form of attack often proves to be very effective.

I like your character concept, reminds me a lot of reach fighters I made in the past.

I can see that happening with numbers, but I think the versatility will pay off in the end. How often as a fighter do you have to say "Woops, I didn't make an archer and I can't fly, guess I'll just watch the ranger and sorcerer fight the harpy."? Or "Man, I really wish I could get past this dragon's DR, but I'm a two-weapon fighter, that's not my build."?

I see the regular fighter as a true weapon master, who can excel with any type of armament in any situation. Will I be as good as a dedicated archer? Nope, but I can hold my own at range and still go into the front lines. Will I get as many hits in as a pure reach build or a two weapon fighting build? No, probably not, but I can still get some huge hits in with my two-handed weapon (lucerne hammer right now).

If I need to boost my attack scores, I can always get Weapon Focus with any toys I've come to like. I think I'll be holding onto that lucerne hammer and the chakram at least, so they're the top contenders right now.

Sean O'Brien 794 wrote:

Thrown weapons are the key here, I think, especially ones that can be used in melee and range like daggers, star knives, spears, etc. Chakram are good, but you can't melee with them. You can draw one and toss it, toss one you're holding and draw another with Quick Draw, and collect them at the end of the fight. Plus, you save on the money to adjust a composite longbow to your strength.

For real swiss army feel, carry some pila (pilum) when the enemy's got a shield. I'm also a hunga-munga fan, cause you can TWF them in melee and throw them as you please.

Admittedly this may catch up with you in later levels as being a jack of all trades makes you a master of none. You may have to streamline to make it work.

Also, I'd add TWF to shield bash when you sword and board. Spike the shield.

There is the -1 to melee attacks with the chakram and the possibility of damaging yourself, but I personally think that gauntlets should prevent that from ever happening (which Kellan's scale mail provides). I'll talk to my DM about it, he might let this change happen.

In an upcoming Rise of the Runelords adventure I'm going to be playing a human fighter named Kellan. Kellan is going to be a member of the Sandpoint militia and an avid combatant with a variety of weapons, to the point where he's essentially a Swiss Army Fighter.

The idea is to create a fighter who is good with a variety of weapons, so he always has what's needed in a fight. I got the inspiration for his build from Treantmonk's guide to the ranger, where he suggests a switch-hitter build that uses both archery and a two-handed weapon for the main weapons, using Quick Draw to change weapons on the fly depending on what the situation needed. I decided to take it one step further: why just archery and two-handed? Why not archery, reach, and a little sword/board?

Many of you will say that this fighter is going to lack focus and come up short, which is definitely a possibility. However, I think that the fighter has the best chance of making this idea work, since he has the most feats of any class.

Right now I've got Quick Draw, Point Blank Shot, and Power Attack feats. Kellan fights with a lucerne hammer (reach), flail/heavy shield (for defense), longbow (dedicated range) and has three chakram to use for when he needs range on the fly. Threw in a sap as well, since he is a town guard and the people prefer non-lethal damage.

For range Kellan will get Precise Shot, Rapid Shot, and Deadly Aim. For melee he will get Improved Sunder, Combat Reflexes, Step Up, Cleave (trade out later), Disruptive, Shield Focus, and probably Toughness (to make up for Con 12).

What do you think? Is this crazy? Crazy enough to work? Any feat recommendations?

I've made sure to apply it to the enemies as well, so its not really an issue of balance so much as it is an issue of my player getting screwed because she decided to go archery (which is normally a perfectly acceptable build).

I think I'll roll for a d4 for hours of snow every 4 hours in the Border Wood and in Irrisen (winter portal and blizzard on the other side not withstanding, of course).

Interesting that Baba Yaga has a higher CR than Tar Baphon. Still, I suppose she is much more mobile than the Whispering Tyrant and has been around longer.

I've been running The Snows of Summer for the past few weeks, and I have two questions:

1. How much is it actually snowing? I don't think the book says it, but its really starting to screw over my player's ranged inquisitor, which leads me to ask...

2. The rules for snow state that while snow is falling it gives a -4 to all ranged attacks, just like rain. My player's ifrit inquisitor just hit level 2, she has Point Blank Shot, but still gets screwed by the snow anytime she wants to shoot. How do I make her feel like she's not getting completely hosed all the time? In the High Sentinel Lodge she was fine and I had the snow stop for the night when some random encounter wolves showed up, but its prohibitively difficult for archers.

-Paladin of Iomedae who's family has been part of the crusades for a couple generations, but they always have a habit of getting too big for their britches and die/get corrupted because of their pride. Because of this, he seeks true humility. He fights primarily with a spear because he doesn't think he's worthy of a sword (unless smiting evil).

Despite his martial prowess, he doesn't seek advancement in the ranks and actually tries to get others promoted instead. While other crusaders are after glory, revenge, riches, or fame he just wants to serve his goddess. While other crusaders strut about in fine armor, he wears the same as the lowly border guards. He won't come out and say he's the holy sword of the goddess of righteousness, but if asked he won't deny that he took the Oath.

When he finally gets his smite on, his calm, smiling demeanor transforms into one of righteous determination. This is when he embraces his role as the Sword of the Inheritor, letting out a formal challenge to his enemy and fighting with everything he has.

-NG elven oracle of nature who follows the Green Faith and wants to restore nature's place in the Worldwound. Very supportive character, focusing on buffs and melee combat.

-CG Kellid summoner looking for a specific totem that was lost to his people when the Worldwound began. Fights in melee with his eidolon, a stag with lighting antlers. Refers to demons as "tanari."

-An extremely polite, well-dressed, and dutiful Chelish inquisitor of Asmodeus (LN). Didn't have the stomach for the darker aspects of this faith, but his talents were enough for his superiors in Westcrown to send him to the Worldwound where he could carry out his god's will without too many moral dilemmas. Absolutely cruel to all demons and any who side with them, might end up sliding into LE if the campaign allows it. Fights with a mace and longbow.

zimmerwald1915 wrote:
It really is just being book 1. As far as martial ranged attackers (though not necessarily archers) go, Reign of Winter has some real heavy hitters.

Ok, I thought so. Those bandits couldn't do any damage to the cavalier without a crit, which never happened.

Just finished running the third session of Reign of Winter using the alternate armor as DR rules from Ultimate Combat. It seems to be fine so far, the changes themselves are easy and everyone is still having fun, but I do have one concern: ranged weapons seem to be very weakened in this alternate system. Is there a way around this? Are the ranged attacks just weak because its book 1? We just finished up the High Sentinel Lodge, so it could be that lvl 1 warriors aren't a serious threat, but Rohkar's crossbow didn't seem too scary either.

I used 3 frost firs that laid an ambush for the PC's after they rested in the Border Wood for 8 hours. Tomorrow they get some wolves in the night, I'm thinking 4.

I thought I had increased the distance by mistake because its the end of the first day and my players are only at the river crossing, but they stopped to rest for 8 hours because they were low on hp and the druid decided not to prepare Cure Light Wounds (only other healer is the inquisitor).

Thanks guys! Kendra got run out of town with them, she's hanging out with the oracle and rogue currently. If any one has a chance of getting back into town its Kendra, but we'll see if they send her.

I like the idea of the town getting bad enough for the sheriff or father to contact them, might do that.

I also talked about having a certain aristocrat come into town to pay his respects to his old friend, Prof. Lorrimor. A man by the name of Adivion Adrissant...

-Use mind-controlled minions, figure out who the enchanter would pick for their protection

-Enchantment has some good buffs and great debuffs, use these well

-If they're an enchanter wizard they could be a cruel psychologist

Well, my players finally did it. It took them awhile, but they managed to reach 0 Trust Points in Ravengro. I put up warning signs, I gave them options to avoid all this, I explained that all actions have consequences, but they managed to make an entire town of people hostile towards them. After the town hall burned to the ground, there was no way around it. The people grabbed their torches and pitchforks and chased them away into the night.

I've never been so proud.

Now I've got to figure out how to run the rest of the adventure, because we are WAY "off script". Right now the PC's are level 2, in the woods/fields outside of Ravengro, with nothing in their inventory but manacles (attached) and the clothes on their backs. Before the town hall fire, they had been arrested for breaking into Harrowstone, stealing from the Restlands, and some other trouble around town, so all their gear is in the Ravengro jail.

What should I do? If they go back to town to get their stuff, they are almost CERTAIN to get spotted by the townsfolk and the mob will start up again. If they try to finish Harrowstone, they'll be doing so with no gear. If they leave for Lepidstadt, they'll leave Ravengro to die a horrible ghostly death AND be very low leveled.

I'm honestly stumped by this one. I'm not a terribly cruel or hard DM, so I'll try to reasonably accomodate their plans, but this is a pickle. Any advice?

Hooray! I'm so excited for book 6, I've loved every other WotW book so far! Just need to wait until payday. Congrats to Gary and the rest of Fire Mountain Games on finishing it! :D

I've got a few that I'm kicking around.

-Elven abjurer. Lives in Heldren, had a bad experience in his forties with a curse from a hag witch that his body to constantly produce a black bile, causing him to cough constantly. Got cured by a powerful wizard from out of town, who took him on as an apprentice. Since then he's learned how to protect himself and others from magic, especially curses/hexes. Taking the Warded against Witcher trait for him.

-A fighter with the Blood of Giants trait... who's a halfling. At 4' 2" he is the tallest halfling ever seen and uses his considerable girth to protect his fellows from bullies. Gonna specialize in the halfling sling staff, possibly going for the Weapon Master archetype.

-Lazy human fighter (crossbowman archetype), this guy joined the town guard so he wouldn't have to do much work. Focuses on the crossbow because its an easy weapon, just point and shoot. Thankfully, he's a very good shot and doesn't abuse his position. Has a strong sweet tooth and very fair skin, which he credits to his Ulfen ancestry. Going to grumble a lot near the beginning of the adventure, but the more he stays in the snow the more alive he feels!

-Sorcerer (dreamspun bloodline) and Desnan priest (don't know what race) who focuses on dreams, their interpretation, and driving out nightmares. Used to be under the sway of a nighthag, but was saved by an inquisitor of Desna. Now wanders Taldor and Galt, helping those who are plagued by horrors and need help achieving their dreams. Warded against Witchery or Restless Wayfarer trait.

-Half-elf oracle of nature and worshipper of the Green Faith. NG, lives in an orchard just out of town (that's about to get a LOT more snowy), sells the apples, pears, and peaches in town and is genuinely a nice guy. Only problem is I have no idea what trait would work. Could also be a sorcerer with the verdant bloodline.

-Taldan bard/fighter who idolizes the Ulfen Guard (even met one!). Very intrigued by their tales of the frozen north and the magics that exist up there, but is fairly despondent about the impossibility of him ever going there (lol). Uses his natural knack for inspiration and basic illusions to stage "battles" with other young adults in Heldren against the "vile witches of Irrisen". Adaptive Magic trait.

-Paladin of Iomedae who does his best to exemplify humility. Living in Taldor, he sees firsthand how much arrogance and pride can lead to one's downfall. Fights with a simple spear because he doesn't believe he's worthy of a sword.

Hooray! Glad its out, can't wait to play this one.

Regarding the no-spoiler section, I think it was unnecessary. The player's guides never gave anything away that the players SHOULD'T know, and neither does this one. Even very detailed guides, like Carrion Crown and Jade Regent, helped give an idea of what was coming without spoiling anything secret. I'd have rather seen that space filled with information Heldren, what the PC's likely know at the beginning of the adventure, or cold weather survival tips.

I miss the guides that gave information specific to races and classes, those had the best value in my opinion. I'm not going to complain about a free product, especially when they're as good as this, but that format always appealed to me the most.

Still, really excited to see how this one goes, I've been brainstorming characters all day! :D

Can't wait! Not to sound impatient, but do we have an estimated time of arrival for the Player's Guide?

Has anyone ever played or ran a game with only a single player? I've been kicking the idea around for a while now and I find it very interesting. Part of the fun is tailoring the challenges to what the PC can do, which can be a bit tricky if they don't have access to healing.

What do you guys think? What kind of plots/encounters are good for solo adventurers? Any stories?

John Mangrum: Nice, thanks for the advice! I'm probably going to use a few of your changes, maybe switch some of the gnolls for Unchosen. I'll give them 1/2 xp for the desert encounters and put them on the Medium xp track until they're near the end of Jackal's Price.

ThreeEyedSloth wrote:
How much extra have you been adding? I'm going to be starting soon, and I'm considering using Medium advancement as well to allow room for the set pieces and random encounters.

I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but if you stick with the book you should be ok. Just be stingy with those random encounters!

I noticed about 1/2 way through HotB that they were plowing through all the fights, so I gave the Carrion Guards and Initiates a level or two, this was probably my biggest mistake.

I'm thinking I can either:

-Level up the fights in Jackal's Price, but keep the xp the same as it would be normally (probably my best option)

-Find a level's worth of fighting/xp to skip (don't really want to do this)

-Level up the fights in Jackal's Price AND give out proper xp (could be fun, but could get a crazy if they're level 15 by book 5)

-Switch them to the Medium XP track (not a bad option, can always switch back to the Fast Track if necessary)

So my PC's just finished The House of the Beast, they have the Scroll of Kakishon, Zayifid and the Carrion King are dead, and they'll be returning to Kelmarane shortly. This is all going swimmingly and they're having a great time. Only problem? They're level 8 and Jackal's Price says they should be starting at level 7. On top of the that, they're only ~13,000 xp away from level 9!

I probably did too many random encounters in book 1 and in the Brazen Peaks, so I'm gonna stick with the written encounters from here on out, but what do I do about them being too high a level? I don't want to take away their xp, that would be stupid and mean.

So what's a DM to do? Do I ignore the first 13,000 xp of book 3? Obviously I'll leave out any random encounters, but how do I stop them from completely bulldozing their way through book 3? Maybe only give them half xp?

Outside of the Verduran Forest in Taldor and the Uskwood druids in Nidal, what other druidic circles have been fleshed out? I know that the Green Faith has some good information and serves as the non-deity "druidic faith", but what else do we know about it? What other druidic circles are out there?

I also think this is a good place to share ideas about different druidic circles. Here are some of mine:

-A halfling circle that focuses on a rare kind of magical white clay. The clay has restorative and healing properties that they use in their rituals and spells.

-Traveling Kellid druids that follow ley-lines from nexus to nexus, erecting monoliths and dolmens to mark these centers of power.

-Desert druids in Thuvia and Rahadoum that guide travelers from oasis to oasis. They are very proud of their skills and offerings of fine gifts are often necessary to secure their services.

Name: Elyssa

Race: Sylph

Classes/levels: Monk of the Four Winds 3

Adventure: Bastards of Erebus

Location: Temple of Bastards, underground tunnel

Catalyst: Charmed barbarian

The Gory Details: My friend Stephen had just made a character to replace the elven alchemist (she had moved to California), a sylph monk with good backstory and build. As the other PC's were already in their infiltration of the temple, I had Elyssa come into the story as a hostage of the Bastards. Not even two fights later, Vethamer (mummy-tiefling) had charmed the barbarian and convinced him to put his battle axe between her ribs.

Check the adventure modules, there are some that start at lvl 6. "From Shore to Sea" starts at level 6, its got a Lovecraft theme that is very well done and should be fine with little prep-time. If you are willing to jump up to 7/down to 5 you have other good options as well.

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