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David Chart wrote:

I have a hypothetical.

I create a book with remaster rules and Golarion lore. Before publishing the book on Infinite, I strip out the rules, and put them on my website under ORC.

It looks as though I can do this. I have the right to put the rules on my website under the ORC. No problem. I have the right to put the rules on Infinite, because that's covered by the Infinite license. (All the rights involved are mine or Paizo's.) The Infinite product is derivative of the website product, which was published first, and the agreement does not prohibit that — it only prohibits publishing derivatives of your Infinite product. (You warrant that no-one else's rights are involved, but that is true. You do not, as far as I can see, have to warrant that no part of the Work has been previously published.)

So, I think this is a mechanism to allow people to ORC their rules, and still publish on Infinite, as long as they have substantial Golarion content as well. It will not allow you to use non-Infinite ORC material (finite ORCs?) on Infinite, but it will at least allow rules to flow out of Infinite.

Do Paizo and Roll20 agree?

Note: You can publish YOUR original work under as many licenses as you wish, the license only applies to that version. EN Publishing's Advanced 5eSRD is published under the OGL, CC-BY, & the OGL.

And as stated up the thread you can reference non-Infinite sources, ala "see xxx reference, sec y" in your Infinite product. Do you could reference your ORC base that you have on DTRPG, or your website.


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Mark Moreland wrote:
OceanshieldwolPF 2.5 wrote:
If I make a whole new RPG, that uses the ORC SRD, then that is ORC, and not needing PCL nor Infinite (as it is neither Pathfinder, nor IP.
If you are making a whole new RPG, you likely don't need to include the ORC in order to use someone else's rules expressions, as it's a brand new creation you own. You can still choose to use the ORC so others can use your copyrighted game in their own products. You are correct that it's neither Pathfinder nor based around our IP, so it's not going to use either the PCL or Infinite license.

I think there's a typo or miss-wording in there Mark. :)

If somebody is using another's rules expression (via the ORC), and not re-wording them to be able to use just the mechanics then your product can only use them via the ORC (or a separate license with the original author). Which means that your product itself has to be licensed under the ORC. :)


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Zaister wrote:
I wonder why is it still called a draft when it is the final version?

It takes about 6 months to get a library of Congress id #.


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Erik Mona wrote:
Here is a direct link to the ORC License Seminar at Gen Con this year. I am not yet certain if the panel will be recorded on video, but we'd love to see you if you are at the show and have questions about the license!

I plan to be there, already got a ticket in the system. :)


Leon Aquilla wrote:
Mongoose?! Oh the irony... they're so tight-fisted with the Traveller rules. I have to use Cepheus on FoundryVTT :(

How about Fantasy Grounds? They have a Traveller license with Mongoose. :)

https://www.fantasygrounds.com/store/?sys=30&pub=-1&typ=-1&sear ch=&sort=1


If you want a quick fix I "believe" there is a bonus you can add under GM Awards, that will let you adjust the numbers somewhat.


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While not expressly called out I thought I'd ask and make sure. Pathfinder 2e is also included in the Approved Product list when it says "Pathfinder Roleplaying Game books"?


According to d20PFSRD and AoN it's in the Reign of Winter AP, specifically #5 (or #71 depending on how you organize).

The only books that we do for AP's are normally the Player's guide and it doesn't seem to be included in there.

If you wanted to jump into our Discord channel, watch some videos, or join our mailing list one of us would help you out. :)


There's an issue with the pdf generation library we are using, it's in the process of being fixed. Output to a html and print that (or print to a pdf if you need it electronically).


Joana wrote:
PCGen has also historically provided online character generation for free, but I don't believe they have P2e available yet.

It's in the alpha stages now. :)


We at PCGen use the Community Use Policy because we are entirely free and volunteer based. The only funds we receive are via the donate button.

If you are going to offer your thing freely with nothing more than perhaps a donate or patreon, or ad revenue from your site you'd use the CUP. If you have a store (like d20pfsrd) then you have to use the Commercial License.

And they have stated that there either will be a addition to the CUP, or a second version for 2e.


Just a note for those interested. PCGen had to go through some webserver migration issues but our website is back up and running we are currently on 6.08.00RC6, there have been many sourcebooks added in the last year.

Also we do plan on supporting PF2, but since we aren't a legal entity, and only use the CUP (we've been in touch with Glenn on this). We don't qualify for early access so it won't be ready on day one.


Foeclan wrote:
I haven't seen anything to suggest that LWD has an exclusive license as _the_ character generator for Paizo. If someone else thinks there's enough of a market for one, they could theoretically negotiate a license agreement with Paizo to use their IP and support their products, or create one that just uses OGL content. As a bored programmer with too much time on my hands, the thought has occurred to me more than once, but whenever I start to scope the effort involved, I suddenly have better things to do.

Both Rob of LWD and Liz have said the license with Paizo isn't exclusive.


Ed Reppert wrote:
The advantage, for me, to the web model is that it runs on my preferred platform, which PCGen does not. So, btw, does the desktop based HL.

Java runs on all major OS's, what platform that you are running that PCGen can't run on?


<cough> slippery slope </cough>


A team member made the files and uploaded it to the repo, but hadn't made a tracker for it so nobody noticed it. It should be in the next release. :)


Pact worlds just got added with 6.07.09


If something is built for another OS, you will have to use an emulator of some kind.


Ellias Aubec wrote:

I tried PCGen to build. A bard that used some stuff not from core. Took ages to work out how to get it to load up the additional options fully (and even then crashed and refused to load several times). One of the archetypes wasn’t working properly (removed light armour proficiency when it shouldn’t have and didn’t did longbow prof).

Would of been good if there was an option to add things in as house ruled stuff (such as forcing longbow proficiency, or adding in stuff that hasn’t been added yet like traits etc).

HeroLab I hated the buy everything route so have never tried it.

If you find things you don't think are implemented correctly file a bug report at jira.pcgen.org


I'll also second PCGen, but then again I'm a bit biased. :)


Ckorik wrote:

I tried PCGen - but the graphics bug (moving the mouse over stuff randomly causes all kinds of graphics corruption until restart) put me off - happens on both my wife and my computers.

I checked to see if this was a thing - and it is - but it doesn't generate errors for the logs so it's a 'never gonna get fixed' type of thing - and so the program is a bit un-usable for me.

This is most likely a graphics problem, are you using a 4k monitor? Try the following.

Right click PCGen app, Select Properties, then Compatibility, then turn on Override High DPI scaling


Yep, download the latest version and give it a whirl.

http://pcgen.org/download/


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Hythlodeus wrote:
on a related note, since I gave up on HeroLab and switched to PCGen, do we know anything about their plans?

Our plan is to have at one set out for the playtest (assuming the playtest itself is released as OGC), but our data team is small enough that attempting to support a rapidly moving target that a playtest is that we probably won't be having an additional one till PF2 is released.

Of course if some users form a working team to make changes that don't create more load on the core team that would be okay too. :)


It's not currently handled, we are waiting on a code change to handle it.

https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/browse/DATA-3549


Sorry, I've missed this are you using 6.07.04, .05, or .06?


Yes forum thread

And PCGen's instructions. forum thread


There's also the added fact that you can import PCGen characters into FG without requiring a license or sub, the caviate being that casters will have to rebuild their spell lists.


AFAIK Doug has never sought an exclusive deal with any publisher, he's pretty firmly in the opinion that more competition is better.


Here's some places to get better direct help with PCGen. :)

FB User group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/267698787055301/

In addition to our old Yahoo! mailing lists:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pcgen/info
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/PCGenListFileHelp/info

Our Forums:
http://groups.pcgen.org/

Our Chat Rooms:
https://www.hipchat.com/gmddByrFS

Our video tutorial series
https://youtu.be/LhGkqdXNtOw

Or our Help email:
Help@pcgen.org

--Paul Grosse
-PR Silverback


krombopulos-michael wrote:
Distant Scholar wrote:
I don't know where to find these things in the reference documents. (Is the Starfinder reference document up and active yet?)

http://www.starfindersrd.com/ :-)

thanks for letting me know about the languages, thing, I'll have a bit more of a look into it.

Technically that isn't Paizo's SRD, but it's still good. :)


You could either open a ticket in JIRA, or join the team and make a Pull Request in Github


PCGen works just fine since it's a java program.


In case anyone missed it.

PCGen 6.07.04 Alpha Released, now with 100% more Starfinder!


The only one I get a 404 is the release note link at the bottom seems a extra space slipped in there.

https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/download/6.07.04/pcgen-release-note s-60704.html


PCGen is pleased to announce the release of the 6.07.04 Alpha Release of PCGen, now with 100% more Starfinder!

https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/tag/6.07.04
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcgen/files/PCGen%20Unstable/6.07.04/

Note: The windows installer is missing from Sourceforge, use the Github link if you need that installer.

==Notable Changes==

Formula System Foundation Implemented
Freemarker Support expanded
One new source

==New Sources==

The following single big source were added in 6.07.04

[NEWSOURCE-322] – Starfinder RPG

For the full detail on all changes made in this release, check out the release notes here:

https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/download/6.07.04/pcgen-release-note s-60704.html


Sliska Zafir wrote:

I download the files, but when I tried to unzip the starfinder data, I don't know WHERE to put it.

Please advise.

Instructions are on the blog.

PCGen Blog wrote:

Download the above zip file and follow the directions below

On the Select Sources window, follow the steps below:
1. Click on the Advanced Tab.
2. Click on the “Install Data” button on the bottom of the screen
3. Navigate to downloaded zip file, and import files (select Okay to overwrite any files)
4. Restart PCGen
5. Click on the down arrow on the ‘Game’ drop down menu and select Starfinder
6. Click the ‘Add Selected’ button
7. Click the ‘Load’ button
8. Make characters!


Yes, yes there is


It's also expected that older characters will be breaking all over the place as the data changes during the alpha phase. :)

Does it work with making the character from scratch?

You could also jump into our chat room and seek help or report bugs.
https://www.hipchat.com/gmddByrFS


Everything for PCGen (except characters which is default saved to a users folder) is contained under the root PCGen folder.

Go ahead and submit a bug tracker and attach the pcg char file for testing.

jira.pcgen.org


Kittyburger wrote:
This is kind of a troubleshooting issue for the program as a whole, but I'm seeing the text in a REALLY tiny size. Is there an easy way to fix that?

You have a 4k monitor I bet. :)

Right-click on the "pcgen" app, selecting "Properties," then the "Compatibility" tab. Then I checked "Override high DPI scaling behavior..." and selected "System" in the drop-down menu


New version is up 1.02

https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcgen/files/PCGen%20Stable%20Datasets/6.08 .x/Starfinder%20RPG/


Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
All I am able to download is v. 60.06.01

Go down to development versions you need 6.07.03 to use the Starfinder data.

Once you have that installed, you install the Starfinder data set listed above. Just like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY3jsMl3jo4&index=13&list=PLLa5A1qj BOPekqEC_R9BAZW-8q5IT-klM

Note: You have to restart PCGen after installing the data.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Nylanfs wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I have full Herolab access. Why would I need that? :P
Cause we have better documentation to make your own data, classes, feats, abilities, & etc.? :)

Yeah I just asked about this very thing for Pcgen in another thread. One of the reasons why HeroLab is a go for me was that they sold packs for the Pathfinder books pretty much already done.

20 years ago I would definitely be using PCgen and entering everything myself.
20 years ago I had more time on my hands. Now I'd rather pay someone else to do it.

BUT...

now that I've glanced at the documentation for PCgen and entering your own material? I may start using it for Starfinder unless the HLOnline can win me over (although that's unlikely).

And I sent you a PM with the above info since it was definitely off-topic for the HL thread.


Noven wrote:
Dang, no Space Goblin. I might have to actually put it in myself =/
Gonzomike wrote:
Space goblin was the first thing i looked for,that and the Contemplative. I've been trying to figure out to add but no luck so far.

Here's a video tutorial series that our main data monkey made.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLa5A1qjBOPekqEC_R9BAZW-8q5IT-klM

Here's an online documentation (which also ships with each copy).
http://pcgen.org/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/index.html

If you look under List Files > List File Classes it explains all the files, and the List File Tag Index is a list of all known tags that is used in the data and examples of how to use it.

lordredraven wrote:
Is it possible in pcgen to load pathfinder elements with starfinder as well?

That is going to be challenging, because while the systems are close enough for the human mind to easily convert. From a programming standpoint they are mechanically very different.


rev 1.0a is up now

https://sourceforge.net/projects/pcgen/files/PCGen%20Stable%20Datasets/6.08 .x/Starfinder%20RPG/


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I have full Herolab access. Why would I need that? :P

Cause we have better documentation to make your own data, classes, feats, abilities, & etc.? :)


Pathfinder has this for Point Buy.
"After all the points are spent, apply any racial modifiers the character might have"

Starfinder doesn't, so are the final totals either 16 (-2 racial), 18, & 20 (+2 racial), or are they 18 total?

It's strictly by the order in the book, correct?


Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
Does PCGen run on the IPad!

Unfortunately without a Apple dev working with the project I doubt this would happen.

AFAIK the only tablet that can run PCGen is the Surface. It has to be able to run full Java.


Redelia wrote:
LegacyKing wrote:
Matsu Kurisu wrote:
Operative Specialization does not add the two free skills per level. Does add the skill focus. Have logged in jira.pcgen
Addressed. Please avoid the regular reporting on JIRA under Data Bugs. The data set isn't tied to the PCGen release being a standalone. The only group suited to handle would be 'https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net/projects/NONVERSION/issues/?filter=allopeni ssues'. The FB groups are actually best since we can address and update the issues pretty quickly.
What is the preferred method for those of us who do not use Facebook?
Nylanfs wrote:

Either here, our user FB group (below), our support chat (below below), or our yahoo group or our forums.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/267698787055301/?ref=group_header

https://www.hipchat.com/gmddByrFS


AJCarrington wrote:
Thanks...first time I've used PCGen in years...seems to come back pretty easily :)

I knew we'd suck you back in eventually. :)

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