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Unless the echelon rises in front of him how does he know it did anything? If he was worried that it did do something, why didn't he immediately flip to the back of the book and enact the abort code? Anywhere he could successfully perform the code he would have line of sight to BE. So he'd have to be pretty blind not to notice the horrific undead abominations marching ashore from the sea. And I believe it does mention that once the abort code is enacted the Silent Tide is permanently aborted. That would be the master abort code. Remember this is a code *book* not a code pamphlet, there's more than the 3-6 codes mentioned in the mod itself. Also be prepared for questions about how Torch has made a subterranean lair in the tunnels below a district which is flooded to shin level on the surface. He's GT information broker and underworld boss, it's well within his means to have some simple plumbing (drains) done.
I've had a couple Chelaxian players ask this to me, and I'm curious now too. Are the Chelaxians really evil? After looking at three faction missions you've got freeing slaves, blowing up a building, and killing someone (and making it hurt), of those the Chelaxian mission is freeing slaves... What?!?! Does it get any better for those wanting to play the bad guy?
Long story short, if you want to start PFS with as many options as possible then you'll want to wait till August when Pathfinder goes live and the PFS rules set changes. Personally I've been running PFS all year as it kept the momentum of 3.5's LG from dying in my area. Given that LG's been gone for almost a third of a year now that momentum is gone and you may wish to wait for the Pathfinder release.
That's not necessarily bad as it allows characters to be re-imagined and re-equipped without getting hurt financially (I quite like it in fact), but it may also be open to abuse. Trust me, 80% GP is not the place to be. You want your net worth, and even more to the point, cash on hand to be as high as possible to buy that next great thing to come up in access.
A gold floor doesn't encourage PCs to help pay for resurrections or potions, because they lose the gold and only get reimbursed when they fall to 80% of the PC Gold per Level table. But a floor has two distinct advantages. First it keeps people from being gimped by (CLW) potion addiction. Second it gives another in character reason for being a part of the PFS (they make sure I'm not adventuring nekkid). Though I'm considering that instead of checking at the start of a level, allow the assessment once per level at any time. This works especially well during those first few levels when you'll end up panhandling for clothes if you happen to die.
Well if you played LG back in year 1 or 2 you would have tracked the exact gold value of your character.. it was called (by many) Living Accounting because of it.. and it was a real pain. I'd heard, and seen some older characters and mods, brutal. I think the last year went too far the other way though. PS Oh, and while I'm posting I thought I'd say to you: grow up and be civil. Will do! =p
Do not confuse articulation with 'trying too hard'. My apologies, I was hoping you weren't fluent instead of trying to be a dick. In any case I still believe when complaining one should offer at least an idea since what boils down to 'it sucks' only tells the creatives that you don't like it. It seems odd that for someone who was bad-mouthing the consideration of LG you are now completely reversing your argument. Are you certain you're fluent? In one post I was referencing character longevity, in the other character viability. These are clearly two different subjects, and in neither did I state the problem or solution was related to emulating LG. I would rather be a whiner... I would rather discuss a solution.
Now lets get one thing straight you arrogant jerk: Yes whiner? I'm guessing English isn't your first language, otherwise you're just trying too hard. It's all well and good you latched onto someone's idea, in fact it's not a bad idea to hitch your wagon to, but in general, just complaining isn't nearly as fruitful as actually thinking up a solution. My own solution, which I admit is merely a tweak of LG's charity of Friends clause, would be that at every level a character assess their own net worth. Should that net worth be under 80% of level appropriate that their GP be raised to that amount.
But people were complaining about LG ending too quickly after running for five or more years (iirc), so a 4 year plus lifespan for a character isn't unreasonable and I personally consider it to be deirable. I think I misrepresented what I intended to relay. There's only so much a character can do before it becomes a little strange they're still doing dungeon crawls etc... For instance my main LG character (a rogue3 ranger2 fighter2 ex-bard0 swashbuckler3) has:
At which point I think to myself: "I can sell *one* item (at half GP cost) and have enough for booze and whores for me and my men for several lifetimes, why am I still doing this?" The vast majority of that list is before LG got crazy with year 8, and he lived mostly in the Nyrond and her Environs, a metaregion known for being reserved with access and favors.
Or if we must start at 1st level: You know we're looking at less than 50 (around half that) mods a year so far right? That's over 30 *years* of mods to hit retirement age. If I wanted to start at the bottom, get promoted through attrition, battle for years to earn respect, then retire after decades of toil I'd just look for another job.
I don't think this response was called for. I've noticed our opinions can vary greatly. The problem with critical thinking nowadays is most people are critical without thinking. I was merely pointing out the part metz missed. Character death can really dampen a person's mood, but unless it takes you completely out of the fight roll with the punches and cope.
Death in Pathfinder is purely a financial cost, with no way of ever Recovering it. This means any PC who dies in Pathfinder is permanently worse off than other PCs. I'm among a large number of people who would've rather lost some gold than a level. Oh sure you're short some cash, but in the long run you're still gaming with your buddies, or at least at the same league as them. 1 lost level can mean a long road of half xp and gp in LG, or worse yet a death spiral that leaves a character broken in more ways than one. Ok smartass we listened to you whine, now what are your solutions?
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The bell towers are mentioned in the second paragraph on page 3. The blackmail scheme is also on page 3, second column, paragraph beginning with "Recognizing his own follishness". The bell towers are never destroyed. That paragraph was discussing the intentions of BE during operation ST, which never happened due to being discovered and killed. The 30 minute time limit is on page 10 right at the beginning of Act 5. The time limit (assuming that the cathedral fell) is to catch Nessian and abort the operation before ST begins. With the codebook Nessian can call BE to attack and withdraw, making for the perfect threat to the city. I still don't see how Nessian gets involved in all of this. GT is an information broker, now seen in multiple mods, thus he has eyes and ears everywhere to get him information from throughout the city. This is why having GT inform Nessian is the easiest way to connect N to the codebook. Maybe he's a fanatic Taldoran and one of his goons overhears Yargos and his friends in the Drowning Depths as they plan the event. This doesn't show the hallmark of Taldan Tactics, furthermore why would Nessian be interested in an old man's book purely by chance.
You know there's already a thread for this mod right? Spoiler:
1. Yargos replicates the codes on a lark. Why on earth would he do this? And what happened next? Did the Black Echelon destroy the bell towers? You wouldn't believe how stupid some 'smart' people are. Remember the super collider experiment that some scientists feared might cause a tiny blackhole that would destroy us all? Yeah, they still went along with it. Plus, how often do the dead come back on their own without the help of some evil cleric/necromancer? 2. Yargos then tries to alert the city. I take it nobody believed his story? If the bell towers were destroyed, why didn't they believe him? I'm guessing the bell tower is something your GM said, as it's not in the mod. As such he has not a leg to stand on. 3. He then tries to hurl the codebook into the sea. However, Nessian "intervenes". How exactly did Nessian learn of the book and how did he intervene? Grandmaster Torch. It explains why GT comments on Nessian as he does, as he'd be propping up the young warlord. Intervention can be as simple as grabbing the book as it's sailing over the cliff to as rough as you'd like. 4. Nessian later sends his goons to kill Yargos. Why didn't he kill the historian immediately? In case he needed to use the old man to decipher the codes. By the start of the mod he's found he doesn't need Yargos, and has him disposed of so no pesky Pathfinders use the old man's knowledge to upset his plans. 5. Act 1 starts at early evening. Act 4 at sunrise. Since the PCs are under time pressure, I assume they didn't sleep. Where did the time go then? Surely act 2 and 3 don't take all night to complete? Early evening is 6-7pm, sunrise is (around here anyway) about 5-6am. Given the group runs across the city a few times over, searching the granary for poison, and the time it takes to open the boxes, the timeframe isn't too far off. 6. Nessian plans to blackmail the city. However, it is made clear that unless the abort code is given within half an hour of the cathedral attack, the city is doomed. So how exactly does he plan to go about his blackmailing in that short timeframe? I didn't see that in the mod either. 7. For that matter, is it wisdom to be encamped just outside the city when you summon an army of undead to sack it? As opposed to within the city? Absolutely!
NotMousse, you're terrific. In particular, I really appreciate the way you cite specific sources. If more people did that on the internet, well, it probably wouldn't be the internet. Hey man, you're killing my rep. As I stated upthread, I would really like this to be somewhere official, so I can implement it. I suppose I can see that. I was hoping the MB rulings thread would get some support from Mr Frost, or help from others who saw their own questions answered. Later on in the thread, he posted the passage you quoted above. And then, in the last post in that thread, Josh comes on again and says that the matter deserves some more thought and consideration. I'm sure he's talking about the comments below his penultimate post, asking for more lenient restrictions, and that what I posted are his final comments on the matter till August. Sure, we can agree to disagree, but if I'm the GM, and require you to give up your bought-and-trained animal because of what I think are the rules, you still walk away from that session with a note on your chronicle sheet, and your next GM may have read the same post I did. The handling of 'not kosher' items is perhaps an issue unto itself. Personally I offer the character full gold for anything they've accidentally purchased. As for dismissing familiars and companions it's a lot easier if you accept Mr Frost's comments as above.
I'll skip the Sage Advice comments; he's been considered wrong by far too many people I trust on the rules to take him seriously. But just so you know Mr. Frost has explicitly stated rerolls are allowed. The t-shirt "system" will be codified in the next update. But, yes, if you wear your faction's shirt you can re-roll one dice roll before the result is determined per scenario session. That quote can be found here: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderS ociety/general/shirtBonus Of course there's no PFS nazis running around telling you how to run your game and you can do as you please. Personally I think it'd a prick move, especially if it's widely known for this feature, and several got their shirts just to do so. That's not the ruling from Josh I have on the screen in front of me. Here's the intent: You can have one animal with you in combat. The rest have to be non-combatants. That quote can be found here: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderS ociety/general/nonBoundAnimals&page=last ...dismiss your familiar (which you would not be able to resummon for a year)... This issue will be addressed in v1.2, but there are no penalties for losing a familiar or animal companion (including the Paladin's mount). Since the time between scenarios is typically mercurial, you are able to acquire a new familiar, paladin mount, or animal companion between scenarios without time loss, XP loss, etc. That quote can be found here: http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderS ociety/general/dismissedDeadFamiliarsHowToMeasureAYearAndADay because I "read it on the internet"; and, as you understand the ruling, I would have been wrong. And we being reasonable adults would come up with something on the spot, then each research our arguments to convince the other. Granted in my scenario I'd be right because I keep tabs on these. The great thing about this forum is that it's open to all, even those without access to the books.
I ask her which she wants her character to keep: the familiar or the animal companion. (And whichever one she dismisses, she'll have to wait a full year to summon a replacement.) I tell her to cross off the other one and I write in her chronicle that she no longer has the animal she purchased. I think I see your problem. You're having a problem interpreting the rules as Mr. Frost has clearly said that it's one fighting animal. Technically a character can keep the familiar, the companion, and additional animal as long as only one is involved in fighting. Most often familiars aren't combatants and not subject the the rule. In my groups some of the people look to the boards and ask me about rulings, and if I don't have a satisfactory answer I come here and look, or ask, then come back with a final ruling. Incidentally this has lead to a couple players asking about where to find Onyx...
Is it now the case that 1.2 won't be coming out till GenCon?? I have players that keep waiting to be allowed to use their faction shirt re-rolls, and they'll have to wait till August?? Gaarrr! Wait... You're denying your group faction rerolls just because it's not written in the guide? If you're using *any* of the MB rulings this should be the one!
Well the bottom line is that it takes more effort & work to run them than it needs to be to do so. And Paizo's bottom line is that it'll cost them more to do so. These costs will be passed on to us. Even though 'my' mods are bought and paid through the gaming club I'd like to keep those costs to a minimum so we can have GM perks, contests, and the charitable donation or two.
Note that this question may be moot after August anyways; there's no time limit involved in recruiting a new familiar in the Pathfinder Beta rules (although this could be changed in the final version). Really? Guess it'll be easier on the arcane guys then. Though an official ruling would be nice given that there will likely be timeframe instances year +1 day and otherwise.
1) PFS #6 Black Waters
2) PFS #13 Prince of Augustana
3) PFS #5 Mists of Mwangi
Other mods of note: PFS #10 Blood at Dralkard Manor, PFS #4 Frozen Fingers, PFS #7 Among the Living. I'd avoid Silent Tide/Many Fortunes unless you know the other is being run by someone else. I think GMT is best served with another helping of his Kentucky fried self. Also avoid Asmodeus Mirage, bad times at high tier.
Actually, I would've thought it would be the other way around; Ah but there's the rub, there are certain items that are more useful than others. For instance when LG was coming to it's end many new items became open access including the core 6*. This meant that many people cashed in older items that were quirky or thematic to their characters for items that offered the best statistical payoff. Others simply had a dragon's horde in coin hoping for the one item to dump it all on, becoming much more powerful in one fell swoop. I quickly became an oddity for my helm (sometimes called my 'helm of NotMousse just charged into battle again') and lacking some (2) of the core 6. *The core 6 are the magic items pretty much universal gear no matter what the class. These items are (in random order): +1 weapon (often multiple), +1 armor and shield (or +1 bracers of armor), +2 stat booster (exact ones depend on class), +1 cloak/vest of resistance, +1 ring of protection, +1 amulet of natural armor.
Why bother to need to give out access to items? Everything boils down to this question, to which the reply is equally short. If everyone had access to everything (magic item shops) then every <race/class combo> would be outfitted pretty much the same just like WoW. I prefer my games to be less like WoW.
I'm sorry.. it's a PDF.. how would say another page of length need to change the price? First off writers are often paid by word count, second *I* have to print these things which makes it cost more for *me*. 'As for MM stuff, I understand that occurs due to the OGL. When mods have those critters in them I print out the relevant portions from the SRD.' You understand wrong. Having the OGL at the end of every mod means you can print the stats no problem, indeed more than once has SRD documents been reprinted and sold for profit (pocket PHB being the most famous of these).
It does tend to a lot of flipping at times, but when compared with using 5% of the MM (as is done with another mod if you want to be ready for all tiers) it's vastly preferable. And as stated above reusing baddies cuts down on word count, allowing for more background instead of reprinting the same, or similar, information time and again.
Remember? Was this even said somewhere? I figure it was going to be no item creation period.. Pathfinder is reworking how item creation will be done. That was the reason for not allowing item creation in PFS. Granted item creation may indeed be left out of PFS in the end, but I get the feeling Paizo is satisfied with their efforts and will release that into PFS. 'It also removes some of the incentive to play at the highest tier of a module (for all the access) and the like, which, imho, should not exist at all. Tiers should simply be where the party will be comfortable playing.' So then no matter what tier the party plays they should find the +3 sword that's only used in the 8-9 tier? Personally I'd like to see more favors, connections, etc... in the end, but I could do without the bizarre useless crap.
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