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Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber. 18 posts. 1 review. No lists. No wishlists.
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Hey, guys, it's not OA itself; however, check-out what was said in one of the other threads about Paizo's GameMastery module possibilities:
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NorthernOkie (Pathfinder Charter Subscriber)
With the apparent success of PATHFINDER 1-6 (so far) allowing them to plan out to #7 -12, I think a push for an Asian PATHFINDER would be the way we need to go.
Surely possibilities for mixed classes, races, and a continuous Campaign abounds with an "along the Silk Road" theme/setting---perhaps even opening the door for a PATHFINDER Epic Level adventures???
Indeed, surely only Epic Level heroes would be worthy of changing the fates of entire nations [yes, plural!], correct ???
"Team Jacobs" has already shown that they like to create new lands and cultures by introducing Golarion and Varisia, (and they're good at it!) so to create an Asian World framework that Players and DMs could drop their favorite characters into (even if the class weren't from the OGL) would be perfect!!!
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Mike McArtor (GameMastery Associate Editor), Friday, 07:23 PM
Paizo's R&D is one step ahead of you... sort of.
There won't be a Tian Xia (Golarion's Asia analogue) AP until there has been at least one successful Tian Xia GameMastery Module. I'm pushing (hard) for a Tian Xia gazetteer, so anyone else who would be interested in that should contact Jason and let him know we'd like to see it on the product list (preferably before, say, 2010). ;D
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Woo-hoo!
So, get to the keyboard and let 'em know you're interested in an "asian adventure" !!!
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James Jacobs wrote:
The deities of the PHB/Core D&D pantheon are the intellectual property of Wizards of the Coast, which is why we built an entirely new pantheon (and, indeed, an entirely new world) for Pathfinder. As such, we can't really provide anything like a Core deity to Pathfinder deity conversion chart.
That said, if someone here on the boards wants to take a stab at that conversion chart, that'd be neat. It just can't come from someone here at Paizo--there can't be an "official" conversion chart.
Hmmmm, the core pantheon isn't OGL???....Well, that stinketh!
(AND more evidence that Lawful Neutral "is the worst alignment you can be because it sucks the life out of everyone." :-) Thank goodness, I have Chaotic tendancies...)
Can Paizo make "official comments" on a submitted conversion chart?
(ie. "We see housecreated-god as more closely associated with copywrited-deity #2 than with copywrited-diety #1." )
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Two thoughts:
<Rant on>
"...coming home???" Coming HOME?!?!?! Are they MEANING to rub our noises in it?!?! Do they even THINK about how pompous and arrogant and elitist that sounds?!?!? COMING HOME?!?!? Well, it's NOT MY HOME that it's coming to---not after September anyway! It gets to go to their home(page)! It gets to stay in their home! But us???? NOTHING is coming to my home--that's the problem!!! Oh, and I could HAVE it come to my home---all I have to do is pay to view it, pay to download, pay to have it bound, and pay to have it shipped!!! (But isn't that what I'm doing now? you ask) OF COURSE it is, but I'd bet my life that whatever printing options they offer me are NOT going to be the quality grade of the current magazine published by Paizo! COMING HOME?!?!? Here, let me slam the door in Hasbro's face! <SLAM>
<rant off>
And, now, THOUGHT #2. Which comes from the civilized, rational side of me.....
Mr. West, thank you for your insights and your heartfelt and (it seems to me) true opinions. I am just a "commoner" and have never met any of the "pros" but what you wrote about the various Paizo staff members and editors strikes me as being true. I have always had the impression that they are indeed good people. Thank you for your insights. Could you maybe give me/us one more?
Christopher West wrote:
I have it on good authority that WotC is indeed planning something relating to the Dragon and Dungeon magazine brands. I don't know what it is, but I can tell that the aforementioned people involved do seem excited about it. The last time Chris Thomasson shared his excitement with me about a secret project, we got the Shackled City Adventure Path. (He was editor of Dungeon at the time.) I can also tell you that they seem genuinely and extremely frustrated that they can't yet reveal their plans...
WHY don't they just tell us that??? Is it really such a trade secret, do they really think that someone else is going to beat them to the web-server???? I understand suspense; I understand marketing strategies (a little); but what I don't understand is why they think it's a good idea to yank something away from us (and, ok, perhaps 6 months of issues left is not "yanking") and NOT tell us that they have a great replacement idea coming???
I mean "some content like what you've seen in the past will be available online" (a paraphrase even though I put it in quotes) isn't specific; it isn't sharing an idea; it sounds like a tiny morsel thrown to starving dogs!
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This whole situation stinks to high Heaven of Wizards of the Coast grabbing and reaching for more product and money!!!
I don't know much about publication industries, but it seems like to me that WotC is thinking they'll sell online subscriptions and save printing costs and screw the customers!
I agree that I'm NOT BUYING ANOTHER SINGLE WIZARDS or HASBRO PRODUCT FOR THE REST OF 2007!!!!!!! No RPG resources, no barbies for my girls, no action figures, no board games, no puzzles, NOTTTTTHING!!!!!!!
I'm also going to "reward" PAIZO for the quality of work they've done.
(I can't FRIGGIN' BELIEVE THAT MY MONTHLY COPIES OF DUNGEON HAVE FEWER TYPOS IN IT THAN SOME OF MY WotC HARDBOUNDS!!!!!!)
I INTEND TO NOT ONLY BUY A SUBSCRIPTION to "PATHFINDER" BUT ALSO TELL AS MANY OF MY FIRENDS ABOUT IT, TOO.
We probably can't defeat Hasbro/Wizards. BUT WE CAN STRENGTHEN PAIZO and the Hasbro rivals.
(And, YES, I'm mad. And, Yes, this is venting emotion, but don't think for one moment I'm not serious! The decision has been made and when the emotion's gone the decision will still be in force.)
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mothman wrote:
I've been toying with the idea of setting a campaign (or at least a few adventures) in an asian setting with a sort of fantasy ancient china feel.
Anyone know of any good v3.0, 3.5 or just general d20 supplements to use for rules, inspiration?...
The 1st edition Shou Lung resources have a very Chinese feel to them. Also there have been a couple of adventures in Dungeon that have heavy Asian flavors even though they are not set in OA or rokugan. The topic was just being discussed in another thread by this person:
Occam wrote:
There are a few 3e Dungeon adventures explicitly Asian in feel, that would work with little or no adaptation:
"Rana Mor" (Dungeon 86) (SE Asian)
"The Winding Way" (Dungeon 117)
"The Palace of Plenty" (Dungeon 130)
In addition, I have plans to adapt these 3e adventures to an Oriental setting:
"Forsaken Arch" (Dungeon 120)
"Lost Temple of Demogorgon" (Dungeon 120)
"Within the Circle" (Dungeon 130)
Kyr wrote:
.... It is hardly a surprise that WotC wants to make some money for the money they layout - is that wrong no - should you pay - yes. Would you work for free?
...Or is it your expectation that everything imagined or that ever will be imagined for...
Great thoughts, Kyr. (It is truly refreshing when one finds an intelligent poster on a message board.) My earlier post did come off as a rant against the costs; however, that's not what I intended at all. What I hoped to imply was the "flooding of the market" so to speak. I was an avid gamer throughout 1st edition and into 2nd but then it seemed like (during 2e) that suddenly there were all of these supplements and quintessentials and then the TSR financial troubles seemed to start. Nothing happens in isolation, (and it's true that life became very busy for me about tht time, so who really moved away from the table???) but I've always equated that flood of tomes and poorly bound "extras" with the fading of a beloved game.
Of course, the good news is that 3rd+ edition has brought the game roaring back. I suppose I see all of the new "extras" and get nervous---I'm not against spending money for something well-done. I just don't want Hasbro to "overexpand" the system again, so to speak.
kyr wrote:
And yes an oriental adventure path would be cool - question - would that thread be better if based on european type adventurers explorering/discovering an oriental setting - or oriental type PCs in their home setting?
That's a great question....personally, I'd like a "PCs in their home setting" format. however, I have to admit that the "exploring/discovering" backdrop would probably have a much greater audience.
Most of us OAers are used to having to manipulate and change things to fit our Campaign views anyway, right? :-)
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ToddGrim76 wrote:
To NorthernOkie, BigDaddyG, Mothman and Aureus,
In comments about Mage Armor...I, like BigDaddyG, hail from many years of many games. I can not seem to remember every single rule, so the one thing I do is look back into the books from time to time to refreshen my mind... First to page 249 of the PHB. The Spell Mage Armor proves a +4 ARMOR bonus to AC. It doesn't say deflecting bonus... It further goes on to state that armor does not stack from effects of such spells as mage armor, nor do shields stack with spells that provide shield bonus....
Don't mean to sound like a jerk, but when you have the books and don't understand something, it just takes a little bit of research to get the correct answer.
And when one mis-interprets he should have the wisdom to acknowledge it....you are so very correct! It's amazing how one small word in a spell description slipped right by me. And here I thought I was understanding this d20 thing. :-) Thank you for a well-documented post!
Now, back to the Savage Tide!!!
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Mike McArtor wrote:
Razz wrote:
I think he mean's a Kara-Tur article will be presented in next issue, which is the Campaign Classics issue.
Is true.
Razz wrote:
Post more Kara-Tur articles yearly! :D
Depending on what we get, I'm sure at least 2/4 of the Dragon editorial team are amenable to this idea. ;)
Anybody know when/if this came out? What issue? I mean, Mr. McArtor surely wasn't talking about Dragon #315---was he!?!?!
THANKS (in advance) FOR ANY HELP!
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I couldn't DISAGREE more with most of what everyone has said. HOWEVER, I have some prejudicial reasons: My campaign world was born in 1st edition.
Sharpe wrote:
... just looking through your Dragon back issues should give you plenty of setting info.
I hated the rokugan stuff, but loved the rest. HOWEVER, I was also the "OA DM" for our group back in the mid 80s, so it was easy for me to take most of the Kara-Tur (the "official" Asian side of FR) and 1st edition background and use it with the updated material.
The 3.5 update in Dragon #318 fixed most things---although I didn't agree with a couple changes (Vanara racial abilities and changing Hengeyokai from the "spirit" subtype).
Last but not least, (WARNING: Rant approaching!!)
I despise the use of the "complete" books. It's not that I'm against anything extra (the "Races of..." series is pretty darn good), but if the "complete" stuff is so great and necessary then why isn't it in the core books? Oh, yeah, now I remember: WotC is owned by Hasbro and they want my money, so they they create a 100 supplements. "New" items, spells, PrC, etc should all be things that players and DMs develop together or pull from issues of Dragon magazine---not a glop of marketing bound in a market-flooded book.
(OK, sorry for the soapbox....)
Any-who, like I originally said. I think it's a GOOD book. For it to be GREAT you'll have to have some background info or a well-thought out Campaign World. And personally, I don't think Samurai, Kensai, Ninja, or Shugenja should ever show-up on a European continent....well, unless their part of an invading army! ;-)
P.S.
An "oriental" Adventure Path would be VERY cool!
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Erik Mona wrote:
EP Healy wrote:
I'm sure someone has asked about this already, but I can't seem to find the answer, so... When do you (Paizo) expect you'll be looking at compiling AP2 into a hardcover for release?
It will be at least several months to a year after the AP has concluded in the magazine, if we are allowed to do one at all.
--Erik Mona
Well, here we are at nearly a year since the original post. OBVIOUSLY the interest is high and SCAP continues to sell well so that seems like a "no brainer" for the guys in the WotC treasury department.
What's the word on a publication date for a AWAP hardcover????
((P.S. This is my very first post on the messageboards, so please be gentle if I've just asked an incredibly stupid question....))
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