|Paizo Pathfinder® Paizo Games|
|About Paizo Messageboards News Paizo Blog Help/FAQ|
When jokes that I don't find amusing are made when I'm honestly reaching out for advice, I can get kind of peeved. And 'betray' wasn't exactly the word used, but a verb involving fecal matter isn't allowed on this forum. If I didn't make it clear, there are some strong feelings on this.
Thing is we are not playing on Golarion (or its solar system...) but have a shared setting. While this may seem to be an insignificant detail to differ between three people, whether or not an entire race effectively exists could be a problem.
While it's nice to be agreed with, unless I get a massive amount of people agreeing with me, I'd just be parroting my arguments from other sessions. Anyone have any specific rules proof or a link to a dev post? Because, as far as I can find, I can't find anything to refute their interpretation other than 'it doesn't say'.
I joined a group playing RotRL Anniversary Edition, and they sprung a couple rules I can't really find basis for anywhere. The biggest of which is that moving through allies in combat is considered difficult terrain. I've been playing Pathfinder for at least five years (PFS, mostly) and have NEVER seen this done before. The only basis I can think of is them misinterpreting rules for crowds...
The second one is that a diagonal counts as moving through all four squares (the one you are moving to, and the ones next to it). Never seen this rule, either, but the situation comes up less.
Is there any support for these? Or, even better, is there support that these interpretations of the rules are wrong? I would very much like to never have to worry about this again, it's a very frustrating thing to deal with in combat.
It occurs to me that if android souls are real and not artificial, would they qualify as cyborgs instead of androids. I'm reminded of the Major from Ghost in the Shell.
Well, they are specifically android souls. It wasn't put into them (except by presumably Pharasma), it just manifested.
Then again, it might have been a cosmic screwup on behalf of whoever is in charge of shepherding souls from the Postive Energy Plane.
"It looked like a humanoid, so I put a humanoid soul in it!"
"Well now we have to do it for ALL OF THEM!"
In one of my gaming groups (more Pathfinder-focused, the three of us developing a setting together), I seem to be alone in that I don't hate the implementation of androids. One constantly yearns for a more mechanical robot race and isn't a fan of their soul-having status, while the other despises that they have souls. He says it betrays decades of science fiction (to which I say Pathfinder isn't science fiction, but I digress), and has expressly forbid them from any of his games. Note that none of us are sticks-in-the-mud about technology and Pathfinder, we LOVE it, but they just plum hate androids.
I LIKE their almost-organic, soul-possessing implementation. Souls and how they work are admittedly something I am a fan of in Pathfinder, so it's not really a surprise (I also like the Shabti, a race I consider an almost magical equivalent). Is there anything people would suggest to sway their opinions?
Prince of Knives wrote:
I was going to use it in a setting I work on with others for a Vampire-ruled kingdom, which vampires of all varieties have flocked to. Moroi are the 'ruling class,' due to their numbers and spawn, and the vampire template in LotN are the enforcers and footsoldiers. A diluted bloodline they can create when making spawn.
There is a shield style, three feats that essentially grant you the good parts of a Tower Shield Fighter (nullifies the penalty, add shield to touch AC), with some other goodies (by the end you can set up the shield as an immediate action, and also provide total cover to an adjacent ally). It's called Mobile Bulwark style. It requires Shield Focus to get, though; you wouldn't be able to pick up the first feat until 3rd level if you're a human.
So, I'm a fan of the fantasy archetype of the armored mage, complete with sword and shield. Naturally I'm a fan of the magus, but I find the Skirnir archetype... lacking. I was mulling over options from the Armor Master's Handbook, and was looking at Shielded Mage; not incredibly useful for magus, not as much as Unhindering Shield, but a lot more fun in my opinion. If I want to play a shielded magus, I want an actual shield, not a metal dinner plate strapped to my forearm. I know the benefits are virtually the same, but still...
I was thinking, though, when looking at shields. A quickdraw shield, combined with the Quick Draw feat, can be donned or put away as a free action. Now, could a magus (or any other mage), when casting a spell, simply put the shield away before casting and put it on after casting? Well, that's not the question, of course it's possible to do that, but would they get the shield bonus back? If we follow the buckler's example, no... But bucklers remain on your arm as you're doing something else; from a more meta perspective, they use language specific to bucklers, and I don't see rules consituting what using a hand for limits you to in combat. Now I could go either way on this, but whichever way seems to have sway, it could still be useful to use this tactic, since you could pick up Shielded Mage to be be able to cast spells with a shield anyway, provided you don't need a free hand for something like Spell Combat or one of the Dex-to-damage feats.
Manly-man teapot wrote:
It's whenever you could take an attack. AoO, standard action, full attack, whenever. You're just changing how you deliver your touch spell.
Nocte ex Mortis wrote:
It's a logical flow: Hypnotic Stare is a mind-affecting effect. Painful Stare only works on things that Hypnotic Stare is capable of effecting. Some things are immune to mind-affecting effects, ergo, Painful Stare doesn't work on them, as they aren't valid targets for Hypnotic Stare.
No, it doesn't! It says nowhere that painful stare only works on things that hypnotic stare is capable of affecting! Nowhere!
Occult Adventures wrote:
Hypnotic Stare (Su): A mesmerist can focus his stare on one creature within 30 feet as a swift action. That creature takes a –2 penalty on Will saving throws. This penalty changes to –3 at 8th level. A mesmerist can maintain his stare against only one opponent at a time; it remains in effect until the mesmerist stares at a new target, the opponent dies, the opponent moves farther than 30 feet away, or the mesmerist falls unconscious or dies. The mesmerist can remove the memory of his stare from the target's mind; the creature doesn't remember that it was affected (nor does it realize that it is currently being affected) unless the mesmerist allows it. The hypnotic stare is a psychic effect, and relies more on the mesmerist's focus than the target's perception of his stare. It can't be avoided in the same ways a gaze attack can. The mesmerist can use this ability even while blinded, but must succeed at a DC 20 concentration check to do so. Staring at a creature requires the mesmerist's focus, so if he uses a gaze attack or similar ability, he must target the subject of his hypnotic stare or voluntarily end the stare. The penalties from multiple mesmerists' stares don't stack, nor do they stack with penalties from witches' evil eye hexes. This is a mind-affecting effect.
Thing is, I don't see in there any language that says things about whether targets are valid or not.
That doesn't answer the question, though; if it is mind affecting, mesmerists cannot use Painful Stare against those immune to mind-affecting effects unless they have Bold Stare... locking out the archetype that actually focuses on using Painful Stare themselves. If it is NOT mind-affecting, but rather a result of the Mesmerist asserting his will (as it is implied to be), it can be used against creatures immune to mind-affecting effects regardless of having Psychic Inception.
Occult Adventures wrote:
Painful Stare (Su): When an attack that deals damage hits the target of a mesmerist's hypnotic stare, the mesmerist can cause the target to take an amount of additional damage equal to 1/2 the mesmerist's class level (minimum 1). The mesmerist can use this ability as a free action, and can use it even if it isn't his turn. If the mesmerist uses this ability to increase his own damage, the additional damage increases by 1d6 points for every 3 class levels the mesmerist possesses. This damage is precision damage and is not multiplied on a critical hit. A mesmerist can trigger this ability only once per round, but a single creature can take damage from multiple mesmerists' painful stares in a round.
The mesmerist's Painful Stare is not stated to be mind-affecting. It is stated to be an effect that results from a creature being a TARGET of a mesmerist's painful stare, nothing about being actually effected by it. If someone uses an unarmed strike to deliver a touch spell but doesn't penetrate the DR, it doesn't mean the spell isn't delivered.
Came up during a PFS game. Painful Stare does not specify it is mind-affecting, only that it affects the target the hypnotic stare. 'Target' being the operative word I'm hanging on; if not, vexing daredevils are utterly useless against creatures immune to mind-affecting. A mesmerist can make something the target of its stare even if it's immune, which is what I am saying.
Don't have much time to do a fluff writeup, but basically, I had an idea for a campaign setting I'm working on with others, that of a quadruped (an idea someone had suggested) tiny (same guy a few weeks later suggested a tiny race) race. A visual description is a bit difficult at this point, but describing them as having both traits of canine, feline, and especially mustelids.
Ability Score Racial Traits: Jolethi are not strong in frame, but are nimble in both mind and body. They gain +4 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, and -4 Strength.
Any feedback/suggestions? Considering changing the creature type to magical beast, but fey has precedent in being a PF race type, plus its less powerful (don't want this race to get darkvision).
I mentioned that, but seem to have forgotten the actual name. Hosteling can only carry a companion the same size as you, or one size larger if heavy armor or a tower shield. This companion is huge, so I would need to buy either large-sized armor or a large-sized tower shield... or buy a Huge buckler and have that enchanted.
In PFS my samurai just reached level 10, taking his first level of Mammoth Rider. I've been preparing for this for a while so I'm familiar with some options, but I haven't been as up to date as I could be. I'm looking for a way to make the mount relatively relevant in as many situations as possible; I know the spell Carry Companion could handle it easily, but I don't currently have the book, and was looking to see if there was other options available. I could buy and enchant a large-sized tower shield, which I guess is slightly more portable than a huge-sized giant cat, but not very. Another option is Pup Shape, but I think that's more trouble than it's worth.
Any other options besides buying a want of Carry Companion? If that's the only option I'm fine with it, but I'd like to know of any other options out there.
I was reading over Reborn Samsaran today, and I noticed their bit about their Reborn Magic... doesn't follow the rules for Psychic Magic universal monster ability. Theirs is keyed off of charisma, which while annoying in that the race doesn't get a bonus to it, isn't too bad. BUT, in the Psychic Magic monster rule, it says it uses Int OR Cha, whichever is higher. But hey, specific rule trumps general rule... even if it specifically says 'as per Psychic Magic', with no exceptions qualified. Another thing: Using Psychic Magic qualifies the user to use occult skill unlocks. The Reborn Samsaran says that if they are not capable of using the skill unlocks, they recieve psychic sensitivity as a bonus feat instead of psychic virtuoso. But they're always capable of using the unlocks. Because they have Psychic Magic by default, unless you are trading it out somehow via alternate racial traits, which do not exist. Granted, it does cover a base for future alternate racial traits, so I can see why that would be included.
All in all, I think this race is an example of poor editing; if anyone were to play the race in one of my games, I would allow their psychic magic to use Int or Cha, whichever is higher.
Looks good! I would have been more inclined to give them a penalty to strength instead of constitution, though. In my homebrew there are several races with a similar niche, but I never thought about burrowing though. Any reason why Aquan one of the language choices? I would consider throwing in some sort of monster language in to balance it out.
Thanks! I just updated it. Draconic Scion is supposed to just make them vulnerable to dragon-related effects, such as favored enemy and bane weapons. I'd also stretch it to allow them to be identified with Knowledge (Arcana) and be hit in the same way aligned dragons are by anti/paladins. I also made some feats for them, several based off the kobold dragon feats, and one kinda patching a hole I noticed in the world:
Draconic Aspect (Solarborn)
Draconic Breath (Solarborn)
Draconic Glide (Solarborn)
Draconic Paragon (Solarborn)
For a homebrew setting I've been working on with a few friends, I wanted some feedback that didn't come from our little echo chamber.
The solarborn are a diurnal species not native to Coria. Despite their monstrous appearance, they get along well with others, and have an eye for spotting talent, utilizing it to cover their weaknesses.
Physical Description: Solarborn are a tall draconic race, on average reaching heights of seven feet. They have pointed snouts, tails, digitigrade legs, wing fins on their forearms, and their hide is hewed from red to orange. They have small spines that run the length of their back, with the longest at their heads. They tend to wear only as much clothing is strictly necessary, both for utility and to show off their bodies. They age similarly to half-elves, reaching ages of 150 years on average. However, solarborn remain fertile until venerable age.
Society and Relations: The Solarborn currently on Coria are the descendants of half of the crew of a vast Terra-ship, a spacecraft designed with technology and magic to resemble a small planet; the Solarborn populated the surface, while their Noctite partners inhabited the inside of the ship. When the Barrier went up, the ship crashed on Coria. They number relatively few and having somewhat forgotten their ancestors, they wander the surface looking for something to sate their desires. They are tolerated by most races, but have friendly relations with Noctites when the races meet, having been partners. Since the habitation of the two races is in itself incompatible, they have never disagreed on territory, and thus work well together. Their aging and fertility leads young solarborn to not worry about settling down until they start to feel age clawing at them; still, solarborn family groups are a rare thing, not often exceeding four to five members. For names, they have an unusual tradition of having a given name, and then earning their ‘title’ themselves. For example, Kaoros, One Who Rides Griffons.
Alignment: Because they see themselves as descendants of Solar Dragons, they tend to veer towards Chaotic, taking what they want, or else pursuing other passions. Solarborn are almost always passionate, and tend to eschew Neutral alignments. Some hardliners hold themselves more orderly than others, imitating their Solar Dragon forbears, and are Lawful Neutral. Those few solarborn that hold themselves to a higher code, taking the custody and sanctity of all life into account, tend to be greatly respected by other solarborn, even if they do not agree with them.
Adventuring: Most Solarborn have been an adventurer at some point in their past, and tend to gravitate towards classes that benefit them. This means there are few scholarly Solarborn, but quite many bloodragers, fighters, bards, skalds, and sorcerers. They in particular have an affinity towards a variation of the Draconic bloodline. Many solarborn seek out adventuring to earn a better name-title.
Male Names: Kriishnavos, Kaoros, Norriban, Sorroon
Ability Score Racial Traits: Solarborn are physically gifted and quite charismatic, but rely heavily on the advancements of others. Solarborn characters have +2 Strength, +2 Charisma, and -2 Intelligence.
Type: Solarborn are Monstrous Humanoids, and thus have darvision out to 60 feet.
Size: Solarborn are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Base Speed: Solarborn have a base speed of 30ft.
Fire Resistance: Solarborn possess fire resistance 5 as a result of their ties to the sun.
Breath Weapon: Solarborn are capable of a powerful breath weapon. Once per day as a standard action Solarborn can make a supernatural breath attack that deals 2d6 fire damage in a 20-foot line. The DC for this ability is 10 + ½ the Solarborn’s level + the Solarborn’s Constitution modifier. A successful reflex save negates the damage.
Vestigial Wings: Solarborn possess fins similar to wings on their arms, granting them a +4 racial bonus to flight as these aid the character.
Prehensile Tail: Solarborn’s tails are flexible enough to carry objects, and can retrieve small, stowed objects carried on their person as a swift action.
Solar Healing: As a swift action, a solarborn can call upon its solar dragon heritage, gaining fast healing 1 for 1 minute. This fast healing only works in bright light, such as sunlight. This ability can be used a number of times per day equal to ½ the solarborn’s character level (minumum 1).
Light Dependant: Solarborn take 1d4 points of Constitution damage each day they go without exposure to sunlight.
Dragonic Scion: Solarborn retain a modicum of their creators’ essence. For effects related to race they count as both monstrous humanoids and dragons for effects related to race (with the exception of the draconic disciple prestige class). They also gain a +1 bonus on charisma checks when communicating in Draconic. This bonus does not apply against other Solarborn.
Languages: Solarborn start with Common and Draconic, and Solarborn with high Intelligence may learn any languages they want (with the exception of secret languages).
Alternate Racial Traits
Eye for Talent: Solarborn have great intuition for hidden potential, and some are very adept at judging other's potential. They gain a +2 racial bonus on Sense Motive checks. In addition, when they acquire an animal companion, bonded mount, cohort, or familiar, that creature gains a +2 bonus to one ability score of the character’s choice. This trait replaces Prehensile Tail and Vestigial Wings.
Solar Blood: These Solarborn are more in touch with their raconic heritage. Solarborn Sorcerers and Bloodragers with the Draconic Bloodline count their Charisma as 2 points higher for all Sorcerer and Bloodrager class abilities. They may also use Solar Dragons as options for their Draconic Bloodline (Type: Solar, Energy type Fire, Breath Shape 60ft Line) and in the Form of the Dragon spell (60ft line of fire, Resist Fire 20, No Breath). This trait replaces Fire Resistance and Breath Weapon.
Lunarborn: Not getting enough warm light of the sun in their eggs has done strange things to these solarborn, beginning with hatching during nocturnal hours. Lunarborn crawl out of their egg with silvery-white scales, as opposed to solarborn’s standard golden-orange. They lack their kin’s dependence on sunlight, their ability to rapidly heal wounds, and several of their draconic abilities, but they gain strange new abilities, and their minds are much colder, more calculating than normal Solarborn. Their ability score modifiers are +2 Str, +2 Int, -2 Cha. Their fire resistance changes to cold resistance. In addition, they gain Psychic Magic: 5 PE- detect psychic significance (0 PE), mind thrust I (1 PE), mindlink (1 PE), mental barrier I (2 PE). This modifies the solarborn’s ability score modifiers and Fire Resistance, and replaces Solar Healing, Breath Weapon, and Light Dependant.
Edit: cleaned up the formatting
Several aspects of the Skinwalker race were revised for Inner Sea Races. Some big ones were that they no longer have a limited number of charges per day, their languages were qualified, the Scaleheart's fluff and ability modifiers were changes, the Ragebred's ability score modifiers were changed, and the Nightskulk's distraction ability was nerfed.
Now the only change I have issue with is the Scaleheart changes (in BotM they were said to be coldhearted schemers with a hierarchy enforced by fear, in ISR they are just another brutish race and they are said to hail from the Sodden Lands and the Shackles rather than Mwangi rivers and Thuvia). In my campaign I have several of skinwalkers as PCs; should I treat this as an errata as a whole, or take it as an update with the exception of the racial modifiers, and do what PFS did and make it treat them as alternate racial qualities?
There's really four sections for housing in the city. 1) Old Laqueta, which is small and populated by the upper class (who don't have their own private airships and docks), the Manifold, which is the wood and steel rigging holding the entire city together (biggest section), the Shell, the near-vertical outside of the old city which is where flight-capable races live (harpies, made into a player race in this setting, are a fairly large minority in the city, about 5000 strong), and the carrier-towns, where the really low-class live. Those support at least a third of the population on their own.
Funny you mention feather fall, since minor magic items are a major industry in New Laqueta. Specifically, there is at least one sweatshop that churns out talismans of beneficial winds, a normally 50-gold piece item that is an expendable feather fall item. Richer families go for the greater one that is 1/day, or even spring for snapleafs.
Actually, I'm pretty sure it's just Goods that need to be changed. Perhaps changing them so that they are more valuable overall; doubling both their purchased and earned price, which would make them more effective. Using that logic, we could also bump up Influence, which works in favor of what ai wanted, a vast uncaring city that is hard to affect. They still work the same, just are more costly investments, also slightly devaluing labor and magic (two resources which are common as you mentioned for the former, surprisingly attainable for the latter).
They are, and they are things I have considered. All said, tripling the cost of living amounts and food prices seems fair enough. What I'm more interested in, though, is how to handle the downtime system. Do I make it harder to get capital, or do I inflate the costs of things on a case-by-case basis?
The city does move, and is in fact a hub of airship trade. Food is mostly imported through a bidding process from settlements around the world to determine the flight path. I am very aware of the crime as well, and the various gangs will feature heavily into the early campaign. Water isn't really a problem because of magical measures, but food is a highly motivating resource. As for the city's reception, I mentioned bidding; the ship is generally banned from traveling too close to civilization, due to a superweapon built into the city.
You can generally assume I have acknowledged aspects of the flying city; what I really need help with is figuring out how to deal with costs of things in the city.
So I'm gearing up for an urban campaign. The setting is a flying metropolis, New Laqueta, cobbled together from various flying debris and structures: a flying city a la Laputa, a Cloud Castle, many derelict airships, several helicarriers... Pretty much a 40K space hulk, but in the sky. And colonized.
I've figured the city has a population of around 30,000, and is fairly densely packed. So much so that I have been considering inflating the cost of living values and/or the capital system from the Downtime system. Simply put, I want players to struggle early game to get a foothold in the city; as they start making a name for themselves and accomplishing greater and greater things, it will get easier.
Anyone have any advice or guidance?
The Necromantic Servant focus power seems to be a nifty little ability, but I have several questions on how it works. The text at the beginning does not state a range; combining it with what it does, I would have to assume it actually animates a corpse already interred. However, nearly everything else suggests you are creating/summoning the servant, from the duplication ability to limited features (only human skellies/zombies).