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Gol Phyllain wrote:
After some very enjoyable tower pvp with TSV...
We felt the same way!
You may have noticed I personally got a little confused when I finally got there and was charging in right as y'all all unflagged. I was still trying to process what happened when you killed me. Eventually figured out y'all had capped the Tower and closed the PvP window. I need more experience with stuff like that so I don't freeze up when I don't understand what's going on :)
The main reason to buy PFO right now is if you believe in the vision and want Goblinworks to have the time and resources they need to continue development.
The game can be a lot of fun if you're hooked up with a vibrant community, but it's pretty rough around the edges and is different enough from other MMOs that it will take some serious effort to understand how things work.
Neadenil Edam wrote:
Sspitfire has indeed left the game. Real life issues made it a necessity. He just wanted to finish what he'd started with the guide before making a clean break.
Neadenil Edam wrote:
A lot of shouting at the library trainer going on there. Nice library and lovely shrubberies, well done.
And yeah, I was trying to clear some stuff off my chat window before taking a screenshot, and the /shareknow emotes seemed appropriate.
BTW, does everyone else know you can add punctuation to most of those emotes to subtly change them?
KitNyx - February 20th, 2012 wrote:
They agreed that they wanted, eventually, to found a town dedicated to the collection and distribution of knowledge. All the gods which revered knowledge and education would have temples, or at least elaborate shrines, and in the center of town would be a library to rival the greatest of legend. This effort would insure their place in the afterlife.
After more than three years, The Seventh Veil has finally achieved, in part, one of our most enduring goals. We have built a library near Phaeros! This was an intensely satisfying event, and we want to thank Goblinworks again for inspiring us to such dreams and for giving us the sandbox that is letting us bring them to life.
Gol Tabomo wrote:
Couldn't Phaeros and AGC come to an agreement that doesn't necessarily bind EBA and EoX?
Sure we could, as long as Phaeros didn't promise anything about how other EBA members would act, and AGC didn't promise anything about how other EoX members would act.
But frankly, I'd rather fight AGC (and Golgotha) than make deals with them. I mean, I'd prefer it if the game systems were ready for it, but still, having enemies to fight is good.
I still laugh every time I think back on Guurzak yelling "SURPRIZE INSPEKTION!" That's the kind of thing that makes the game fun. Fighting over Towers can be fun. Running around killing everyone in sight isn't fun for me, but it's not really "wrong" either. Although, it is probably one of those things that, if it gets done "too much", would be really bad for the game overall.
Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
I'm still not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but I notice that Bluddwolf favorited your post.
Your original comment sounded to me like you were crediting Andius with The Seventh Veil's will to fight. Re-reading it now, I see that you were probably saying that most of the denigration came from Andius.
... you explain that Phaeros is not bound by agreements made by said alliance?
That's not true. The agreement you're referring to was never ratified by the Everbloom Alliance.
Escalations are not limited...
Phaeros does not farm Escalations outside of EBA Territory unless invited. We have primary responsibility for four Monster Hexes inside EBA Territory. As such, they are a limited resource and need to be properly managed.
Thanks for presenting me the opportunity to clear up those misconceptions.
The Everbloom Alliance is friendly to strangers and helpful to all. We welcome visitors and are happy to talk to anyone interested in operating in our area. Generally, we're happy to let folks harvest or join us to fight escalations, but those resources are limited and therefore they need to be properly managed.
Known enemies in EBA Territory will be killed without any questions unless they've arranged for a proper escort first. It should be fairly easy to identify the folks on the forums who are "known enemies" :)
It is very regrettable that a communication breakdown allowed Golgotha to assume that Phaeros was a party to that agreement. Perhaps we can all learn a lesson from this.
Taking Towers is the only positive-gameplay tool we have in our toolbox right now.
We took one Tower from AGC because they were deliberately provoking us by ignoring our territorial claims on multiple counts. We defended it (without TEO, thanks) one night, then lost it (again, without TEO) the next.
That you chose to turn that into a scorched earth, all-out WAR against us and all of our allies was your choice. That you've continued that WAR despite the fact that we've once again unilaterally cooled things off is also your choice. That you're taking every opportunity to try to drive a wedge between us and our allies is, I suppose, understandable, but still transparent.
Gol Phyllain wrote:
You two tend to ignore things you cant refute.
I've just learned how futile it is to try to refute the likes of you and Bluddwolf with facts and links to quotes. All that happens is I get mocked for providing links to quotes.
My friends have given me really good advice about only engaging the folks who are actually worth engaging - which is why I generally try to respond to Guurzak - but I'm deeply flawed and still have trouble actually following that advice.
People don't behave in ways that are contrary to their nature. You guys were running around killing everyone you could in the very beginning of Alpha. Trying to pretend that The Seventh Veil somehow drove you to that point now is ridiculous. I think you've always wanted to be murder hobos. I think that's why Pax made their first alliance with Bluddwof. I think that's why why Pax made their second "not an alliance, for realz" with Bluddwolf. And I think that's why you're getting all the groups who also very clearly wanted to be murder hobos (looking at you AGC) to join you.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
The loss of towers will eventually hinder even non combatant ability to train, and so it harms them as well.
The Seventh Veil's policy is don't kill random players. If we don't know you're an enemy, we leave you alone. Everyone who is harmed by the loss of Towers in this war is a known enemy.
Gol Guurzak wrote:
Side A refuses to agree to any terms of war, and then starts a war.
Side A (Phaeros, duh) refused to agree to any specific terms which would bind us to inaction in the face of hostility. As a result, when AGC took hostile acts, we reacted with a measured, proportional response. We took one Tower specifically from the Company that had been making hostile acts in EBA territory. We successfully defended that one Tower the next night, then unsuccessfully defended it the next night. None of that activity involved TEO/Brighthaven. At that point, since the hostile acts from AGC had stopped (as near as we could tell) we were content to let things cool off again. But in an all-hands EBA meeting, a large force from Golgotha came into EBA territory and started killing everyone they could find.
You can say we "started" it all you want, but just keep in mind there are quite a few people in the audience with enough reading comprehension and general judgment to get a feel for the truth.
Its almost like T7V claimed they were going to try and keep non-combatants safe in an open PVP game, spent two years being called naive carebears on the forums, and are now accomplishing exactly what they said their goals were all along.
That's part of it. The biggest part of it is creating a place where PvP-averse players can feel comfortable easing into PvP at their own pace. Yes, Golgotha is doing everything they can to ensure we fail at that by deliberately trying to focus as much of the "roughest form of PvP" (Lee's words) on those PvP-averse players to punish them for daring to join us. Yes, we're going to do everything we can to make Golgotha pay for that over the long term. They may feel like they don't need Reputation or Training or Support right now, while the whole server is kinda stuck in the middle of Tier 2, but I'm fairly confident that won't always be the case and they've got a snowball's chance in hell of ever knowing peace with Phaeros again.
Gol Phyllain wrote:
... if we leave for a different game?
That's the crux of it, isn't it?
You'll lie about us, mock us, twist everything we say or do, and if we beat you, you (deniably) threaten to quit the game and accuse us of driving away players. You're a broken record.
Gol Phyllain wrote:
You really need to make up your mind man. Did we have a ceasefire or didn't we?
Well, we stopped shooting didn't we?
But we never agreed to any specific terms, and we never would have agreed to any specific terms that were in direct contradiction with publicly announced Everbloom Alliance policy.
Phaeros doesn't farm Escalations outside of EBA Territory unless we're invited. You must be thinking of someone else.
TEO Cheatle wrote:
Next time we make an agreement it will have to be in writing, as to be clear, concise, and no confusion.
During the last war with Golgotha, Cheatle started talking to them about a cease fire. As soon as we heard that was happening, Phaeros unilaterally cooled things off and stopped attacking Golgotha, but we made it explicitly clear to Cheatle that we would not agree to any specific terms because we knew Golgotha would twist them and use them to their own advantage.
If Golgotha believed the announced Everbloom Alliance position on our Territory didn't apply to them, then that's on Golgotha. Taking "hostile actions" during a cease fire is generally considered a breaking of the cease fire.
Savage Grace wrote:
People don't want to PvP...
Having been personally accused of "not wanting to PvP" for years on these forums, when it was never true and despite my best efforts to illuminate the truth, I'm skeptical of this.
I think a lot of the people playing PFO are not interested in random player killing, and rightly recognize that PFO was marketed as a game that will have "a negative feedback loop that links random killing to gimping character development".
The fact that the game has developed a culture that's intolerant of certain types of degenerative behavior is good. The fact that Phaeros was able to generate some meaningful PvP last night when we defended the Tower we took from AGC (who was consistently violating our sovereignty in Everbloom Alliance Territory by both establishing a Base Camp and attacking Escalations) is good. The fact that some of the groups who have been written off as "anti-PvP" fought side-by-side with us while we did so is good.
People don't want meaningless PvP. People don't want PvP that deliberately targets inexperienced players around starter areas. But that doesn't mean they don't want PvP.
Don't be a jerk, Bluddwolf.
In the meantime, I'm going to take a "best guess" as to what those mappings are so we can do a fresh data load for the Goblinary.
Looks like this isn't going to work. The Advancement data seems to be completely missing for the new Attacks. I've asked Lee to add that data to the spreadsheets, and I've asked Stephen about the mapping column he mentioned.
Hopefully, we'll be able to get this resolved soon.