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Green Smashomancer wrote:
Not sure what swords of dubtlety are, but is the high AC you have from Rogue class features, or GP? I can't think of any besides the Offensive Defense talent, and even that isn't much. Also, how is the lay of the map during your combats? Are there a lot of small rooms where full attacks are easy to come by?
He means swords of subtlety.
Chris Lambertz wrote:
Removed some derail about real world religion. Let's keep this centered about Golarion and be cool to each other, please.
Wow, you didn't remove "some derail", you removed all the posts of everyone who replied to it, regardless if they had anything to do with real world religion or not.
Theodor Snuddletusk wrote:
Thanks for showing exactly what is so wrong with torture. You want to use it to get confessions when you can't prove anything. Welcome to the witch hunts. You can make anyone say anything through torture. You can make anyone sign a confession that they are an archdevil in human disguise if you torture them long enough. Torturing for confessions is the exact opposite of a "necessary evil". Your inquisitor is lawful evil. Period.
Am I seeing it right that inquisitors and druids are excluded from getting the Divine Protection feat?
The feat says:
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Knowledge (religion) 5 ranks,
Clerics have the domains class feature. Inquisitors have the domain class feature. (For that it doesn't matter if the Inquisitor chooses a domain or an inquisition since the class feature remains the same and is not identical with domains.) Druids have the nature bond class feature which can grant a domain but still isn't domains.
Is everything correct or did I overlook something? (Until today I believed that Spring Attack and Vital Strike could be combined, so I'm wary now.)
Okay, this question might be stupid but I just looked at the Swashbuckler for the first time (since I don't like Renaissance stuff in my sword & sorcery and one of his parent classes is gunslinger I ignored him so far), do I understand it right, that as long as he has 1 Panache point and is of the appropriate level Kip-Up, Menacing Swordplay, Precise Strike, Swashbuckler Initiative, Swashbuckler's Grace, Superior Feint, Evasive, Subtle Blade, Perfect Thrust and Swashbuckler's Edge are all passively active?O_O Meaning at level 20 he gets +20 on all damage rolls and has Evasion and Improved Uncanny Dodge all the time?
From what I read about Rahadoum they expelled all faiths because the land was being torn apart by religious wars. And in Pathfinder morality isn't a matter of philosophy but absolute. It can be magically detected, used to smite foes etc. If you flog a Cleric for healing a dying child you commit an evil act, and if you do it often enough your alignment will shift towards evil. And if you die you will end up on one of the not-so-nice outer planes with devils, demons or daemons who won't give a hoot about your philosophy.
Well, the big problem with that is, that divine magic is neither real-world religion nor high-fructose corn syrup, it's awesome. Basically in Rahadoum if a Cleric sees how a child run over by a carriage he is forbidden to cast a healing spell, even if the child is dying. If he does it anyway he'll be "fined, flogged, shamed, deported/exiled, or imprisoned for some length of time". What is more evil than punishing good deeds?
I think there are plenty of hints that it's not just her father over-reacting. The bards seem to think that it's a big deal that the flames she produces are not arcane magic (if they were okay with druids that wouldn't be as important, also according to the campaign setting famine and plagues are among the bigger problems of Rahadoum and nature worship is a religion too.) And he actually tells her to run before the Pure Legion gets her. IMHO they are extremists who wouldn't make a difference between between any divine spellcasters.
Mainly because a cleric still worships another deity. It is weird to me that you could worship yourself but I guess it could happen.
Well, I wouldn't consider that case to be "worshipping" yourself but just being able to power your own divine spells. Also it would be a bit boring if clerics became copies of their gods, I'd prefer it like with Tempus and the Red Knight, that you become an exarch of your god and take care of parts of his portfolio he neglects.
Since Divine Source is basically about becoming a god (and every character regardless of class can take it) that would be a pretty bad nerf for clerics. Why should a divine spellcaster who is becoming a god in his own right be worse off than a barbarian or rogue?
None for the paladin class, but the Champion of the Faith (warpriest archetype) gets smite and detect evil. This isn't restricted to LG and only requires the character to share part of their alignment with one of Chaos, Evil, Good, or Law (chosen at creation). This character would also be able to grab a new feat that adds CHA to saves.
Dammit, I finally got about my smite-envy got detect any alignment through the Inquisitor and now you need that for the best thing those lawful goodies have left? :D
Insain Dragoon wrote:
Ironic that I'm planning an Inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer)/Warpriest gestalt. Best of both worlds. :D
Thanks, that seems insanely powerful. But I guess that's what Mythic is about.
Landon Winkler wrote:
Hm, I'm actually thinking about a build with Vital Strike (Mythic), Impossible Speed and Spring Attack. The only issue I have with it is that you only have one shot per round and waste it on a miss. But that's the way it was in Star Wars Saga Edition unless you spend a huge amount of feats and class abilities and the character could cast true strike...
Thanks for the replies. :-)
Alright I'm going to take a stab at this. First thing is that I understand greatly your frustration with the book. As much as I love mythic tiers I feel it needs at least another revision. Okay with that out of the way on to business.
I agree, I'm a big fan of mythic (my first fantasy literature were basically Ilias, Odyssee and Aeneas) but the mythic rules could do with a few better explanations especially where the interaction of different abilities are concerned.
The 1st one is a tier 3 while the 2nd is tier 6, also one specifically says it while the later doesn't so from both of those facts I would indeed say the tier 6 one is indeed total maximum unlike the 3rd tier one.
Thanks. It just seemed strange that it is so much more powerful (maximized weapon damage on critical hit vs. auto-confirm and all damage maximized on crits, even if you have to take it twice.) But since pretty much everyone I showed it to agrees. :D
Legendary Item Undetectable? SRM? Sorry, I'm afraid you lost me there.
Which is precisely why I am worried. Would a holy symbol tattoo work, hidden under clothes or maybe displaying another symbol while the real one is a small charm or trinket I wear or attached to my weapon?
I think there is a trait that gives you a birthmark that can be used as a holy symbol. Otherwise I would go to the GM with your concept. Depending on what he and your god think about it he might allow something special like using a fake holy symbol or one of another god that is modified so that it displays characteristics of your god that are not immediately visible. Holy symbols don't have really detailed or logical rules. For example yesterday I found a feat that allows a divine spellcaster to turn his weapon or shield into a holy symbol. I don't get what keeps me from just nailing my holy symbol to my shield.
I searched for an answer but didn't find anything official or convincing, so here's what confuses me:
Maximized Critical (Ex): Whenever you score a critical hit, the weapon's damage result is always the maximum possible amount you could roll. This doesn't affect other dice added to the damage, such as from sneak attack or the flaming weapon special ability. For example, if you score a critical hit with a longsword (1d8/×2), treat the sword's damage dice as if you had rolled 8 both times, then add any other damage bonuses that you would normally apply to a critical hit.
That's a nice ability, especially for the new warpriest. However, Critical Master looks like this:
Critical Master (Ex): Whenever you roll a critical threat against a non-mythic creature, you automatically confirm the critical hit and deal the maximum amount of damage to that creature. This ability can be selected twice. The second time it is selected, it also applies to mythic creatures.
What is that supposed to mean? Are all dice maximized? For a rogue with sneak attack that would be insanely powerful. Is it supposed to mean weapons damage dice only? Then why doesn't it say so? Sure, you have to take it twice, but then it would make Maximized Critical completely obsolete.
Hello, I'm currently thinking about a mythic build and a bit confused about a few things so I'd like to know if I understand everything correctly.
Beyond Morality (Ex): You have no alignment. You can become a member of any class, even one with an alignment requirement, and can never lose your membership because of a change in alignment. If you violate the code of ethics of any of your classes, you might still lose access to certain features of such classes, subject to GM discretion. Attempts to detect your alignment don't return any results. If a class restricts you from casting spells with an alignment descriptor, you can cast such spells without restrictions or repercussions. If you're the target of a spell or effect that is based on alignment, you're treated as the most favorable alignment when determining the spell's effect on you. Any effects that alter alignment have no effect on you. If you lose this effect, you revert to your previous alignment.
Divine Source (Su): You can grant divine spells to those who follow your cause, allowing them to select you as their deity for the purposes of determining their spells and domains. Select two domains upon taking this ability. These domains must be alignment domains matching your alignment if possible, unless your alignment is neutral. You grant access to these domains as if you were a deity. Creatures that gain spells from you don't receive any spells per day of levels higher than your tier; they lose those spell slots. In addition, you can cast spells from domains you grant as long as their level is equal to or less than your tier. Each day as a spell-like ability, you can cast one spell of each level equal to or less than your tier (selecting from those available to you from your divine source domains). If you're a cleric or you venerate a deity, you may change your spell domains to those you grant others. At 6th tier and 9th tier, you can select this ability again, adding one domain and two subdomains (see the Advanced Player's Guide) to your list each time and adding their spells to the list of those that you can cast.
1) As I understand it, if I choose Beyond Morality first I can freely pick my first two domains but don't get any associated subdomains (even though people who worship the character could still take them). If I choose Divine Source first as a chaotic good character I get the Chaos and Good domains and keep them even after choosing Beyond Morality.
2) Even though it's not explicitly stated I guess it is intended for the second and third time you take Divine Source to get a domain and the two associated subdomains.
3) Can you grant spells to yourself? Since Divine Source mentions the possibility that you can exchange your old domains for the ones you are granting others that seems to be a fair question. Also you can grant a total of 4 domains and 4 subdomains. The rule kind of sounds like you get them all in exchange for your old domains, even though it is explicitly forbidden to have both a domain and one of its subdomains. (That last part luckily doesn't concern me since it's a Warpriest/Inquisitor gestalt but I'm still curious).
4) What happens if one of your clerics (or other divine spellcasters) breaks your code of conduct? Do you know instantly? When he prays for spells the next time? Not at all until you find out?
Cha and Wis are incredibly easy. You just have to let them make their Diplomacy, Bluff, Intimidate, Sense Motive etc. checks. The player may not believe that the halfling in front of him is a hill giant who is cloaked by an illusion and could stomp him flat. But if the halfling rolled higher on Bluff (in spite of the penalties to such a blatant lie) than the player on Sense Motive his character will believe it and that's what he has to play.
While reading this thread I got a strange idea (because the same rules ruined a concept for a gestalt I had, a Tiefling paladin/sorcerer gestalt with the abyssal bloodline who uses his "Added Summonings" ability to summon demons and forces them to help him). How would it be to address those issues through the trait system by adding special dispensations that add small exceptions like "You are allowed to cast healing spells with the [evil] descriptor", "You are allowed to cast summon monster spells with the [evil] descriptor" or "You are allowed to lie" (for undercover paladins)? As long as you limit it to one and don't allow anything over the top like "You are allowed to kill innocents to prove your loyalty to cults you are infiltrating" it could work.
Having a paladin fall serves almost no purpose except to destroy your campaign and make your players hate you. 'Punishment' mechanics have no place in RPGs.
In that case you should just scrap the paladin and all divine classes that can lose their powers. If you play one you accept to play by the rules of the god you worship and follow the code of conduct. In that regard being a paladin, inquisitor, cleric or whatever is pretty much like a pact with a devil. If you break it there'll be hell to pay. RPG's should never be about choosing the most fun ability sets but about consequences.
What you describe sounds more like the old (lawful evil) Paladin of Tyranny from Unearthed Arcana. The anti-paladin's code of conduct doesn't leave much room for goodness:
"An antipaladin must be of chaotic evil alignment and loses all class features except proficiencies if he willingly and altruistically commits good acts. This does not mean that an antipaladin cannot take actions someone else might qualify as good, only that such actions must always be in service of his own dark ends. An antipaladin's code requires that he place his own interests and desires above all else, as well as impose tyranny, take advantage whenever possible, and punish the good and just, provided such actions don't interfere with his goals."
There doesn't have to be a spark in the beginning. There can be events that show him that he's on the wrong track to get whatever his reason to become evil was.
Every time, and I mean EVERY.SINGLE.TIME I've seen or played in a story where a paladin falls, and the next thing he does is become an anti-paladin I've done nothing but facepalm and groan in disbelief. So I'd advice you use the 3-step program I call Paladin->Fighter->Anti-Paladin... or in your case: the other way around.
Star Wars Episode III must have been very painful for you.
It's a shame that Pathfinder doesn't have an updated holy liberator class, switching to the opposite alignment bothers me. In my opinion the first thing you should do is get the motivation of the anti-paladin. You have to know why he chose to be evil to tempt him away from it. Lust for power? Forced into the role like a Mord Sith? Did he go "let the world burn" after he was betrayed? Each would need other ways of convincing him that good is the better choice.
Imprisonment depends on length and condition. If someone bound to a chair has to be afraid that you just left him there and no one will ever find him, or he's forced to soil himself because he can't go to the toilet you have crossed the line. However, you should remember that you usually don't switch alignment for a single act. Neutral characters can get away with the occasional evil act, if it stays occasional and they also do good deeds.
Beheading someone who tries to surrender is definitely an evil act that would make a Paladin fall like a sack of rice.
That it was inspired by Les Mis doesn't mean it was meant to be exactly Les Mis. Les Mis may have led to "We should do revolutionary France", which led to Galt.
Les Miserables would be more postrevolution as far as I can tell, but maybe it was the the reason for including something France-like and then someone thought that the revolution would be more interesting.
You changed two important details; instead of (white) humans, hobbits, elves and dwarves, you now have Nubians. And instead of orcs who could walk around the real world on Halloween or at a con no problem, you have giants who are distinctly inhuman.
You only asked for the good races to be dark-skinned. The only good race in my idea are black humans. You asked for the villains to be pale-skinned, that's also satisfied (and I wouldn't have a problem with Transylvanian vampires, Viking plunderers or whatever either). Tolkien originally wanted to create myths for England, so obviously people in Middle Earth looked like Englishmen.
As I already wrote, you will not get anyone with the power to do something to care. Unless North Korea starts expanding or they find huge deposits of oil, diamonds or rare earths that NK doesn't want to share peacefully nothing will happen.
Just throwing something in here: Who wears his magic items permanently? People have to bath sometimes, maybe don't want to sleep in armor regardless which stats it boosts, use a disguise, wear fine clothes for the duke's dinner etc. If you interpret the rule like that you will almost never have a permanent ability score bonus, unless you roleplay like killstealrovr9000 from WoW.
I would interpret "Ability score increases with a duration of 1 day or less give only temporary bonuses." as the bonus being counted as permanent as long as it's duration may exceed 24 hours. If you put on a belt of giant's strength the bonus is permanent until dispelled (namely taking off the belt) so it's a permanent bonus. Otherwise you better don't use it to hold your pants in place or you nerf yourself by going to the toilet.:D
The gestalt rules specifically forbid eldritch knight, mystic theurge and arcane trickster.
Unless your GM is out to slaughter the party you should do what you are most comfortable with. If you want a swordmaster who can even hold his own in an antimagic field and only want to enhance it with a few flashy spells fighter is for you. If you want to go nuts on the magical side wizard or that sorcerer bloodline that lets you cast with int are best.
The linothorax is another headache. According to this guy it offered the same protection as 2mm of bronze armor at 1/3 of the weight. Which, professor or not, doesn't explain why richer hoplites invested into a bronze breastplate if it only weighted them down. Maybe I would go with hide armor.
That's interesting, was there any type of armor that was considered inferior to it? When I look at it I kind of have the feeling that I would rather wear boiled leather around most of my torso.
Thanks for the armor stats, would you make it medium armor?
Well, this site calls them pectoral or simple breastplate, even though I would agree about the stats. It kind of looks like they didn't expect people trying not to hit it...O_o