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James Jacobs wrote:
Neat! Thank you. :)
Ms. Pleiades wrote:
I find the best way to make PCs play nice with NPCs is to have the NPC casually use up a very high level spell on something very trivial.
Lich: "Hello Adventurers, welcome to my realm. I apologize, please forgive my lack of hospitality, would you care for refreshment?*Casts Wish, copying Unseen Servant to float a tray of drinks and hors d'oeuvres over to the PC's.
Lich: "The stuffed veal cutlets are really quite good."
Thank you for pointing that out. You are obviously smarter than me and think of things that the God of Economics would already have covered as he is also smarter than me. Yay retroactively intelligent gods!!!
I'm having this horrible idea where the God of Economics gets upset at spellcasters and decides to mess with them by making a deal with the God of Stone to create massive quantities of diamonds and flood all markets with them, dropping their value into the dirt. Hell, they might even wind up replacing the world's currency due to their resilience and abundance.
Blake, you assume that the issue is of a player being unhappy with the circumstance. It could very easily be a matter of the character being unhappy with the fact that they are no longer the race they used to be. The player might actually be enjoying it in their own way despite roleplaying their character as hating the current circumstance and being willing to take rather extensive steps to remedy it. Now, I could be absolutely wrong about this, I don't believe the OP has mentioned what the actual feelings of the player are on this, so I may be incorrect.
Personally, I like the "Quest for a gem valuable enough." It doesn't cause the party to take a hit to their WBL, and allows for a little more world expanding and creativity. There might be some problems, but as long as the other players are okay with going along with it, (because their characters hate seeing their friend in anguish over his new form, and also maybe out of guilt for doing it to him) I see no real issue. The GM might even use this side quest to introduce a new plot hook to drive the main story further.
I had an idea for the end of Divinity Drive. The PCs defeat Unity, collapse Godmind, maybe even make Casandalee an Iron God. But Unity doesn't actually die. He has an emergency escape plan: launch himself out into space in a secondary computer core. The thing is, he has even less power than he did in Silver Mount: his divine power doesn't even reach an inch beyond his physical CPU, and even if he was installed in another computer further down the line, he would never again be able to regain his mythic powers to full strength. In essence: he is permanently neutralized...
Unity: Space space wanna go to space. Space. Space space wanna go to space yes please space. Space space. Go to space. What's your favorite thing about space? Mine is space. Gotta go to space. Gonna be in space. SPAAACCCCCE!
James Jacobs wrote:
Oooooohh, I can't wait! ^.^
Indeed. I'm just throwing out ideas that PC's might think up that the AP might not account for. And besides, it could be an interesting idea for Unity's control over Ozmyn, and Ozmyn's status as a willing pawn to be suppressible, but only briefly, ultimately leaving his status as an antagonist unchanged.
You beat me to the damage question. I would still probably have rocket launchers only in the hands of the gearsmen who are on the wall of the Technic League compound, and maybe one in every few squads of gearsmen in the streets once the PC's gain enough notoriety. Honestly, I don't think even the Chaotic Evil Technic League are going to arm their standard robotic peacekeeping squads with enough artillery to level a city block (and that's assuming only 2 shots per launcher). And they definitely wouldn't allow such explosive weaponry to be used inside the compound itself where all their toys and experiments are kept. I'd probably replace their ranged option with stun guns, to be replaced by timeworn laser pistols once notoriety gets high enough.
It might be theoretically possible to disrupt Unity's influence over Ozmyn at least temporarily by placing him in an Anti-Technology Field AND an Anti-Magic Field. Anti-Tech will shut down Unity's devices, and Anti-Magic will prevent him from teleporting away, while also removing any control Unity might have placed through its divine power. This way the party might at least be able to attempt interrogation until one of the fields wears off and Unity reinstates control. One question is how will Ozmyn view his relationship with Unity once the Iron God is no longer in his head?
Thug- Those're a lot of interesting ideas of how Harrigan might react to funding our about a hit on him. Honestly, he strikes me as a "Kill them all" kind of guy, but let it unfold how you wish. Make sure that Harrigan dies in some manner that will give the PC's a level of satisfaction at having solved a problem with outside the box thinking, be it having him murder through a score of assassins, surviving only by employing super paranoid precautions only to be brought down by a lucky blow (signifying that he really would have been a scary person to go head to head with), or by randomly dying in a humiliating fashion in front of his peers (letting them lol at his expense). I would try to avoid "he and his ship mysteriously vanished" as then they might be constantly thinking that he'll return later. How the learn of his death could be anything from a rumor in a tavern, to an ally learns of it, to a Red Mantis showing up to say "It is done.". Though that last gives them no details. But yeah, all kinds of fun to be had. I'd be excited to learn how this all goes down.
What about if Harrigan kills the Red Mantis assassin sent after him? That should give the PCs something to think about.
The PC's aren't likely to find out. If you're the greatest assassin organization in the world, you don't make a habit of letting your failures be known. On a related subject, the Red Mantis don't fail contracts. If a target kills an assassin, they send more assassins or a single much more skilled assassin. This may sound like a cannon fodder approach, but the least Red Mantis is a 6th level character, likely with years of training behind them. That character will lose a head on fight, but a coup de grace will kill just about anyone. In short, once the PC's hire a hit on Harrigan, he's a walking corpse, and soon a non-walking one.
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the consequences. Honestly, depending on when it happens, a lot could change. If it takes place before the fifth book, then Harrigan won't be around to sabotage the Captains' feast through the Eel. Also he won't attack their home island, which unfortunately means they won't have any incentive to assemble a fleet to rebuff the coming assault, leaving them potentially woefully unprepared for the coming storm of the Chelish fleet. However, this can also have positive effects as well, without her Patsy, the Admiral might not have gotten all of the information she needed to successfully navigate the Eye, leading to significant losses on the voyage through. She should still have enough to cut her predetermined swath through the Shackles, but possibly much shower than in the book. At your discretion, the PC's could learn about the creeping onslaught after Drenchport falls (possibly through one of their Free Captain allies) allowing them to start assembling a fleet to meet the threat. Play up the desperation and race against time elements of the situation and track the days, if they take too long preparing, they might lose Port Peril and then the whole game changes.
In that case, you seem to have things well in hand. :) I would make the price something more interesting than simply X-amount of gold/plunder. Like, "Go to this island and get this thing" to keep things moving and make it something that they have to devote time and effort to without the game becoming a grind.
I would recommend against this. 25 points of plunder can be a lot, but something to keep in mind is that the Red Mantis, once paid, don't stop until their mark is dead. They even go so far as to kill their mark again should they be resurrected, they've been doing this for a while and they WILL succeed. What's more is that fighting Harrigan is the climax of the 5th book and a major plot point that draws them into the final arc of the adventure. Setting the price high may make it less likely that they'd choose this option, but I know of some groups who would jump on that, even if it meant grinding for three sessions. This option is basically "If you wish to skip a chunk of the plot, you should pay this toll."
Vlad Koroboff wrote:
Care to explain that process? Or is it simply using Arcane Battery to funnel spells into the necessary charges?
James Jacobs wrote:
A laboratory uses its charges up over the day. You basically only need to "charge" a laboratory once per day via a generator. Whether or not you do that as one lump sum (and thus leave the generators with higher yields for the rest of the day) or split up over the day... that's up to you.
So, just making sure I understand, the book saying that the Smoke Furnace is only sufficient to half power the Military Lab and PC's will need to supply the other half themselves is incorrect?
Wait a minute, looking back over the rules in the Technology Guide... Generators produce their yield in charges per hour, but Labs only require the listed number of charges per day.
That might explain why pouring 20 charges into the Aurora's systems will allow it to power all the lights, the android foundry, the doors, the few functioning panels, and the Nanotech and Production labs (the two of which would draw a total of 200 charges per day should they both be in use), and would do all this for a month before being another 20 charges for the next month. Actually... Nope, I don't get it, how does it do that again?
But how does a lab drawing power from a reactor interact with it when the yield is lower than the daily requirement, but will easily meet this requirement over multiple hours?
Vlad Koroboff wrote:
I don't think the Smoke Furnace Can be reasonably disassembled and reassembled. Its weight isn't given, but owing to its power source being mini portals to the Elemental Plane of Fire, taking it apart could result in either exposing the heat of said plane, making transport of that particular part alone very difficult, or destabilizing the portals, causing them to shut and rendering the Furnace worthless.
Likewise the labs are full-on facilities made up of multiple built-in parts and machines not made to be removed from the lab, as should be evident by the labs needing power to be utilized.
As to the foundry....... Just. Say. No. Repairing it would give the PC's access to a machine that generates sentient beings. This, while potentially cool, could very easily derail the game in a number of different ways.
The anti-organic Android colony that would descend on Iadenveigh and murder it out of existence to get their hands on such a foundry. Or, ya know, the Technic League.
Unfortunately, I've played with people who don't consider such turnabout to be fair play and will complain loudly if it is employed. My solution is to just remove the obvious nuclear weapons before they can be used, and talk to players when and if they decide to invent new ones.
Maybe they visited the Elemental Plane of Adamantine. Or perhaps it's simply a completely unorthodox casting of Summon Greater Adamantine Cube.
Also, am I the only one who thinks that certain spells should be restricted from this AP? Specifically spells like Disable Construct and Feeblemind. Both are spells that would allow PC's to functionally one-shot a lot of otherwise scary enemies in the adventure. (Disable Construct against robots, Feeblemind for the Technic League.) And they're not simply save or lose, they're both "roll really high on the die or lose." I bring this up in the message board for Lords of Rust because Disable Construct is a spell that has a half-decent chance of allowing the party to just murder Hellion (for GM's who don't like to fudge the dice).
For the record:
Yes, I am aware that Hellion has Mythic Iron Will and would roll twice.
Acolyte of Mushu wrote:
I know there are no actual bonuses for skinning the mutant manticore and wearing its hide, but what would be a cool, minor flavor bonus for my PCs that could be added to the game without messing with mechanics? Also, any flavor repercussions, considering the manticore is mutant and irradiated.
Every day, save vs. Low radiation. ;p
Non-crazy Chaotic Evil you ask? Pathfinder. The Technic League. Very calculating, very intelligent, very chaotic, very evil. The alignment system says this organization should have imploded centuries ago, yet it remains because despite the evil and chaotic nature of its members they aren't crazy, they understand that patience and calculation can lead to advancement in the organization's ranks (usually by means of murdering someone and taking their stuff/position). Sounds kinda LE but they are labeled as CE, the organization is governed by chaos and evil, but in a cunning and clever fashion, anyone exhibiting stereotypical CE crazies has already been culled because they're likely to bring the League crashing down and its members' power base along with it.
James Jacobs wrote:
So just ignore completely. Got it. :)
So, I have a couple questions about the Rhu-Chalik.
2. Do sleeping characters get will saves to resist and would failing a save against Project Terror wake them up?
3. How close does it have to be for it to use Void Transmission?
Vlad Koroboff wrote:
Probably upwards of around 10,000+ charges, or something equally astronomical. It would probably have both a base land speed and burrow speed of around 100ish feet, with a max of 260 (30 mph). A reactor would be extremely unlikely because then Hellion would probably seek to fix and refuel it instead of charging its power cells. And depending on whether or not it remained submerged the whole time, the Technic League might never know about it until it hit the side of Silvermount. At which point it would probably be destroyed as the AP suggests that Hellion is drastically underestimating Silvermount's strength.
Oh oh oh! I have a solution!
Make Hellion look like a twisted vicious evil-looking chromatic dragon of indeterminate color. (i.e. It could be a red dragon with scales nearly fully blackened by scorch marks to make it perhaps a black dragon.) Meanwhile, Unity portrays itself as a proud majestic shimmering metallic dragon composed of all seven skymetals (and perhaps a few more). Play up Hellion's horrific appearance and, when the time comes, Unity's beatific one.
"But I don't have Charisma! Why're you hindering my character's story like that?!?! C'mon man, that's Bull****!!"
But I do agree.
Curses! He left before I could give my opinion. Oh well, it's at least somewhat relevant still...
I was once in a game (Godlike with GM augments) where I deliberately built a character to have a massive damage output. My character was designed to hit anything ever and if he hit it it turned into a fine red mist. I threw most of everything I had at that one singular goal, my defense didn't suffer, but my utility sure did, but that's fine, it's the character I wanted to play.
Sound cool? WELL...
There was another player in the party who rapidly outdid me and the rest of the group in 90% of all possible areas, including damage, defense, and utility. He had built a character that was so powerful that he massively outclassed me in every area that I had built my character to be amazing in.
The GM didn't mind.
Because of him, and my hyper-focused build, I very quickly stopped being relevant to anything in the game except as the guy who could maybe annoy enemies in combat (instead of, ya know, killing them) as did most other people in the group when combat happened.
So, speaking as someone who was a "weak" party member in that group, it is NOT fun to be lower level or power level than another PC. (Blah blah blah different classes are good at different things and that's dandy.) So yeah, I totally think that the beefy PC the OP's talking about should either be nerfed (with a civil conversation explaining why it should happen) or the other party members should be buffed to his power level. Honestly, I'm really interested in seeing this character because it sounds ridonkulus.