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Part of the fun here is getting your player characters to run without sleep for a bit. Make them a bit more worried about resources and perhaps dividing the party.

In my group, the bard was left to do the trial presentations while the wizard stays at the inn getting rest (if he had spells to recover) while the remaining characters went off to do exploration and investigation in town (tracking down the surgeon tools for example). It went reasonably well and doubly so because the player of the bard had to miss a few games in a row, so he didn't have to sit there watching everyone else do things.


He's actually talking about throwing a bomb on round one (while holding the bow in one hand), then on the second round taking a full attack with the bow.

The player was not trying to fire an arrow with the first iterative attack and throw a bomb with the second iterative attack within the same full attack action.


Drag and Bull Rush and Reposition all share two important factors:

First, they specifically say "opponent". Secondly, they are limited to 5 feet plus one square for every 5 points by which they exceed the CMD.

So, unless the wind elemental is amazingly awesome, it won't likely be able to budge the Barbarian and maybe it'll get the sorcerer to move a solid 10 feet.

Reposition also requires the target to remain in arm's reach during the movement, unsurprisingly.


I will also add that all the combat maneuvers say "a foe", such as "You can attempt to drag a foe" and "you can attempt to grapple a foe"


The argument appears to be that the wind elemental's turn involves playing deliveryman with the barbarian. Flyby attack specifically states you can take any standard action during the move, not actually limiting it to an 'attack'.

The plan as I understand it:

Elemental activates fly-by attack
During the movement, it comes adjacent to the Barbarian
It uses the free standard action to grapple Barbarian
It then continues moving, holding the Barbarian, past a bad guy
When it moves near the bad guy, the elemental uses a free action to release the grapple and drop the Barbarian.
On the Barbarian's turn, he uses full attack.

So the questions:

Can you choose not to resist a grapple attempt in order to be picked up?
If you are picked up and moved across the battlefield by an ally, do you provoke AOOs?
If you are then deposited next to a target on the carrier's turn, can you take a full attack on your turn?
Is there any other rule considerations for the plan described above?

The main issue I see is with the movement while grappled:

Moving someone you have grappled requires a second round check. On the first round, you grapple and are done. Next round, after you maintain the grapple, you may then choose to move the target. You move half your speed with the target and put them down in an adjacent square.

You cannot do this with flyby attack since you can't actually move before you take the standard action to maintain the grapple, and once you take that action you are bound by the rules of grapple to only half movement.

So in this case, the barbarian will spend a whole turn just sitting there waiting to be moved. It is a solution for getting somewhere the barbarian cannot reach, but it isn't exactly a good choice for action economy since he misses out on an attack (since he could have just charged in and attacked during the waiting round and then full attacked the next round).

He is also grappled during this, so if anyone attacks him he has all the standard issues of being grappled (primarily -4 Dex, so -2 AC).

As for the sorcerer:

Concentration Rules wrote:
Casting a spell while you have the grappled condition is difficult and requires a concentration check (DC 10 + the grappler’s CMB + the level of the spell you’re casting).

So that sounds kind of sucky for the sorcerer. Especially when they botch the roll. Also, as with the Barbarian, they are at -4 Dex while being carried around.

Just load up on archers and reflex save spells for a fight or two and teach them something about willful reduction of AC.


Likely yes for the core races (human, dwarf, half orc, etc). Not necessarily true for the advanced races (tengu, catfolk, others that got the extended treatment in the expansion book). Certainly not for the extra races (all the others from the race guide).


CR and encounter building is a pretty loose thing. Some players and their characters will have a problem with a normal fight and others need to have much harder fights to be any kind of challenge. As the GM, you want to start slow and get a feel for things.

If you send three goblins against the PCs and they kill the goblins in two turns and the PCs aren't even scratched by the fight, maybe try four goblins next time, then maybe four but with a stronger boss type one (so three CR 1s and a CR 2 or even 3).

It is also good to play with environment. An archer on a watchtower is a good choice; it is harder for the PCs to get to it. If he's standing behind some cover to fire, you would give him +2 AC if it is up to half his body, or +4 AC if it covers more than half.

The miss chance comes from it being hard to see the target (like if it is dark or raining heavily) while an increase in AC comes from more of the target being covered up (wooden blockades, firing from a window).

If the fight is too easy, you can also have a goblin patrol appear in the middle. Say you have 2 goblins with swords and 1 with a bow, like you said. The party makes quick work of the two goblins on the ground, you can have another two or three goblins walk in to the room and join the fight. This makes things feel exciting and fast moving. It is also fun to challenge your players tactically.

Just remember, the CR system is a recommendation. It is a guideline for determining a rough estimate of how hard a fight will be for a party. Your job as GM is to make a fun and exciting game; it is not to kill the PC with impossible fights.

Good Luck!


Yeah, you are not buying the +1 enchantment to add to your own stuff. You are going in and saying "that magic armor on the armor rack looks nice; I would like to buy and wear it". Then you sell them your old armor (half price) and put on the new magic armor +1.


I'd suspect it would take a form relative to your mystery in this case. Could just be a random humanoid (blacksmith for metal, soldier for battle, hunter for wood, robed cultist for dark tapestry, etc). You could probably create the description yourself.

As for the weapon it carries, I agree with Gauss.


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Ghost Touch scythes aren't all that big a deal. Only the Paladin can use it and it just means the weapon damage is full, not half... so like an extra 5-10 damage per hit.

If you're worried about the value of the treasure, since that's a +2 weapon at level 1, you could say the ghost-touch effect only works within the walls of the prison.


Hmm. So technically yes it does not in any place say that it only functions when grappling someone with your hands. The debate about such things as reasonable interpretation are varied and entirely 100% between you and the GM.


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The rules do not specify that you need two hands free to use a bomb. Just that it is a standard action to make and deliver it, and that throwing is the method used - so it requires at least one free hand.

It isn't a huge deal to let him toss a bomb while holding onto the bow; he can't do both in the same round and he has so few bombs a day, the range is so small, and it is about the only way he won't just stand 80 feet away from every fight firing arrows at stuff. So really, it is in your favor to let him do it that way. Anything that makes an archer stand closer to a fight is good for the GM.


The wording here doesn't really match the wording on freedom of movement. You don't make checks to escape if you have FoM; you can just say "You can't touch me" and you're free.

I'd say the mythic power expenditure allows the gloves to negate FoM for the initial grapple. Spending mythic power will also force the grappled person to make the check when they try to slip free. That seems to be the intent, anyway.

As for customizing it, well, that's always a bit tricky. Given the caveat that all specific magic items can only be customized with GM approval, the standard formula is to double the price if the item is slotless.


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Do you want the RAW or the RAI answer?

As Written, it is a 35 DC. Invisibility gives you a +20 and that's just that.

As Intended, it is a 15 DC. There's no reason invisibility would make you quieter.


From the moment they declare the move and when they are finally on a square without grease, they are considered to be using Acrobatics and are flatfooted. Furthermore, the wording on the skill suggests even if they fail and fall, they would be flat footed (at least as they fall).

The difficulty is that readied actions technically occur before the triggering action. The acrobatics check is required to move out of the square as well. You basically have two separate competing 'before the move' actions and that's going to be the GM's decision.

If one applies some consideration to the issue at hand, it is perfectly understandable that the goal is to attack after the acrobatics check but before they leave the square, so I'd allow it in my game. You could try to craft the readied action to be regarding them leaving the square, which cannot happen if they fail the test and thus must allow the attack after they pass the test.


Perhaps you can disguise it in another holy symbol or in a fancy design on your coat? I don't believe it actually glows or otherwise appears odd. Or perhaps get a permanent silent image overlay? Maybe invisibility? The usage of holy symbols in casting divine spells isn't 100% blatantly clear cut and can probably do with some GM interpretation.


It is a reduction of 10 feet, not really a percentage. A creature with 40 foot movement in heavy armor still moves 30 feet. I'd also stack it, so if he's got a 40 foot movement and armor and silts, his movement will be 20 feet.


Full Round attacks can be divided amongst any targets around you.

Furthermore, if you make a full round attack on someone and they die after attack #1, you can end the full round attack and take a move action. You may have declared a full round attack but you only took the effort equivalent to a standard action.


Seize the Moment would only work when the swashbuckler has improved critical. The swashbuckler only has improved critical when they are wielding such a weapon. So... no weapon, no improved critical, no seizing of the moment.


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Whatever your GM says it covers. Traditionally, Arcana would involve itself with magical facts and figures while History is historical events. So if you're trying to learn about the Great Magus Virraln and the vast kingdom he ruled thousands of years ago...

History would let you know things like where and when it existed, any particularly important stories exist, how scholars viewed its impact on society and culture at the time.

Arcana would let you know things about Virraln, how his magic worked, what he did with the magic, what branch(es) of magic he founded or used, if there were any great demons/demigods that he enslaved, and things like his Great Fire Gem Of Volcanic Summoning which he used to crush the enemies (it summoned a volcano that spat out fire elementals, really neat stuff).

There would be some overlap, of course. It is quite likely History would say he had a great magical weapon and Arcana would say he used it to conquer neighbors. However, History wouldn't know how it worked and Arcana wouldn't know which neighbors.

Other examples are for esoteric issues like the lost spell of planar destruction thought to be created by the First Wizard of Theearn. Given that it is some kind of spell, esoteric, believed to be mythical, and very long ago, History would have almost nothing to say on it. Historians wouldn't care. Arcanists though, they'd care. They'd teach about it and talk about it and search for it.


I haven't seen the book, so I can't be certain, but in general Oracles are non-deity divine casters. Certain mysteries align with certain deities better than others, but the whole idea with Oracles is that they are not required to follow a specific deity and are not bound by any laws of any particular deity. Oracles represent a direct connection to a concept, like battle, with which multiple gods are involved.

Now, it may be the book has certain rules about new mysteries and how they are managed, but traditionally (that is, no rules from previous books exist) none of the mysteries are actually restricted to specific gods.


My players went to see the vampire Lord, there was talking, they met all the other vampire nobles, and the nosferatu prisoner. He told them that he had knowledge about where the Whispering Way is and how they operate, but won't share it until they free him. When they spoke to the Lord, he said he'd free the Nosferatu if they can find out who is killing the city vampires.

After hunting down tailor and dealing with all that, they return with the details to the Vampire Lord. He admitted to guessing that was the case and that he had already freed the Nosferatu. He then held up a letter saying it came from the prisoner and contained what the PCs needed... but if they want it, they have to find out where the vampire bodies were going and stop the bloodbrew drug manufacturing at its heart.

So the players didn't really do much sleuthing. They decided to follow the plan where one of them pretended to be a victim in the park and then jumped the attacking vampires. They followed the mists back to the tailor's shop and attacked it immediately.

I think we had one session for the fight in the green house, one session to meet the Vampire Lord and learn everything there is to learn in his area, and one section to have the encounter in the park and fight in the tailor's shop (and one more to finish that fight and get nearly TPKed by witchfires at the abbey).

The core of it is that the players have to help the Vampire Lord because he knows where the Whispering Way went. So you can simply skip the middle part. When the players meet the Vampire Lord, have the meeting interrupted by the lead priest vampire. He tells the Lord that the tailor is the murderer, the Lord decides the PCs should be the strike team since they aren't vampires and if it goes poorly he can pretend he had nothing to do with it. He orders them to pull the thread (heh) starting at the tailor shop until they unravel the entire bloodbrew thing. If they do, he'll provide them information on where the Whispering Way is.

Then you can move the Nosferatu into the tailor shop as a prisoner to give the bit of extra "what are the witches trying to do" bit and provide more motivation to go take out the witches in hope of stopping them from making the elixir (as far as the Nosferatu knows, they were still trying to figure it out). He can also provide direction to the witches.


I presume there will be some because there will be normal archetypes. I suspect you can post the question to the Advanced Class Guide product discussion thread for a more focused answer.


I would say no, because the fiery shuriken are not mundane objects but actually magical spells. Same applies to shooting an acid arrow through a wind wall. The spells only require ranged touch attacks, have no range increments (the kind which apply penalties to the attack roll), and does fire damage (as opposed to weapon damage). I'd say the shurikens pass right through.


Ah, good to know. That's for pulling that up, fretgod99. I was pressed for time when writing my post and couldn't do the necessary searches.


Melkiador wrote:
MurphysParadox wrote:
Large weapons do not have any further reach than medium version of the same weapon. So, to answer your question, no. Theoretically, anything large enough to effectively extend into another ring of five foot squares would be unusual by any creature small enough not to already have such natural reach increase.
Could a medium wield a large lance in two hands while mounted, as you can can normally wield one in only one hand while mounted? Or how about a large bastard sword if you had the feat?

It depends. Is the weapon a two-handed weapon with the caveat that sometimes it can used one-handed? Or is it a one-handed weapon that is restricted to two weapons without a certain feat?

I believe the bastard sword is a two-handed weapon that can be held in one hand, which means a large bastard sword cannot be used in one or two hands by a PC. I am pretty sure I've read something on this and recommend further investigation into what the the Devs/FAQ/Mr. T-Rex has said on this topic.


Large weapons do not have any further reach than medium version of the same weapon. So, to answer your question, no. Theoretically, anything large enough to effectively extend into another ring of five foot squares would be unusual by any creature small enough not to already have such natural reach increase.


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The hesitancy comes from the ability to circumvent the natural drawback that is meant to balance out the benefit, namely an extend reach. I agree to a point; I would never let someone just use the longspear as a club for free but I would allow the Catch Off Guard feat to work in this case (making it a 1d6 improvised weapon). The reasoning is that I don't mind players avoiding drawbacks if they spend a feat to do so, be it catch off guard, imp. unarmed strike, exotic weapon prof, etc.


Yeah, my first post took 'worst' from the GM's point of view. As a player, I've definitely critted with snake eyes now and then and it is absolute sadness.


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We were playing a friend's very first dungeon. So, of course, when we found our way into a tunnel behind the throne room, the cleric just cast Transmute Stone To Mud and there was the boss. So the bad guy is some kind of fighter/wizard hybrid. He casts fly and moves into the air so he can better rain down spells upon us. The dwarf fighter gets fly and charges him through the air.

He hits with the dwarven waraxe. Crit. Confirmed. Roll Damage (2d6+10, x3) was 5 6 6 5 6 6 = 34 + 30 = 64. Fort save against massive damage: rolled a 2.

We killed the boss on the first round of combat after exploring only a fifth of the whole dungeon. The friend never GM'ed again.

Remember kids, the boss is where you want him to be when you want him to be there. If the players break into an area early, the boss just happens to be elsewhere.


Lifat wrote:

@Murphy: Where are you getting that elementals can't talk? I can't find that in the rules and if it was true then why would the elemental languages exist? Aquan, Auran, Ignan, Terran?

All the elemental forms are listed with languages and with no restrictions.

*pokes around in the rules*

*searches some forums*
*tries to remember origin of idea*

Hmm. I believe we used the bit of a druid's wildshape ability which says they cannot speak in animal form with the fact that an elemental lacks the physical mechanisms for normal (non-elemental) languages. Made sense at the time and my (now disbanded) party's druid seemed to think it was reasonable.

However, there's no reason I can find that specifically prevents it, so there you go.


Eldon, you're mistaken as to the details of wild shape. The druid does not become an elemental, he simply gains abilities similar to an elemental. They do not gain all the immunities and defenses defined in the monster type. They only gain what is specifically outlined in the Polymorph rules and the particular spell being emulated.

When determining what is gained, first read the rules on Polymorph as it describes the very specific rules of what you don't get and what you lose. Next you read Elemental Body 1 to see limited features are gained from the wildshape. Lastly, you would read Druid Wild Shape rules to learn any additional restrictions.

Sure, they have hours and hours of this. But they do not become the type into which they are shaping, so they do not gain the immunities or resistances unless the spell specifically states they do. A druid in fire elemental form can actually be burned to death; they only get Fire Resistance 20.

Another fun fact: elementals can't talk, so I hope the druid player isn't trying to communicate while in the form of an elemental.

Also, small elementals are pretty weak. I mean, they can scout really well, but that's kind of it.


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Not functionally. Initiative checks set your position relative to the other people involved in the fight. After that, the order is set and only things like delaying or readying an action can functionally shift your location in the order. Basically, the reasoning is to ensure that each entity in the encounter gets a turn before anythings gets a second turn.


Archer Inquisitors are very powerful. They can throw down some pretty amazing self buffs for damage and have a whole handful of tricks allowing them to handle a melee throw down (either to escape or just beat the thing to death with a sword). It is a very strong build.

The synthesist summoner is a dangerously powerful build. Between the relative confusion of how the summoner/eidolon work together in a large set of scenarios and the simplicity of the build that allows even relatively new players to build a very powerful character. Unfortunately, relatively new players tend to end up playing with relatively new GMs who don't know enough about the rules to either manage the confusion or properly handle a synthesist's power which exacerbates the issues enormously.

However, just because you aren't playing the MOST powerful build possible (and it isn't a summoner, they are just the easiest to understand and build), it doesn't mean the Archer Inquisitor isn't very powerful. There are threads on the board, one just the other week actually, that addresses means by which a GM can handle archers in the game. We can help things go back to being a challenge for everyone, rather than the cakewalk that Inquisitors can make out of certain common-to-new-GM encounters.


Sure, I'd say so.


Early on it can be quite good. Wizard may not have any spells left but can grant a +2 to the fighter, which is a solid 33% increase in attack bonus. But in higher levels, +2 is only a ~15% increase, the aiding player has a lot of options to do in combat, and honestly if they aren't a frontline class then they need to get far away from the bad guy. Usually at this point, if getting away is impossible, full defense is more useful because you'll get splattered all over your party mate if the monster gets a hit in.


I'd just ignore the weirdness and let the rogue ignore it. He can always fail on a roll of 1. Sometimes rules and effects collide in ways that are not really intended or desired, but it is far easier to just roll with it than try to specifically account for it since changes at how things like this interact can have far reaching ripples.

Also, the rogue isn't necessarily breathing in the superheated air. A combat round is only 6 seconds and holding one's breath for, say, 30 seconds isn't exactly impossible (and while, yes, he is being rather energetic with his exertions during combat, he's also assumed to be in decent cardiovascular health given that he does this for a living).


Usually it is enough that the player said he is "searching the room". It is assumed that the PC is going around the room searching through boxes, examining walls, etc. It is supposed to take minutes to complete and can be considered to test for anything requiring a perception check. Rarely is perception meant to target a specific square.

Now, if there's a chest that has a specific hidden compartment inside it (a false bottom, perhaps), you may want to require a specific perception from whomever opens that chest.


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I would argue that blink is a bad idea. A melee character's purpose is to hit things and the miss chance goes directly against that single goal. While blink has a lot of other benefits, not hitting a target is too great a penalty. Remember, if offense is not the melee character's best defense, that character shouldn't be in that fight.


Because half the group was Good aligned and did not agree with looting the mansion of a guy who may not be dead or evil. The disagreement between "maybe the Whispering Way lied and the Count isn't a bad guy" and "no one is looking so lets load up the wagon and get rich!" overflowed into real life and almost destroyed the gaming group itself.

I had to step in and force the issue that the PCs were not actually looters, even the Neutral characters, and to make them not loot the place. Was better than ending the adventure right there.


Probably none of them. You may want to invent a new knowledge skill; the ones in the game are the 'practical' options to cover most active areas of concern for adventurers. Nothing stops a player and GM from inventing new ones or getting rid of/combining existing ones.


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Or in the tongue! Then he could literally lick his wounds to heal them!


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So if the druid gets hurt, he chases his tail until he catches it in order to deliver the touch spell? I've watched my cats do this and tail chasing looks pretty complicated and involved; certainly takes more than a few seconds. Perhaps the druid is also using it with an attempt to confuse and confound the enemy?

Seriously though, no he can't. Touch spells are still involve a touch attack (though the target may choose to be willing, it just means you automatically hit). Touch attacks must be delivered by something that can deliver attacks. The leopard's tail cannot be used to deliver attacks since it is not a natural weapon. Ergo, no touch spells on the tail.


The relevant text: "She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class."

Pretty straight forward - you continue to add the 10 evangelist levels to the wizard levels for calculating everything mentioned above. Basically, you gain the hit dice, BAB, Saving Throws, and skill ranks of a level 6 wizard and the features of a level 16 wizard.


Yeah... as written, the consecrate effect is at will (so long as it is on a sturdy surface and not disturbed). Of course, that may be sloppy editing and the 'once per day' should be transitive across the bless and consecrate abilities. It would still require a standard action to activate. No additional costs are required to activate a magic item (unless otherwise noted).


It will be fine. The Dawnflower Lantern is not an "alter, shrine, or other permanent fixture".


The monster would still have to take a movement action, but it can simply stop moving whenever it wants. So it can react to being hit by stopping movement to face the new threat, it doesn't have to keep going to the intended end location, however once it has declared it is 'moving' (regardless of distance) the move action has been taken and it can no longer use full attack actions or five foot steps.

Lets say you are hiding behind a pillar and a monster fails to see you. As it walks past you, you get an AOO. When you take it, the monster becomes aware of you. After resolving the AOO, the monster may now choose to continue moving, change direction, or stop moving.


Readied actions allow you to delay part of your turn until a certain condition is triggered. This condition expires at the start of your next turn in the initiative order, when you get another full round action. So you have already moved 10 feet this round and are just readying your standard action at this point.

Combat rounds are defined as a complete pass through the initiative order, but it is a personal value, not a global one. Each character gets one action in a round of combat, true, but 'full round actions' start on the character's turn and end just before the character's next turn, not at the top of the initiative order.


Half my group wanted to loot, half my group threatened to walk out of the adventure. They didn't loot the castle. In thanks for being rescued, the Count gave them a prize equal to the value of the goods they could have looted.

The solution is easy to implement and the players won't even know they could have looted the place. Unless you give them price tags next to every item or they are the kind of 'adventurer' that robs a place blind.

As for the value? Pop open a calculator and add things up during a quick read-through.


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Try this thread which is really just a collection of links to other threads regarding the "Does Catch Off-Guard count as improvised weapon proficiency?" question.

The general idea is that no, technically there is no way to become proficient in an improvised weapon HOWEVER it is also perfectly reasonable for a GM to choose to interpret Catch Off-Guard as making one proficient in improvised weapon. Just remember that this is not a formal definition.

In a home game, I'd totally let you run this concept. In a PFS game, you are asking for some trouble if the table's GM disagrees with your interpretation.

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