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Only currebtly allowed options are available to be retrained into. Since assimar is not a current legal option, it is not available.

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Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:
Consider though, that if one of you do this, and I present it, and Mike either responds similarly or not at all, then the discussion should probably turn towards "Whats the best current options for my character?" rather than, "He's ruined I want extended grandfathering or a rebuild!"
I of course can't speak for everyone, but my stance is just that I want some kind of acknowledgement that the extended grandfathering proposal has been considered. They have made a few posts, but none have addressed that aspect. It could just be one word, No, and I'll drop it at that (I won't be very happy about the matter, but that's true anyway, and at least I'll drop it).

We considered it. We decided not to go with that option. Thanks for all the feedback.

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Andrew Christian wrote:

He has already assured me last week that he's read every post in this thread (and probably still is reading).

Yep

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Jezza wrote:
Hmmmm. Is this opening to door to kobolds as a playable race in Season 7?

No, I have no plans to sanction kobolds as a playable race at this time.

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Andrew Shumate wrote:
Definitely looking forward to these scenarios, and also happy to see us return to Ustalav, a region that I feel is "horrifically" underused.

Wait until we give more info on the new Quests debuting at Gen Con ;-)

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Any big faction shake ups this time or have those stabalized for now?

Those have stabilized and there are no plans to change them for the foreseeable future. We've done a lot of work to get them to where we think they should be. With the soon to be released Faction Journal Cards, we hope that they take back a very popular and important place for PFS.

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cartmanbeck wrote:
I am very excited for this one! Can someone confirm for me that this will debut at this year's GenCon and then will be played at NEXT year's PaizoCon? I'm going to PaizoCon THIS year (in May).

This will debut at Gen Con. However, we will have something new for PaizoCon 2016.

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pauljathome wrote:

My only issue with making a game 5 star only is that it means the only chance I'll have to play it will be online (no local 5 star GMs and no local VOs). I suspect there are quite a few areas that fall into that category

And I imagine the competition to get into the online games will be fierce :-).

Are you aware of the 5 star GM and the 4 star GM that now live in Ontario and would probably be willing to work with you to schedule each of the specials? There is also the current 4 star GM and soon to be 5th star GM that lives right in the Toronto area.

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trik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
trik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
trik wrote:
As far as rewarding 4 & 5 star GMs, they get a +4 or +5 respectively to their reroll in every game and they get to replay 4 or 5 scenarios (per recharge, which may be a seasonal thing), right? That said, I understand that some scenarios are complicated enough that they should probably only be run by experienced GMs and the star system helps build confidence in the experience of said GMs. Scenarios that fit that bill should probably be limited to 4/5 star GMs just to ensure they are run correctly each and every time (although there will probably still be a few cases where there are errors made).
How often do you think 4 and 5 star GMs play compared to the time they spend GMing? Do you think the bonus to one reroll a game and replay is sufficient reward for someone who has dedicated more than 500 volunteer hours to PFS to give at least 400-600 people entertainment? Or should we strive for providing additional rewards for those folks?

I don't know. I'm not in that position, so it's difficult for me speak with any real insight into the situation of 4/5 GMs. It's a great question to pose to the 4/5 star GMs though. :)

I've always been of the mind that exclusion tends to breed contempt. In this case, I don't particularly care one way or another. I do know that the higher star GMs I play with make liberal use of their bonus to rerolls. As a player that doesn't have that bonus, it looks like a pretty nice reward when I see it used.

Edit: That last part wasn't in there when I replied. If it's the case that 4/5 star GMs want something more, I guess any reward will be exclusionary by nature. I certainly wouldn't want to drive away those that have assisted in building PFS into what it is by not recognizing the efforts they have put in.

And it is a question I have posed to more than 250 four and five star GMs. From feedback I've received, and as a five star GM myself, GM rewards are
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Can you advise a region that does not have a four or five star GM geographically close by? There are very, very few left that don't have access to a four and/or five star GM. I believe Latvia, Russia, and Israel are three. I checked Singapore, Croatia, and several other small and remote regions and they all have access to four and five star GMs. If you throw in on line play, there is no one who will be excluded.

Additionally, this provides for regional conventions to consider inviting a four and/or five star GM to their convention as a guest to run the exclusives, thus creating an even greater reward for that four or five star GM.

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This question has been answered. To reiterate, you can't reskin a character to look like a drow. You also can not play a character who is descended from a Drow, including a half-elf with drow ancestry. Since this is, unfortunately, not clear, I will make sure it is documented where it needs to be.

Drow are evil. Drow are despised and hated. Drow are essentially kill on sight because they are considered a monster for all intent and purposes. The Society would likely not accept a character that looks like a Drow due to the problems that come with it.

If you want to use a disguise kit or a hat of disguise or whatever to try to look like a Drow, then it is an option. However, the reactions of NPCs will likely cause grief for the other characters and the GM is well within his or her rights to have NPCs act accordingly if they fail their perception and think the character is a Drow.

This topic is now closed.

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trik wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
trik wrote:
As far as rewarding 4 & 5 star GMs, they get a +4 or +5 respectively to their reroll in every game and they get to replay 4 or 5 scenarios (per recharge, which may be a seasonal thing), right? That said, I understand that some scenarios are complicated enough that they should probably only be run by experienced GMs and the star system helps build confidence in the experience of said GMs. Scenarios that fit that bill should probably be limited to 4/5 star GMs just to ensure they are run correctly each and every time (although there will probably still be a few cases where there are errors made).
How often do you think 4 and 5 star GMs play compared to the time they spend GMing? Do you think the bonus to one reroll a game and replay is sufficient reward for someone who has dedicated more than 500 volunteer hours to PFS to give at least 400-600 people entertainment? Or should we strive for providing additional rewards for those folks?

I don't know. I'm not in that position, so it's difficult for me speak with any real insight into the situation of 4/5 GMs. It's a great question to pose to the 4/5 star GMs though. :)

I've always been of the mind that exclusion tends to breed contempt. In this case, I don't particularly care one way or another. I do know that the higher star GMs I play with make liberal use of their bonus to rerolls. As a player that doesn't have that bonus, it looks like a pretty nice reward when I see it used.

Edit: That last part wasn't in there when I replied. If it's the case that 4/5 star GMs want something more, I guess any reward will be exclusionary by nature. I certainly wouldn't want to drive away those that have assisted in building PFS into what it is by not recognizing the efforts they have put in.

And it is a question I have posed to more than 250 four and five star GMs. From feedback I've received, and as a five star GM myself, GM rewards are generally preferred more than player rewards because they are used more.

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trik wrote:
As far as rewarding 4 & 5 star GMs, they get a +4 or +5 respectively to their reroll in every game and they get to replay 4 or 5 scenarios (per recharge, which may be a seasonal thing), right? That said, I understand that some scenarios are complicated enough that they should probably only be run by experienced GMs and the star system helps build confidence in the experience of said GMs. Scenarios that fit that bill should probably be limited to 4/5 star GMs just to ensure they are run correctly each and every time (although there will probably still be a few cases where there are errors made).

How often do you think 4 and 5 star GMs play compared to the time they spend GMing? Do you think the bonus to one reroll a game and replay is sufficient reward for someone who has dedicated more than 500 volunteer hours to PFS to give at least 400-600 people entertainment? Or should we strive for providing additional rewards for those folks?

In my experience, most 4 and 5 star GMs run games because they take great pride and pleasure in doing so, often more than they like playing. Shouldn't we provide rewards that fuel into that passion?

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graywulfe wrote:

Mike,

Is there a plan for the 4 and 5 star exclusives from this year to move out of Exclusive status next year like other exclusives have?

I haven't made that decision yet. I like the idea of having a library of 4 and 5 star exclusives because it gives some value to earning stars.

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Tsriel wrote:
Kyshkumen wrote:
I see this complaint a lot still and I do not really see it as a valid one anymore. There is a very strong online community with 4 and 5 star gms and online conventions for both VTT and PbP, they even give out boons. The games are there you just need to look a little harder. Try reaching out to one of the Online VOs (yes there are specific VOs just for online play) who would love to show you how to get started.
That's a fair statement to make. However, not every online convention gets Paizo support. To further complicate matters, those conventions are still held to a standard that's expected for RL conventions in order to qualify being able to run special events. Speaking from experience, that's rather extraordinary for it to occur.

That is false. every online convention that the online VOs have submitted a request for has received support, including PDFs for GMs and prize suppor in the form of product PDFs and boons.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Fomsie wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:

6-98 and 6-99 are single table, pregenerated character scenarios. One will convert to a 4 star GM exclusive and the other to a 5 star GM exclusive after Gen Con.

Well, I was excited until I saw that.
Why?
Speaking for myself, I was sad to see the five star special. Being between jobs, and not knowing if I'll be able to do Origins, let alone Gen Con this year, I was looking forward to being able to run more than just bonekeep for working towards my 5th star. Now knowing I'll have two, rather than 3 scenarios to count as specials (I don't know if we're going to try to run any of the multitable events in Ohio outside of cons) limits my flexibility in running specials for the community. Bonekeep (and maybe bonekeep II) and another special may double the number of events I can run, I'd rather have them trippled.

So are you suggesting we don't give 5 star Gms something exclusive for all of their hard work? Don't five star GMs also deserve something special? If that is not your suggestion, then what do you propose we do for 5 star GMs?

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6-97 and 6-98 essentially give you both sides of the same story. So, playing them in either order is fine. They work in conjunction to help close out Season 6.

6-99 is essentially a stand alone story.

7-00 kicks off the new season.

I haven't made a final decision as to whether non-4/5 star VOs will be able to run the exclusives.

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Fomsie wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:

6-98 and 6-99 are single table, pregenerated character scenarios. One will convert to a 4 star GM exclusive and the other to a 5 star GM exclusive after Gen Con.

Well, I was excited until I saw that.

Why?

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Helikon wrote:
I would hope the non drow policy would extend to saw tooth sabres or other weapons only used by evil organizations or evil races!

If you want to discuss that, start a different thread. This thread was about drow and half drow and that's what I addressed.

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You can't reskin a character to look like a drow. You also can not play a character who is descended from a Drow, including a half-elf with drow ancestry. Since this is, unfortunately, not clear, I will make sure it is documented where it needs to be.

Drow are evil. Drow are despised and hated. Drow are essentially kill on sight because they are considered a monster for all intent and purposes. The Society would likely not accept a character that looks like a Drow due to the problems that come with it.

If you want to use a disguise kit or a hat of disguise or whatever to try to look like a Drow, then it is an option. However, the reactions of NPCs will likely cause grief for the other characters and the GM is well within his or her rights to have NPCs act accordingly if they fail their perception and think the character is a Drow.

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6-98 and 6-99 are single table, pregenerated character scenarios. One will convert to a 4 star GM exclusive and the other to a 5 star GM exclusive after Gen Con.

6-97 and 6-98 are debuting at PaizoCon. The other two are debuting at Gen Con.

6-97 and 7-00 can be run at any large game day or convention that can hosts the required minimum number of concurrent tables.

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I am going to have to have a talk with some people about the continuing effort to steal away my VOs ;-) Welcome to the team!

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#6 Black Waters. Throw in ambient music from the "Spooky" soundset of Syrinscape, add some roleplaying at the dinner, and a very fun scenario.

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Grim Gravelskull wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Grim Gravelskull wrote:

So no more regular Society games in Sacramento now?

After looking on Warhorn it looks to be pretty much core.
Did you email your VC to see what was going on or if regular games can be scheduled? I just did. Did you volunteer to GM a normal mode game? VOs can only work with what people volunteer to GM.

You want me to run a game that I just started playing?

And all I see at Randy's is core.

I wasn't aware you just started playing. You made no mention one way or the other.

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If it's abilities rent mentioned in the Core Rulebook, then no, unless it is further clarified on a Chronicle sheet.

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Grim Gravelskull wrote:

So no more regular Society games in Sacramento now?

After looking on Warhorn it looks to be pretty much core.

Did you email your VC to see what was going on or if regular games can be scheduled? I just did. Did you volunteer to GM a normal mode game? VOs can only work with what people volunteer to GM.

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I wanted to take a minute to welcome aboard the new Venture-Captain assigned to Montreal. I will let Charles-Éric Savaria introduce himself, advise about the websites he will utilize for coordinating, and any other information he wishes to share.

Welcome to the team!

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Sebastian Hirsch wrote:
TetsujinOni wrote:
Walter Sheppard wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:

Maybe one day, it is something we can consider. That day is not today, though. It is on my radar. If there ever is a time we can fit it in and do it right, you can bet I will give it serious consideration.

I have four words for you, Mike.

Aspis. Consortium. Organized. Play.

You don't have to make a decision on it now. Just think about it for a bit and let it sink in. How cool could those missions be? Perhaps some intersecting plot lines where PCs undo some of the "good" done by previous PFS scenarios.

Necro to add:

THIS YEAR AT PAIZOCON AND GENCON.

THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING.

RISE OF SERPENTS: Now you will learn how it feels to fall under the blades of Pathfinder Agents.... firsthand.

Sorry, just having a continuing moment of glee - I'm very excited about this year's specials.

That Necro really was not necessary, I read quite a lot until I saw the orginial posting date.

The serpent thing might be exiting for a number of players, but not being on that particular continent, does temper my motivation somewhat.

Reread my Gen Con blog then. As normal, the multi tier specials are available for regions to run. The two pregen specials will be four and five star GM exclusives that can be run anywhere the 4 and 5 star GMs want to run them, you don't have to attend Gen Con to have a chance to play it. Gen Con nets the first chance to play one and PaizoCon nets the other one. After Gen Con, they will be available for play worldwide.

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pauljathome wrote:
"Inari" wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
John and I discussed grandfathering at length. As John and I both advised in the first thread, this is the decision that the PFS team has made and is what we are going with.
Okay, this is a good answer.
Actually, it does not answer the OP at all. The question was "Why was this decision made?". Saying that it was made after discussion and that it won't change does NOT answer "Why".

It was already advised why the decision was made Here.

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We have already advised that there will be no free retraining option.

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Muser wrote:

I wish replaying Specials was legal. There's a lot of content to be missed in TPWC, SotDC and LotSL, for example.

I...am not so sure I would replay Bonekeep. There're Fort saves and then there is Bonekeep 1. It was like running a Cooper but with dice as your legs and feet.

They are replayable in Core mode.

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John and I discussed grandfathering at length. As John and I both advised in the first thread, this is the decision that the PFS team has made and is what we are going with.

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Soluzar wrote:
I assume that the beginning of Season 7 will still be on GenCon weekend? Also, I've heard there may be a new Guide to Organized Play v6.1 to account for some of the new changes (especially Core), is this true? Lastly, are we going to see the Faction Cards before or at the introduction to Season 7?

Yes

No

I don't remember off the top of my head.

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Hi all.

For PaizoCon, I still have one full volunteer spots available. I have seven open tables of Card Game OP to fill for the entire convention with three of those on Monday morning.

For Gen Con, there are 20 Tier 1 and 2 spots remaining. Twelve of the 20 are for Card Game OP and Card Game Demos. Tier 1 and 2 rewards include a free four day badge, free one-quarter share of a hotel room (you are assigned to a hotel room with 3 other volunteers), $10/slot store credit, volunteer goblin shirts, etc....

I also have approximately 4-5 Tier 3-5 slots remaining as well.

If interested, email me at mike.brock@paizo.com.

If you can offer to volunteer even one slot worth of time for the Card Game OP or demos at either show, every little bit helps.

Thanks!

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There are 20 Tier 1 and 2 spots remaining.

12 of these are for Card Game OP and Card Game Demos.

8 of these are for the RPG, including scenarios, Quests, and We Be Goblins/WBG Too.

We also have approximately 8-10 Tier 3-5 slots remaining as well.

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Jeff Morse wrote:
Guessing still sitting at 8 left. Tick tok

No. 3.5 rooms remaining. 2.5 of these are being held for tier 1 and 2 card game volunteers.

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thaX wrote:
Then why get a Wayfinder?

Because they are the symbol of being a Pathfinder agent and are rewarded for successful completion of The Confirmation (though generally not a field commission)? Sometimes an item is more than just the numbers it represents.

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kinevon wrote:

@Sarvei: That is probably why your VC has a VL, to cover an area that is difficult for him to reach regularly.

@Roger: If there is a nearby VC, you could discuss with him/her becoming a VL for them in your city. That would give you additional support you can call on, if you need it, without breaking the Paizo model. VCs cover a lot of territory. So much, in fact, that a recent VC retirement included splitting her territory in two.

Actually it was split into four and we currently have only appointed two of the four VCs.

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Roger Corbera wrote:
But can I be an independent venture lieutenant, without a Captain above me? There isn't any captain in my city, and I'm not sure I've enough time to be captain.

You can email me and we can discuss

I have tremendous appreciation for everything VCs and VLs do for their regions. Without them, PFS simply wouldn't be as awesome as it is.

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deusvult wrote:

Mike,

I'm pretty sure the OP was being passive/agressive sarcastic. He wasn't actually trying to get the GMs to cry, but to get someone (You) to address how giving Wizards easy access to noncore resources is unfair/biased towards what he (and presumably, others) consider is a class that is OP yet still allowed in Core. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you completely missed his point.

Fair enough. Post removed. Thanks for pointing it out.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Well thank you Michael for being such a patient listener. I understand that from an OP perspective it may be hard to accommodate everyone. I'll stick to the "Encore" PFS mode for a while more I think, just keep in mind that some of us spend significant amount of $ on Paizo (darn shipping!) and perhaps ease up a bit more on what's allowed in future products (Scribe Scroll for wizards, yes? ;) )

Trust me, I'm aware of what subscribers spend. I converted my Dragon and Dungeon Magazines three year subscriptions into a charter superscriber spot before I was hired by Paizo. Part of the selling points to my wife and being able to accept the job was that I advised her how much money I would be saving on RPG books every month ;-)

We only limit things for op that simply aren't a good fit. To make sure it isn't just John and I imagining the poor fit, we have content review teams for every product released. These teams are made up of five VOs. Some products, such as Unchained, get multiple review teams (3 in the case of Unchained). John and I then take the report from the content review team, discuss the recommendations, and then I make a final decision what goes into Additional Resources. I understand that people want to use all of the options. I encourage it for home games. I allow almost everything in my home Giantslayer campaign. Unfortunately, not everything that is published fits well into a global organized play camipaign of 75000+ players.

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Lamontius wrote:


EDIT: AGGGGHHHHH MIKE BROCK STOLE MY IDEA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

2ND EDIT: okay so they were crayons and not pencils but STILL

This sounds like more Lamenting by Lamontius.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Can you please specificy what constitutes "everything" that I am controlling that you don't like?
With all due respect, no. I'm not going to go into specifics. Just know that I've been trying to promote PFS in my own little corner of the world here for years, and that it's fallen mostly into deaf ears for some time now. The going was good back in Season 1, but somewhere along the way something went wrong. The onerous guidelines, additional resources, etc. have become a huge detractor for newbies and experienced players alike. I'm trying to make the case to simplify the process while allowing people to play whatever they want. That is my request. I understand that it would take one year or more to get there, assuming there's even willingness to make this happen, so I'm not going to hold my breath. But if you want my honest opinion, this is what has become problematic for the campaign... the factions... not so much. When I'm off work come Friday the last thing I want to do is to spend another hour figuring out certs and the whole accounting part of the campaign. I do it reluctantly still, but for most GMs out there, they've stopped bothering and refuse to organize PFS events, instead reverting to home campaigns. It's there for you to do whatever you wish with it, and for the minions to come and dissect into ridiculousness.

Well, I guess I will exit this conversation then since I can't help provide further answers for you. On a side note, we did simplify the process. It's called the Core Mode for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The Core Mode has no onerous guidelines, very little additional resources that affect it, etc...

As for "most GMs out there" have stopped bothering and refuse to organize PFS, that's a bit of a stretch. Maybe in your region that is the case (it's actually not since we are about to add a second VC to that region due to popularity of PFS) but the numbers I get from IT show that we have 200-400 new players join each week. This week alone we've added more than 15 regional coordinators in five different countries and eight states and now have more than 430 VOs, compared to the original 13 a year into PFS and 280 or so this time last year. On average the campaign has continued to grow at a rate of approximately 13,500 new players each year.

As for reverting to home campaigns, that's fantastic! They get to play Pathfinder RPG in the manner they deem fit and aren't "handicapped" by the rules set forth for OP. Sounds like a win-win to me.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Have I reached that point where I've become jaded about buying tons of books that I can't use? I guess I have... there's no amount of homebrew, PFS (Core or Encore), or one shot that will result in a potential 20% use of all the Pathfinder stuff I now own.

Look, yes: I believe there should be a free for all Pathfinder campaign that allows all official Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and Pathfinder Campaign Setting content. I'd be ok if you limit the campaign to non-evil only for the sake of weeding out the undesirables, but at some point I'd also be ok if you create a side campaign that's for all evil PCs as well. If it's Pathfinder, it should be allowed. The world of Golarion has been set to "emerging guns" as a default, and so I'd be fine with such a campaign following that guideline. High tech stuff should be limited to Iron Gods campaign, so I'd be fine with a ban on that (unless a specific module starts with a few ray guns on the floor, each with enough charges in them to fire a dozen time... i.e. they fizzle to useless junk on module completion, etc.)

I completely understand that with the years, Pathfinder stuff has expanded to a level where it has put a load on campaign staff to keep tabs on. The solution is deregulation and simplicity: gold value caps should make sure nobody walks around with a golem or siege engines. I mean come on. Siege engines? miniaturized? you're aware some of them have a puny Ref save of 15 right? sigh...

So, I guess we've gone from "Pathfinder Society should do a 180 and allow all contents from all the books" to "Pathfinder Society should do a 90 and allow most contents from most of the books"?
Actually I think we're talking about 150 degree. I agree that certain limits on alignment and setting-specific guidelines on the level of tech available are not avoidable. Other than that yes, please simplify the darn process and stop trying to control everything. It really doesn't add to anyone's fun,...

Can you please specificy what constitutes "everything" that I am controlling that you don't like? Perhaps that would be easier to address. As people have already stated, PFS opens more than *most* home games as it is.

What is it that is specifically banned that you would like to see opened as legal? Once that is known, I'm sure there are a handful of explanations that can be provided why those things simply don't work in an OP setting.

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Have I reached that point where I've become jaded about buying tons of books that I can't use? I guess I have... there's no amount of homebrew, PFS (Core or Encore), or one shot that will result in a potential 20% use of all the Pathfinder stuff I now own.

Look, yes: I believe there should be a free for all Pathfinder campaign that allows all official Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and Pathfinder Campaign Setting content. I'd be ok if you limit the campaign to non-evil only for the sake of weeding out the undesirables, but at some point I'd also be ok if you create a side campaign that's for all evil PCs as well. If it's Pathfinder, it should be allowed. The world of Golarion has been set to "emerging guns" as a default, and so I'd be fine with such a campaign following that guideline. High tech stuff should be limited to Iron Gods campaign, so I'd be fine with a ban on that (unless a specific module starts with a few ray guns on the floor, each with enough charges in them to fire a dozen time... i.e. they fizzle to useless junk on module completion, etc.)

I completely understand that with the years, Pathfinder stuff has expanded to a level where it has put a load on campaign staff to keep tabs on. The solution is deregulation and simplicity: gold value caps should make sure nobody walks around with a golem or siege engines. I mean come on. Siege engines? miniaturized? you're aware some of them have a puny Ref save of 15 right? sigh...

So, I guess we've gone from "Pathfinder Society should do a 180 and allow all contents from all the books" to "Pathfinder Society should do a 90 and allow most contents from most of the books"?

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
Michael Brock wrote:
So if we open all books and everything, you are ok with artifacts from the artifact books? Same thing with Mythic? Advanced firearms? Frag grenades and flame throwers? Laser guns and cybernetics? CE characters? How about antipaladin and lich characters? Piecemailed armor? Characters with siege engines?

artifacts: no

mythic: as long as it's given some thought
advanced firearms: no - emerging guns only
frag.... flame... laser... cyber...: you're being silly
CE characters: YES! finally!
antipaladin: YES
lich: you're being silly again... no limit playable undeads to ghouls, and maybe throw one vampire template out there once a year at GenCon...
piecemailed armor: is that in Ultimate Combat?
siege engines: if you're running a season of PFS on the high seas, hell yes, I'm counting on it.

How am I being silly? I took exactly what you said and asked questions from it. Your statement:

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
IMO the Pathfinder Society should do a 180 and allow all contents from all the books, and do away with that silly fame thing, and item tracking through adventure certs.

All contents from all books as you requested include everything I listed, even the stuff you called silly.

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


mythic: as long as it's given some thought

If we are opening all content from the book as you suggested, why do we need to give it additional thought?

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


advanced firearms: no - emerging guns only

This doesn't fit your request for "allow all contents from all the books"

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


frag.... flame... laser... cyber...: you're being silly

This doesn't fit your request for "allow all contents from all the books" AP71 has Frag grenades and flame throwers. The Technology Guide has laser rifles and pistols and all manner of other weapons (sonic, arc, atom guns, grenade launchers nuclear resonators, etc...). Again, you did say "allow all contents from all the books"

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


CE characters: YES! finally!
antipaladin: YES

How do you suppose this would work in OP where one of the three beliefs is cooperate?

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


lich: you're being silly again... no limit playable undeads to ghouls, and maybe throw one vampire template out there once a year at GenCon...

Again, why are we limiting it if you advised "allow all contents from all the books"? The Bestiary has rules on creating a lich as a character.

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


piecemailed armor: is that in Ultimate Combat?

Yes

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:


siege engines: if you're running a season of PFS on the high seas, hell yes, I'm counting on it.

How about for non high seas adventures? Players haev found a way they can shrink a siege engine, take it into a dungeon, unshrink it, and then use it. Why wouldn't that be allowed in all circumstances outside of High seas adventures.

Additionally, I forgot to add Hero Points. Should we include those as well?

I think it is safe to say that "allowing all contents from all the books" is probably not the healthiest choice for organized play though I encourage you to do so in a home game.

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Lamontius wrote:
Mythic 1/2-Dragon Gestalt Jiggy wrote:
Lamontius wrote:
my level 32 chaotic evil psionic shadowcaster laser-guided machine gundragon antipaladin with mythic levels is ready
THERE IS ROOM IN MY PARTY FOR YOU

cool we will be placed at any table that complains about limitations or does not understand that core is core is core

srsly though
he has a really awesome backstory you will love it

"Limitations by Lamontius"

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Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Wayfinder-slotted ioun stones are a feature unique to the world of Golarion, with deep ties to the Pathfinder Society. I understand Core is Core, but the stuff that is unique to the Pathfinder Society should be allowed, as well as anything found in the Inner Sea World Guide. If "there's just too many books now" is the reason for Core, at least put some key Golarion-flavored items and feats in your Core Campaign guidelines... that way those who won't buy the Campaign Setting can still be on an equal footing.

Otherwise, the Core is Core movement starts looking like the Core is Greyhawk movement. I honestly don't get this Core shame limitation trend. IMO the Pathfinder Society should do a 180 and allow all contents from all the books, and do away with that silly fame thing, and item tracking through adventure certs. For GM audit purpose the only thing a player should have to spit out is the total GP value of his character's gear... there. You've dealt with 99% of all the abuse and rules misreading in one blow.

So if we open all books and everything, you are ok with artifacts from the artifact books? Same thing with Mythic? Advanced firearms? Frag grenades and flame throwers? Laser guns and cybernetics? CE characters? How about antipaladin and lich characters? Piecemailed armor? Characters with siege engines?

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Usual Suspect wrote:
I am marginally familiar with how room assignments get sent out. I've volunteered for other groups running games at Gen Con; and we get e-mailed when rooms are assigned closer to the con. Are rooms assigned the same way by Paizo? I don't have a roommate preference, just curious as to how things work.

I assign rooms as people volunteer. Once a room fills, I send out notice to all four people in the room of who each is so that sleeping arrangements, ellergies, etc.., can be discussed. Once Gen Con sends me confirmation numbers 2-3 weeks before the show, I send those to each volunteer for their records. I believe I've already sent notice to you about whom your room mates are.

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