Aiken Frost wrote:Deadmanwalking wrote:Aiken Frost wrote:Can we *please* don't let spellcasters have more skills than the Fighter? Please?I mostly agree here, but think an exception can be made for Bard, as the 'high skill' caster Class just as Rogue is the 'high skill' martial one.
My only problem with that is the fact that the Bard already is a full caster and I bet his spells are going to give him absurd levels of versatility. And having that many skills alongside full 10 levels of spells will certainly just make the Rogue cry in a corner.
But if there must be an exception about skilled casters, I agree that the Bard should be it.
Spells that duplicate skills now generally either give a decent bonus to the target's own skill check, or give you a bonus a bit worse than a true specialist. You either make your skill guy really, really, good, or the spell lets someone untrained act as a decent second best alternative. There's no more of the spell in isolation beating a skilled PC and rendering his talent obsolete.
Plus, the Occult list likely won't be able to do as much skill wise as the Wizard list, lacking physical essence.
Debatable. We'll have to see what the spells look like at the end of the day, but this is a stance that might loosen by mistake when they're up to splat book 10 or something.
Yeah it's not a worry now but Paizo better make sure to not just invent spells/feats/things in isolation if they want to keep it that way.