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Isn't a creature immune to laughing touch for 24 hours after being affected once? So it would work once on each opponent.


Just following the written rules, I would say you are right that you could not utilize the feat, since you have no uses of the channel energy class ability.

I would say that it is a bit of an oversight that the undead lord archetype does not make sure that your cleric still has the channel energy ability.


Ravingdork wrote:


Are you familiar with the Conductive weapon property from the Advanced Player's Guide? It's perfect for just such a concept!

Why does conductive work with bombs? A bomb is not just a special ability using a ranged touch attack but uses the Throw Splash Weapon special attack.


Melkhor, When Walls Fell wrote:
... Spellbreaker, which requires 10 levels in Fighter?

Probably going for Arcane Duelist who gains Spellbreaker as a bonus feat at 10th level.


Fantastic work Meepo, already copying and adopting these for our own online campaign.

I have a few question concerning the Hexenmeister. As far as I understand he gradually trades 1st to 6th levels spells to gain 6 witch hexes in the end. I assume that they are still on his spelllist and he can use spell trigger and spell-completion items of these spells?
Have you playtested the class in higher level? I have two players in different campaigns that are very interested in the concept, but hesitate because they think that the cost for the hexes is too high. Both would probably take the class if the spell slots gained from high abilities would stay for the lower levels to give them at least a very small number of low level spell slots.


No, due to the following sentence included in the description of the bracers:

PSRD wrote:
If a creature receives a larger armor bonus from another source, the bracers of armor cease functioning and do not grant their armor bonus or their armor special abilities.


Ironballs wrote:


4 X 1 X 750 = 3,000gp for the wand.

The rules disagree with you there since the caster level of a 4th level paladin is just 1st, the cost is 750gp. Its listed explicitly in the rules that a level 1 wand crafted by paladin or ranger costs 750gp.


Mcarvin wrote:


Class: Cleric of Pharisma (Separatist) (Undead Lord) 2

First thing, I don't think that you can take both the Separist and the Undead Lord archetypes since both of them modify the same class ability "domains" from the cleric.

Concering your questions, the skeleton template mentions that the skeleton keeps all weapon proficiencies, so you have no problems as long as you animate something that was proficient with bows/other ranged weapons before.
It also lists that you loose all special attacks and while the spikes of a manticore are not listed as special attacks they are listed under special abilities and are themselves attacks so you probably loose them (a generous DM might rule that you can launch spikes but they do not regrow).


Could you tell us which CR or CR range Cyntheria is designed for?


MasterArtificer wrote:

Just be happy he isn't an Artificer from Eberrron...

All creation feats as class feats along with bonus feats? With Exceptional Artisan and Extraordinary Artisan taken four times each (beacause thier effects stack), you could, with only 8 actual feats, create any item with no gold cost and no time devotion...

Nowhere in the description of these feats does it say that you can take them more than once.


Snorter wrote:

I originally wrote;

Poison (Ex): Styxian Cramp bite-injury: save Fort DC 15, onset 1d4 rounds; frequency once per 2 hours; Initial Effect 2 Dex damage; Secondary Effect Unconsciousness for 2 hours. Cure 1 save.

Using the rules in the SRD, I read that as an initial save on injury; if successful, nothing happens, if failed, a second save is made at the onset time, d4 rounds later.
At the onset time, if the second save is made, there's no effect; if failed, both the initial and secondary effect takes place.
Further saves take place after each increment in the frequency entry, either indefinitely, until the duration runs out, or until the cure conditions are met.

The Onset value is optional and normally not used for poisons but for other afflictions like disease. If you look at other poisons in the SRD, you will see that a usual poison would have something like:

Quasit Poison : injury: save Fort DC 13; frequency 1/round for 6 rounds; Effect 1d2 Dex damage. Cure 2 consecutive save.

This is more potent than 3.5 poison, since multiple hits with this poison will increase the DC and duration quite a bit and you take 1d2 Dex damage every round for 6 rounds or until he saves twice (in two consecutive rounds).

Taking the quasit from above as an example, if your second level wizard is ambushed by a quasit and he gets two lucky hits with his claws, the wizard would (on the start of his turn) have to make a DC 15 Fort save to resist the poison and would have to do it for another 9 rounds or until he succeeds twice in a row, which is not that easy for a second level wizard.


It should be noted that the Pathfinder Familiar entry lists the same thing (the one I quoted before, was from 3.5 for comparison):

PSRD wrote:


Share Spells: The wizard may cast a spell with a target of “You” on his familiar (as a touch spell) instead of on himself. A wizard may cast spells on his familiar even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of the familiar's type (magical beast).

It states that a wizard may target his familiar with spells that normally are reserved for personal use (1st sentence) AND that a wizard may target his familiar with spells normally not allowed due to type restrictions (2nd sentence). In contrast to earlier editions the second sentence does not reference the first one in any way, thus applies to all spells not only those with target "You".

The Summoner is a bit more restrictive in the sense that he is only allowed to do this with summoner spells, while a wizard could do it with all spells he can cast from any class he might have.


Lachlan Rocksoul wrote:


Enlarge person is not a touch spell and does not have "you" as a target. "you" being in the description of the spell (as per "Detect Evil").

But it also says:

"A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list."

Thus it is allowed.


The Share Spell entry for the summoner states:

PSRD wrote:


The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself. A summoner may cast spells on his eidolon even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the eidolon’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the summoner spell list.

Thus a summoner may cast spells on his eidolon that normally do not affect him. This is different to the wording of the share spell ability in 3.5 (in the familiar entry, which now has the same share spell entry as the eidolon):

SRD wrote:


At the master’s option, he may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) he casts on himself also affect his familiar. The familiar must be within 5 feet at the time of casting to receive the benefit.

If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the familiar if it moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the familiar again even if it returns to the master before the duration expires. Additionally, the master may cast a spell with a target of "You" on his familiar (as a touch range spell) instead of on himself.

A master and his familiar can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the familiar’s type (magical beast).

Here a wizard would only have been able to use spells on his familiar that are reserved for humanoids if he either uses the spell on himself and the familiar stays within 5ft. or the spell had target "You". Thus he could have enlarged himself and his familiar, but they would have to stay within 5ft. of each other.


Sniggevert wrote:

This came up with the mobile fighter archtype as well. I think the intent is that these abilities basically count as a weapons group for weapon training and it must be taken at that level (i.e. 5th in this case). As such, they would not stack, as the weapons training ability for fighters states:

PRD wrote:
Bonuses granted from overlapping groups do not stack. Take the highest bonus granted for a weapon if it resides in two or more groups.
At least this is how I read the abilities, as otherwise it would far surpass the normal fighter's abilities.

I think that is a good suggestion, just letting the archetype add a weapon group consisting of falcata and buckler at 5th level. Then one should probably just ignore the part about having to wield a falcata and buckler at the same time to get the bonus.


I have a question/problem concerning the Rondelero Duelist archetype from the Inner Sea Primer.

The ability Strong Swing essentially gives you a bonus on attack and damage with falcata and buckler that is equivalent to a normal fighter's highest weapon training bonus. But it only replaces Weapon Training I and, in contrast to other archetypes that do the same or a similar thing (like the two-weapon warrior), it does not replace the weapon training II-IV with any other abilities.

Could such a character also choose a weapon training category that is applicable to the falcata and get a bonus of up to +7 (+4 from strong arm and +3 from weapon training II-IV)?


Hey everyone,

just before christmas I usually do a special christmas adventure with my group. Usually this includes my group playing as evil fey/undead or similar creatures. Sadly I didn't have enough time this year to prepare anything and thus I would like to ask if someone knows a module/adventure that could be converted to something like that. Of course an adventure for an evil group would be best, but basically any adventure including a lot of "cute" opponents/allies to butcher will do.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


Hi everyone, I have a druid in my group who is able to wildshape into a stegosaurus. Since they are usually on a ship we ruled that a standard stegosaurus would weigh too much for the normal deck to support.

Would you allow the druid to cast airwalk and just make himself light enough for the deck to support, but not actually fly, since he would not be fast enough to catch up with the ship in that case.


The Mighty Grognard wrote:

What book is "Wand Wielder" in?

If it is in a third-party supplement or 3.5, is this even worth Paizo fussing over?

Its one of the arcanas the Magus may choose from, thus official.

You could also just take Improved Unarmed Strike and Two-Weapon Fighting (or one level of monk) and make attacks with both hands. Especially if you cast a touch spell that allows for multiple touches, then you can add the spell effect to each of your unarmed strikes (although you have to hit the normal AC of course).


Electric Monk wrote:
Well Quasit and Leopard are both CR2 so i'd go with 7th level. However, for myself, i wouldn't allow a Medium creature as a familier even with the feat. I'd try to stear the player towards an alternative like an arctic fox or similar.

I think level 7 looks good. I wouldn't worry about a medium creature as a familiar. A small character can gain a small sized familiar with improved familiar, thus it should be no problem for a medium character to gain a medium sized familiar.


Calypsopoxta wrote:
I was hoping to find a feat to allow it to benefit from the Augment Elemental feat. Do creatures with elemental subtypes count as elementals in general (for example, to take extra from a ranger with favored enemy), or is it by only a creatures base type that it can be considered an elemental?

Since the elemental type does not exist in Pathfinder (it's just a subtype of outsider now), there is no favored enemy elemental. If you look at the ranger in Pathfinder, there isn't even a favored enemy outsider (elemental).


I would say that gain a "+4 natural armor bonus" like in the dragon shape spells is not a bonus in the usual sense, but it replaces your usual natural armor bonus.
Thus if you normally have a +2 natural armor bonus (let's say from being a draconic sorcerer) and shape into a dragon, you gain the new natural armor bonus of +4.
The same would also apply if you are a dwarf taking the Iron Hide feat and multiple times Improved Natural Armor for a natural armor bonus of +6. If you shape into a dragon you get a natural armor bonus of +4.

Why the mutagen gives you a natual armor bonus instead of an increase to your natural armor is not clear to me and doesn't really make sense.

The Nimble Advanced Mutagen is a bit oddly worded since it states that you get a natural armor bonus, which would not even stack with the one from the mutagen itself, but replace it. It should probably be an increase to natural armor as in the case of the mutagen itself.


ZomB wrote:

My guess it is _at least_:

a +2 masterwork sword = 8300
plus Greater Sand Whirlwind use activated once per day = 5x9X2000/5 = 18000
plus similar power normal sand whirlwind use activated = 3x5x2000*75%= 22500 (actually 2 powers but special use activation required)
plus something for the weapon finesse

So 50K+?

That seams resounable, I will put it at 46.000gp to make sure that my players will want to keep it. Thanks


Anyone a good guess?


No one any idea?


Since I don't want to make completely new stats, I thought I ask the community for suggestions. What would be good stat substitutes for Lashunta (both the female and male variety) from the planet Castrovel?

In other words what creatures (from any 3.5 book, WotC or 3rd party) would be good substitutes for these with some minor adjustments to pathfinder.


I would like some help with the pricing of this item. Since it is an item that the PCs will find in my game, the question is more, what would be a fair price for them to sell it, if they don't want it.

Blade of Sands
Type: Weapons
Aura: Moderate; (DC 18) conjuration and evocation
CL: 10
Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, flame blade, sand whirlwind
Price: ???? gp
Cost: ???? gp
Weight: 4
Description: The blade of sands is a scimitar made in the deserts of Osirion. It is well balanced and can be used in conjunction with the Weapon Finesse feat.
This weapon functions as a +1 flaming scimitar, in addition the wielder can use the following abilities:


  • Blinding Sands: When the wielder scores a critical hit with this weapon, the target is blinded for 1d4 rounds, unless he succeeds on a Fortitude save (DC 13 + your Dexterity modifier). This ability needs no activation.
  • Sands of Decay: Whenever you reduce an enemy to negative hit points with a hit from this weapon you gain concealment until the start of your next turn. This ability needs no activation.
  • Whirlwind of the Ages: Once per day, when you hit an opponent with this weapon, you may activate this power. You create a stationary whirlwind of sand in a 10 ft. radius centered on your target. This whirlwing persists for 10 rounds and is considered diffcult terrain for your enemies and obscures their vision, as a fog cloud. Your allies can move and see through the whirlwind as normal. Activating this ability is an immediate action.


mdt wrote:
... large cat (tiger)... dire bat ...

Are these two even allowed as ranger animal companions? I thought the ranger was restricted to a small group of animals and those two are not on the list.


That depends on the feel of the campaign.

In our current main campaign, which should reach lvl 25 in the end (with some self made epic levels for pathfinder) we use 25 point buys (together with 3 traits per character, maximized 1st HD and Con-Score instead of Con-Bonus as Bonus hitpoints for the 1st level). In the same campaign we have some additional character doing side quests and stuff that ties into the whole campaign which use 20 point buys (and the standard 2 traits) which will probably only be played until around level 16.

If we play a campaign which is not meant to change the face of the game world we also use the standard 15 point buy and the usual rules for bonus hitpoints.

But the same rules also apply to NPCs, so you can have NPCs with point buys from 5 up to 35 (which is reserved for the case if the DM ever needs a Demi-God or something similar) and they use the same rules for traits and bonus hit points (as well as other stuff) as the player characters.


skyde wrote:

Hey,

I am currently trying to convert an older adventure to Pathfinder rules and I've hit a snag. I have the bestiary here in front of me and for the life of me I cannot understand how you calculate the saving throws for a juvenile black dragon.

A young black dragon has Fort +9, Ref +8, Will +7
But I do not know how these are calculated. The only place the book mentions dragon saving throws is in the Hit Dice discussion that
"Increases to HD ...as well as increase the dragon's base attack bonus and base save bonuses."

But where exactly do you get this base save bonus.. for the aforementioned young black HD is Base + 4. Base HD is 4d12 but I don't know what that has to do with anything. Dex for the dragon is 14, Con 17 and Wis 13 so those do account for the differences.

When I look at the adult black dragon I can't follow how the young black dragons saving throws turn into the adult ones saving throws. It has Base + 10 but its saving throws do not increase by 6 (+stat modifiers)

Best regards,
~skyde

You advance the dragon to the number of hit dice you need, in your case 8d12 and then just calculate all saves by using the rules for good saves. Thus your base saves are +6 for all three, plus ability modifiers and other bonuses.


Aeshuura wrote:

I always assumed that you could not use both Combat Expertise and Fighting Defensively at the same time, but then I saw a post that mentioned otherwise...

Can someone clarify for me?

Thanks.

You can, you just need to apply both penalties. What is not possible is to use Combat Expertise and Total Defense, since you need to attack to use Combat Expertise, but fighting defensively is possible.


Lathiira wrote:

Slams are bludgeoning. Tail slaps go into this category as well. Tentacles too, I think.

Bite is piercing, as would being stung.

Claws are slashing, can be argued to also be piercing.

According to the bestiary:

Bite = B/P/S
Claw = B/S
Gore = P
Hoof/Tentacle/Wing = B
Pincers/Tail Slap = B
Slam = B
Sting = P
Talon = S

In addition it states:

Bestiary wrote:


The Damage Type column refers to the sort of damage that the natural attack typically deals: bludgeoning (B), slashing (S), or piercing (P). Some attacks deal damage of more than one type, depending on the creature. In such cases all the damage is considered to be of all listed types for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

So its probably up to the DM to decide whether a specific creature's bite really does all three types of damage or just one.


golden pony wrote:

A NPC race. The stats are as follow:

*+4 str, +2 dex, +2 con, -4 cha, -2 int, -2 wis.
*+2 Intimidate.
*Darkvision 60ft.
*Light sensitivity (-1 to all rolls in bright-light)
*Hatred: +1 to attack rolls and damage against elves and dwarves.
*Ferocity: when disabled, will be able to act one extra round before suffering the effects of being disabled.

It's a NPC race to mix with NPC or PC class levels.

Would you grant it a CR +1 (i.e Orc fighter 7 is a CR 8)?
Is it on par with other pathfinder races?
Perhaps needing a little nudge (i.e +1 natural AC and toughness as bonus feat) to reach CR+1?

I think in Pathfinder a fighter 7 is not CR 7 anymore, but CR 6, but otherwise I would add the +1 natural AC and thoughness to warrant a full CR increase of +1. I would also give it the full orc ferocity, not just the one from half-orcs.

But You should probably decide this on a one by one basis, since this will not warrant a CR increase for all base classes, basically only for melee/ranged combat oriented ones. If you ever allow it as a PC race, it can be ok for some classes, severely underpowered for others and severely overpowered for some others.


lastknightleft wrote:
what weapon is it? unless there's a one handed reach weapon I'm not aware of or specific monster rules that allow it, he shouldn't be able to wield it (all of the reach weapons I'm familiar with are two handed weapons)

Since Pathfinder is so proud on its backward compatibility, an enlarged half-giant (SRD Psionic) would be able to do it.

Going back to the question, the rules only mention that a reach weapon usually doubles your natural reach. So officially the huge weapon would still just double the reach. This is consistent with a large creature having a 5 ft. reach using a large reach weapon and also only gaining a 10ft. reach in all.

lastknightleft wrote:

Reach: You use a reach weapon to strike opponents 10 feet away, but you can't use it against an adjacent foe.

This is not the official rule, the PRD mentions below that this phrase is not taken from the rules, the rules say:

PRD wrote:


Most reach weapons double the wielder's natural reach, meaning that a typical Small or Medium wielder of such a weapon can attack a creature 10 feet away, but not a creature in an adjacent square.


I have a similar high strength monk in my group. He is 5th level as well with a strength of 20 and Improved Grapple. This gives him a CMB of +12 and a CMD of 29 (10 + 12 (CMB) + 1 (Dex) + 3 (Wis) + 1 (Dodge) + 1 (deflection) + 1 (monk AC)).

It never really poses any problems, his AC is lower than that of other monks, even with mage armor (from the group's summoner, who has an ample supply for himself, his eidolon, the monk, the group's sorcerer, and the group's wizard). In addition he had to sacrifice hit points via a lower Con score to gain the high Strength and respectable Wis scores. So just hit him hard and he will be in trouble.


It gets better if your DM rules that the backlash damage is also non-lethal. In that case you can heal the damage inflicted by the weapon and the monster at the same time.


Lathiira wrote:


PC: "I'll fix you!"
Rolls a critical threat, confirms.
"Take that! 56 points of nonlethal damage!"
GM: How many hp do you have right now?
Player: "I've got 42-oh."
PC falls over unconscious from drubbing the monster.

Did I miss something about vicious, why would the player drop when doing a lot of damage to a monster? He would still just take 1d6 points of damage (lethal or non-lethal), perhaps 2d6 or 3d6 if your DM decides that the backlash damage from vicious is also multiplied.


We once had a spell in one of our campaign, that one could use as a "good"-aligned version of animate dead. I don't exactly remember which level it was, I think it was a 4th level cleric spell. I also do not recall the exact costs of the spell or any additional limitations.

You used it on a corpse and summon the spirit of a fallen hero/champion of your diety (cleric only spell) to animate the corpse. Thus they were subject to dismissal and similar spells and if you released one of them the spirit vanished in contrast to undead that just become free-willed.

The template roughly worked in the following way (Pathfinderized):
Alignment: as diety
Type: outsider (alingment subtypes as diety), keeps subtypes except for alignment subtypes and those indicating kind.
Armor Class: as zombie
Hit Dice: remove class levels, change racial HD to outsider HD
Saves: Fort, Ref good, Will bad
Defensive Abilities: loose defensive abilities
Speed: as creature
Attacks: as creature
Special Attacks: loose all special attacks
Abilities: Int -, Dex -2, Wis 10, Cha 10
BAB: full
Skills: none
Feats: none
Special Qualities: retains any extraordinary special qualities that improve its melee or ranged attacks. Gain Weakness against negative energy (taking +50% damage).

For the matter of controlling they followed all the rules of the animate dead spell and counted against the same limit of creatures you could control (so no additional minions for evil clerics).

Since they could be more powerful than fast zombies, there probably were some additional limitations for the spell (like a higher cost), but I don't remember those.


josh hill 935 wrote:
Tanis wrote:

You can do it at lvl 1 with two weapon fighting. If you take the imp. trip/disarm feats you don't provoke. Except when attacking adjacent enemies with your whip for the reasons above.

So, lvl 1 human = 3 feats.

TWF
Imp. Trip
Exotic Weapon Prof - Whip.

You could do that, i recommend not going with the whip tho, unless you're set on that RPing wise. You don't threaten (that's not that bad cuz you still threaten with short sword), it deals no damage to pretty much anyone - you're just tripping with it. if you're cool with that then that's fine, but i'd be more inclined to go with the net. Or just two kukri, or sword and board, or whatever.

ok great. im not too bothered about optimisation as i rolled 2 18's and a 17 lol. do i take the -2 twf penalty to the cmb? or something else? cheers

You take the -2 on cmb, since it qualifies as a special version of an attack (the same as a bardic performance would improve it). But to take Imp. Trip you will also need Combat Expertise.


I am mainly using this as a DM, for Orc Hunters and similar NPCs against my Players. Since they will usually already have favored enemy/allies chosen such that they are effective against my Players, the additional stuff, like a second (full level) animal companion are very effective. I tried an orc spellless ranger with two boars as animal companions (I know, with standard Pathfinder rules, thats not allowed, since the boar is not on the list, but whatever) both at full level (one via the corresponding feat, the other via the ranger talent) and it was very powerful. In addition, not needing to keep track of spells for non-important NPCs helps to better concentrate on the real spellcasters you are running as a DM.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:


I'm belive that moster 1 is a Retriever.

Unlikely, since the Retriever has already appeared in the first Bestiary.

The first one could be some kind of Formian, while the second could be a Belker.


This item should not be confused with the wand rifle from "Entombed with the Pharoahs", since it should act in a totally different way.

I am starting my Golarion campaign in the more sci-fi influenced parts of the world and wanted to have the following item, for which I could need some help with the pricing. Thanks for any comments.

Wand Pistol
You can load this pistol with a wand containing at least a 1st level spell (loading is a move action).
The caster/spell level of the created effects is the same as the caster/spell level of the wand.

Once loaded you can activate it as a standard action and it fires one ot more magical missiles, each activation drains one charge. You need to make a ranged touch attack for each of these missiles and they deal 1d4 points of damage. The missiles are a force effect. The range is 25 ft. plus 5ft./2 caster levels and you may fire each missile at different targets, if they are all within 30 ft.

For each two caster level above 1st you may fire one additional missile. For each spell level above 1st you may also fire one additional missile.
You gain a bonus on your ranged touch attack equal to half the level of the spell on the wand.

Example: If you load the thing with a 9th level spell wand with a caster level of 19, you could generate 18 magic missiles (1 + 9 (CL 19th) + 8 (spell level 9th)) each requiring a ranged touch attack and gaining a +4 bonus on the attack roll.


Lord Snow wrote:
My god, Tito Leati is seak. I'm now reading through City of Broken Idols... and I can see TPK's in just about evrey other page.

Its not that bad, some things look tough, but level 13 characters also have their tricks and abilities.

Lord Snow wrote:
1. If chief Achcauhtlis' (area 3) melee section of the stat block says what I think it does, than he can attack nine times during a single turn using a full attack action. nine times. am I sane, or am I wrong?

Since he can both attack with his weapons and use his claws and bite, he can attack 9 times, but unless he is able to attack a non-melee character it shouldn't be that bad. All his attacks are quite harmless, with an average damage of 90-95 damage if everything hits. A PC barbarian can dish out a lot more than that and most other melee characters will have an AC, that will not allow the chief to hit with all attacks. Of course there are some possibilities for carnage, if he hits a lightly armored secondary fighter, a druid for example, which is human and gets one or two crits, he might of course be able to kill him in the first round, but something like that is nearly always possible. But hey, a first level orc barbarian can basically do that to any 1st or second level character and we still use them against our players, don't we?

Lord Snow wrote:

2. (area 1): "The Wastrilith is bound to Kahla... allows the aspect to obsevre... and use him as a focus for his spell like abilties..."

when using this abilties, should I use the DCs as if they were used by the Wastrilith or by the aspect?

I would say, as if used by Khala, the aspect only uses the demon as a focus, but they are still its own spell-like abilities.


I only looked briefly at them, but were there any big changes made to the Duskblade, Hexblade and Scout except for the skills?
I would change the following things:

Duskblade: d10 like the new ranger. Deciding if the Duskblade is on par with the core classes or not, is up to you. I had a game where a Duskblade was next to useless compared to the Barbarian in the group and another one, where it nearly seemed overpowered. To see if it balanced to the Pathfinder classes, would probably need some work.

Scout: For me, I got rid of the scout and converted a lot of its class abilities to rogue talents and made the alternative class feature skirmish, that just removes sneak attack and substitutes it for skirmish.

Hexblade: I would seriously increase the number of hexes they gain per day and perhaps add a number of bonus feats (there were some hex feats in Dragon mag. at some point). Since the paladins smite also got better, I would also improve the hexblades hex, since its quite parallel to the smite from its progression. Hexblades were pretty useless in 3.5 (even weaker than a paladin), unless you seriously boosted their hex curse. Perhaps also add some ability that is on par with lay on hands (not the flavor, just an ability with a similar power level) to make the class more equivalent to the new paladin.

Don't have anything to say for the other two, never used a Spirit Shaman and the Warmage is redundant in my opinion.


Dreaming Warforged wrote:

I always believed that a touch attack would stack with a sneak attack if the PC was able to apply the sneak damage. So a flanking rogue/sorcerer could be able to add his sneak damage to the effect of the touch spell. It could also be possible to do the same against a FF opponent with range touch spells requiring a range touch attack.

You could also argue that the sneak damage could be added to a regular spell against all FF opponents.

But reading the capstone power of the arcane trickster which seems to allow just this, I'm wondering if I've been wrong all those years and stretching the rules a bit too far.

I wish to know if others shared the same views.

DW

You are right, that you can deal sneak attack damage with any damaging spell that needs an attack roll (either ranged or normal), if the usual conditions for sneak attack are satisfied, i.e., the opponent is flanked or loosed his Dexterity modifier.

The ability of the arcane trickster lets him add his sneak attack damage to any spell when opponents are flat-footed. He could go into a room (being invisible or using Stealth) and drop a fireball on a crowd and all of them would also suffer sneak attack damage. This is normally forbidden, since sneak attack only works with stuff that uses attack rolls (you must aim after all).


cthulhudarren wrote:


Fascinating. <spoke eye-brow raise>
Can Malcanthet grant spells?

Well, if Demon Lords can grant spells or not, is up to you to decide in your campaign. In my campaigns they can grant spells, but they are nearly on-par with gods concerning their power level, i.e., unkillable for anything but level 60+ characters, which don't appear in my campaign world.

If you prefer demon lords to be killable by lets say level 20-25 characters, then it is quite unrealistic that they can grant up to level 9 spells on their own.

Another solution would be that demon lords can manipulate who gets granted spells directly from the Abyss, which would solve the dilemma in the latter case.


John Maki wrote:

Concerning the Spell "Acid Dart", which is listed as a 1st level spell in the Pathfinder Beta rules under Conjuration School (page 195) and as a 1st level spell under Earth Domain (page 178):

The spell is not fully listed in the Spells section of the rules. There is only a brief description in the locations above, which says "you can unleash an acid dart targeting any foe within 30 feet as a ranged touch attack. The acid dart deals 1d6 points of acid damage +1 for every two caster levels you possess." There is no information provided as to duration, saving throw, or spell resistance.

My question is this: Is Acid Dart a smaller version of Acid Arrow? Acid Arrow deals 2d4 damage. Significantly, Acid Arrow deals another 2D4 damage for an additional round per three caster levels. If the spells are equivalent in action, but not in power, would not an Acid Dart also deal additional 1d6 damage in subsequent rounds per three caster levels?

There is no spell with the name "Acid Dart" in Pathfinder. The ability you mention under conjuration school and earth domain does exactly what is listed. There is no duration, as it just does 1d6 + 1 per 2 caster levels acid damage, no save, and no spell resistance as it is a supernatural ability.


Majuba wrote:


Since Wild Empathy used to be the Animal Empathy skill, and operates as the Diplomacy skill, I think you're on target. I'd price at

2000 for Natural Armor + 900 for handle animal + 1350 for wild empathy = 4250 * X^2.

No cost to remain functional in wild shape - all constant effect items (that aren't armor) stay in effect in wild shape now.

Ah, your are right, so that will pose no problem at all.

Majuba wrote:


No way in hell stack the Natural armor with the wild shaping. If you want that, at least double the cost of the natural armor.

Oh, I just looked it up and it seems we are both wrong. Beast shape/elemental body/etc give you a natural armor bonus and not an enhancement bonus to natural armor, so they stack already.


Thanks for the comments guys, I also agree with most of Kaeyoss figures. I will use the Greater Ring of Defense with a price of 4,500gp x bonus squared and drop the Superior one, its just to complicated with the damage reduction.

I also ditch the Strength bonus of the gauntlets, they only give you 2 extra rounds of rage per day, which should be equal to or less than one fourth of the effect of an Extra Rage feat and are thus priced at 2,500gp.

Another item would be the following:
Amulet of Nature's Avatar
You gain a +X enhancement bonus to your natural armor and a +3*X competence bonus on handle animal and wild empathy checks. The amulet remains functional in wild shape even when it melds into your form and its enhancement bonus to natural armor stacks with the one granted by the wild shape class feature. Since it remains functional this item still occupies your amulet slot during wild shape, even if it is no longer visible.

As usual X is at most 5.

Any ideas? Of course there is a formula for the natural armor bonus and for the bonus on handle animal. The bonus on wild empathy can probably be calculated in the same way. Which would give a base price of 3,800gp times bonus squared if you don't increase any of the parts by the usual 50% rule. 4,700gp times bonus squared if you do. But what about the part on wild shape?


Thanks for the comments KaeYoss

KaeYoss wrote:


Deflection: Bonus Squared x 2000
Resistence: Bonus Squared x 1000 (*1.5 for multiple effects)
Defense: I'd say Bonus Squared x 1000 (kinda like AC) (*1.5 for multiple effects)

That means all in all: Bonus Swuared x 5000

Yeah, that sounds about right. As you mentioned I would lower it to 4500 times bonus squared as it is only the CM DC and not your whole combat maneuver bonus.

KaeYoss wrote:


DR ? I'd say a lot. It's not something you can easily get. For the whole item, Bonus Squared x10000 should be about right.

That would put a +1 version at 10.000gp and a +5 version at 250.000gp. I think I will have to ditch this item then, since at 10.000gp no one wants something that only gives them +1 to deflection/saves/CM DC.

KaeYoss wrote:


The extra rounds are more or less a feat (Extra Rage), so it's somewhere around 10000 for that effect, though you can lessen that a bit I'd say.

Well, the old 3.5 feat Extend Rage was +5 rounds per rage which translates to 30 additional rounds of rage for a 20th level barbarian. So the equivalent feat for pathfinder should give at least +6 to +8 rounds of rage per day. So one should probably lessen this a lot.

KaeYoss wrote:


The +2 Strength (for most intents and purposes unnamed, since I can't think of any other morale bonuses), I'd say Bonus Squared x 2500 at least.

Its basically a part of the rage spell, with the difference that it is only active when you rage, so 10.000 seams way to much.

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