I would say yes since opportunist only works once a round and snap shot increases your effective AoO range. You would be better off taking the rogue talent for combat reflexes if your going the Imp. SS feat route though.
Dunno about demi-liches, but right now, a Wizard can pretty much own Golens. There are lots of spells with SR:No and spells that are made to affect constructs too.
My only thoughts about that is your average golem is CR 8+, where casters will be of sufficient strength to have a bevy of spells to deal with magic immunity (assuming APL+1 you will have 3rd or 4th circle spells). at the suggested CR for just my 2 example creatures (there are more in the books, but Allip=CR 3, Werewolf=CR 2) your average fighter will be at either starting gear or 900g WBL, which is not even enough for a magic weapon. So he is useless against the Allip and can only hurt the werewolf if he deals 10 points of damage or more (at level 1-2 we are talking near max damage rolls).
I will add to all of this though it really depends on who your DM is and what your party composition is, experiences will vary when it comes to monster encounters.
Not in Pathfinder, they overvalue sneak attack waaaaay too much for that to happen. In 3.5 D&D, there were plenty of ways to go about it. Simplest was just UA's fighter variant that traded bonus feats for SA, but...that was a bad trade. If you just multiclassed rogue-ish and full BAB type classes and added in SA boosters (like Assassin's Stance, for +2d6 SA), you could effectively end up with practically full BAB and full SA progressions.
Elamdri wrote:
A class with full BAB and Sneak Attack would be unbalanced.
1. Lolno.
2. Witness, "Exhibit A"
If there is a Martial Class that has a full BAB and Full Sneak Attack, why the HELL would you play any other martial character?
I do agree that SA is not worth much compared to other damage boosters like power attack. In our group we have a heavy melee dynamic, flanking will be easy so it was on my list of damage boosters, though I may just swap to inquisitor for free teamwork feats without the team needed.
Is there any way to mix the two title elements in a class? I started looking under rogue variants but I figure fighter/barb might have a solution.
Note: not looking for self buffs, magic, or items that "close the gap" for 3/4 BAB'ers, I am looking for a full BAB option to get sneak attack if there is one out there.
Pretty much what Elamdri said. It's a trade-off.
Rogues have much more versatility in skills and debuffs (from Rogue talents, Sneak Attack and the like), so allowing Rogues a full BAB option would upset the balance between a Rogue and another melee with full BAB.
It's about as broken as allowing a Paladin to cast spells as per a Cleric. Insane saves and immunities, high armor, swift self-healing, AND the ability to buff to even further levels, plus resurrect? Why even have a Cleric if a Paladin has the same capabilities as a Cleric except more (and anything it doesn't have makes Cleric class features look like fecal matter from a dog).
Agreed, but unarmed fighter steals some of the monk's interesting bits (style feats for cheap) so I figured it was worth an ask.
@Tristan Low templar seems interesting and might fit the campaign (apocolypse) well, thanks!
Agreed with Lemmy. Also saves and AC are universally good so saying someone needs them feels like a "duh" statement.
Something like fighters needing magical weapons to be effective against incorporeal or DR20/pancakes(insert proper DR type here) is the only real complaints with substance. Spellcasters would never run into a creature that can laugh at magic (demilich, golems) at the levels that most people play PF at, but fighters can run into things with weird or high DR at much lower CRs (allip, werewolf) in comparison.
Edit:
Oh, another annoyance for fighters can be loot. If I as a DM were to use the random treasure tables the fighter that went weapon training, focus, and specialization in lets say kukri would probably never see a magical kukri come up and be penalized just because his class makes him specialize to get the greatest benefit.
I will admit though for some groups this is not a problem as you might have a magic mart within mini-questing distance, but that might not work either based on city size/party location/campaign setting.
Is there any way to mix the two title elements in a class? I started looking under rogue variants but I figure fighter/barb might have a solution.
Note: not looking for self buffs, magic, or items that "close the gap" for 3/4 BAB'ers, I am looking for a full BAB option to get sneak attack if there is one out there.
Take the gnome archetype experimental Gunsmith, it is both awesome and fun. My only wish is that it wasn't a gnome only archetype but you won't have that problem
Black Blades are only as powerful as the GM decrees. It is an intelligent item, which has its own alien agenda.
Playing someones character via GM fiat will alienate your players asap. Bladebound might be powerful, but I seriously doubt they can top a barb, summoner, or even a optimized fighter.
Wow it is like Ross wasn't even in here with how you guys go right back to being at each others throats. Please get out of this thread if you are not going to help the OP, petty arguing in loops makes all of you look just as bad as the people you claim to hate or not be like.
On topic: OP has said it is difficult to remove the guy since he has known him for awhile, and honestly while his player/s reading the adventure path sucks, a notepad with some clever editing will fix all his problems. At this point he either needs to make the decision to curtail any problems before they come up (make GM rulings and have them be known before the game starts, write them down and do character audits to be double sure), or make the harder decision and remove this guy from his gaming group.
seems like lowering the cost of the item and making it for 1st and 2nd circle spells that you know would balance it out and make it a caster only useful object.
Trick I would use is start talking to the guy that you instead bought a different module, say module "X". Tell him you think your going to have it take a heavy undead/demon/draconic(whatever is opposite of your selected module) arc instead of the normal monster selection. You have everyone make characters, he will make his based upon module X with a specific focus to kill a certain type of monster. Then you pull out skulls and shackles after characters are made with monsters of the opposite persuaion and ruin his day completely.
If someone is failing twice on will saves then they deserve all the bad stuff that follows. It could easily be charm or sleep or any number of worse things. As is ill omen is not that impressive to use on players. I know I would just use acrobatics as part of my movement the next round, fail that roll and then smash the little witches face in with my now unhindered attack roll.
Only easy element changer that I know of is the admixture subschool, but that doesn't help our druid friend. If you are really worried about fire/flame just don't use it, druids have plenty of options with natures ally shapeshifting and a pile of utility/buff spells, as well as damage and debuffs that don't rely on fire.
unfortunately most of those are in Ultimate magic and ultimate combat. If you are stuck using core and APG it will certainly limit your options, I still cast my vote for power attack with outflank as your changeable teamwork feat.
I would say stay straight inquisitor. You are at a point where they come into their own and if you are worried about spell progression just use favored levels to pickup spells off the list you might be interested in. For combat judgement/teamwork feats make up for the lack of BAB and with your stats I would say take the power attack feat since with outflank and burst of speed you should have no problem getting into flanking position. With your AC being decent and the ability to self heal being a front-liner for you should not be a big deal either, and your damage with PA and bane is nothing to sneeze at either (extra 2d6+4 per swing).
Most of the doctors "powers" come from technology he uses. At best I would peg him as a 5th level skill monkey rogue that has master craftsman and craft wondrous item feats.
I am surprised Inquisitors are not getting more love. They can do everything a bard does but better, and without sacrificing combat prowess or utility to do so. Not to mention their spell selection is pretty amazing. You can make a inquisitor that can do every roll, nearly all at once:
Face: 6+int skills and huge skill list
Sneaky trap guy: take disable device via traits and your set.
Melee: Start off as a half-orc for falchion proficency and your damage will grow exponentially as you level.
Healer: take the healing domain or pump wis for bonus spells per day
Blaster: arguably their weakest roll, inquisitors still have some nice blast/utility spells like judgement light and blistering invective, but really shine as a buffer/utility spellcaster instead.
1. yes it adds +2 hit/dmg
2. This part should be obvious to the character unless the GM wants to state that you have never seen creatures of type X, and in that case it would be a knowledge roll (Arcane, Nature, Planes, Dungeoneering) using the inquisitor ability monster lore. Also if it doesn't work you can swift action change what your bane works against so keep swingin.
I agree with the change to monsters/custom monsters it will take players off their game. Also I love mind control. Stuff like charm, confusion and dominate really puts players on edge because all of their strengths become yours and you have players biting their nails wondering if they are gonna cause their party to wipe.
you are taking and adding base damage to all of your crits and on spirited charge plus the initial base damage, so you have base damage in there 3 times when it is only in the formula once.
depends on the size of the city. You could have things like the crumbing clock tower that hosts a nest of flying monsters or the farmstead that has grown over with yellow musk creeper that has turned all the farm animals into plant zombies.
The ARG does not make them into a PC race. It just gives you options to use with them. The only PC races are still the ones in the core book. Anything other race is by GM approval only aka houserule.
Incorrect.
From "Introduction"
"But the Advanced Race Guide is more than that. While
the Pathfinder RPG has always featured a variety of races
for players to roleplay, this book alone offers 36 different
playable races, not counting subraces, and this is merely a
starting point".
From "Navigating this book":
"Each section details a number of alternate racial traits, favored
class rewards, archetypes, feats, equipment, magic
items, and spells designed specifically for those players
interested in creating such characters".
Bolded mine.
The intent is obviously to let players play these races, and the ARG gives you the tools to do it.
There was a druid variant of some kind in one of the old Rise of the Runelords AP books, but I forgot which one it was, and the name of the druid variant. It also might be 3.5e only, sadly.
Just found it. It is called Ashvawg Tamer and yea it allows you to mess with magical beasts, but from a select list. Close but not quite what I was looking for. Thanks though
As the title says, been looking for a class that can control magical beasts beyond just their mount/"Animal Companion". Only thing I have found so far is wild empathy can be used to diplomacy MBs of 1 or 2 int, but aside from spells I have not had much luck. Anyone know of a class/archetype/ability?
Yea each size category increase nets you the additional bonuses beyond what is listed so yea, +24 str for gargantuan from medium.
Also agree with skylancer, Dragons in their home turf or with any sort of prep time (even 1-3 rounds) are scary as hell. Especially big ones with buff/damage spells, flyby attack, and of course a wicked breath weapon. As a GM you will need to make sure that you think ahead for a dragon encounter and not flip to the page they are on only when the party enters their room/lair. I would drop 2 to 4 CR from the encounters exp/treasure (bigger they are and more spells they have the higher the drop in CR) if you did not pre-plan it.
going from medium to gargantuan is already a huge bonus to damage.
Size Table
The creature will have a STR score 24 points higher than before, which is +12 to hit and damage per swing.
Unless there is something I missed I do not think that would work.
"When your nonlethal damage equals your current hit points, you're staggered, and when it exceeds your current hit points, you fall unconscious".
/Bolded mine.
The way I read this is if you were at negatives nonlethal damage equal to your current negative HP remaining (so if i was at -20 with a total capacity of -40, 20 points would do it) would knock you unconscious.
So yea you wouldn't die but your combat effectiveness in negatives would be minimal.
For thematics Blistering invective is just fun. You intimidate people to set them on fire! Battlemind Link is always really nice if you do appropriate setup with a party member.
The only problem I see is not with the feat, but with the approaches people use to get the feat. Taking dips of monk or unarmed fighter just for this feat line means it is worth too much for its level, and MoMS and Unarmed fighter should have the free style feats pushed slightly higher into the build so that dips become multiclassing and all the powergamers stop abusing it.
Monks that use this feat line, carry on. You already have enough problems without people trying to steal your only good points.
If you really do want more spells some races have inquisitor favored levels giving them just that(Human for example). It is definitely not underpowered as the inquisitor spell list is amazing. They get a fair amount of unique spells and buffs that will allow you to not dumpstat wis and keep the character as a strong martial option.
@MisterSlanky I do agree with the general comparison but Inquisitor got the long end of this stick as their skill AND combat prowess are both very good without much sacrifice like bards have to do.
Favored bonus: +2 Effective CON for the purposes of negative HP and dying (FTR)
Traits:
Strong Will (+1 to will saves)
Berserker of the Society (+3 rage rounds/day)
1:Barbarian: Rage, Fast movement, Power attack
2:Fighter: Toughness
3:Fighter: Ferocious Action, Wep. Focus (Falchion), Bravery 1
4:Fighter: Armor Training 1
5:Fighter: Raging Vitality, Ferocious Tenacity
6:Alchemist: Alchemy, Sneak attack +1d6, Brew Potion, Mutagen, Throw anything
7:Alchemist: Discovery(Healing hands),Poison resistance +2,Poison use, Iron Will
8:Alchemist: Sneak attack 2d6, Beastmorph Mutagen (Scent?)
9:Alchemist: Discovery (Lingering Spirit), Improved critical
10:Fighter: Weapon Training 1(Blades, Heavy)
11:Fighter: Weapon specialization (Falchion), Resilient Brute, Bravery 2
12:Fighter: Armor training 2
13:Fighter: Greater weapon spec.(Falchion),Greater Wep. focus (Falchion)
14:Fighter: Weapon training 2(Blades, Heavy/Natural)
15:Fighter: Raging Brutality, Improved Iron Will, Bravery 3
16:Fighter: Armor Training 3
17:Fighter: Critical Focus, Grudge fighter
18:Fighter:Weapon Training 3(Blades, Heavy/Natural/Thrown)
19:Fighter: Sickening Critical, Stunning Assault, Bravery 4
20:Fighter: Armor Training 4
With a 18 base CON, Belt of perfection +6, Rage +4, Raging Vitality +2, Mutagen +4, Levels +4, Dying "CON" favored bonus +30, Dying "CON" bonus from lingering spirit +10 = 38 actual CON while raging and juiced (free action+standard action) at level 20 would give this fellow an average of 417.5 hp at 20th level, with the ability to go to -78 before dying. this gives him an effective HP of 494.5 which puts him fairly close to the Tarrasque in terms of staying power, with saves of +27/+16/+13(+17vs. fear, +1 re-roll) after items.
Would be using a +4 int/wis headband to be able to use 2nd level extracts and bolster the will save
This build ekes out another ~30 hp over a straight barb build with a fighter dip like the one STR fighter linked, and could be modified for more survivability. Ones I toyed with were Going Unbreakable fighter for the Heroic feat line(saves), or taking vestigial arm and going Thunderstriker for a 2-hander/buckler combo(AC).
I wonder how high into the negatives we can get him? I tried to Maximise his DR to make him even harder to kill.
Or is the fighter/barb/alchemist just heaps better?
I almost went straight orc warrior with a dip in barb for the favored class +2 effective con, it scales really nicely. However, the alchemist has mutagens (+4 con -2 cha, lasts 40 minutes per go),the +10 effective con for dying discovery (10 for 4 levels vs the 8 for 4 levels of fighter), and you get lesser restoration to boot if you can muster a 12 int which means more combats with rage.
Most likely the extra levels from 10-20 would be straight fighter for the favored bonus, but that leaves open a lot of options for feat builds.
I will try to work on and post a build here later
I cannot imagine an Inquisitor who is not the enforcer for some institution. In fact, I would not allow an Inquisitor PC unless they have some powerful council of priests and other Inquisitors to whom they answer.
I would say there can be an inquisitor without the need for someone in a mitre telling you what to do. If you are a fan of video games the belmont clan could be considered inquisitors. They semi-martial badarses with holy powers to supplement them, but without any of the codes that a paladin might have to hold them back.
Also keep in mind greater planar beings of good seeing an evil wizard forcing their brethren into servitude might cause some heavy smiting of either the wizard or even the bound creature, as to prevent them from doing evil.
Was an NPC I introduced briefly but I never got to try the concept out before we switched to PF and houseruled no 3.5 books. Made a Gelun Druid/Walker in the wastes shapeshifter that was fun to play out, but sadly after the PCs were done assisting him they teleported away and left him to his own devices.
The setup I played with was of Orc Barb 1 Fighter 4 Alchemist (Beastmorph/Vivisectionist)4
I did 18 con +2 from level +4 from belt +4 from rage +4 from mutagen gave the character a con of 32 while raging and mutated. With toughness, lingering spirit, ferocious action, and 4 levels of favored class fighter(+8 effective con for dying).
this makes a character that has an average HP of 162 at 9th level while raging, with the ability to go down to -50 before dying, and is still capable of taking his full actions while dying without needing diehard and endurance.
I looked at the deathless feats and while they are cool for when you go into negatives the amount of feats they take would make the character worse off than if I just took stuff like weapon focus, power attack, weapon spec, and imp. crit, and grudge fighter(+1 hit/dmg when someone swings at you).
FYI - I could easily beat that with an Alchemist with either a dip of Fighter or Barbarian.
I know that lingering spirit will have a few more points until i get more fighter levels, but the Orc favored class scales quite nicely. If there is something I am missing feel free to post details
i thought i might as well post here to get clarity:
is it consensus that the only really beneficial legal usage of jotungrip
is on larger-size bastard swords/dwarven waraxes/et al, given the RAW of how it works?
to me, that is ridiculously stupid that the ability is so pidegonholed into the '1handed 2handed weapons'.
It wasn't the authors intent for it to be that useless, but the editors and dev team made sure that it was errata'ed into uselessness. Original intention was for the reduction in size penalty to allow the wielder to use larger weapons once the penalty was removed (huge greatsword for example would require a reduction of the -4 size penalty before you could use it).
I would say that it was edited into uselessness. Errata implies that they changed it after it was published, which is what we're all hoping they do.
It used to work for firearms quite well, but they added an errata that made it melee weapons only. I was mostly sad that they did an errata and it didnt do anything but make the archetype less useful
You could scare him even more by going into the destruction domain and taking a +1 keen falchion. My inquisitor was regularly critting for 70+ damage, with my highest damage output killing a ice devil in 1 round at the same level your at.( I had haste)
i thought i might as well post here to get clarity:
is it consensus that the only really beneficial legal usage of jotungrip
is on larger-size bastard swords/dwarven waraxes/et al, given the RAW of how it works?
to me, that is ridiculously stupid that the ability is so pidegonholed into the '1handed 2handed weapons'.
It wasn't the authors intent for it to be that useless, but the editors and dev team made sure that it was errata'ed into uselessness. Original intention was for the reduction in size penalty to allow the wielder to use larger weapons once the penalty was removed (huge greatsword for example would require a reduction of the -4 size penalty before you could use it).
Thanks all for the feats/class combos (except jiggy, useless). Was mostly curious to see what kind of combo provided the most longevity via hp and it seems that orc fighter with a barb dip brings in the top spot by the level I am looking at (5th). I would like to be able to have a character that has the hp to not care about AC, and this guy seems to fit the bill.
Orc fighter 4/Barb 1(unless there is another way to get rage?)
Take ferocious action and then whichever feats, should end up netting me
17con+1 level stat+2 belt +4 rage= 26con +2"con"/lvl for dying purposes= -34 before the character drops at level 5, with an average hp of 72 while raging.
Hey all, was looking for any feats/class features/archetypes that allow you to either prevent dying, take less damage while in negatives, or increase the effective con score of a player for reaching death.
So far all I can find besides diehard and orcish ferocity is is
Ferocious Tenacity and Fight On
Our group has had many a chuckle by coming up with crazy and/or stupid ways of bypassing traps. We had a cleric summon a bear once just so it could take up the whole hallway and trigger anything. This worked ok until the wizard got turned to ash from the fireball trap because he wanted to follow right behind the bear. Fun times.
If he wants to play a wizard, let him. In our group, new characters usually come with one level less than the survivors.
In my opinion that's the worst idea that ever started to spread through the rpg community.
And I for my part stopped playing with GMs who do that, some time ago.
losing a character from bad dice rolls is hard enough. Forcing a player to lose a level on top of that is just adding insult to injury. If you feel the need to have some sort of "don't die for stupid reasons" punishment, I would suggest a new character wealth reduction, since usually the party cannibalizes the fallen member's gear anyways.
On a side note, melee caster is quite doable. I have personally been wanting to try out the Orc witch variant that uses con for casting.
