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I'd like to see someone* do Scarred Lands PDFs. Likely the part that would make some other SL fans cry, I'd love to see the spells/prestige classes brought (powerwise) in-line with current PFRPG offerings. Some of them are just really powerful even compared to Pathfinder. * Spoiler:
Someone competent, mind you. :-P Like others, I was hoping for more info on Golarion-psionics atmosphere. Reading Castrovel now. Edit: The moon is interesting. Question, didn't the Worldwound's appearance coincide with Aroden's death? Edit II: Redskinned humans, 12' tall grey skinned giants? Ah Akiton, you seem so familiar and loved. (and free from Disney). Fuzzies of Matthew's Golarion.
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I put a number of 'animal headed' races on my Red Planet. It runs a lot like Barsoom, replace Green Martians with Sibbicai/Gnolls, Red Martians with Litorians/Catfolk, Therns with elves (fled Golarion via Star, er, Elfgates). Alchemists and Gunslingers even allow my version to have no clerical magic and radium guns :-) I do think that the culture is what makes the race. Part of my love of the 'halfs' (-elf, -orc, dhampir, planetouched etc) is that I can take a human culture and 'twist' is slightly rather than the whole thing. I created a 'Children of Bast' background years ago. Lost most of it in a hard-drive crash, but what I remember... Desert Children
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Nomadic 'Arabian' style. Practiced slavery and modesty, the only time you would 'show flesh' was if you were planning to sell it. honourable, looking like lynx folk. Jungle Children Spoiler:
Lionfolk. Proud, barbaric, polygamous tribe. The women ran the council but only the first wife, the other wives were subbordinant. They were the tiger riders (mostly rangers). The males rode smilodons and had one representative on the council. An unwed female could also become a rider, but the society treated her as a male, complete with having the ability to have a wife and her have a seat on the council. 'True Children' Spoiler:
Based on the Egyptian cats in appearance. Live in the ruins of their ancient cities, in the underdark as well. They don't have divine magic and insanely rant that they were the first race. Of course they're right. chopswil wrote:
There's only so much reality warping that Paizo can do. ;-) I agree with Set abotu revisiting Taldor/Andoran, etc. I mean I use Osimaptra myself but still, more data would be nice. Some form of Shadow Magic would be nice. As always, people wanting Pact magic, I'll point to Radiance House. All IMHO of course. I don't mind 'revised' systems, which is what 3.5 is to 3.9 (and apparently essentials is to 4.0) Vampire got better (to me) with each 'revision') (Though it's now called 3rd on drivethrurpg) Major changes in mechanics rate more the 'edition' change to me. BECMI to AD&D is an 'edition' 2e to 3e is an 'edition' 3e to 4e is an 'edition' If Pathfinder 2 is just cleaning and clarification of rules it's a 'revision' if it's new mechanics, it's an edition. Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Now we're down to parsing editions? "3.5 isn't a new edition. It's fully compatible with the version of 3.x brought out earlier, only a few elements were redesigned. So there's less than meets the eye to that, especially considering the 2nd Ed to 3.x change introduced more changes that [sic] 3.5 did to 3.0" Seriously. I expect 5e to contain elements of 4.x as well as previous editions. I'll be curious to see a) how big the PHB is and b) how much it is. Will it be a Pathfinder sized tome? wraithstrike wrote:
For the first, it's that (especially for fighters) you could go +2 racial +2 Alertness +3 skill focus and +2 Sharp senses for a 3 feats = +9 Again I was thinking fighters with their bonus feats (meaning they can spend regular feats on this) but might not have enough SP to go 'round. the second it's just "My last three characters got killed by ambushes. This time..." Someone suggested "Why not just take Cosmopolitan and get the skill?" I was listing "You can't" as a reason to take this instead of Cosmopolitan. Kthulhu wrote: Why would anyone buy the Rules Cyclopedia? It's just a re-hashed BECMI. I know you're being sarcastic, but I wanted to hit on this point. I bought the RC because it was cleaned compiled and all in one area. A "Pathfinder Rev" would get my attention with the same design goal. I think one other difference is that pesky OGL. When any of the examples above was phased out for the brand new thing, you had to accept that not only would no one be producing new supliments, no one would be making new core rule books. It was harder to introduce the 'old game' to new players, as the supply of books was finite, and steadily shrinking. "Retro-clones" can be made with the OGL, but they don't have the traction of a recently 'freed' player base. If Washington got hit by a meteor tomorrow, Pathfinder's core rules would survive in the cloud. JBE or Rite or someone else could publish the rules, SGG could still make supliments w/o packs of lawyers descending. Golarion would be lost, but not Pathfinder. If WotC's 5e doesn't use the 4.x engine, and they discontinue 4.x, it's as dead as 1e. Nickolas Russell wrote:
Actually, James is wrong I fear. Tomb of Magic is closed content. Binding isn't WotC's 'intellectual property' anymore than a wendigo. Plus...
"Secrets of Pact Magic wrote: All game mechanics and statistics are to be considered Open Game Content. The Radiance House logo, all trademarks and registered trademarks, proper names (characters, spirits, deitites, artifacts, places, etc), dialogue, plots, storylines, language, concepts, incidents, locations, characters, artwork, logos, and trade dress herein are copyrighted by Dario Nardi and are not Open content. So the mechanics in Secrets of Pact Magic are open content. I've been re-reading his work, to see if I can come up with enough to do a Donna's Dozens for pact magic. Another vote for Secrets (and Villians) of Pact Magic. As to where I put Pact Magic in Golarion? I actually play up the 'secret' part that Dr. Nardi went with in Villians. Pact magic is frowned on by most churches (calling on non-deities, not sure what they're calling on) and I make it part of the 'lost Azlanti' stuff they used to fight the serpentfolk and Aboleth. Aspects of Golarion? Aroden is a natural idea, as are other 'fallen' deities. I'd think someone might try to bind an aspect of the starstone. Anyone else look at the ghoul and think Alas, poor Yorick! I ate him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent taste; he hath filled my nagging belly a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips that I have rudely chewed off. Where be your ribs now? Diffan wrote: It's not a popularity contest and it's more than an opinion. Offering varying aspects in spellcasting says "hey, we Love vancian casting. Our opinion is that Wizards and Clerics should use vancian spellcasting because it's been done that way for 25+ years. Yet here is system X, Y, and Z for people of opposite opinion which work equally well (or better) than Vancian." THAT is what I hope they're trying to accomplish, not that Vancian system is the be-all, end-all way of casting spells. If they do that, we're all good. If they don't, it's telling us that their opinion is more important or better than ours (ie. not cool). Now we're back to Unearthed Arcana, with the spellpoint rules and the 3d6 for those who like bellcurves. (I keep expecting to see "Hitler laments the return of Vancean magic" Downfall parodies.) Um, because it's D&D Scott. D&D w/o Vancean casting is (as someone else put it) Starwars w.o lightsabres. Or Battletech w/o Mechs. Or Mutants and Masterminds w/o superheroes. You yourself said there are several other game systems out there that don't use Vancean casting. I believe I've read posts that it still existed in some form in 4.x. You may call it "little more than nostalgia and tradition" but it is part of the game. As much as the funny shaped dice. Clark Peterson wrote:
I'd add that sometimes letting a non-gamer read the product helps. You can be sure they *won't* think like you, and also if they go "That's cool" you might be on to something.* * Spoiler:
Unless they're a twilight fan. If so, then back to square 1 Sebastian wrote: String theory proves that the 4th dimension exists. And Hair proves the 5th dimension exists. Mike Schneider wrote: Considering how pathetically suboptimal Rich Parents is beyond the kindergarten levels, the Big Cheeses are doing y'all a favor by banning it. But it's useful for getting through those 'kindergarden' levels. ;-) More seriously, I understand not wanting to share the discussion (even if I disagree). I'm not sure what would cause more grief. The "We said so" ruling or discussing the duscussion that led to the ruling. Josh M. wrote:
I was about to write words to this effect. It would be like playing Battletech w/o mechs, or Doctor Who w/o time travel. Vancean casting is part and parcel of D&D.* * Spoiler:
I am trying very hard NOT to enjoy the thought of those people who cheered the loss of D&D style casters in 4e wailing and gnashing their teeth at the possibility/likelyhood of their return.
But I'm a Hermit, not a saint. Readerbreeder wrote:
I wonder how Unearthed Arcana's sales were. No offence intended to Monte, but his best of falls into that 'wasn't published by WotC' thing I mentioned above. Jerry Wright 307 wrote:
Free? No, Elton goes too far with his visions. But I still find myself wondering if a 'delayed freedom' might help products. One thing that was a balancing point WotC tried to juggle was if their suppliment books should reference anything outside the SRD. This left 'orphan classes' that never got support until the end.* A '5e SRD' I'd think might be best served a mixture of the two. Put out elements of 'the core three' in an SRD. Wait a bit and put out the rest. Put out a 'complete gish' and six months (or however long the sales lifecycle is estimated to be) put that out as OGL In the meantime, you've released books with closed content feats for the core classes/monsters etc. You've also release books with supliments for the 'complete gish'. Now once the 'complete gish' stuff is added to the SRD, there's a demand for the suplimental material all over again. Plus there's the 'free advertising' aspect that comes with it. The only place to find a duskblade was in a WotC adventure** With my model, I envision a 'second wave' adventure from (for example) Frog God Games, would result in a duskblade appearing in that 3PP adventure, sending the GM (and the players) to th SRD or to the books for this class, and sparking new interest in the (still) closed content from the newer books. Of course I also wondered why WotC never used the SRD in reverse. Publish a book once a year that takes the best 3PP OGL content and puts it in a WotC hard cover. Sure unearthed Arcana was a start, but bascially you're development costs of a 'best of' book are covered. And at the very least you'll sell it to the 'zombies' who only buy 'official content'.*** *Shrug* I'm an amature writer not a businessman. * Spoiler:
Dragon Magic being one of the bigger examples. I don't know how well that sold, but people were screaming for more Warlock stuff IIRC. ** Spoiler:
Or an official product like Dragon/Dungeon magazine *** Spoiler:
Not meant as an edition slam, check the other publisher boards for examples of people who are the same about Pathfinder Diffan, IMNSHO, I think the two things to remember are that a) Midnight was mortal, not all the gods were, and b) she's still young and learning 'off panel'. I'd guess that a conversation about the red wizards would have gone like this.
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Midnight/Mystra: I'm going to shut down Thay's magic. Azmuth: Why? M: Because they're EVIL! A: *sighs* I know you're new at this, but you're the goddess of magic now, not the goddess of punishing people you didn't like when you were mortal. Are they a threat to the Weave? M: Well, no... A: Are they spreading magic? M: Evil magic! A: Leave aside good and evil. That's for Torm and Cyric to decide. M: *Mutters* A: Are they spreading magic? M: Yes. A: And as the result of the actions you personally don't like, are they causing new spells to be invented? M *sighs in frustration* Yes. A: Then you can't punish them. M: Fine! Don't forget, Talos (not Grummish, damnit!) was making inroads in stealing evocation because she wasn't focusing on all magic. Even the 'veteran' gods make mistakes. I mean look at Karsus. Mystril: *bebopping along, protecting the weave, enjoying new magic being created* That Karsus guy has potentital.
Edit: Also there's the 'big gods break the world' aspect. If Mystra denies Talos magic, then Talos sends thunderstorms to level Shadowdale, which gets Chauntena mad so his people don't get crops, then Waukeen's commerse gets disrupted.... It's no fun being a god without worshipers. "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." - Groucho Marx. Adding my case. Boxes back to front, left to right. some weird distribution
So I got more medusae and specters than lizardmen and orcs.
Working on renovating the basement, so I may have to do some side by side of the D&D Goblins and spiders and their pathfinder counterparts. Aazen wrote: Figures. They're cancelling Static. Which when I went to subscribe it wasnt on the list, so you know they planned it to fail at the start. They're canceling Hawk and Dove. BUT! They're giving Rob Suckfeld Hawkman and some other title. So cancel those titles as well. Great business model guys... Anyone else notice that Simone is off Firestorm? More Static comments here I still think there should be a DCAU 'kids' series.
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