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My Archeologists have personalities and backstories that are growing still. (For example, after some amazing acrobatics and climb checks, Shankar now yells 'Parkour!" right before he makes a jump.
I've three (maybe 4 after tonight) blobs of outsider, one assimar, two tieflings in case I have to move to Florida.*
*[spoiler]Most of my characters records are a mess, including the archeologists, so I wanted a couple spare outsiders if I have re relocate outside of Columbus, where that would be an issue.[spoiler]
It's ok to be confused. I live in that a lot.
My point posting here was to address the subject, not the character. Basically Paizo does engage in viewpoint discrimination, and it's not a bad thing in and of itself. On reflection, I find it kind of sad that the character is being defined as 'the trans iconic' rather than 'the shaman iconic' I mean Seelah isn't 'the black iconic' she's 'the paladin iconic'* Valeros is 'the fighter iconic'.
Likewise, if the iconic swashbuckler was defined as 'the left handed one' I'd still want her to be 'the swashbuckler iconic' and not 'the left handed iconic'. Just like Kyra is still 'the cleric iconic' and not 'the gay iconic' to most. I see it as a paradox, the stated goal of the LBGTALPHABETSOUP group is 'tolerance' but then when one is included as 'just another character' like the shaman, the conversation (for good and bad) focuses on what makes her different.
Funny story. I was running a scenario where a new (to me) player was playing the Seelah iconic. The BBEG becomes obsessed on one of the PCs, I chose him. After some probing questions, he looks at her picture, looks up at me and says, "This is because i'm black, isn't it!" Laughter ensued.
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Amusingly I looked around the movie theater at the end of X-2 and you could tell the comic book readers from the people who didn't. The comic book readers were leaning forward hoping to see the Phoenix Force in full CGI glory, while the non readers were 'what's with all this fire stuff?'
it's my understanding that the *original* X-3 idea was to build on Magneto's gadget in X-1, that not only did it mutate humans, it increased mutant powers. So the original cast, along with Magneto's Brotherhood were getting more powerful in the second movie and that would foreshadow a powered up Jean/Phoenix in the third movie. Would have made a nice compromise between giving us a movie Phoenix force and avoiding all the comic baggage. Might also have given us Fameke Jansen vamping it up as Dark Phoenix and not Zombie Phoenix.
Cintra Bristol wrote:
Cintra, that's the point I'm trying to make. Paizo doesn't *need* to make Seelah dark skinned, Kyra bi/gay (per the comics) or any female iconics at all. They *choose* to. Which means they spend the tine and effort to take those steps. I'm not complaining about it.
Erik's post confirms what I've said, they choose not to check the 'diversity box' of making a left handed iconic to represent lefties, because they feel the effort isn't worth it.
understanding that, some people might not feel it is worth the effort to make a Transconic, or a female iconic. You can disagree with them, but understand they feel they have a valid viewpoint.
(Aside, actually the minis are a perfect example. the first iconic Valeros mini was 'flipped' from the art, resulting in the longsword in his left hand. new Valeros matches the art, and as a result the minis don't match. I noticed it, but didn't think it worth commenting on. i chuckled and moved on.)
(Second aside, Mikaze noted that all the pictures of Aroden show him left handed. I joked that it meant the left handed iconic was a god)
As said above, Viewpoint discrimination is fine for private companies/organizations.
My 'issue' with the Transconic is the fanfair. Really, my real reaction is 'ah, so that's the trans iconic. *shrug*' If it was an issue at my tables I'd edit it out.*
Part of my semi-sarcastic pointing out of there not being a left handed iconic (seriously, we're 10% of the population!) is that being 'diverse' always runs into limits. Paizo expends the effort (in art orders, writing etc.) to make 'diverse' iconics of colour gender and sexuality. Paizo also puts a limit on how many resources they wish to put into making their iconics and their products truly diverse. Thus no left handed iconic because the expense of layout and ordering art is too much for them to justify making 10% of the population feel included.**
Aside the second, the Yeth Hound's 'Sinister Bite' needs to be renamed. That attack is using an offensive word.
There is nothing stopping someone from putting "PATHFINDR SUX ROX BECAUSE OF THEIR QUEERTY ICONICS" on a Facebook post, or a blog post, or putting it in the paper (well except those sites policies as well). If someone wants to put the same thing on the boards, then they can deal with the consequences of their actions.
Also, remember tolerance works both ways though. If a person gets enraged that their choices are considered 'wrong' by someone, then take a deep breath before attacking them for being 'wrong'. Else you're guilty of the same thing you're accusing the other of.***
Just like I edit Zarta's BDSM fetishes if I'm running First Steps, The Disappeared, or anything else that involves Zarta's bedroom, if there are kids there. Hells, for all I know, the kids are growing up in a D/s household where they know full well what those things are, because they've seen mommy cleaning them. But it's not my place to bring in the PG 13 aspects of life to kids. Better to err on the side of caution.
Of course, Left handiness makes us inherently superior, so we don't need iconics. :P
I'm specifically thinking of the 'change the body vs. change the mind' aspects of the transconic discussion. I just commented on the depression treatment changing the person inside, since I can speak directly to that. When I read the hostility to it in 'no that's wrong, you should change the body' I find myself wondering if they'd support amputations of Body integrity identity disorder instead of medicinal/psychological treatment.
Just getting caught up.
I heard about the ruling from the local VL.
My thing is, since I'm unemployed (again) I'll be able to make gaming tomorrow. I was planning to play a couple high tier scenarios, but now will likely be playing Accursed halls and shades of ice, with brand new level 1's to get a couple 'planetouched credits' under my belt for future concepts that might come up. As opposed to going for that half orc slayer. She can wait until after the 14th.
As to the new races, no concepts come to mind for me yet. Well except for the musket master kitsune. Think Rocket Raccoon as a fox.
Freehold DM wrote:
Loved transformers prime. Loved arcee, the approach to violence and death, and the kids grew on me over time.
They grew on me too, though I was glad for a kidless conclusion movie.
Of course I loved Arcee, I'm biased though, her voice actress is a) hot and b) a local girl.
One other thing I forgot about running this...
I have an 'Appalachian twang' that normally lays dormant, but I brought it out in force for this. Every NPC they met looked them up and down, and said, 'y'aren't from 'round here, are ya?"
So much that the party started saying "No, we're not from around here." before I could say it.
If you really play them up as nice but strange backwoods folk, it works best.
An excuse to watch the Mummy and drool over Patricia Vasquez and Rachel Weiz again? How can I resist?
It seems to me they've set up the second season for themes of identity.
*Colson's dealing with the influence of the drug/Supreme intelligence
*Fitz recovering from brain damage. How much of him is still him if he's normal intelligence?
*Skye dealing with her inhuman/kree/badoon heritage?
*Hopefully Ward trying to find who Ward is without a "Garret and" in front of his name.
Heck, depending on Fitz's state, there are some potential parallels between him and Ward if they've both lost key parts of themselves.
Edit: and Fury confirming that T.A.H.I.T.I. did save an Avenger was a moment of heartwarming by itself.
Edit 2: what if the doodle is a circuit diagram for a certain maleveloent A.I.?
Are human ethnicities and languages always available - or do you always need to bring the ISGW if your character uses them?
Have you read The Redemption Engine?
I was pleasantly surprised to find the two members of the Iridian Fold had a belief that women couldn't have that close of a bond. It made them more real to me, that their belief had a very visible flaw. Then again I like a Saranrae persecuting Taldor and a slightly misogynistic Erastil too as it makes things more "real" to me.
Thurston Hillman wrote:
First constructed for use during Taldor’s great purge of the Sarenite Cult of the Dawnflower, this +2 falcataAPG is inscribed with various religious slurs. While purging falcatas are typically attuned against followers of the Dawnflower, variants of this blade have been keyed to all variety of deities.
"Hey look, here's a sword specifically designed to attack one of our biggest faiths!"
First steps Pt 1 last night, the party is investigating.
The gnome (Lini) decides to interrogate... one of the cats.
So I'm scrambling to put everything in the cat's PoV. So they learn that yes, she treats the cats well, of course she treats them better than the small humans. They're cats after all, they're more important than the small humans. Then...
"Is there anything I can get for you?"
Cue the gnome running off *in the middle of the scenario* to buy fish for the cats.
Bonus that she didn't think to feed her animal companion any of the fish.
It is one of the paradoxes I've always liked in the concept of Marvel America, how one balances the potential of super powered chaos with personal freedoms.
The resentment/mistrust for (most!) powered people makes sense. I explained it to a friend who was a DeVry graduate and DC fan thus.
"You've spent what, 4 years in college getting your degree? How many late nights working? How much student loan debt? How long have you put off your family for this? And now you're competing in a field against people who are just as motivated as you.
"Now you're in an interview against Doug Ramsey. He's younger than you, hasn't had all the schooling, but luck in the genetic lottery means he's *at least* as good as you at computers, if not better. Plus, they can pay him less because he doesn't have all that college debt to deal with."
"That's a passive mutation. Now imagine a world where there are active mutations. People get scammed all the time. Add in telepathic nudges. Did your wife really just have a fling, or did she encounter someone with mind control. School shootings? Imagine if someone like Havok or Black Cannary went postal? What is a cop going to do, really, if Spiderman says frak it, and robs a bank? Marvel normals may love their Avengers, but it doesn't stop them from fearing them."
In the movie verse, think of the respect and fear Natasha has for Bruce. She may admire Bruce Banner, but she's rightfully terrified of the Hulk. To me that's what Civil War should have been about, and it also sums up Steve's fears of what SHIELD was doing. Don't forget, Nick was all for Insight, until he became suspicious of what it could do.
That's what I was thinking of. (It shows up in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes too.)
I was kind of amused that Hydra had, in addition to stealing all of their stuff, stolen the barbershop enterance too.
So you're calling everyone who ever worked on 3.X, where the same language existed prior to the ARG clarifying it, people without common sense? Wow. Stay classy there Winny.
It is conflicting styles, but how do you both feel about a GM who wants *something* to go on? Even if it is something as simple as "I want to compliment him on his hat and ask for the map."
As a GM, my personal preference is a cinamatic style of play with descriptions, but don't want to discomfort anyone (well not overly).
Part of being a good GM is adapting, not only to annoyances like in this thread, but to players comfort levels.
Another GM paranoid trick but requires a screen.
Want to make players paranoid? Grab a bunch of dice but make the damage dice special (like all of your red d6 but you grab a fist full of dice.) Roll all the dice for a horrendous noise, then lament your bad dice luck and announce the damage. Your players will simultaneously panic at the racket and breathe a sign of relief at your luck.
As a GM, I'm known for asking for saves for no reason (except paranoia)
Saturday, playing on trap fears.
"Ok I'll open the door."
That'd be cool. Wonder if they're actually going to get Tara Strong to play her (again). She actually kinda looks the part IRL, which is unusual for a voice actress.
While she's too old for Harley, I'd love it if we see a picture of Harley's parents and it's Paul Dini and Arlene Sorkin. :-)
In an older scenario, the party encounters a ghost ship. The fighter/shadowdancer hadn't invested in a magic weapon yet, since it was a party of four, he left the ghosts to the Kyra, sorcerer and wizard and jumped into the water to go down to the wreck.
His stealth was high enough that he snuck past <redacted> and skipped to the final encounter.
A giant squid, with 30' reach. Against a fighter 6, shadowdancer 1. You can guess what happened.
I almost got a TPK. The ghosts killed Kyra, and the two casters went down. If they'd done one less point of damage for the final round, the squid would have killed them all.
This has been known locally as the 'Squidcident'.
Freehold DM wrote:
I see what you did there.
*hands Freehold Avengers DVDs*
Bill Dunn wrote:
Living in rural SE Ohio, my first exposure to The Bard, to the Spartans, and who knows what else, came from X-men.
Kind of like how I discovered Coolridge and Tennyson from Iron Maiden.
Splinter, also white. Unless, of course, Danny Woodburn can do a mean Japanese accent...well, and he's a rat, so I suppose he'll be brown...unless he's an albino rat, in which case, yes, white.
Yes, because you can't have the voice actor not match the ink suit..
Good. It is one of the aspects of 'freshly thawed Cap' I enjoy being done well. I need to find Bageley's "Man out of Time" in a collected format. It's basically written as Steve waking up in 2010.
Half orc scouts into the room, rolls a one for his perception (giving him a 6) I describe the room, and the body on the floor, tell him he might see the glint of coins below the body. He walks in to stab the body, I ask for the d6 roll…
Three zombies he fails to notice get a surprise round! One hits, dropping him to 2 HP. Initiative is rolled, he withdraws as far as he can, past the rest of the party.
Me: The rest of you hear the sound of what seems to be a little girl crying in panic, then see your half orc friend go running past you, clutching his side in pain.
They dispatch the zombies and are disappointed to see the body was hiding shiny rocks.
After dispatching the oozes (almost resulting in dissolved paladin) and healing, they go fight the minotaur. It drops Janira, and is getting ready to Coup de grace her. (note, I missed he has Javalins to throw, this comes up later) Our paladins, and archeologist go running into combat. Minotaur drops paladin 1 to negatives, but he has die hard. Other paladin goes charging in, and draws the AoO. Now she’s at negatives (and doesn’t have die hard). Archeologist, being the only one in melee, tries to trip the minotaur, misses, and down he goes.
Half orc ranger is standing 70’ away, pinging with his crossbow ineffectually. Die Hard paladin swings, GM forgets he’s already at negs, minotaur returns the favour and now he’s permadead. After the archeologist goes down, it is pointed out to the ranger, “Well at least you no longer have the ‘in melee’ and cover penalties…”
Minotaur comes towards him. He gets off two more shots and retreats into the caves. Minotaur is still coming, but is squeezing now. Half orc is trying to draw him in (fortunately I had all the caverns maptiles, so making a tunnel was easy). Minotaur moves, half orc is going: Shoot, move. Move, reload. Shoot, move.
GM suddenly remembers (as the Minotaur moves into a 10 X 10 section) he has a javelin! Minotaur drills ranger for 8 points, he’s down to 2 HP (new player, 10 con) He retreats into a narrow cavern where he’s squeezing. Minotaur spends some time to get to him, then turns to go back and finish off the rest of the party.
Half Orc heroes up and comes out, shooting the minotaur. Minotaur throws Javelin, hitting.
One of the players points out, “Did you remember the squeezing penalties?” I hadn’t. Missed, by one. I describe it as “A javelin, as big as a spear, imbeds itself deep in the stone beside your head.” Half orc, stands his ground, reloads and shoots, knowing the minotaur can reach him with his axe.
Hit! 8 points! Dead minotaur! Much rejoicing at the table, even from the half orc player’s dad, (who played the dead paladin) Likely one of the more nail biting tables I’ve ran in a while.