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I played a character all the way from level 1 to 14 in PFS, and not once did I get the impression that Pathfinders were evil or the bad guys. I wasn't even playing a good aligned character.

Seriously, I don't understand why some people have this intense desire to paint pathfinders as 'murderhobos' if they so much as enter a murderous cultist's cave without his permission.


The game could really use a 20 level type of arcane trickster character. The closest things are some bard and alchemist archetypes, but they aren't *quite* the flavor that I'm looking for.


Quintain wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Climbing the cliff:

Fall!
12d6
Did you survive? Try again?

You forgot a few things:

1) Rolling a 1 isn't automatic failure.
2) You can get gear modifiers: See Spider harness
3) You get a saving throw to catch yourself in the case of a fall.

You guys are ignoring a lot of rules when you start talking your probabilities and quips about "auto failure".

So, you are saying that the only way a player should be able to climb this cliff without having to deal with obscure gear and rules is by getting their climb bonus so high that they won't even fail on a 1? You're basically just forcing the players to take 1 instead of take 10.


I never bothered making an early entry character because I knew there was no way that interpretation was going to last forever XD


Yep, mine came in as well! I thing the miniatures came out much nicer this time how that they have experience with the bones material.

I recieved the following:
2013 Core Set x1
Narthrax Dragon x1
Unleash the Kraken! x1
Khanjira, the World Breaker x1


Jiggy wrote:
andreww wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
*Based on my analysis of your (singular you here) posts, I don't think you will enjoy it as much as you have some of the other FAQs.
Hmmm, if it's what I'm now thinking, then I'd wager a guess you're wrong. (Well, unless I take your statement very literally, as it's unlikely I'll ever "enjoy" a FAQ as much as the very first one I ever prompted, years ago.)
My guess is they are about to reverse the SLA early entry FAQ.
That's the first thing that came to my mind as well.

If that's what they're fixing, then thank goodness! I hope they clarify how spell-like abilities interact with everything else while they are at it.


Samy wrote:
LazGrizzle wrote:
I would love to see "Blood Of The Wild" which would detail the anthropomorphic animal races such as Grippli, Catfolk, Serpentfolk, Ratfolk, Vanara, Kitsune, etc.

I also used to advocate combining animal races, until I saw what happens in Blood of the Elements when you try to do four races in one book -- none of them get enough of anything.

Now, I am of the opinion that more than one race per player companion is a dealbreaker.

Yea, seriously. Every time a race gets only two or even just four pages of content it feels like a lost opportunity.


JiCi wrote:

How about... "Champions of Dragons"?

- Emphasis on dragon worship, not dragon slaying
- Archetypes for dragon-themed classes
- Expanded info on Apsu, Dahak and Tiamat
- Heralds and related creatures for those deities
- Items, spells, feats, traits, name it...

Archetypes could include:
- Dragon Rider (cavalier)
- Getting a dragon companion/familiar
- Expanded draconic bloolines (sorcerer, bloodrager)
- Breath Weapon expert (alchemist)

I would love this. In WotR I tried running a Paladin of Apsu to link in with the dragon at the start of the campaign, but the complete lack of useful information on Apsu made running this really difficult.

Also +1 to the latest Blood of the Wild suggestion, as long as it gets split into 2 or 3 books so each race gets the background it deserves ;)


Mark Seifter wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Chess Pwn wrote:
Are we getting a FAQ today?
Something relatively weighty is coming, but due to some interesting factors, it will likely be swapped for something else that's lighter but higher up on the FAQ queue. Swapping takes time, so stayed tuned!

I wonder if the weighty stuff is the long awaited erratas for Mythic Adventures? :D


FAQ wrote:

Archetypes and Gaining Powers: If an archetype like wildblooded sorcerer grants new class features like bloodline powers, domain powers, or the like, if I don’t have that archetype, can I use feats like Eldritch Heritage or Believer’s Boon and choose the powers granted by the archetype.

No. These powers only exist for the archetypes that grant them. This is particularly important because in some cases, the archetype might trade out non-parallel features to gain those powers. For example, a fey sorcerer with the wildblooded archetype trades out both her bloodline arcana and her 1st-level power to gain a new 1st-level power, but a non-sorcerer using a feat to gain a 1st-level power never had the bloodline arcana to begin with.

Yea.... it is because of this stuff that I believe that the Wildblooded archtype should have just been a list of normal bloodlines. Sure, some information would have been repeated, but it would have been more compatable with the other rules.

Thanks for the FAQ though! I could have sworn that there was already a FAQ on this topic, but I guess this is a wider reaching one than the Wildblooded specific FAQ that I am thinking of.


Oooo, I hope that this book finally gives spellcasters a way to officially hide their spellcasting without obscure bard feats or mythic powers. :D


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If you don't like the summons, why don't you just have the player use one of the archetypes that replaces summon monster rather than just banning the entire class? Spirit Summoner for example.


I have to say though, I am very impressed by how you went out of your way to make sure that *every single type of true dragon* was covered. Writing entries for everything for chromatic, metalic, planar, imperial, outer dragons and probably more that I forgot three times over (for races, the class, and animal companions) must have been mind numbing XD


I thought most of the anger from that preview was just one person venting about not liking one ability. Personally, I liked *ALL* of the changes, even if sniping is still kinda item reliant.


Bashade wrote:
Devilkiller wrote:

If the gore from the helm isn't a natural weapon then how would one go about using it in combination with other weapons? Would it require taking the TWF penalties? If so that would make the helm seem like a very weak item compared to the ring which gives you a bite and this cloak which apparently gives you a sting.

I'm suddenly imagining a Barbarian who tries to accrue as many natural attacks as possible. With the cloak, ring, and helm plus lesser beast totem he'd have 5 of them. That's pretty impressive, but I wonder what else is out there without multiclassing.

Not sure if that is accurate at least with the items listed. The Barb would have to choose between gore or bite unless they were a race that had a second head as they would still be limited to one attack per limb.

Gore+bite is not limited by 'attacks per limb'. Wingless dragons specifically have a gore attack (in addition to the bite) to make up for their lack of wing attacks.


Well, I am glad that so many people are interested in CORE mode. Personally, not having all available character options at my fingertips drives me crazy, so I'm probably going to steer clear of it for the most part.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:
Hmmm, yea, another feat and two +2 bonuses is very powerful when you calculate in how they interact with a character's build. Maybe another method would be to give the other characters free racial feats? 2-3 bonus racial feats so strengthen the traits of their race compared to everything the dragon has. Flavorful without being immediately useful for someone's build (usually).

You could. That also comes with the problem of "not all racial feats are created equally," however. For instance humans have some pretty tamed feats aimed at flexibility and versatility. Halflings have Risky Striker, which is basically Power Attack but it reduces your AC instead of your attack bonus.

Also depending on the race you're playing your character might not have many racial feats available to her. The core races all have at least seven, but most of the featured races have only one.

ANOTHER option that you could try is letting your players pick additional alternate racial traits from their race's list for free to make up the difference.

Yea, giving out the alternative racial traits could be a good option. Though not all races actually have a good selection of those either. I'd probably have to use some sort of combination.

I've read over the dragon 'animal companion' section. I like the idea and general execution of it, though the OCD part of me is bothered by the fact that the dragon don't have dragon hit dice (they don't have full bab). I guess it is hard to work that in while keeping things balanced though XD


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:

D: D:

Luckily for me I think I have a good method of balancing out dragon player characters in my games. I use houserules for replacing about half of a player's magical items with a feat-like subsystem. I'll simply take away a good number of a dragon character's abilities (with some sort of explanation of course) and require him to buy them back at the cost of a number of his picks from the subsystem. I might also give them a wisdom penalty since they're young by dragon standards ;)

The alternative that you could do is to allow your players to grab more racial traits themselves. Giving them each an extra +2 to two different ability scores as well as a bonus feat would bring every core race up to about 25 - 26 rp.

Of course, +2 to two different ability scores and a bonus feat are MUCH better than what dragons receive as racial traits, but that's my subjective opinion.

Hmmm, yea, another feat and two +2 bonuses is very powerful when you calculate in how they interact with a character's build. Maybe another method would be to give the other characters free racial feats? 2-3 bonus racial feats so strengthen the traits of their race compared to everything the dragon has. Flavorful without being immediately useful for someone's build (usually).


D: D:

Luckily for me I think I have a good method of balancing out dragon player characters in my games. I use houserules for replacing about half of a player's magical items with a feat-like subsystem. I'll simply take away a good number of a dragon character's abilities (with some sort of explanation of course) and require him to buy them back at the cost of a number of his picks from the subsystem. I might also give them a wisdom penalty since they're young by dragon standards ;)


I recently picked up this PDF. I haven't had time for thorough read through, but I like what I've seen so far. I really like the idea that there is an actual mechanical reason for why a dragon wouldn't want to go out and gain class levels in normal circumstances. The choice between gaining lots of power slowly or some power quickly makes things a lot more believable when you have to explain why only a few dragons go out and adventure. It also helps explain why adventuring dragons have a very different (and weaker) set of stats.

I'll have to do a more in depth reading before I decide what parts I would let my players use, but it is looking good!

Also, Alex you keep on making these great pdfs which cover the exact subjects I would write if I got off my butt and started writing third party material! And you're probably writting them better than I could too! Stop it! ;)


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DominusMegadeus wrote:
That's terrible. I can still sneak attack them, but doing the exact same thing as last round is suddenly impossible because it already happened once?

When it comes to surprise attacks, the fact that it is the exact same thing as last round is exactly why it wouldn't work.


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Oh wow, the Feral Hunter has suddenly become pretty good. The inability to have a long duration summon to use those teamwork feats with was a huge design problem in the original version.

Yay, I need to run one of these now. Thanks for taking the time to make these archetypes more effective :D


Hey Mark!

Just wanted to ask about a question that has been bugging me for a while. Say that you have a Witch with the Misfortune hex and an Oracle with the Misfortune revelation in the same party.... you probably already see where this is going.

The witch hexes an enemy with misfortune. If it has to roll for something, and rolls two 20s, what happens if the oracle THEN uses his misfortune ability on him? Does he reroll just one of the dice? Both? Does he reroll one die, but has to roll it twice and take the lowest because the witch's misfortune is still active?

I may as well also ask, what happens if something is affected by a Misfortune hex and Ill Omen at the same time? Does it have to roll 3 times, or do the abilities not stack?

Believe it or not, these are situations that may come up in a game we are playing pretty soon. Our GM is going to hate us XD


In my opinion, mythis is fun but has a bit too heavy of an impact on the game. Monsters simply can't stand up to mythic characters. Also, there is a huge rocket tag problem because players tends to gravitate towards offense rather than defense.

Due to my experince with mythic in WotR, I would suggest that you abandon the standard tier system. Rather than the benefits that a character would gain with a tier just let them pick a (non overpowered) mythic power and give them a level's worth of bonus hit points. Maybe give them a few of the survival powers from teir 1 for free. Ban both mythic feats and spells, and ignore mythic path restrictions since they can't pick dual path.

This way you gain a lot of the fun of mythic without all the crazy (and unnecessary) fiddly bits like +10 worth of stat boosts, extra standard actions, and essentially unlimited spells per day.

Seriously, we had so many resouces that our GM made us play through all of book 5's major encounters in WotR without a single rest to regain spells/abilities.


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My favorate solution against swarms: summon another swarm and watch them fight it out. Did this on a low level druid once.


Mark Seifter wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:

I just got my copy of the PDF. Turns out that only Wizards can get the school familliars. Saddening, but it makes sense thematically.

HOWEVER. Sorcerers can get bloodline familliars. The abilities aren't as powerful, but you get them only for the cost of losing your first bloodline power and geting your bonus spells one level later.

That's really good if you don't care about the spells, since first level powers generally aren't that great anyway.

Yep, your kitsune fey sorceress's DCs are frightening enough already—whereas enchanter wizards have no real DC boosters to speak of. It's fully intended, and that's part of why it's such a nice big increase (and, as Owen pointed out, the nearly-assured AoO is the other part).

Ah well, the fact that I'll be able to train out of my Eldritch Heritage (Arcane Bloodline Familiar) feats keeps me happy enough ;)


I just got my copy of the PDF. Turns out that only Wizards can get the school familliars. Saddening, but it makes sense thematically.

HOWEVER. Sorcerers can get bloodline familliars. The abilities aren't as powerful, but you get them only for the cost of losing your first bloodline power and geting your bonus spells one level later.

That's really good if you don't care about the spells, since first level powers generally aren't that great anyway.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:
Skeld wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:
Just curious, what does the Enchantment familliar do?

** spoiler omitted **

-Skeld

Whoa. That lesser one is crazy. Now if only I could figure out a way to use it consistantly without getting my familliar killed XD I think an improved familliar with dimension door is the ticket....

As if my Kitsune Fey Sorcerer's enchantments weren't frightening enough :D

That's easy. You use a familiar that can become invisible, like a faerie dragon or a quasit.

That would work, though I have been running into a lot of stuff with See Invisibility lately.


Skeld wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:
Just curious, what does the Enchantment familliar do?

** spoiler omitted **

-Skeld

Whoa. That lesser one is crazy. Now if only I could figure out a way to use it consistantly without getting my familliar killed XD I think an improved familliar with dimension door is the ticket....

As if my Kitsune Fey Sorcerer's enchantments weren't frightening enough :D


Just curious, what does the Enchantment familliar do?


Mark Seifter wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:

Hey Mark! Random obscure kineticist question.

I know that kineticists (in the last writeup I saw) are supposed to use their hands to fire their blasts. However, it seems to be assumed that kineticists in Elemental Form can still use their blasts even though it is kind of questionable whether or not elementals can have 'hands'. Does that mean blasts could be used in other polymorphed forms?

I'm asking because I really want to run a kitsune pyrokineticist with fox form. You know it would be awsome ;) (and thanks to the size bonus stuff kineticists get in the new version, it won't even be overpowered now, lol)

I have a planned clarification for non-hand appendages, but at the moment, a fox still wouldn't pass muster.

*sadface* Glad that there will be clarifications though :D


Hey Mark! Random obscure kineticist question.

I know that kineticists (in the last writeup I saw) are supposed to use their hands to fire their blasts. However, it seems to be assumed that kineticists in Elemental Form can still use their blasts even though it is kind of questionable whether or not elementals can have 'hands'. Does that mean blasts could be used in other polymorphed forms?

I'm asking because I really want to run a kitsune pyrokineticist with fox form. You know it would be awsome ;) (and thanks to the size bonus stuff kineticists get in the new version, it won't even be overpowered now, lol)


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First, you should make it clear before the campaign starts that the fights won't all be tailor made for the party. They may run into something that WILL kill them if they fight it head on.

Second, if the characters are about to fight said unbeatable encounter, give them all DC 5 wisdom checks to realize that this is a really bad idea. By having a roll be involved, that makes it feel like their characters realized this rather than an out of game voice saying "no you shouldn't fight this".


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A lot of people here seem to be forgetting that the demons at least need to have a 'reliable description' of where they are going. If adventruers want to keep a surprise teleport from happening all they have to do is move their campsite. Add something to block scrying if necessary.

Depending on how reliable of a description the GM requires, a king could fool a teleport spell just by moving his bedroom to another part of his castle or changing the furniture every once in a while. Of course, this is completely ignoring the fact that a king should be able to pay to have his castle constantly dimension locked.


I wonder if the Kineticist class would fit the theme of this book more if its power came from elemental spirits rather than him just opening a gate to the elemental planes?

Heck, it would be pretty awesome for a pyrokineticist to be getting his flames from the spirit of a gold dragon or something.


I do want to give one suggestion for a defense for pyrokineticists: one of the coolest fire based defensive abilities that I have seen was in the anime Witch Hunter Robin. The way Robin used bits of fire to precisely burn down bullets before they could hit her was awsome.

Maybe an ability that lets you use fire (or some other element) to 'parry' an attack would be a nice thematic ability for kineticists?


I know that I'm late to the discussion, but I just wanted to add this about the pyrokineticist's Searing Flesh ability. My main problem with it is as you accept burn to make the ability more effective, you are actually decreasing the number of times it will 'activate' before you fall unconsious.

Think about it. If at high levels you accept 4 points of burn to increase searing flesh's effectiveness, you potentially have 80 fewer hit points to increase the damage per hit by 4d6. The thing is, when you combine that with the burn you'll be inflicting upon yourself to power your other abilities you'll be lucky to survive a few hits before you go down!

That's the real problem with Searing Flesh. The more burn you inflict upon yourself, the fewer times Searing Flesh will actually be able to activate since its effectiveness depends on you being hit. On some days if you get really unlucky you might get hit *once*, deal 7d6 points to the attacker (if he used a natural weapon, if he isn't immune to fire, if he fails the saving throw) and then go unconsious.


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Undone wrote:
feylund wrote:
how come people think all nongood acts are evil.... neutral is an alignment..
The souls of your enemies may taste like chocolate but consuming them is still definitely evil.

I said it before and I'll say it again: there is nothing in the ability that says anything about any souls being harmed in any way. Aside from it being separated from the body of course.


Since the kineticist is so centered around burn, it totally needs a Burninator archetype ;)

Spoiler:
TROGDOR!!!


claudekennilol wrote:
Hazrond wrote:
as for Improved Natural Attack, i gain two natural claw attacks from my Eldritch Scion levels, the only prerequisites to the feat are BAB 4+ and a natural weapon
And being a monster (it's in the bestiary) which you aren't. So you either need something that specifically let's you take it (like being a ranger with natural weapon focus) or you have to have your GM give you permission.

There is nothing in the rulebooks that actually says that players can't take bestiary feats. The bestiary just says they are more common for monsters, and if you want to get really techical Kitsune have a bestiary entry anyway.

Sorry, I just hate it when the "Players can't use bestiary feats" misconception gets spread around.


Umm, I have to point out that the Consume Life ability doesn't actually say anything about consuming souls. All it says is that you consume the target's life energy, and that it kills him. The soul goes on its way just as if you had killed the guy normally.

Yes, it is a technicality, but it makes the ability signifigantly less evil. And it isn't like the party wasn't going to CDG the guy in the end anyway.


I would gladly buy both Blood of Dragons and Serpents. Along with a Kitsune one if it ever somehow came into existance ;)


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I kind of hope that all of the Wild Talents get scaling spell levels and DCs based on the character level rather than static numbers like they do right now. That way the Kineticist won't feel like he'll need to replace all of his low level infusions because of the low save DCs (like burning).


Mark Seifter wrote:
Milo v3 wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
Once you accept the burn, you get those benefits for the rest of the day (or longer I guess if you don't recover burn the next day by not resting).
So you are stuck with the penalty to stealth until you sleep, damn.
That gets into a can of worms involving fire elementals as light sources, etc. The class is not intended to receive penalties to Stealth, though just like with many other transformative class features of other classes, it may make disguising harder if you don't use a hat of disguise or the like.

This actually brings up another worry that I have had about this class. Once you take some burn and have Feel the Burn running, you look really really out of place in a city. People aren't going to let you walk into a building if it looks like you are on fire!

I like the idea of the visual effect, but in games where GMs take notice if it players will have to wear a Hat of Disguise just to get around. It it is about as bad as dealing with an eidolon in a town. Some players will feel like they're forced to not use burn when in a town if the Hat of Disguise isn't available, and this will effectively give them a lower accuracy than a rogue.

Maybe the visual effects of feel the burn should only come up when the kineticist is using his abilities (or when he wants them to) rather than being an all day long thing?


Mark Seifter wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:
Mark has already said that the pyrokineticist is probably going to get abilities that let him burn through enemy protective spells, though creatures with natural resistance will still probably be an issue.
The fun part of the one I'm looking at right now is that it sizzles it away before calculating the damage. Oops, thought you were safe from the flames? :D

:D :D :D


Mark has already said that the pyrokineticist is probably going to get abilities that let him burn through enemy protective spells, though creatures with natural resistance will still probably be an issue.


Mark Seifter wrote:
Matrix Dragon wrote:

I think part of the problem that kineticists will face will have to do with GMs balancing the party in comparison to the heaviest damage dealers. If the GM starts throwing higher CR fights in order to challenge a party with a Paladin or Ranger (both of whom can easily have +10 accuracy higher than a kineticist at level 20) then the kineticist would have a really hard hard time hitting anything without resorting to touch attacks.

I saw this sort of thing happen in Wrath of the Righteous actually. When the GM buffed the enemies to challenge our heavy hitters, he had to specifically give them a low flat footed AC so that the ninja could actually hit them thanks to invisibility. A rogue would have been completely unable to do anything, and a kineticist would have had to switch to touch attacks.

From what I've seen, if a GM at those high levels is actively significantly challenging the fighter's accuracy on the first attack, the martials are also in serious trouble.

This is true, but I have seen it happen fairly often in the games that I've played and some that I've GMed in. Not with every enemy, but I have definitely seen final bosses that the paladin had a roughly 50% chance of hitting on a first swing smite because the GM wanted the fight to last 10 rounds instead of 2.


I think part of the problem that kineticists will face will have to do with GMs balancing the party in comparison to the heaviest damage dealers. If the GM starts throwing higher CR fights in order to challenge a party with a Paladin or Ranger (both of whom can easily have +10 accuracy higher than a kineticist at level 20) then the kineticist would have a really hard hard time hitting anything without resorting to touch attacks.

I saw this sort of thing happen in Wrath of the Righteous actually. When the GM buffed the enemies to challenge our heavy hitters, he had to specifically give the enemies a low flat footed AC so that the ninja could actually hit them thanks to invisibility. A rogue would have been completely unable to do anything, and a kineticist would have had to switch to touch attacks (disregarding that they would have been immune or heavily resistant to all of his elements).


One thing that I'm a bit worried about is that the Kineticist will get its utility abilities, but that there will be gaps in their capabilities that full spellcasters will be able to cover. Will an Aerokineticist be able to do everything that a spellcaster could with Air spells? Will a Hydrokineticist be able to blast and freeze things in even close to all the varied ways that a spellcaster could with water and cold spells?

I'm not suggesting that a kineticist become a real spellcaster. I'm just thinking that it will be difficult to make a non-spellcaster have the utility of a spellcaster without some crazy abilities. And let's be honest: if the kineticist isn't going to have the skills of a rogue or bard, he's going to need a lot of 'magic' style utility.

Perhaps a way to work around the limitations of the kineticist being a non-spellcaster class would be to allow it to pay Burn to cast a spell which has a discriptor that matches his element? Let it be any spell from the wizard and druid lists with the correct descriptor and a low enough level. You could make it into an expensive last resort kind of thing by having the burn cost equal the spells level, and reducing this burn cost very slowly at higher levels.


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Free utility powers is definately high on the list of things that I would like to have for the Kineticist. Playing a Pyrokineticist and not being able to at least generate my own light sources without a torch (or setting an enemy on fire) kind of drove me crazy in my playtest, but it is also something that I couldn't afford to spend a wild talent on if it was an option.

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