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Gaming Hoopla is coming up at the end of this month, September 26-28, in Janesville, WI. In addition to the first five scenarios from Season Six, we'll also be offering the first three levels of the Emerald Spire superdungeon, the most recent Free RPG Day module, Risen From the Sands, and the multi-table special from Season Two, Year of the Shadow Lodge. It's very important that we have enough players to fill the four tables for the Special, so if you're in the area and haven't had a chance to play in that one yet, this is your chance!

As always, there will be raffles for Pathfinder products, convention boons, and more, including the great raffles and tons of other games that the Hoopla offers.

So head on over to their site to register, and come on out, roll some dice, and have some fun!

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Among many of the heated conversations to come out of the recent Free RPG Day module "Risen From the Sands" was a debate on how far a creature using the trample ability can move as part of its full round action - only its speed, or double its speed as if it were charging as part of a trample. The wording of the ability in 3.5 was very clear on the subject, but there is just enough vagueness in the Pathfinder wording of the ability, and the way that rules elements interact that there isn't a clear consensus. I know the way that I feel the rules should work, but I can see the validity in both sides of the argument. That, to me, is a clear indication that some official guidance is warranted.

Not looking for a user debate on the subject, as both sides have been very succinctly debated (to death, arguably) in other threads. I'm hoping for an official word from the design team on the intent of the ability. If you'd like to help that happen, please hit the FAQ button.

Dark Archive ***

Surprised no one's posted yet. :)

EDIT: Ninja'd. :P

Pathfinder Society events will be hosted at this year's Odyssey Con in Madison, WI.

You can find out more information on the convention, as well as the Pathfinder Society schedule, here .

We are still seeking volunteers to assist in GMing events. Two or more slots will get you free admission to the convention, and three or more slots will also get prize support. If you are interested in helping run scenarios at this event, please email me directly at

On Saturday, July 20th, Pathfinder Society comes back to the town where it all started: Lake Geneva, WI.

Join us at Lake Geneva Games, 918 S. Wells St. starting at noon for some great Society sessions. We'll be running Before the Dawn, Part 1: The Bloodcove Disguise, Rivalry's End, and The Waking Rune.

This is the first of what is to be a regular monthly Game Day at Lake Geneva Games. You can sign up for events on our Warhorn site:

Perhaps my search fu is failing me, but I wasn't able to find any threads with anyone organizing pre-con games at PaizoCon in July.

I'll be coming into Seattle Thursday afternoon, and would love to have a game or two to look forward to upon arriving.

Is anyone running any events that afternoon/evening, and if not, who wants to help me get things organized?

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There are many results that come up when I search the messageboards for posts about Polymorph Any Object. However, my search fu is apparently failing me, and none of the posts that I found addressed the issue that just came up in tonight's game. I looked through a lot of posts, but I simply don't have the patience to sift through 53 pages of results.

The posts that I have ready through all involve turning creatures into other creatures or items into creatures. There is, however, a decided lack of discussion (that I was able to find) about turning a creature into an object.

So, in tonight's session, the PC's were facing off against a pair of Imentesh Proteans. When the wild shaped druid showed off his combat prowess, the proteans decided to put an end to it and used PAO to turn him into a sofa. The druid tanked the save. This is where the problems started, and they came in waves. I'll just address them as they came up in the game.

First, the druid had a couple of spell effects active at the time (air walk and magic fang). After some confusion, it was decided that the spell effects would end, as the sofa would not have been a valid target. This was actually somewhat important, as the druid/tiger had been air walking directly above the party's paladin who was, at that moment, unconscious and bleeding out right underneath him. So a couch ended up falling on him.

The next issue that came up was if the sofa/druid was able to just wild shape into another form on his next turn. After a LOT of looking through rules, a very important fact came to light - the rules for the polymorph subschool are pretty clearly written with only the possibility of transforming from one creature to another, and not from a creature to an object. Also, the PAO description gives rules for transforming items into creatures, but is mute on the reverse process. The main issue here was whether or not the druid kept his ability scores as a sofa. Also, at this point, it was discovered that a creature retains its type when polymorphed. This lead to thought the spell effects (air walk, magic fang) should still be in active. However, in the end, it was decided that since he had been turned into an object, which does not have a type, that the rule about creature type shouldn't actually apply. After all, the idea of a ranger with favored enemy (human) getting his bonuses on a human polymorphed into a couch was just too silly. It was further decided that as his form was completely and totally transformed into a sofa, he did not have the proper physiological systems to support any sort of intelligent - he was just a sofa, not a sentient sofa-druid.

Once the encounter was over, and the point was moot as far as the session was concerned, this particular line from the rules for the polymorph sub-school was noticed:

"You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. "

The thought was that the druid should have been able to choose to not be affected by the PAO since he had been wild shaped at the time. However, after some post-game study, wild shape is actually a supernatural ability that mimics specific spells, not an actual polymorph spell itself.

EDIT: Probably already ninja'd, but disregard the previous. Somehow missed that wild shape is specifically called out as an example. So, even more confused, I guess.

However, that does bring up the rather strange case of a creature under the effect of Alter Self being able to shrug off a PAO - or, in other words, a 2nd level spell giving immunity to an 8th level spell.

So, while the easiest answer to this issue is simply house rule, the session in questions was a PFS game, and while everyone at the table was completely accepting of the rulings made, I'd like to get some insight from others (perhaps even a developer, should they happen across this) as to how the RAW function in cases like this. Perhaps there needs to be a FAW entry adding information somewhere down the line for creatures being polymorphed into objects?

Come on out and game for a good cause! Pathfinder is back again this spring at Gaming Hoopla in Janesville, WI. Come play the latest scenarios, some replays from Seasons 2 and 3, as well as We Be Goblins!, Dawn of the Scarlet Sun, the new Broken Chains module, and more!

Proceeds from Gaming Hoopla go to the American Cancer Association, so not only do you get to have a great time, you get to support a great cause at the same time!

Visit to register and for more information!

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