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Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
In terms of the The Steel Remains, I have never really read anything else where homosexuality in SF/fantasy is full-on. It might be alluded to, it might be mentioned...In a genre where heterosexual sex scenes are certainly not unknown, gay sex is often glossed over...In The Steel Remains, there are several scenes of full-on gay sex, with the hero banging various males in explicit detail (Morgan's hetero sex scenes in his other books are very full-on too - personally, I find it a bit embarrassing but actually the gay ones in The Steel Remains make a lot more sense in setting character in the context of this book than some of the others, which just seemed sorta slung in there for jollies). It's not judgmental, and the character feels both male, masculine (he's a master swordsman, not a pansy) and authentically gay in a (as Louis puts it) "I like dick - deal with it" sort of way. It's a pretty impressive piece of characterization, especially since Morgan is (as far as I know) a heterosexual man, and it is something that is pretty unprecedented in anything else I have ever read in the genre. That's not to say that homosexuality hasn't arisen as a subject, but it really has not been as central to the plot as it is in this book (oh, and one of the other protagonists is a drug-abusing lesbian, though she gets no action as such in this volume) nor is it dealt with in such a muscular fashion. That's not to say that such details haven't been central in other books (I'm sure I've read merely a tiny fraction of the available stuff out there) but I'm not really aware of it if it is.
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Very well said. I agree entirely. Aubrey, you catch a solid chunk of my meaning. *claps* Well said.
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Vorbis wrote:
So Louis you believe Gay is only defined by the character existing in a prejudical enviroment?
No. Although I could see how a reasonable person might interpret what I wrote that way.
What I think is that in the 21st century and certainly in, not least, America, gay does exist in a prejudicial environment. My use of "genuine" in this context was meant to be a modifier to the fictional treatment and NOT to imply that a gay person who does not experience the world as prejudicial is therefore not an authentically gay person.
Hooray for that gay person and what's the location? Because a lot of people I know would like to live there, too. That is said without sarcasm.
Rather, what is behind my criteria is simply that the experience of most gay people is the experience of living in a prejudiced, often hostile world. Fiction that ignores this reality may serve to entertain or to hold up an ideal (or some other purpose I'm not thinking of just now), but such fiction is not exploring the genuine experience of most homosexuals.
In short: a contrast between fiction that explores the problem and fiction that whitewashes it.
Or do you think gay does not exist in a hostile, prejudicial environment and, consequently, think there is nothing to whitewash?
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Vorbis wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Richard Morgan's The Steel Itself. He's mainly known as an SF writer but the above is his most recent novel, the first part of a fantasy series. His style is fairly "in your face". The main protagonist in this series is gay and (in typical Morgan style) there are some pretty explicit sex scenes of various dispositions. It's an interesting take as Morgan seems to be quite interested in social themes, and the issues of anti-gay prejudice are quote prominent in the book. (It also works quite well on the action side too.)
This. Perhaps the first genuinely gay, genuinely hero.
That can't possbibly be true, that's a very new book, just look at all the others listed in this forum alone.
What makes you say this?
Well, I stated it sloppily, sure. I might need to say:
"Possibly the first genuinely gay male hero as the central protagonist in a work of modern speculative fiction."
First, I could be wrong. I often am - just ask my wife. :) Seriously, I really did mean possibly, as in, I'm not sure but I'm noodling.
But, by genuinely gay, I mean an honest sensibility about being gay in a straight-dominated world, with all the suffering and anger and compromises and hard choices that entails. I also mean a treatment of sexuality demonstrating apprehension of homesexuality's roots as equivalent to the roots of heterosexual sexuality. In other words, not some white-washed "our love was so holy it transcended our sexuality" take on why it's ok for there to be male-on-male humping. Rather, I want to bone yon male like a man wants to bone a woman or vis versa, etc. For an example of what I mean, consider the scene in the beginning of Morgan's book where the main character is in bed with his former lover. I'd kill to write a scene with that much honesty about an experience and orientation not my own.
By central central protagonist I mean the person whom the story is primarily about -- more than any other character in the text.
By hero I mean something very specific too. The way I would categorize Buffy, for example, as a hero and not just another heroine. One who saves. Autonomous one who protects and defends. And this is key: held up as a role model. Books could and have been written on "what is a hero" so there's lots to discuss on that one and plenty of room for reasonable people to disagree.
I could be totally wrong, and I haven't read everything on the list, but I don't think male, genuinely gay true heroes are all that common in fantasy literature. It's one thing to be "tolerant" and deliver a subtext of "gay people are just like us, we should accept them..." (insert lalala's and tinkerbell music) It's another entirely to say, "This is a dude who is into d**k. You should emulate and look up to him because he's a hero."
Here's my attempt at the list from above. People more familiar with the books will undoubtedly be able to fill my commentary out better and/or correct me...
Perdido Street - not the central protagonist
Iron COuncil - not a hero, IIRC
Last Herald Mage - can't recall if the main character is gay or just secondary characters?
Dune - not the hero
The Cage - read that a long time ago. Is the gayness explored? Does it come from being born that way? Or is it just lesbian sex scenes?
Stealing Magic - short stories. And I can't recall which of the two is gay.
Huff Blood Books - not the central protagonist
Tony Forster - Couldn't find.
Weis/Hickman Rose of the Prophet trilogy - who's gay in this, again?
Silicon Mage - neither central protagonist nor hero, if I recall
Robert Jordan - neither central protagonist nor hero
RA Salvatore - neither central protagonist nor hero
The Heritage of Hastur - not the central protagonist, IIRC
THe Skull of Truth - not the central protagonist
Adept/Apprentice - not the central protagonist
Shadows of Amn/Throne of Bhaal - not the central protagonist, IIRC
Melanie Rawn - not the central protagonist
Distress - no hero
Terenesia - haven't read it. Is this dud of a main character a hero?
Swordspoint - great book. Was the main character gay or bi?
Scandal Takes a holiday - not the central protagonist
Sandman - not the central protagonist in the meta arc
Song of Ice and Fire - not sure there's a hero yet in the whole thing!
Stone Dance of the Chameleon - haven't read it.
Prince of Nothing - not the central protagonist and arguably not a hero
Monarchies of God - bisexual
Tale of Krispos - not the central protagonist
King Casimir - an insult to homesexuals
The Warrior's Tale - this may be a winner, I can't recall it well enough
Shadowslayers - haven't read, but the author could tell us more
Chalker - not a gay hero
Tapestry of Souls - haven't read
Nightrunner - not the hero, IIRC
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James Sutter wrote:
I was about to suggest the Lambda Awards as well, but I'll throw in the Tiptree Award for good measure. Strangely, I can think of a ton of science fiction novels off the top of my head, but other than Iron Council, I'm drawing a blank on fantasy.
Also, I was under the impression that Ursula K. LeGuin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" was pretty much required reading for any class dealing with gender or sexuality.
Of course, if you really want to see an SF author play with issues of sexuality (and have a strong stomach) James Tiptree, Jr. is a genius...
** spoiler omitted **
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Zuxius wrote:
Saw this film a few nights ago. In my quest to better understand science fiction films and the prevailing pulse that keeps hollywood creating them, I never miss an opportunity to see them.
Pandorum received a 29% from Rotten Tomatoes. In a sense, saying you should avoid seeing this film. When a film that I am hellbent on seeing comes out with a bad rating, I purposely avoid reading the individual critic's reviews until I have made up my own mind as to what went right or wrong.
Now that I have seen this film and compared the critics ideas to my own, I can fully say that this film is one of the better sci-fi flicks I have seen in quite awhile. Almost at every turn, the critics seemed to knock this film for what I considered to be its strengths. I could not believe how deliberately wrong so many were in their appraisal. It was almost as if, it was a deliberate smear campaign to make a beauty appear ugly.
Pandorum features a truly epic ship. The thing is a massive hulk full of dark dangerous places. The ship sets are jaw dropping amazing. I don't believe I have seen anything like this on such a scale since the film Alien. If you know Alien, Resident Evil,(or heard of Eden Log) than this film would be a hybrid of these three. I do value Rotten Tomatoes opinions when I am choosing a film, but I can firmly say that my trust in their critics has been shaken.
The acting in Pandorum was excellent, the story was driven and the intrigue was very high.
I cannot give an excellent review to this film because the ending was a little rushed. I won't give that away, but I will say that I have been thinking about this film for quite a few days. If a film succeeds in doing that, I think it is worthy of a classic.
I might also add that I would never knock a sci fi film for a bad or unpopular ending. Blade Runner was initially released with a very sucky ending, but that didn't stop it from becoming one of the greatest films in science fiction history.
Gonna check it. All I have to say is BLADERUNNER! In Zuxius room! With beer! At Paizocon! Awesome.
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Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
I hope they make a statue of him smiling. He had a magical smile, full of life and humour. He smiled like Hotei. If a sculptor could catch that smile, it would be a great statue to have in any park.
If funding is a problem, they could offset the cost by making a limited issue bust available for geek dens everywhere.
He should be holding a globe of Greyhawk (Oerth), and smiling.
I'd buy one of those!
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Heathansson wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Nice!
Yone. Master of P*ssy.
Awesome.
Lou Garou.
Coolest nickname I ever got. Right there. Above these sentences. Thanks Heathansson!
Second favorite nickname: Animal (from growling and barking at people while playing sports - don't ask).
Dumbest nicknames: Agresta the Molester, Agression
Common nicknames: Big Lou, Luigi
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andrew berthiaume wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
andrew berthiaume wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Tr is indeed Thursday. Are you thinking you'd like to join the game?
Very much so. Have you been able to get a start date and time frame (time everyone should be there to when we need to head out lol)? Oh, and if the times good would ya like me to see if a friend or two can join up?
How about next Thursday 3pm? If that's too early, let me know. Store closes 9pm but will stay open to 10pm for us most nights. I like 6 hour sessions or so. And absolutely, friends of yours would be welcome. Let me know how many, as I don't want the table to be over 6.
I think we're at 4 (including you - not including any friends) now.
I'm getting excited!
I'll see if I'll be free but barring any unknowns I should be good. I might be able to get atleast one of my friends, our local card shop was closed so I wasn't able to chat with anyone yet lol. I'll keep ya posted on that. In any case, I'll be wearing a dragon hat for easy ID.
Nice! Check here before you leave, just in case of any last minute updates. Barring that, see you Thursday!
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andrew berthiaume wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
Tr is indeed Thursday. Are you thinking you'd like to join the game?
Very much so. Have you been able to get a start date and time frame (time everyone should be there to when we need to head out lol)? Oh, and if the times good would ya like me to see if a friend or two can join up?
How about next Thursday 3pm? If that's too early, let me know. Store closes 9pm but will stay open to 10pm for us most nights. I like 6 hour sessions or so. And absolutely, friends of yours would be welcome. Let me know how many, as I don't want the table to be over 6.
I think we're at 4 (including you - not including any friends) now.
I'm getting excited!
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andrew berthiaume wrote:
Louis Agresta wrote:
andrew berthiaume wrote:
I'm prob the closest without living there lol. I live in Kingston, about a 15-30 min drive, depending lol. The only issue is that I can't drive. But I do know where your trying to have it. I love Dragon's Den. I'd be more then willing to try and help ya out.
Edit: And the thought of meeting fellow paizonians is a nice bonus lol.
Well, I'll certainly let you know when the game is going to be, just in case. It's starting to look like a Mon. or Tr. In my happiest world it starts Tr at around 3 or 4pm. In my next happiest Tr. around 6pm and the the game moves to a second location and continues after the store closes.
Still waiting to hear from players, but as of now it looks like 3 are lined up, including Greengrunt, who plans to drive 3 hours from Binghamton to play! That dude is one hardcore Paizonian!
Would Tr stand for Thursday? If so then I might have a slight prob as thats when I normally have my own game run lol. I could prob move it to Wensday. Either day should work out for me.
Tr is indeed Thursday. Are you thinking you'd like to join the game?
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Clinton Boomer wrote:
Blackdirge wrote:
I'm actually using the name of this book and its companion PC Pearls as the names of two regular features in Level Up.
Bah! That silly GM Gems was nothing compared to the inexhaustible wisdom contained in PC Pearls! Why, without the advice of Lord Bedlam Havok to make it shine like that magnificent Collection of Character Inspiration does, Gems is hardly much of a book at all!
It's more like ... not ... a book. For crappy jerks!
I find myself agreeing, Mr. Boomer. Lord Bedlam Havok has something to teach us all. A truly worthy paragon of adventuring expertise. A noble man. A great leader! All our children should honor Lord Bedlam Havok and use him for a role model. Here here!
And yet...and yet...
PC Pearls languishes, a mere 5-star popular copper pick on RPGNow. *sigh* Worse - Lord Havok's pearls languish, in need of loving attention from his adoring populace...er...that didn't come out right.
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The Jade wrote:
Update:
GM Gems sold so well in 2008 it made number 70 on RPG COUNTDOWN'S BEST OF 2008 SPECIAL.
And that's just using RPG Now's numbers, I think if we'd had the Paizo numbers Gems would have risen a few slots higher.
Project lead, Steve Greer, gives a brief interview.
If you're an RPG author, editor, developer or publisher and your product is on that list, get ta link pimpin'!
Link pimped at RPGAggression!
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Garjen Soulhammer wrote:
I am going to be running an adventure for some children (mine and friends') between the ages of 8 and 13. I need some help, though, from the community at large. What I would prefer is a 3.5e first level adventure that centers, in part, around a farmhouse or farm.
Y'see, I've got several of the new WotC scarecrow minis I just CAN'T wait to use.
The problem is that I need a map, at least, if not a full blown adventure. (I could probably work up an adventure on my own, if I need to, but I really really need the map.) Any suggestions you may have for pre-made maps or map-tiles would be appreciated.
Rise of the Runelords, the Skinsaw Murders takes place, largely, in a cornfield maze filled with killer scarecrows centered around a farmhouse. I wouldn't recommend the Richard Pett creepiness as is for an 8-13 year old, but the map should be exactly what you're looking for. You could probably tone down the horror and create a kid-friendly mission then use all the same stat blocks.
Maybe the wizard/farmer fell and hurt himself and many of his scarecrows have been acting up in town and causing problems crazy, slapstick mayhem. No one knows what to do with them and the scarecrows can't speak, but really the scarecrows are trying to get help.
Make a scarecrow gone bad villain and his cohorts holding the cornfield hostage. Throw in an injured bear beset by evil poachers. Let the bear befriend the kids on the way to the farm then help them rid the corn maze of the evil scrarecrow, free the wizard, and they all get invited to live with him in the farmhouse so he's never alone again.
Something like that -- or whatever best suits your kids.
Good luck!
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deathboy wrote:
Lou,
If it was a Saturday, the misses and I would travel all the way from Central CT to game with you. Weekdays are just rough for us.
Who do we have to contact to petition for Saturday game?
Awww, thanks Deathboy. My wife would be the one to petition -- but only after she proposes on her dissertation! She's very supportive of my gaming, and I might be able to launch a Saturday game after that. We'll have to see.
Hey, I always wondered if you took your board name from the Nightside books?
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