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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:When the code conflicts, there is no judgment available to choose a path. In one of the most basic examples the Paladin is if the Paladin has to choose between protecting innocent lives or lying. He's damned either way. It has nothing to do with the code's wisdom.
Just to respond to something from last night (I was at work and couldn't respond then).
The paladin does not value the code over other people. The paladin trusts in the code's wisdom over his own judgement. The paladin doesn't ponder "is this lie for the greater good." The paladin knows lying is evil because of the code. This is the Lawful part of the paladin's Lawful Good alignment. The paladin may think, "surely this lie is justifiable" but he knows the code forbids it. You don't lie to save the innocent because then you have corrupted yourself.
As an aside; these fall/fall scenarios are ridiculous. I have never seen one that didn't have multiple ways out without falling. Most are given solutions within a post or two that are then ignored by the "anti" paladin crowd.
See, and this is where I disagree. Instead of lying he can tell the truth then protect the innocent. He might fail, but it is not Evil to do Good and fail. It is Evil to do Evil, even if you succeed.