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Dave Gross wrote:
Lamashtu, Baphomet, Deskarii? Just waiting for my players to Piss me off enough to bring one of them to bear.
Erik Mona wrote:
As soon as these are up I'll be grabbing them (like Pokemon, I gotta catch them all). Anything we'll have to purchaser to get one (like the Goblins Comic and Rita's Bridesmaid) and any restrictions on number purchased (I'm specifically thinking of the goblin raider and Bloodbriar Goblin on this.)
Ah but the problem is, that you can't get the Iconics (with the exception of Harsk) for that price, they are all unavailable on Paizo and they go for a hell of a lot more through another retailer, assuming you can find one that has them in stock.
Big Jay wrote:
Already there ;) Got massive metal, resin, plastic and ppm collection. I conplain for all of those. What im scared is if people do like me and cherry pick it will kill the line like it did DDM.
It wasn't just people cherry-picking pieces that killed the DDM line, it was also the rapid downward spiral in quality, and increase in price point that really hammered home the last few nails in the coffin.
Just had an odd thought, Drogon - didn't White Wolf have minis for their Werewolf: The Apocalypse once upon a time? A Crinos (Warform) Werewolf might work for a Kitsune fighter/barbarian, perhaps?
The Crinos form Werewolf Minis are way to big to serves as a Kitsune (even a fighter or barbarian) unless they are also under the influence of an Enlarge spell. In scale they are roughly 12' at the eyes, putting them in line with your typical Ogre.
Hmmm... a hillbilly giant, really? I don't own that particular AP, so I haven't even heard of this guy, but I have to say I don't like the idea of a giant or ogre that seems to come from Louisiana or Georgia and wears overalls patched with modern t-shirts.
Funny that the very thing about the figure that appeals to me is precisely what you dislike about it. To each his own, but it really in a good likeness of Munguk (Rivers Run Red, pg. 30), if only it had his medallions and buttons (particularly, the smiley face, it just seems so appropriate to Munguk's personality).
Not a bad one in the bunch.
Conna the Wise - I like her. Slighter build than the other Stone giants to date, and looks to be a good match for the portrait. I think she looks female, albeit a very lean female. She'll be a nice addition to my mini's alongside my other RotRL minis.
Fire Giant King (or fire giant Noble given his rarity per Mr. Mona) - I like him too, He's a nice replacement for my King Snurre from the DDM line as a leader for my tribe of fire giants.
The Hill Giant Chief - This is the crown jewel of the reveals though. Finally, a hill giant that doesn't look like a stereotypical 'cave man' type giant, and further differentiating Hill Giants from Ogres. This one has the added benefit of being a "twofer," in that it will also double nicely as an Appalachian giant in the Deadlands game I run off and on.
These three more than make up for no Dwarves in this set. Dwarf-squooshers are just as useful.
Could you try to include a badger in a set? All the other animal companions for the Iconics are included except for poor Biter (who isn't even mentioned in Hasrk's bio and therefore gets no love). I would love to be able to add him to my collection alongside Daji, Droogami, and Donahan.
Bet they'd make him if his name started with "D" :)
Erik Mona wrote:
Yes!! A fourth Gnome! and Dwarves in the next Set. Thank you Mr. Mona, you just made my day.
Elves / Half-elves are fairly interchangeable for one another and they cross the gamut of class types (save for specialized classes like monk, Samurai, and Ninja) and with a fairly even gender split(perhaps a slight favoring of females to males).Dwarves - have a generic, an Iconic, and a villain. (All male and all of a martial nature, not one that could pass for a rogue, priest or wizard)
Halflings - An Iconic and two pirates. (2 males, 1 female but all skill monkey's - 2 that are or could be bards)
Gnome - Generic fighter, Iconic, and one yet to be released. (2 male, 1 female
Half-Orc - Tsadok, Irabeth, and Imrijka, and the Half-Orc barbarian from H & M. (2 male and 2 [badly needed] females, but once again all martial character types).
I really like the Pathfinder battles line, but it is continuing to promote the massive race / class disparity that is found in PPM. It is remarkably easy to find an acceptable elf or half-elf miniature for either gender in virtually any class, a male dwarf of most classes, a halfling skill-based character of either gender, and only a smattering of Gnomes and Half-Orcs, predominantly male and primarily of martial types.
What about the the Gargantuan Rune Giant? The Cyclops (Skull and Shackles), Mokmurian (Stone Giant from Rise of the Runelords), the Gug (Shattered Star, and tallest giant in size large to date)? And no mention of the 5 Ogres (Jaagrath Kreeg is bigger than the stone giants (not taller, but certainly bulkier).
Yes it is, unfortunately, just wondering why his eyes are white and not red. Blackout rage, and berserking are usually accompanied by the BURSTING of the surface capillaries on the eyes, coloring the sclera. Usually a portion of the blood also seeps into the vitreous humour (eyeball jelly) tinging everything with a reddish tint, hence "so angry I'm seeing red."
2 Elemental Packs !! Fire and Water, Earth and Air.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought it, still pretty cool. Going to reserve judgement on which new Iconics is my favorite until I've read up on all of them, but he's more of a contender for the title than Jirelle.
"Know what this means don'tcha? Beaucoup overtime."
Responses done in-line.
Hopefully no more than half a set at a shot, otherwise it is of limited utility to many GMs
Hopefully no more than 1/4 of any given set, and then not every one, otherwise you end up losing regulars who have too many of these 'Classic Monsters' (Contrary to popular opinion, it is possible to have too many kobolds, orcs, trolls, Dragons, and even Goblins (though this is one I have yet to hit the too much threshold on) )
15% to 20% per set to keep long-time collectors interested, with the cut comming out of PC types at the rarer end of the spectrum if need be.
This is fine.
Um, No. Animals are needed as familiars, animal companions, summoned allies, and wildshape forms. It is remarkably hard to find decent, appropriately-scaled animals, especially for the size small animals. As for modern pieces, if they are appropriate to the theme of the set (Russian Soldiers and Rasputin in the Reign of Winter set) then put them in. As for buying them elsewhere on moderns, where would you suggest? I've been looking for a decent source for pre-painted modern pieces (18th century on in fact) but apart from an occasional piece here and there, there just aren't that many (even paint it yourself, pieces only increase the numbers by a handful until you get into Ultra-tech wargamming in the distant future.)
After reading Lands of the Linnorm Kings, I've finally found a colossal Dragon I would want - Fafnheir. i'm sure there are other named, colossal dragons out there, but this one is different. 1st he's a Linnorm, which is a type of dragon we have yet to see in PPM, anywhere. 2nd he's a unique individual, he's not "Generic Colossal Red Dragon." Just an opinion, but I believe that any and all colossal pieces they do (if they ever do, even at a rate of one a year) should be specific, unique individuals - The 3 Kaiju from Besiary 4, The Tarrasque, Chemosit, The Oliphaunt of Jandelay, Unyielding Kothagaz, Great Cthulhu (unlikely), specific Titans (Elysian, Thanatotic, Hekatonkheires, and Fomorian). All unique individuals. I wouldn't even care if they had to be on a 7 x 7, 8 x 8, or even a 10 x 10 base, these are after all the pinnacle of Epic, Mythic Badassery.
Yes they are, though the crashed spaceship has been a staple of fantasy for around 30 years now (particularly in FRPGs). And although I want to see an Iron Gods set (With a gargantuan Annihilator Robot Case Incentive, here's hoping one is in the AP) it is not my ideal set, either. All of my arguments, aside from wanting to see an Iron Gods set have focussed on primitive firearms, not even, of the level produced in Alkenstar. Nowhere have I (or anyone besides yourself in fact) mentioned machineguns.
How do guns in Middle Ages fantasy make it time travel?
Cannon were in use in the early middle ages in warfare, as were muskets and arquebus (the handgunne). The heavy plate armor which so many people are fond of, wouldn't have existed without the introduction of firearms.
They make even more sense in Asian fantasy, since explosive-tipped arrows and cannon were used by the Chinese in the late 900's - early 1000s, with actual hand-held guns (not to be confused with modern pistols) being a regular feature in the 1200's.
And as I said, a cool monster is a cool monster, and I would almost certainly make use of Yokai demons, Oni of all stripes, Kappa, bakemono, Yonguai demons, Quilin, Kui mountain demons, etc. I just don't need bunches of Samurai and Ninja.
I probably wouldn't get so irked over Asian Fantasy if it was actually reflective of the diversity of Asian culture, but unfortunately here in the states the Genre is glutted with Japanese imagery as filtered through the lens of Anime, with a dash of Chinese unarmed fighting and hopping vampires for spice.
Apologies for the thread-jacking, bit of a sore spot as a gamer / history buff.
Never said it went to far, just said it wasn't really my thing. And a cool monster is a cool monster, I just don't need an overload of ninja, samurai, monks and monkey men and fox folk. My ideal I know I will never see because people seem so dead set against guns in fantasy. I mean an aisain set that included peasant harquebussers and imperial cannon would certainly catch my eye, but Jade Regent was, sadly, lacking in both.
If these changes strengthen the PF Battles line than it's all good.
I'm glad that the sets haven't rigidly tied to the APs to date (at least since Skull and Shackles) since otherwise we still wouldn't have: the Seaweed Siren, the Wolliped, at least a couple of the Demons, and that stunning Gargantuan White Dragon case incentive among others.
I too am a little disappointed that there wasn't a frost giant or two (Pigraven, you are not alone on the H & M one) and the moss troll, but with the two Ice Trolls, I'm not mad at it.
This set however, was probably not the ideal one to implement the changes to the line in since the AP is all over the map cosmically and as a result there are at least 10 pieces in it that will not have as wide an appeal (the 4 Moderns, 5 Triaxians, and the Wolliped - I like 'em but I know not everyone does.)
I know at some point we'll get more fey and (hopefully) a couple of alternate sculpt frost giants and that's cool.
I just hope that these changes strengthen the line as a whole.
I for one would love an Iron Gods PB set, and I would be happy if it came out a year or two after the AP. My group (which only meets every two weeks for about 5 hours) is currently working it's way through Rise of the Runelords [Mainly because I got the deluxe edition in the Leatherbound with the handouts and what not, and they saw it on my Lectern so now I had to use it you know.) After that we're hoping to move on to Carrion Crown or Wrath of the Righteous so at least my little corner of the Paizo-verse doesn't need the releases to sync up. I am sure I'm not alone in this either. That said, I repeat, I would love an Iron Gods PB set and would totally buy it (Granted I'd also buy a Carrion Crown Set, a Legacy of Fire Set, a Second Darkness Set, a Kingmaker Set, you get the idea.) Actually Jade Regent and Council of Thieves are probably the only APs I'd have to look at the set long and hard before buying (I don't do Asian Fantasy, I know some do, and that's cool, just not my cup of tea is all; and Council of Thieves was just kind of flat IMO).
And the key to Legends of Golarion is that it was thematically loose, not thematically non-existant. It was still tied together rather nicely with a large assortment of critters native to Golarion alone (reefclaw, charu-ka,the akhata, Segauthi, and Dehrii), organizations (the tooth gang, eagle knights, hellknights, Thrune agent, Knight of Ozem), NPCs native to the setting (The three Kings, the queen, The Sandpoint Devil) and Golarions unique twist on such creatures as genii, serpent folk, demons, and kobolds. H and M by contrast was about as generic as one could get with it's stand out figure, the frost giant, only even loosely resembling the one in the PF Bestiary 1.
Scribbling Rambler wrote:
True, there was a set with only one iconic in it, the first set, Heroes and Monsters. It was also the smallest set released, and the only one with no real thematic structure. Also Wrath of the Rightgeous technically had 3 Iconics (Imrijka, and Alain, and Alain on Horseback). Balazar is unlikely (requiring a second slot for his Eidolon) and Alahazra strikes me as unlikely (as far as I know, Iconics have always been split 1 male and 1 female) which by process of elimination make Damiel the only logical choice.
Good to know, is it any good?
or with 30 or 40 mixed with similar numbers of owls and falcons, you could put your players through an homage to The Birds. Of course in this homage there is an explanation, an evil Tengu Druid is manipulating them all in honor of the Demon Lord Pazuzu.
Yes!! The Russians are coming. Going to need at least 4 of each of the commons, and at least one of each of Rasputin and Polkovnik. Already scouring for a good Tank toy / model to proxy in for the Tsar tank. Thank you so much for not neglecting part 5 of the path. Hook us up with some fey next week and everyone will have had something to make them cheer.
Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Just got this one myself and I wouldn't be mad at another 2 or 3 of these a year.
Granted I wouldn't be mad at an additional Evolutions set or 2 a year either. Now here is a product where Dragons shine, three sizes, one creature, and consistent sculpts across the board. I Have both the Red and White ones and the Gargantuan White looks like a good match for the White Dragon Evolution Set. Here's hoping, if and when they get to Green and Blue they Match-up with the existing Gargantuan pieces nicely, and that WHEN a Gargantuan Red is produced the reverse is also true and that it matches the existing evolution set. That was one of the things in the DDM line and their Iconics line that irked me, there was little consistency in the styles and proportions between their sculpts (Most noticeable among the Reds and Blues, though Green, Black, and White were all over the map in scale, proportion, and style as well.)
Well rejoice because the next ones been confirmed to be something other than a dragon. I like the shemhazian a lot and would not be dissapointed at all if it was what we got, I just think its unlikely because Erik said prolly no more demons for a while. Maybe he's just trying to throw us off to surprise us:) If we see all 4 gargantuans from inner sea bestiary before a red dragon ima be pretty upset though. None of my games incoreperate any of those monsters to the degree they do dragons. I wouldn't mind having the shemhazian first though
Maybe all 4 from the Inner Sea Bestiary and the Shemahazian would be a bit much, but 2 non-dragons would be a nice change-up. Out of 7 sets to date, 5 have had a Dragon as an Incentive (Huge Black, Garg. Blue, Brinebones, Garg. Green, and with RoW, Garg. White) only the Rune Giant and Deskari break the pattern. DDM Iconics line Did 3 Garg. Dragons (Black, Blue and White) and one Col.+ (Red) and only 1 non-dragon (Orcus) before its cancellation. I'm just worried by the trend of a "We need a really big monster to capstone this, I've got it a Dragon! Now which one haven't we made yet . . ." Pathfinder has such a rich diversity of monsters in all size ranges, it just seems a shame to fall back to the 'old stand-by' of a Dragon. Don't get me wrong here, I like Dragons and own all the current Case Incentives and the D&D Iconics (And at least one of each Huge from DDM, the 4 from Mage Knight 1.0, Fin Fang Foom, and around 30 more that Proxy well in the game) I am just speaking in favor of a little more diversity is all.
Another unrelated idea I'm going to toss out to Mr. Mona. How about doing a Huge critter as a 'Brick incentive'? Something you can use more than one of, so people who buy a case can get 4 without feeling upset.