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or with 30 or 40 mixed with similar numbers of owls and falcons, you could put your players through an homage to The Birds. Of course in this homage there is an explanation, an evil Tengu Druid is manipulating them all in honor of the Demon Lord Pazuzu.
Yes!! The Russians are coming. Going to need at least 4 of each of the commons, and at least one of each of Rasputin and Polkovnik. Already scouring for a good Tank toy / model to proxy in for the Tsar tank. Thank you so much for not neglecting part 5 of the path. Hook us up with some fey next week and everyone will have had something to make them cheer.
Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Just got this one myself and I wouldn't be mad at another 2 or 3 of these a year.
Granted I wouldn't be mad at an additional Evolutions set or 2 a year either. Now here is a product where Dragons shine, three sizes, one creature, and consistent sculpts across the board. I Have both the Red and White ones and the Gargantuan White looks like a good match for the White Dragon Evolution Set. Here's hoping, if and when they get to Green and Blue they Match-up with the existing Gargantuan pieces nicely, and that WHEN a Gargantuan Red is produced the reverse is also true and that it matches the existing evolution set. That was one of the things in the DDM line and their Iconics line that irked me, there was little consistency in the styles and proportions between their sculpts (Most noticeable among the Reds and Blues, though Green, Black, and White were all over the map in scale, proportion, and style as well.)
Well rejoice because the next ones been confirmed to be something other than a dragon. I like the shemhazian a lot and would not be dissapointed at all if it was what we got, I just think its unlikely because Erik said prolly no more demons for a while. Maybe he's just trying to throw us off to surprise us:) If we see all 4 gargantuans from inner sea bestiary before a red dragon ima be pretty upset though. None of my games incoreperate any of those monsters to the degree they do dragons. I wouldn't mind having the shemhazian first though
Maybe all 4 from the Inner Sea Bestiary and the Shemahazian would be a bit much, but 2 non-dragons would be a nice change-up. Out of 7 sets to date, 5 have had a Dragon as an Incentive (Huge Black, Garg. Blue, Brinebones, Garg. Green, and with RoW, Garg. White) only the Rune Giant and Deskari break the pattern. DDM Iconics line Did 3 Garg. Dragons (Black, Blue and White) and one Col.+ (Red) and only 1 non-dragon (Orcus) before its cancellation. I'm just worried by the trend of a "We need a really big monster to capstone this, I've got it a Dragon! Now which one haven't we made yet . . ." Pathfinder has such a rich diversity of monsters in all size ranges, it just seems a shame to fall back to the 'old stand-by' of a Dragon. Don't get me wrong here, I like Dragons and own all the current Case Incentives and the D&D Iconics (And at least one of each Huge from DDM, the 4 from Mage Knight 1.0, Fin Fang Foom, and around 30 more that Proxy well in the game) I am just speaking in favor of a little more diversity is all.
Another unrelated idea I'm going to toss out to Mr. Mona. How about doing a Huge critter as a 'Brick incentive'? Something you can use more than one of, so people who buy a case can get 4 without feeling upset.
And this, right here is why I favor seeing the 4 Gargantuans from the Inner Sea bestiary (Even the Annhilator Robot, especially the robot since it is such an Iconic Image of the region) before we get another Dragon.
If the Dancing Hut had been feasible, absolutely. The White Dragon was an 11th hour swap and that's fine. I personally am fond of it, but it has no where near the cool factor that the Dancing Hut had. No other Gargantuan creature is really appropriate as a sub in this case.
That said I, yes, I would prefer some of the more esoteric Gargantuan critters before we see another dragon - Bandersnatch, Neothelid, Nightcrawler, the Shemhazian, one of the 3 or 4 Gargantuans in the Inner Sea Bestiary, or even a down scaled Colossal (Only way I suspect we'll ever see a Titan, Spawn of Rovagug or Kaiju)
ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.
Glad to hear that the next Gargantuan after Reign of Winter's White Dragon is not going to be a dragon. I like dragons but I also like variety. A skilled GM can find a use for ANY mini, maybe not immediately, but they can find a use for it. I know I cannot the only GM who was designed an encounter around a mini that they found to do a unique set-piece battle. Bring on the unusual!!
That said, that is probably the coolest (pun intended) looking Gargantuan dragon mini I have see to date.
Thehigher cause wrote:
Not one to start a riot, but I was wondering why no good dragons?
"The only Good Dragon, is a Dead Dragon!" ;-) Someone had to say it, might as well be me.
Though I confess I'd be far more interested in Imperial, Primal, or Outer Dragons, bumping the Metallic Dragons to the back of the line (I am acutely aware I am in the minority, but as a game for over 30 years I find I need far more antagonists than allies as miniatures).
Part of the problem is that Drizz't Do'Urden has a VERY large fanbase and he sells consistently. I agree that he's getting to be old hat at this point, but he's an Iconic FR figure. He sells novels, which in turn pull in new gamers is the WotC theory. Why they consistently go back to him instead of mining their other novels for heroic figures (Alias, Elaith Craulnober, Olive Ruskettle, Cadderly Bonaduce, Dragonbait, the Harpers, etc.) Problem is most of their heroes are in only 3 to 5 novels, where as Drizzt is in 15 and counting. Much as I dislike the fact that they're mining that piece of ground again, I can understand the why of it.
Matthew Morris wrote:
Not to defend the New 52, but Donna Troy's continuity was messed up waaaay before Flashpoint. ;-)
I'd buy a couple cases of this in a heartbeat, as a hunter, though, I must object to your stag being a medium male deer, the proper term for a male of that size would be "Hart."
Here are some others I'd like to see:
1/2 Orc lamplighter / street cleaner;
And a clubfooted hunchback in jester's motley with an evil sneer and brooding brow.
If you're going to dream, dream big!!
Fey would be exceptionally cool, but . . . .
. . . . so would The Mad Monk and a couple of different Russian Soldiers, circa the first world war. I'm sure I could find other uses for them.
For Builder sets as of right now to get them started -
Orcs - 5 Sculpts
And if they were to do A builder with Large Sculpts -
Ogres - 4 Sculpts (plus the Ogrekin)
Needed as a builder but there are insufficient sculpts -
Lizardfolk - 1 sculpt (2 if you count the Troglodyte)
For the next Evolutions set -
Black Dragon Evolution - They have a Medium and a Huge already;
Took me almost a week to notice that the Ice Elemental is SMALL. This reminded me that we don't have small versions of the 4 classic elementals in Pathfinder Battles either, only medium and large. That definintely is something that needs to be fixed. Maybe another "workhorse" set like Heroes and Monsters is needed (only at the present 55 piece standard), nothing Golarion-specific, just a good solid range of commonly encountered beasties, townsfolk, mercenaries, and such. It could even be split say 60/40 between Asian and "Western" pieces, with #55 being a Gargantuan Imperial Dragon (Any would work, but my pref. would be for Forest).
On the Iconics, a one and done set would be fine (All academic at this point I know), as I stated earlier I am well aware it is a niche product.
As for the dragons, the old DDM line didn't evrn come close on the Metallics (Large Gold, Silver, Bronze, Brass, Copper (x2), and Iron (?); Medium Gold, Brass, Copper, and (maybe) Silver), and Huge Gold) Chromatics gor a little better spread with only the Black getting neglected in a Huge slot. And then there was the Icons line - Where the Metallics (all of them), Green, (and to a lesser extent) the mighty Red got shafted by not getting a Gargantuan piece (Red did get the Collossal Plus, but as much as I enjoy it, it is definitely a Once per 2 or 3 campaign piece, if ever). Paizo and WizKids have done a bang-up job on filling these gaps on the Chromatics.
My objection is only that Asian Dragons have been part of the game for over 30 years; Linnorms for the better part of 20 years now; Plus the Primal Dragons (B3) and the Outer Dragons (B4)[Many of which would also proxy nicely for some of the odder dragons in D&D], and yet there have been only 2 non-chromatic, non-metallic dragons in the DDM line (Not counting the 2 Aspects) and neither of them was even remotely Asiatic looking [Large Shadow and Deep Dragon]. I'd merely like to see some of the rich diversity of Draconic species.
And on Elementals, Shatterd Star had both Medium and Large of the 4 classical, so an Evolutions set, just to get the 4 Huges, although nice, I expect would more than likely be cost prohibitive.
And if the bases were not a portion of the Battles line as was implied, I would have no issue with them; they would work as an effective stop-gap measure, and would be fine for in game use. I know I can't be the only person who does diorama work with PPM's though, for which enlarged versions of the Iconics, Duergar, Spriggans, etc. would be a necessity. I can see your perspective on not wanting one to take up a slot that could be otherwise filled by a critter. However a set being released in the Evolutions line would not be a bad fit at all. IMHO (and I am well aware I am in the minority here) if ANY more dragons are to be done (as anything other than a case incentive) then I would be happy as all get out if NONE of them were Chromatics or Metallics.
If people really need a PC in standard and enlarged (and mounted) versions, there is always this option
That said, if Enlarged Iconics aren't on the menu, please don't do a "enlarged base" for mediums. It's a tacky hack, at best.
I guess I am in the minority then. I, like The Fox, would actually like to see Enlarged versions of the Iconics - Specifically Harsk, Imrijka, Valeros, Seoni, Sajan, Heavy Metal Rock Icon Magus (his name escapes me), Balazar, Lem, and Lini. Although it is a niche piece, it is also a situation that comes up pretty frequently in games out my way.
Dave Gross wrote:
But I'm sure the Unicorns do :)
And yet there are 14 Dragons, 13 Goblins, 8 Elemntals, 5 Genies, A BUNCH of Humans (no I'm not going to take the time to count them all), 2 Fire Demons, 4 Succubus type Demons (5 if you count the Incubus), 4 Ogres, 3 or 4 Trolls, and yet this focus on the Dogs. Not disagreeing that we may have enough Canids for a bit, but I'd rather see more of that than another Dragon, Demon, Goblin, or Human at the moment. In general I am happy with whatever makes it into a set, however, even if I do have a bunch of mini's of a given type in PPM (and I have a collection that stretches back to MageKnight Alpha), simply because I know not everyone has that large a horde of mini's to choose from.
Incidentally, a couple more Canid's i could really use: Gnolls and Hyaenas, especially Gnolls dedicated to Lamashtu (and perhaps the Mother of Monsters herself) though I know these are not appropo to Reign of Winter.
Keep the good mini's coming, regardless of what they are ;-)
Why? There are only 8 dog or dog-like minis (9 with Daji) in the Pathfinder Battles line and none since Shatterd Star (H&M had the wolf, RotRL had Goblin Dog, Yeth Hound, and Malfeskor [sp, the Bargest], We be Goblins added an additional Goblin Dog paint job, and Shattered Star added the Shadow Hound, Yeth Hound, and Hound of Tindalos). Even if you throw in the H&M werewolf and the 2 versions of the Goblin Commando on Goblin Dog it is still not an unreasonable number. Personally I'd like to see a Riding Dog, Guard Dog, Stray Dog and a couple of new (non-leaping) wolf sculpts. (Not all in one set mind you.) In fact the ONLY critter type I think they've worn out in the line right now is the evil outsider (And I like outsiders, but Wrath'll do it for me for the better part of a year or 2).
Berk the Black wrote:
I'm not saying make less female character types, just asking for a decent male paladin sculpt. That one class seems to have reverse gender discrimination against it.
Fair enough, PFB has done 3 female paladins (including the 1st half-orc female Paladin I've ever seen, PPM or otherwise), so a few male paladins would be cool.
How would you differentiate a Paladin from a heavily armored fighter or cavalier though? (Alain makes a pretty good paladin substitute at the moment.)
I just want to see more of a racial diversity in my ppm's PFB currently has a (small) handfull of gnomes and halflings, 4 half-orcs, 1 elf, 2 dwarfs, and a plethora of half-elves and humans. But I don't want just core races either, I want more catfolk, tengu, charu-ka (1 each at the moment), kitsune, nagaji, samsaran, wayang, ratfolk, (all currently at 0), etc.
Virtually all PPM sets to date (From the abysmal Alpha run of Mage Knight on-ward) have had scads of heroic looking male figures in the gaumut of fantasy races. Female figures however, have either been impractically attired (to put it delicately), magi, or priests, with very few martial types; and are largely half-elves, elves, and humans.
Pathfinder Battles has done a lot to fix this gender / racial balance; while still providing heroic male figures.
Agreed on the Brimoraxen and Derakni, but I have to disagree strongly on Korramzadeh. They upper set of eyes being spaced the way they are actually makes sense, given that it widens his peripheral vision in a way that them being one above another wouldn't have. This is actually a consistent structure among those critters in the real world that have more than 2 eyes (mainly insects and arachnids). As for not matching up with the WotR art, well, your milage may vary, but aren't the minis generally based directly on a piece of art from the source material?
Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
Agreed, especially in light of the fact that there is a Kingdom on Golarion where they are prominent.
(I'd like a Mimmoth (tiny Mammoth on a small base), too, but I sincerely doubt Studio Foglio would ever release the rights to do one.)
All the big minis are awesome, and I especially like getting female monsters to complement the male-heavy contingents of existing minis. But for me the most exciting piece in this reveal is the cultist with the scythe. I think that's only the second PPM with a scythe I ever remember seeing. (The Cleric of Nerull is the only other one I remember, from an early DDM set.) That's fabulous!
The Redcap from Shattered Star(?) has one as well.
Nice!! I'm going to need at least 2 of the Minotaur and at least a Dozen of the Schiir Demon (How about a demon's builder set huh?). Then all I'll need is a Pathfinder based mass battle and / or skirmish level mini's wargame that uses these minis and the Golarion setting. It's just not the same trying to retrofit other rule sets to the minis available.
Don't know about Wolfweres, Werejackals and Hengeyokai; but the rest of that list is WotC IP and thus a no-go, besides Half-bloods are covered by Serpentfolk and Use an evil Naga if you need an Abomination.
Nah, that red is merely a large.
Awesome! The only thing that can make this even better is a Gargantuan Red! Hopefully we'll start seeing some Evolution of Metallics, Primals, and Imperials too (I'm especially interested in the Silver Dragon Evolution as well as a gargantuan-sized Silver Dragon as well). ^_^
Agreed, while I understand the need for the Red Dragon I have both the Huge Red Dragons, both the Large Red dragons, the Medium Red Dragon (all from the DDM line) and the Large Red Dragon (from the PB line) as well as the Colossal Red dragon from the DDM Iconics line, and the Red Dragon Samurai and the both Redspawn Spawn of Tiamat minis (from the DDM line as well), so I am a little Red-dragoned out. (Keep in mind that this will not stop me from buying the set).
Here's hoping the next evolution set is a Metallic (Ideally Bronze or Brass, both under represented in ppm) or an Imperial or Primal.
The Slayer sounds cool, but then you realize that it's basically a racist serial killer...
Not necessarily racist, Evil characters can take their own race as a favored enemy if I'm not mistaken. Besides I'll take it if it means one less caster.
Also +1 to both the Jack Black-esque Barbarian/Bard and the John Woo style Gunslinger/Monk (as long as when he's channeling his Ki through his gunfighting, Doves appear flying through the background, Even underground ;-) )
Can you stop trying to "Push the limits of large"? That's a huge mini on a 2" base.
Then again, "pushing the limits of Large" in this manner gets us sculpts that otherwise we wouldn't get expect as case incentives and as part of evolution packs due to the prohibitive cost of Huge minis. If the oversized larges really upset you that much, there are commercialy available bases for huge figures, just re base it.