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Frencois wrote:

First thing first : Welcome in our beautiful country Erik !

Hope you'll have a blast.
Will try to show up at Black Book Edition this week :-)

For the "other" subjects :
- Less sculpts per release is never good news. Well, we will have to deal with it.
- I fully agree that the mix that sells is :
1) A bunch of potential characters that we can play (from gnomes to half-ogres with of course humans), with variety of class/sex/looks/weapons...

Hopefully no more than half a set at a shot, otherwise it is of limited utility to many GMs

Frencois wrote:


2) A bunch of classic or nearly classic monsters (make sure you have the basic Bestiary well covered) - you never have enough gobs, kobolds, trolls or purple worms.

Hopefully no more than 1/4 of any given set, and then not every one, otherwise you end up losing regulars who have too many of these 'Classic Monsters' (Contrary to popular opinion, it is possible to have too many kobolds, orcs, trolls, Dragons, and even Goblins (though this is one I have yet to hit the too much threshold on) )

Frencois wrote:


3) A few exotic monsters (not that much)

15% to 20% per set to keep long-time collectors interested, with the cut comming out of PC types at the rarer end of the spectrum if need be.

Frencois wrote:


4) 2 or 3 of the "big boss" type

This is fine.

Frencois wrote:


5) and forget about animal farms or modern stuff - if I want some, I get them eslsewhere

Um, No. Animals are needed as familiars, animal companions, summoned allies, and wildshape forms. It is remarkably hard to find decent, appropriately-scaled animals, especially for the size small animals. As for modern pieces, if they are appropriate to the theme of the set (Russian Soldiers and Rasputin in the Reign of Winter set) then put them in. As for buying them elsewhere on moderns, where would you suggest? I've been looking for a decent source for pre-painted modern pieces (18th century on in fact) but apart from an occasional piece here and there, there just aren't that many (even paint it yourself, pieces only increase the numbers by a handful until you get into Ultra-tech wargamming in the distant future.)


After reading Lands of the Linnorm Kings, I've finally found a colossal Dragon I would want - Fafnheir. i'm sure there are other named, colossal dragons out there, but this one is different. 1st he's a Linnorm, which is a type of dragon we have yet to see in PPM, anywhere. 2nd he's a unique individual, he's not "Generic Colossal Red Dragon." Just an opinion, but I believe that any and all colossal pieces they do (if they ever do, even at a rate of one a year) should be specific, unique individuals - The 3 Kaiju from Besiary 4, The Tarrasque, Chemosit, The Oliphaunt of Jandelay, Unyielding Kothagaz, Great Cthulhu (unlikely), specific Titans (Elysian, Thanatotic, Hekatonkheires, and Fomorian). All unique individuals. I wouldn't even care if they had to be on a 7 x 7, 8 x 8, or even a 10 x 10 base, these are after all the pinnacle of Epic, Mythic Badassery.


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Even without an Iron Gods AP themed set, I still want a set with a Gargantuan Annihilator Robot as a case incentive though. ;-)


Gancanagh wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:

How do guns in Middle Ages fantasy make it time travel?

Cannon were in use in the early middle ages in warfare, as were muskets and arquebus (the handgunne). The heavy plate armor which so many people are fond of, wouldn't have existed without the introduction of firearms.

They make even more sense in Asian fantasy, since explosive-tipped arrows and cannon were used by the Chinese in the late 900's - early 1000s, with actual hand-held guns (not to be confused with modern pistols) being a regular feature in the 1200's.

And as I said, a cool monster is a cool monster, and I would almost certainly make use of Yokai demons, Oni of all stripes, Kappa, bakemono, Yonguai demons, Quilin, Kui mountain demons, etc. I just don't need bunches of Samurai and Ninja.

I probably wouldn't get so irked over Asian Fantasy if it was actually reflective of the diversity of Asian culture, but unfortunately here in the states the Genre is glutted with Japanese imagery as filtered through the lens of Anime, with a dash of Chinese unarmed fighting and hopping vampires for spice.

Apologies for the thread-jacking, bit of a sore spot as a gamer / history buff.

Muskets & cannons are a very different story than computer-loaden spaceschip or machineguns

Yes they are, though the crashed spaceship has been a staple of fantasy for around 30 years now (particularly in FRPGs). And although I want to see an Iron Gods set (With a gargantuan Annihilator Robot Case Incentive, here's hoping one is in the AP) it is not my ideal set, either. All of my arguments, aside from wanting to see an Iron Gods set have focussed on primitive firearms, not even, of the level produced in Alkenstar. Nowhere have I (or anyone besides yourself in fact) mentioned machineguns.


How do guns in Middle Ages fantasy make it time travel?

Cannon were in use in the early middle ages in warfare, as were muskets and arquebus (the handgunne). The heavy plate armor which so many people are fond of, wouldn't have existed without the introduction of firearms.

They make even more sense in Asian fantasy, since explosive-tipped arrows and cannon were used by the Chinese in the late 900's - early 1000s, with actual hand-held guns (not to be confused with modern pistols) being a regular feature in the 1200's.

And as I said, a cool monster is a cool monster, and I would almost certainly make use of Yokai demons, Oni of all stripes, Kappa, bakemono, Yonguai demons, Quilin, Kui mountain demons, etc. I just don't need bunches of Samurai and Ninja.

I probably wouldn't get so irked over Asian Fantasy if it was actually reflective of the diversity of Asian culture, but unfortunately here in the states the Genre is glutted with Japanese imagery as filtered through the lens of Anime, with a dash of Chinese unarmed fighting and hopping vampires for spice.

Apologies for the thread-jacking, bit of a sore spot as a gamer / history buff.


Gancanagh wrote:

Lol you do robots but Asian mythology goes to far? Actually Asian mythology fits in with all other mythology like a glove.

I would love a jade regent set most with Jinmenju, Rokurokubi, Jorogumo and all other awesome Asian creatures in it!

Never said it went to far, just said it wasn't really my thing. And a cool monster is a cool monster, I just don't need an overload of ninja, samurai, monks and monkey men and fox folk. My ideal I know I will never see because people seem so dead set against guns in fantasy. I mean an aisain set that included peasant harquebussers and imperial cannon would certainly catch my eye, but Jade Regent was, sadly, lacking in both.


If these changes strengthen the PF Battles line than it's all good.

I'm glad that the sets haven't rigidly tied to the APs to date (at least since Skull and Shackles) since otherwise we still wouldn't have: the Seaweed Siren, the Wolliped, at least a couple of the Demons, and that stunning Gargantuan White Dragon case incentive among others.

I too am a little disappointed that there wasn't a frost giant or two (Pigraven, you are not alone on the H & M one) and the moss troll, but with the two Ice Trolls, I'm not mad at it.

This set however, was probably not the ideal one to implement the changes to the line in since the AP is all over the map cosmically and as a result there are at least 10 pieces in it that will not have as wide an appeal (the 4 Moderns, 5 Triaxians, and the Wolliped - I like 'em but I know not everyone does.)

I know at some point we'll get more fey and (hopefully) a couple of alternate sculpt frost giants and that's cool.

I just hope that these changes strengthen the line as a whole.


I for one would love an Iron Gods PB set, and I would be happy if it came out a year or two after the AP. My group (which only meets every two weeks for about 5 hours) is currently working it's way through Rise of the Runelords [Mainly because I got the deluxe edition in the Leatherbound with the handouts and what not, and they saw it on my Lectern so now I had to use it you know.) After that we're hoping to move on to Carrion Crown or Wrath of the Righteous so at least my little corner of the Paizo-verse doesn't need the releases to sync up. I am sure I'm not alone in this either. That said, I repeat, I would love an Iron Gods PB set and would totally buy it (Granted I'd also buy a Carrion Crown Set, a Legacy of Fire Set, a Second Darkness Set, a Kingmaker Set, you get the idea.) Actually Jade Regent and Council of Thieves are probably the only APs I'd have to look at the set long and hard before buying (I don't do Asian Fantasy, I know some do, and that's cool, just not my cup of tea is all; and Council of Thieves was just kind of flat IMO).


And the key to Legends of Golarion is that it was thematically loose, not thematically non-existant. It was still tied together rather nicely with a large assortment of critters native to Golarion alone (reefclaw, charu-ka,the akhata, Segauthi, and Dehrii), organizations (the tooth gang, eagle knights, hellknights, Thrune agent, Knight of Ozem), NPCs native to the setting (The three Kings, the queen, The Sandpoint Devil) and Golarions unique twist on such creatures as genii, serpent folk, demons, and kobolds. H and M by contrast was about as generic as one could get with it's stand out figure, the frost giant, only even loosely resembling the one in the PF Bestiary 1.


Scribbling Rambler wrote:
TheOrangeOne wrote:
Please Announce who the other Iconic is going to be :)

I'm not 100% sure that there will be another iconic. Has Erik said there will be?

The iconic party used in this AP is Feiya (revealed), Imrijka (in WotR), Lini (in LoG), and Valeros (BBH).
The iconics who have not been minified are Reiko and Hayato (probably being saved for an eventual Jade Regent set), Balazar, Alahazra, and Damiel. The last 3 don't really feel like a fit for me, especially Balazar, because he would require another mini for his eidolon.
They have released a set before with only 1 iconic.

I actually hope that I'm wrong, because I love the iconic minis, but I don't think we can assume there is another until it's announced.

True, there was a set with only one iconic in it, the first set, Heroes and Monsters. It was also the smallest set released, and the only one with no real thematic structure. Also Wrath of the Rightgeous technically had 3 Iconics (Imrijka, and Alain, and Alain on Horseback). Balazar is unlikely (requiring a second slot for his Eidolon) and Alahazra strikes me as unlikely (as far as I know, Iconics have always been split 1 male and 1 female) which by process of elimination make Damiel the only logical choice.


Feros wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:
TheOrangeOne wrote:
Please Announce who the other Iconic is going to be :)
Don't do it!! Make the other Iconic the last reveal, keep us in suspense till the very end ;)
Feeling particularly evil today, Leo? ;)

Today? ;)


TheOrangeOne wrote:
Please Announce who the other Iconic is going to be :)

Don't do it!! Make the other Iconic the last reveal, keep us in suspense till the very end ;)


Titans, Kaiju, Great Cthulhu.


GreatKhanArtist wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:
or with 30 or 40 mixed with similar numbers of owls and falcons, you could put your players through an homage to The Birds. Of course in this homage there is an explanation, an evil Tengu Druid is manipulating them all in honor of the Demon Lord Pazuzu.
Actually, there is a module for this. It's called "Wings over Freeport".

Good to know, is it any good?


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Gancanagh wrote:

The raven you can use as the shapeshifting terror bogeyman Valravn.

Or if you have two of them as Huginn and Muninn from norse myths of course.

or with 30 or 40 mixed with similar numbers of owls and falcons, you could put your players through an homage to The Birds. Of course in this homage there is an explanation, an evil Tengu Druid is manipulating them all in honor of the Demon Lord Pazuzu.


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Yes!! The Russians are coming. Going to need at least 4 of each of the commons, and at least one of each of Rasputin and Polkovnik. Already scouring for a good Tank toy / model to proxy in for the Tsar tank. Thank you so much for not neglecting part 5 of the path. Hook us up with some fey next week and everyone will have had something to make them cheer.


Scribbling Rambler wrote:

Among Gargantuans, I'm most interested in the Shemhazian or Roc.

But I'm going to throw out another idea.

What about a 2-pack of Huges similar to the RoW encounter set.

There are far more cool Huge non-dragon monsters, IMO, and I would welcome an additional way to have them released.

For a dungeon-based set, it could be a way to get the Elementals people have been asking for. Or an Aboleth and a Froghemoth. Or a Black Pudding and a Hydra. Or a pair of Golems. Or...

Just got this one myself and I wouldn't be mad at another 2 or 3 of these a year.

Granted I wouldn't be mad at an additional Evolutions set or 2 a year either. Now here is a product where Dragons shine, three sizes, one creature, and consistent sculpts across the board. I Have both the Red and White ones and the Gargantuan White looks like a good match for the White Dragon Evolution Set. Here's hoping, if and when they get to Green and Blue they Match-up with the existing Gargantuan pieces nicely, and that WHEN a Gargantuan Red is produced the reverse is also true and that it matches the existing evolution set. That was one of the things in the DDM line and their Iconics line that irked me, there was little consistency in the styles and proportions between their sculpts (Most noticeable among the Reds and Blues, though Green, Black, and White were all over the map in scale, proportion, and style as well.)


jimibones83 wrote:
Well rejoice because the next ones been confirmed to be something other than a dragon. I like the shemhazian a lot and would not be dissapointed at all if it was what we got, I just think its unlikely because Erik said prolly no more demons for a while. Maybe he's just trying to throw us off to surprise us:) If we see all 4 gargantuans from inner sea bestiary before a red dragon ima be pretty upset though. None of my games incoreperate any of those monsters to the degree they do dragons. I wouldn't mind having the shemhazian first though

Maybe all 4 from the Inner Sea Bestiary and the Shemahazian would be a bit much, but 2 non-dragons would be a nice change-up. Out of 7 sets to date, 5 have had a Dragon as an Incentive (Huge Black, Garg. Blue, Brinebones, Garg. Green, and with RoW, Garg. White) only the Rune Giant and Deskari break the pattern. DDM Iconics line Did 3 Garg. Dragons (Black, Blue and White) and one Col.+ (Red) and only 1 non-dragon (Orcus) before its cancellation. I'm just worried by the trend of a "We need a really big monster to capstone this, I've got it a Dragon! Now which one haven't we made yet . . ." Pathfinder has such a rich diversity of monsters in all size ranges, it just seems a shame to fall back to the 'old stand-by' of a Dragon. Don't get me wrong here, I like Dragons and own all the current Case Incentives and the D&D Iconics (And at least one of each Huge from DDM, the 4 from Mage Knight 1.0, Fin Fang Foom, and around 30 more that Proxy well in the game) I am just speaking in favor of a little more diversity is all.

Another unrelated idea I'm going to toss out to Mr. Mona. How about doing a Huge critter as a 'Brick incentive'? Something you can use more than one of, so people who buy a case can get 4 without feeling upset.
Just a thought.


Infernalslayer wrote:

I agree on the Shemhazian. I find this creature to really stand out in terms of design and uniqueness, compared to many other gargantuan creatures, and to me it is an iconic paizo Demon ,like say, Orcus is from D&D.

Generally, it would be cool to see Gargantuan miniatures exclusive to paizo creatures that are unique and cannot be found elsewhere in the market in similar designs.

And this, right here is why I favor seeing the 4 Gargantuans from the Inner Sea bestiary (Even the Annhilator Robot, especially the robot since it is such an Iconic Image of the region) before we get another Dragon.


jimibones83 wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:

<Snipped>

Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap

ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.

so are you saying you wish they wouldn't have done this white dragon and instead would have done something else?

I disagree. I think dragons are awesome, especially when done as well as this one. I don't have a gargantuan red and I'm holding out until paizo offers one of their own.

If the Dancing Hut had been feasible, absolutely. The White Dragon was an 11th hour swap and that's fine. I personally am fond of it, but it has no where near the cool factor that the Dancing Hut had. No other Gargantuan creature is really appropriate as a sub in this case.

That said I, yes, I would prefer some of the more esoteric Gargantuan critters before we see another dragon - Bandersnatch, Neothelid, Nightcrawler, the Shemhazian, one of the 3 or 4 Gargantuans in the Inner Sea Bestiary, or even a down scaled Colossal (Only way I suspect we'll ever see a Titan, Spawn of Rovagug or Kaiju)


jimibones83 wrote:

A gargantuan roc is needed, but gargantuan are so limited. I think I'd rather knock out all the really cool stuff first. I also feel the lack of plant monsters. There needs to be more of them, but a gargantuan isn't where I'd start.

Personally I want a gargantuan red dragon asap

ASAP may be upwards of a year from the way things are looking and based on Mr. Mona's comments. Agreed on knocking out the really cool stuff first though, So that would be Pretty much everything that isn't a Dragon, followed by the Red Dragon. Sorry but Dragon have become so common in PPM and in this game that they have lost their cool status.


Glad to hear that the next Gargantuan after Reign of Winter's White Dragon is not going to be a dragon. I like dragons but I also like variety. A skilled GM can find a use for ANY mini, maybe not immediately, but they can find a use for it. I know I cannot the only GM who was designed an encounter around a mini that they found to do a unique set-piece battle. Bring on the unusual!!

That said, that is probably the coolest (pun intended) looking Gargantuan dragon mini I have see to date.


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Greta's Axe looks absolutely perfect for severing wings and beheading Dragons, I think I have found my Wife's new PC mini!!


Thehigher cause wrote:
Not one to start a riot, but I was wondering why no good dragons?

"The only Good Dragon, is a Dead Dragon!" ;-) Someone had to say it, might as well be me.

Though I confess I'd be far more interested in Imperial, Primal, or Outer Dragons, bumping the Metallic Dragons to the back of the line (I am acutely aware I am in the minority, but as a game for over 30 years I find I need far more antagonists than allies as miniatures).


Everthefool wrote:
Cleanthes wrote:
Campaign settings like Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms, much as I love them, are already well into their dotage. At this point, they're holding Wizards back. Drizz't again? Really? Kind of sad.

Old settings can still be great... IF there's new, non-world breaking, non-super-NPC focus, etc... rather than... "We have to rehash Elminster and Drizz't's argument about the corruption in the system while fending off 1000 Orcs and Tiamat after she's broken a nail".

But yeah, Drizz't.... again??? Isn't there room for some new heroes to make their way in the Realms without there being a cataclysm of the gods, a sinkhole the size of the Moonsea, or One of the Lords of Waterdeep getting a boil on their bum?

Part of the problem is that Drizz't Do'Urden has a VERY large fanbase and he sells consistently. I agree that he's getting to be old hat at this point, but he's an Iconic FR figure. He sells novels, which in turn pull in new gamers is the WotC theory. Why they consistently go back to him instead of mining their other novels for heroic figures (Alias, Elaith Craulnober, Olive Ruskettle, Cadderly Bonaduce, Dragonbait, the Harpers, etc.) Problem is most of their heroes are in only 3 to 5 novels, where as Drizzt is in 15 and counting. Much as I dislike the fact that they're mining that piece of ground again, I can understand the why of it.


Erik Mona wrote:
I have no current plans to include repainted figures in big sets.

Thank you.


Matthew Morris wrote:
DM - Voice of the Voiceless wrote:

From the Tyranny of Dragons preview site:

** spoiler omitted **

So most likely Tiamat - or at least an avatar thereof incoming... plus unfortunately moar Drizzt and pals.

" Tiamat, the queen of evil dragons, has languished in the Nine Hells for millennia. The cult believes that the time of her return is at hand."

So wait, it's been millennia since the Godswar and Tiamat was on the prime like all the other gods and killed Gilgleam?

Or is D&D next the Flashpoint of D&D where they just thow the entire universe out the window? "D&D Next. Doing to 40 years of gamer history what DC did to Wally & Donna"

Not to defend the New 52, but Donna Troy's continuity was messed up waaaay before Flashpoint. ;-)


I'd buy a couple cases of this in a heartbeat, as a hunter, though, I must object to your stag being a medium male deer, the proper term for a male of that size would be "Hart."

Here are some others I'd like to see:

1/2 Orc lamplighter / street cleaner;
The Baker as a Gomish woman, instead of a Dwarf;
a Dwarven Brewer, however . . .;
A Gnomish Banker, an Elven (wild) Drover, a Halfling Tailor, a half-elven seamstress, a 1/2 Orc strumpet, a madame, an elven pimp, a gnome enforcer (lets go against stereotype here), an executioner, a city watch captain, a consulting detective.

And a clubfooted hunchback in jester's motley with an evil sneer and brooding brow.

If you're going to dream, dream big!!


Isil-zha wrote:
Rakshaka wrote:

... but what about the russian soldiers and tanks??

Since tanks would most likely be Huge, I guess the answer for that is no.

Personally I hope that there won't be too many modern looking minis that cannot easily double in a fantasy context. But I think I could agree with a similar ratio as we saw for the gun-wielding minis in SK. I would rather like to see more fey, though.

Fey would be exceptionally cool, but . . . .

. . . . so would The Mad Monk and a couple of different Russian Soldiers, circa the first world war. I'm sure I could find other uses for them.


Owl, Goat, Falcon, Fox, 4 Witches (so far) 2 Ice trolls, An Ice Elemental, and an Ice golem?!? Just take my money already.


For Builder sets as of right now to get them started -

Orcs - 5 Sculpts
Kobolds - 6 Sculpts
Serpentfolk - 3 Sculpts (Long shot, but hey, I can dream)

And if they were to do A builder with Large Sculpts -

Ogres - 4 Sculpts (plus the Ogrekin)
Trolls - 6 Sculpts (across 3 sub-specie)

Needed as a builder but there are insufficient sculpts -

Lizardfolk - 1 sculpt (2 if you count the Troglodyte)
Bugbears - 2 Sculpts
Hobgoblins - 0 Sculpts!!

For the next Evolutions set -

Black Dragon Evolution - They have a Medium and a Huge already;
4 (5) Elemental Sets - They already have a Medium and a Large of each of the 4 classic Elementals and a Small Ice Elemental, doing these as an Evolution Set of 4 (Small, Medium, Large, and Huge) would be sweet (as well as versatile).


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Took me almost a week to notice that the Ice Elemental is SMALL. This reminded me that we don't have small versions of the 4 classic elementals in Pathfinder Battles either, only medium and large. That definintely is something that needs to be fixed. Maybe another "workhorse" set like Heroes and Monsters is needed (only at the present 55 piece standard), nothing Golarion-specific, just a good solid range of commonly encountered beasties, townsfolk, mercenaries, and such. It could even be split say 60/40 between Asian and "Western" pieces, with #55 being a Gargantuan Imperial Dragon (Any would work, but my pref. would be for Forest).

Opinions?


Pigraven wrote:


>>SNIPPED for Space

I could understand not wanting all the dragons, especially with the waiting period between Evolution series. But looking through the old DDM lines, it doesn't seem like there were metallics made for all sizes. As both a completist and one who was drawn to this type of gaming in part because dragons are amazing, it seems almost criminal not to have made more back then. And the Evolutions series just seems a good place to me to get in three of each dragon. That way they wouldn't necessarily need to include any in future 55-piece Battles lines, thus , thus opening up even more slots for other creatures. Besides, even if they do take a break with the dragons for a bit, I'd rather see the series focus on other creatures, like Elementals.

I still believe that the best way to do enlarged Iconics would be a one & done deal. By making a special limited-run set available only through the Paizo website, you could get all the iconics at once. That way people who use them for diorama work wouldn't have to sit on their hands for the next couple years while waiting for the right piece. Likewise, those who would use them primarily for gameplay wouldn't have to worry about waiting several years for their character to finally see the light of day. A limited run and/or the exclusivity of being sold only through this website might help Paizo more efficiently determine their demand while at the same time providing a small boon in sales to other items. (After all, if you buy one thing, you'll be more tempted to throw in something else). Perhaps these miniatures could be available as a set, or individually (at a higher cost per miniature).

On the Iconics, a one and done set would be fine (All academic at this point I know), as I stated earlier I am well aware it is a niche product.

As for the dragons, the old DDM line didn't evrn come close on the Metallics (Large Gold, Silver, Bronze, Brass, Copper (x2), and Iron (?); Medium Gold, Brass, Copper, and (maybe) Silver), and Huge Gold) Chromatics gor a little better spread with only the Black getting neglected in a Huge slot. And then there was the Icons line - Where the Metallics (all of them), Green, (and to a lesser extent) the mighty Red got shafted by not getting a Gargantuan piece (Red did get the Collossal Plus, but as much as I enjoy it, it is definitely a Once per 2 or 3 campaign piece, if ever). Paizo and WizKids have done a bang-up job on filling these gaps on the Chromatics.

My objection is only that Asian Dragons have been part of the game for over 30 years; Linnorms for the better part of 20 years now; Plus the Primal Dragons (B3) and the Outer Dragons (B4)[Many of which would also proxy nicely for some of the odder dragons in D&D], and yet there have been only 2 non-chromatic, non-metallic dragons in the DDM line (Not counting the 2 Aspects) and neither of them was even remotely Asiatic looking [Large Shadow and Deep Dragon]. I'd merely like to see some of the rich diversity of Draconic species.

And on Elementals, Shatterd Star had both Medium and Large of the 4 classical, so an Evolutions set, just to get the 4 Huges, although nice, I expect would more than likely be cost prohibitive.


Pigraven wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:

If people really need a PC in standard and enlarged (and mounted) versions, there is always this option

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/heroforge/customizable-3d-printed-tabl etop-miniatures

That said, if Enlarged Iconics aren't on the menu, please don't do a "enlarged base" for mediums. It's a tacky hack, at best.

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It shouldn't matter whether or not they make enlarged bases. The bases would presumably be completely separate from a Battles line, available for purchase in small packs of four or eight (for example). You would be under no obligation to purchase or use them.

The reason I can't countenance making enlarged versions of the iconics is not because I wouldn't buy them, but that I can infer from Erik's comment that doing so would take up a slot of what would normally be a large creature in an already established set. If asked to choose, I'd much rather purchase one (or more) creature from the Bestiaries or Adventure Paths for my players to battle against than an enlarged version of their own miniature. Even if Erik considered it for another line, such as the Evolutions line, there are just too many creatures I'd prefer seeing first (I.E. All the chromatic dragons, metallic dragons, etc.).

That being said, if Erik instead decides to do a limited run of enlarged iconics completely separate from the...

And if the bases were not a portion of the Battles line as was implied, I would have no issue with them; they would work as an effective stop-gap measure, and would be fine for in game use. I know I can't be the only person who does diorama work with PPM's though, for which enlarged versions of the Iconics, Duergar, Spriggans, etc. would be a necessity. I can see your perspective on not wanting one to take up a slot that could be otherwise filled by a critter. However a set being released in the Evolutions line would not be a bad fit at all. IMHO (and I am well aware I am in the minority here) if ANY more dragons are to be done (as anything other than a case incentive) then I would be happy as all get out if NONE of them were Chromatics or Metallics.


If people really need a PC in standard and enlarged (and mounted) versions, there is always this option

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/heroforge/customizable-3d-printed-tabl etop-miniatures

That said, if Enlarged Iconics aren't on the menu, please don't do a "enlarged base" for mediums. It's a tacky hack, at best.


I guess I am in the minority then. I, like The Fox, would actually like to see Enlarged versions of the Iconics - Specifically Harsk, Imrijka, Valeros, Seoni, Sajan, Heavy Metal Rock Icon Magus (his name escapes me), Balazar, Lem, and Lini. Although it is a niche piece, it is also a situation that comes up pretty frequently in games out my way.


Dave Gross wrote:
Cleanthes wrote:
Female troll! I'd really like to see paired couplings like that become the norm. A female ogre, for instance, would be great news. (Though I don't expect one in this set, of course :-)

Agreed. Male and female versions of popular humanoid monsters would be most welcome. (Non-humanoid, too, I guess, when the difference is apparent and interesting. I don't really need unicorns with and without wangs.)

But I'm sure the Unicorns do :)


Loving the female Ice troll, I think I will call her Olga for now. The only thing that will fear her more than the PCs is her own husband. I do believe that she is the first Trollop in a PPM ever though.


Skeld wrote:
Leo_Negri wrote:
Skeld wrote:

Now that we have a fox coming as a miniature, is it time to lay of the canine-looking minis for a while? Between Shadow Hounds, Hell Hounds, Yeth Hounds, Goblin Dogs, Wolves, and the Fox, it looks like we have plenty of "dog-like" minis.

-Skeld

Why? There are only 8 dog or dog-like minis (9 with Daji) in the Pathfinder Battles line and none since Shatterd Star (H&M had the wolf, RotRL had Goblin Dog, Yeth Hound, and Malfeskor [sp, the Bargest], We be Goblins added an additional Goblin Dog paint job, and Shattered Star added the Shadow Hound, Yeth Hound, and Hound of Tindalos). Even if you throw in the H&M werewolf and the 2 versions of the Goblin Commando on Goblin Dog it is still not an unreasonable number. Personally I'd like to see a Riding Dog, Guard Dog, Stray Dog and a couple of new (non-leaping) wolf sculpts. (Not all in one set mind you.) In fact the ONLY critter type I think they've worn out in the line right now is the evil outsider (And I like outsiders, but Wrath'll do it for me for the better part of a year or 2).

Why? Because, as you mention, there are already 8 or 9 sculpts of dog-like miniatures. I'd rather PFB focus on things of which we don't already have 8 or 9 sculpts.

-Skeld

And yet there are 14 Dragons, 13 Goblins, 8 Elemntals, 5 Genies, A BUNCH of Humans (no I'm not going to take the time to count them all), 2 Fire Demons, 4 Succubus type Demons (5 if you count the Incubus), 4 Ogres, 3 or 4 Trolls, and yet this focus on the Dogs. Not disagreeing that we may have enough Canids for a bit, but I'd rather see more of that than another Dragon, Demon, Goblin, or Human at the moment. In general I am happy with whatever makes it into a set, however, even if I do have a bunch of mini's of a given type in PPM (and I have a collection that stretches back to MageKnight Alpha), simply because I know not everyone has that large a horde of mini's to choose from.

Incidentally, a couple more Canid's i could really use: Gnolls and Hyaenas, especially Gnolls dedicated to Lamashtu (and perhaps the Mother of Monsters herself) though I know these are not appropo to Reign of Winter.

Keep the good mini's coming, regardless of what they are ;-)


Skeld wrote:

Now that we have a fox coming as a miniature, is it time to lay of the canine-looking minis for a while? Between Shadow Hounds, Hell Hounds, Yeth Hounds, Goblin Dogs, Wolves, and the Fox, it looks like we have plenty of "dog-like" minis.

-Skeld

Why? There are only 8 dog or dog-like minis (9 with Daji) in the Pathfinder Battles line and none since Shatterd Star (H&M had the wolf, RotRL had Goblin Dog, Yeth Hound, and Malfeskor [sp, the Bargest], We be Goblins added an additional Goblin Dog paint job, and Shattered Star added the Shadow Hound, Yeth Hound, and Hound of Tindalos). Even if you throw in the H&M werewolf and the 2 versions of the Goblin Commando on Goblin Dog it is still not an unreasonable number. Personally I'd like to see a Riding Dog, Guard Dog, Stray Dog and a couple of new (non-leaping) wolf sculpts. (Not all in one set mind you.) In fact the ONLY critter type I think they've worn out in the line right now is the evil outsider (And I like outsiders, but Wrath'll do it for me for the better part of a year or 2).


Erik Mona wrote:
Don't tempt me, you guys.

[Fiendish Whisper] You know you want to. Go for it. It won't hurt any one, it's just for a giggle.


Now I want this, specifically a MALE goblin dressed as a succubus with wooden or scavenged junk wings on.


Isil-zha wrote:
I count 3 elves (okay one of them could be of almost any other humanoid race)

Right my bad, I forgot about Meri being in the Heroes set, and the one in the full armour.


Berk the Black wrote:
I'm not saying make less female character types, just asking for a decent male paladin sculpt. That one class seems to have reverse gender discrimination against it.

Fair enough, PFB has done 3 female paladins (including the 1st half-orc female Paladin I've ever seen, PPM or otherwise), so a few male paladins would be cool.

How would you differentiate a Paladin from a heavily armored fighter or cavalier though? (Alain makes a pretty good paladin substitute at the moment.)

I just want to see more of a racial diversity in my ppm's PFB currently has a (small) handfull of gnomes and halflings, 4 half-orcs, 1 elf, 2 dwarfs, and a plethora of half-elves and humans. But I don't want just core races either, I want more catfolk, tengu, charu-ka (1 each at the moment), kitsune, nagaji, samsaran, wayang, ratfolk, (all currently at 0), etc.


RuyanVe wrote:

Those look cool!

Some heroic male figures would be nice, too.

Ruyan.

Virtually all PPM sets to date (From the abysmal Alpha run of Mage Knight on-ward) have had scads of heroic looking male figures in the gaumut of fantasy races. Female figures however, have either been impractically attired (to put it delicately), magi, or priests, with very few martial types; and are largely half-elves, elves, and humans.

Pathfinder Battles has done a lot to fix this gender / racial balance; while still providing heroic male figures.


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Brimorak, Yes!! I'm going to need at least a dozen of those bad boys. As far as the others go, they (with the exception of the Vescavor Queen, which just looks awesome) look awesome and like they could fill in for several different roles outside of the AP.


That and, while the name may be open content, the mini isn't. I believe that's also why we have mini's of the "Treachery Demon," "Wrath Demon," "Death Demon," "Greater Death Demon," "Fire Demon," "Blood Demon," and "Snake Demon."


We really need a 360 spin on the Invader to fully appreciate it don't we? It's simply awesome in the front only shot.


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Sc8rpi8n_mjd wrote:

Yeah we need some brimoraks and deraknis.

I hate to say this but Korramzadeh's face is... ugly, with the upper eyes not aligned with the lower pair. It also doesn't have the unique appearance we have been seeing in the WotR AP. He looks like another standard fire demon with a silvery sword and armor.

Agreed on the Brimoraxen and Derakni, but I have to disagree strongly on Korramzadeh. They upper set of eyes being spaced the way they are actually makes sense, given that it widens his peripheral vision in a way that them being one above another wouldn't have. This is actually a consistent structure among those critters in the real world that have more than 2 eyes (mainly insects and arachnids). As for not matching up with the WotR art, well, your milage may vary, but aren't the minis generally based directly on a piece of art from the source material?


Liking this set more and more - of the revealed minis 19 are fiends of one stripe or another and another 2 are female half-orcs, a badly needed gap in my mini collection.

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