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Mark Seifter wrote:


As untyped bonuses from the same source, they wouldn't stack. The confusing nature of the feat, of course, is why that Special clause tongue-in-cheekly refers to the fact that the designer really needs to specify what happens if you take it multiple times.

But then this means that both the feat *and* the Attribute is the source.

This ruling bothers me a lot. I feel that this makes it hard to figure out what feats/abilities actually do by reading them. Cause now you have to keep in mind how that feat calculates its numbers. It just feels to me that it is needlessly constraining future design space. The bonus type-system is elegant and intuitive. You can tell what stacks and what does not just by reading a feat or ability. Making attributes sources means that you need to back track where modifiers come from.

A specific example is of Fury's Fall, where whether that feat does anything at all is dependent on if I have Agile Maneuvers or not. And that means that when I take Agile Maneuvers I need to now note on my sheet that my attack bonus now has a dex component.


So, if we are going to be patching all the stuff that this FAQ broke with more FAQ, wouldn't be simpler to have said that untyped bonuses always stack, and then patched the cases that were broken before? Like saying that "fury's fall does not stack with weapon finesse"?

Also, Mark, question about your hypothetical feat that let you add your charisma as a bunch of different bonuses: What would happen if two of the options were:
- You gain a bonus equal to your strength bonus to AC
- You gain a bonus equal to your Wisdom bonus to AC

Would taking both of those options let you have both your Strength and your Wisdom, because both of those are different sources, or is the feat also a source?


Richard Torruellas wrote:

This is where I as a GM allow the player to throw 30000 shields. And then tell him his max damage does not manage to overcome it's DR. Since he doesn't get the magic bonus to shield damage. Then I immediately ask him one more question.

"How are you still breathing and living? You just went through the motions of throwing and unstrapping 30000 times in 0 seconds. No human body can take that. Even if you want to say it took more than 0 seconds you still have quite some explaining to do. In fact at 6 seconds you are still moving so fast that you have turned yourself into a fine red mist."

No amount of rules whoring will get you out of that and consequently, the pathfinder version of hell since they technically committed suicide. No deity likes followers that commit suicide unless evil. Even then they prefer you kill others in their name rather than yourself. Also you'd be in a form of hell anyways since your god is evil.

Also none of these rules cover retrieving a shield. Ready and searching through a bag are two separate things. Unless there is an item that allows you to pull items out as a free action. Either way he's still red mist. And explaining some things to the gods.

There are no rules for moving too fast in pathfinder. Try again.

Also, with a Clustered Shots and a blink-back belt, we can make attacks with our shield at all targets in 5 range increments for ifinite damage.


I've always wanted to build Master Yi from league of legends. His signature move is moving so fast so as to cut four people before they feel the slash. Standard Wushu stuff. You can do it with the magus and dimensional agility line of feats, but that comes online way to late and I play games that are pre level 10. Also Master Yi does not use shocking grasp :p and he wields a two-handed sword.


An example of how more options can decrease diversity:

Say I add a feat that says: your ranged hits automatically threaten criticals. Ranged characters are already strong, but at this point there is no reason to play any melee damage dealer. Diversity is lost.

On the other hand it is not the case that there is one optimal build. Since your goal is 'defeat the monsters' not 'max dpr' you can for example, buff allies or debuff enemies or controll the battlefield, or be really good against undead, etc...


From my reading of the spell, you can't place it in a 10ft hallway. The sloped edges are part of the pit, and must be placed on a valid surface. This makes the spell a little tricky in dungeons.


You could always have a nice man arrive from Brevoy and explain to them that using weapons of mass destruction on populated areas is considered a war-crime.


@diego.

The rules assume the gm audits. Otherwise, it makes no sense to care about wbl at all. You drop loot that the encounters say and that's it.

There is especially no reason to value items as full price or half price depending on who is using them, unless you audit wbl and change loot drops.


Lets step back a moment. Do you really need strong-jaw specifically, or are you just trying to beef-up your ac a bit? Whats wrong with a flaming aomf? It boosts damage and saves headaches... items that directly boost attack damage should be priced as +s anyway, so if you absolutely needed strong jaw, id price as a +2 or +3 weapon enchantment.


In my mind, crafting is not supposed to give you half price anything. Its about customization. You find a +1 human bane sword, you sell it for half price and make a +1 undead bane sword. Net gain is 0.

Without the feat, you sell the sword for half price, and then wait for the dm to increase loot drops to bring you up to appropriate wealth :p Maybe you find a +2 sword later, but the correct bane was useful right *now* so the feat is not wasted.


I've been thinking about this on and off for a while. Bows are sort of the TWF option of the ranged world. They attack lots and get value from flat damage adds.

What if we made the crossbow the two-handed weapon of the ranged world? So forget about multiple attacks. A crossbow expert gets 1.5x deadly-aim bonus, and 1.5x stat modifier to damage rolls. Rapid-reload does not affect crossbows. Finally, have the multiplier scale with your bab, so it replaces iterative attacks.

Since strength does not make sense for crossbow damage use wisdom bonus for the bonus damage, to represent greater aim.

Since you are not making iterative attacks, you can't fairly have the same maximum damage as the bowman, so I am thinking that high-level crossbow feats should let you apply status effects of some kind.

I would need to run the numbers os it works out corretly, but this sort of what I am thinking of:

[Deadly aim]
Change to give +3 damage for each -1 taken when using crossbows.

[Crossbow Savant]
Requires: Point Blank Shot, Martial Weapon Proficiency (crossbow)
When making a single crossbow attack as a standard action, full round action, or AoO you add 1.5 your wisdom bonus to your damage roll. At each 5 points of BaB beyond 1, the bonus damage from this feat increases by 0.5.


The shadow plane is also undead-themed. You can give you shafowflame elementals ability damage, a fear aura or Create Spawn :D


Just use your standard issue 11 foot pole to propell yourself, like a gondola.


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My favorite denizen of magical ruins is the living spell from 3.5. Basically it was a spell given life by a magic accident. It was represented by an ooze that casts the spell on anything it hits or engulfs. My favorite was a living darkness that affects every object it touches with that spell. Scary if the PCs don't have the darkvision.

It also got my pcs to say "I shoot the darkness" in full seriousness :D

Another idea: living grease and some tiny flying animated objects. The grease will make it hard to navigate as it greases the floor, and makes pcs drop weapons while the flying objects will harass them. Incidentally, being affected by the g r ease will make it really easy to escape from its engulf attack, so the encounter should not be super deadly but amusing.


Looks pretty balanced. A little on the weak side, but that's mostly 'cause I don't like hatred and defensive training. I feel it is often too narrow. On the other hand, in a campaign centered around gnolls, that +4 ac is huge.

Id give them something else flavourful instead of defensive training. Maybe an ac bonus when adjacent to multiple foes. Or a spell like ability to shape metal if you want to reference Mirrodin. I think that's where ajani is originally from.


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What have I done? I cat bear to look.


I've been looking at the various bears in the bestiary, and it looks like they are uniformly inferior to equal CR cats. compare the Grizzly bear (A cr 5 bear) to a Tiger a CR 4 cat. The cat has better ability scores, more attacks, pounce, and more strength. To add insult to injury, the cat has more hit dice, so the bear does not even really win out with his higher Con.

I smell a cat-spiracy. Paizo, isn't it time to throw off your cuddly overlords?


A longer cast time only hurts low level casters, since high level casters have shorter combats and better spells, like greater invisibility. And low level casters are actually weaker than martials...

Also, by "full round cast time" do you mean "1 round" like summon monster?


Err, that's what I meant. By"call it a day" I meant "be done with it" :p


Dominate already lasts days per level. Nothing stops you from commanding the target to fail its save and re-dominating it. Give it +1 level and call it a day.


Lord Twig wrote:


The helm inflicting pain and "destroying the person's self" are house rules. No where in the description of the item does it say that it causes either of those things. Making those changes could certainly change the morality of using the helm.

** spoiler omitted **...

Not a house rule, but an extrapolation of existing rules. My thinking goes like this:

1) Alignment is central to who you are.
2) Alignment determines whether I kiss the baby or eat the baby.
3) From my moral philosophy, I see a person's "self" as the sum of his actions and choices up to that point.
4) If a hat makes me into a person who would have made none of the choices that make me me in what sense am I still the same person?


Higher level creatures also have more abilities. Compare the stat block of a goblin to that of a Balor...

The PC's skill ranks go up at about 1 rank per CR, but the number of abilities goes up as well. So is I rolled at DC+5, and you told me:
0) this creature is a Demon.
1) "This creature has telepathy out to 100 ft."
2) "This creature has spell resistance."

I'd be pretty upset.

Btw, guess that monster.


P.S. Take a look at the Medium and Large spiders in the bestiary.


The poison DC is a little high for CR 4, as it also staggers.

The medium spider has too much strength and con, and the large one too little.

Usually, going from medium to large gives you +8 str, +4 con and -2 dex.

Check out the monster building guide: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/monster-creation


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well, this one whispers encouragingly. It says right there :p


Keep in mind, high level creatures have higher DCs because of increased CR. They also have more abilities. If you only dole out information in tiny bits, like "it has spell resistance" then higher level characters actually get worse at identifying creatures...

I usually figure that if you beat the DC by 15, you should no everything. So I divide the monster's abilities into 3-4 groups (defense, offense, special abilities, More special abilities) and let the PCs choose a group.

In the case of multiple knowledge checks, I use the highest roll, and let each player beyond the first that makes the base check to get one more question.


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Carnal acts with other mortals... It's a voyeur.


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As far as I understand PF cosmology, Good and Evil are not value judgments. Good is not "cosmically right" because the Evil gods/forces are just as strong. They have a divine plan just like the forces of Good. Good and Evil are just teams, like Red and Blue.

Evil people are not lost sheep in need of guidance. They are, (some of them) rational people who have chosen to play for team Evil. Just like strong good souls can escape oblivion and retain their memories when they become Archons, mighty evil souls can become Devils if their weight of evil is strong enough.

From a cosmic balance point of view, Helm-ing a villain is a good act, while helm-ing a hero is an Evil act. However, I feel that doing so is morally wrong.

The helm is a sort of nuclear option in the war of good and evil. Most sentients are terrified of being utterly destroyed and replaced with and Anti-you. This interferes with the natural flow of souls into the afterlife. Just like even most evil outsiders don't like Daemons for destroying souls, I feel most forces of Good and Evil would be opposed to the use of helms in this way. This is because everyone knows that if one side starts using them, so will the other side. And then no one wins.

This could lead to an interesting campaign where the resident paladin may be forced to team up with a devil to stop some mortal from Helm-ing other mortals.

In summary: join team Evil. We have dental.


@jiggy. That encounter works, but its sort-of meta-gamey. What realistic creature will spend 90% of his wealth on 1 vial of poison and the rest on three bullets...

Though now that I think about it, you need a point-man to threaten the PCs. So how about a mid range necromancer with a bunch of leveled skeleton champions wielding the crossbows?


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I really hate the troop rules. If I am a dragon and those Crossbowmen need a 20 + 20 to hit me, then 10 of them suddenly doing 10d10 damage just because they are shooting together is stupid.

Real swarms contain thousands of creatures and do d6 damage. Not 1000d4. If you gather together 400 crossbowmen, then they can do d10 damage to the dragon.


If you ready an action, your initiative resets to just before the event that triggered the action. No double shots for you.

The answer to stronger PCs is just more crossbows. Throw in some difficult terrain and put the marksmen at 100 ft. It will take your PCs some time to cross that terrain.

Example:

16 Warrior 1 crossbowmen /w heavy crossbows. Feat is rapid-reload, and 14 dex. at 30 ft per round, in difficult terrain, it will take the PCs 4 rounds to get to the marksmen. Put the marksmen in a 100ft radius half-circle with the PCs in the middle. Thats 64 shots before they even get into melee.

If your bowmen start either hidden or in darkness, then they get to shoot at flat-footed AC for a little bit. Thats plenty of time to pick off a spell-caster or scout.

All this is about CR 7 or 8, so its a perfect mid-range encounter for a party of level 5 or 6 characters.

Last session our DM sent a party of goblins to ambush us at night with short-bows. They could see in the dark, and could use trees to hit and run. It was scary! Remember, if you have cover, you don't provoke for leaving a threated square.


He performs the ritual, but since he lacks the moral base needed to be a demon, he becomes an Elder Thing. An aberration akin to the Great Old Ones, though less powerful. Its nature and reasons are utterly incomprehensible to mere mortals.


I run incorporeal touches as reaching into your heart and trying to stop it by the application of negative energy. No foot tickle for you!


For the witch and giant: If the witch readies an action to sleep when the giant charges, then the fighter is already in 5ft + CGD range.

On the other hand, a level 3 cleric can do the same thing. So what the hex does is move your party's chance-for-a-miracle level 2 levels earlier...


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A level 3 cleric can drop hold person on that same giant. Except he can do so at three times the range and can try again of he fails.


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Or the giant hurls a rock from almost half a kilometer away and the witch goes smush... or the giant charges from 80 ft, which is out of hex range.


As a rule of thumb, +1 to hit, is worth about 5% of your average damage in dpr. +1 damage is worth an amount of dpr equal to your chance to hit. This does not take criticals into account.


@Obscurons

Do obscurons reflect from objects? They probably should. If an obsucron strikes an atom at rest, then that atom's electrons will need to jump back up to rest??? Go go Arcane Physics!

So If you are outside the area, the obscurons that are coming out of the area will hit your eyes and make the area look inky-black.

Also dark-rainbows are totally metal.


Why is haste a level 4 spell for bloodragers? Everyone and their grandmother gets it at level 5 (4 for summoners...) but the poor 'rager needs to wait until level 13?


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After an initial read, the warpriest looks super starved for swift actions. From class abilities alone, he can use swift actions to:

1) Enhance his weapon
2) Enhance his armor
3) Cast buffs
4) Heal himself

There is no way to do all that in one combat.

More-so, there is a ton of overlap. You can use spells to increase, attack, weapon damage and healing...

I feel that it would be better to have a single (large?) pool of points that would fule all of these abilities.

Also, enhance weapon and armor should probobly be actavaitable all at once. Maybe at a higher level?

Channel looks out of place. Fervor is just too valuable to spend on healing. You could cast 2 swift action spells for that price...

Edit: I am loving the swift spell ability. Its super cool!


As a general rule, a trivial skill check should not negate an entire school of magic.


Don't try to focus on the scarce food/water part. PF is not really set up to deal with such mundane problems in an interesting way past level 3.

Mythic characters can have mythic problems: Rampaging creatures of legend. Weird undead plagues etc.

I think the key theme of post-apocalyptic stories is rebuilding. Maybe once they gain their first mythic rank, they start accumulating the fragments of broken civilizations. At first, they have a small group they have to protect and provide for. Eventually it will grow to a thriving city and then a nation. An oasis among the wreckage.

Providing food and water for 4 Spec. Ops. guys in the forest: easy.
Providing food and water for a thousand women, children and elderly with no real farmland in sight: hard.

If you want their kingdom to live through the ages, and you want to use King-maker rules, I suggest you increase the timescale.


Ask for a knowledge: local check to notice that the 'humans' have slightly off proportions or something like that.


Erik von Oseff wrote:
Knight Magenta wrote:
That seems really strong. Isnt this stealing the wizard's versatility?

It costs a wizard spell lvl(squared)x10gp to permanently add a spell to their book.

It would costs the sorcerer spell lvl(squared)x1500gp to have the ability to have (1) spell added to their list of spells known.
While taking up a ring slot and limited to the matching level or lower which maxes out at 4.

So no, I don't think it is unbalancing.

that's not quite it. The sorcerer can change the spell in the ring. So by buying a spellbook, and a ring the sorcerer gains access to *all* utility spells of a given level for a partly level squared x 1500gp.


That seems really strong. Isnt this stealing the wizard's versatility?


Ring of Spell Knowledge mentions 'written' spells. Can a sorcerer use a spellbook to teach the ring? Can a sorcerer write his own spellbook?


Mojorat wrote:

Why would his Dm need to be 'nice' to let him stop shooting in the middle of doubleshot?

I think that's questionable. You are firing both barrels with a single pull of the trigger. How could you stop if one of them misfired?


How are you dealing with misfires? With cartrages you misfire on a 1-4. With 6 attacks per round, that gives you a misfire chance of 73% per full attack. (And this is assuming that your DM is nice and lets you stop shooting in the middle of a double shot). You probobly want to trade one of those pluses for a luck enchantment. That way at least you will be able to burn grit to not blow your gun up.


Fun fact: If you get your shadow a +1 conductive ghost-touch weapon. Then you will be able to get your iterative attacks, your strength damage, and a chunk of regular damage :D.


To be fair, your flat charisma modifier is used to determine your leadership score.

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