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Some of my favourite favourites:

Tiny Coffee Golem:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Saint Caleth wrote:
In Bhutanese art, a flaming penis is a sign of good luck.
In real life it's a sign of very very bad luck.

meatrace:
meatrace wrote:
My favorite misspelling is Monster Manuel. I want to meet THAT guy.

Tirq:
Tirq wrote:

Usually, I'm an adventurer. I traditionally plunder the loot, kill the bandits, and buy the fancy stuff with the spoils. Unfortunately, do to the recession, I'm the guy who does the banditry. Not my finest moments. I barely had enough to buy my Longsword, let alone armor. What about my family? I have to feed them as well!

Now, picture this, I'm sitting in a cavern, chilling with my buddies, counting some money that we recently "Obtained" from some rich "Donors" when suddenly this group of people show up. Now, it could be anyone, but nooooo it's a freak show! I mean, since when do Dwarves, Elves, Orcs, and Humans even get along?! I'm willing to bet at least half of them were "Hidden Nobility" or "Destined for Greatness" or even "Experts in their Field." How come nobody ever comes into our hideouts just to say "Hey, Tirq, how's it been?" It's always "Die you bandit scum!"

Monsters aren't the only ones with problems... *sniff*


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TriOmegaZero wrote:


Liz Courts wrote:
Triphoppenskip wrote:
But...but... without a specific rule telling me to not be a jerk I won't know not to be a jerk.
ಠ_ಠ

Note how you can make Liz extra-annoyed if you pass the pointer over her face.


Empanadas. Lots and lots of empanadas.


Before they had their first contact with Europeans in the XVIII century, the Rapa Nui of Easter Island though they were the only people in the entire world, after being completely isolated from everyone else for almost 1,000 years.


Fancy Staircase Simulator is getting a sequel?

YES


Did You Know overload.

<Queue russian lady's final scene from Indiana Jones 4>


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thejeff wrote:

OTOH, that very growing productivity, and the resources that drive it, are the root of the problems that we face now. More productivity won't grow us out of climate change or water crises or even Peak (Cheap) Oil, silly as that last might look today.

We might work out a revolutionary new power source that doesn't add carbon to the atmosphere or use up water and use that new source of cheap power to bootstrap past our current limits, but I don't see it yet. And cleaning the atmosphere and the oceans will still be a monumental task, even with near free energy.

I'd say instead that productivity is the solution, rather than the source of the problem. Productivity is not just about the output (ie, how much you produce), but also about the throughput (how many resources you need to produce). It's all about efficiency, which is precisely what we need to face such problems as global warming, water crises, and availability of cheap fuels.

It's is not a new phenomenon. Early in the Industrial Revolution, modernizing european societies were facing a critical depletion of fuel sources, as forests began to disappear, until advances in technology allowed for an efficient and practical mining of mineral coal.

Coal itself started to become a problem in the late XIX century, prompting a quick development of alternatives such as solar power, though the appearance of cheaper and more efficient oil derivatives halted progress in those areas.

None of those scenarios had evident solutions at first; both coal and oil were long known to be useful sources of energy, but we were simply too inefficient at getting them in economically-feasible manners. Both times, it was an increase in productivity that allowed not just to avoid the crisis, but open the gates for even higher increases in life quality.

Now, I'm not saying we should just sit tight and wait for Black Mesa to create a new wonder fuel made out of endless amounts of YouTube comment bile, but we need to keep in mind that increased productivity is what is going to get us out of this, and thus focus on efforts to promote that (always, in my opinion, with the ultimate goal of human dignity driving it, however): Know-how, logistics, and R&D. And that basically boils down to education, better distribution of resources, and the promotion of innovation. And so far, we're doing those three things better today than we have done so in quite a while.

So that's what drives me to think we are not living in the End Times.


A hearty Barros Luco (marraqueta bread with churrasco and large amounts of gouda cheese).


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LazarX wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
I see no concrete signs that would indicate this particular era to be any closer to Rule by Biker Gangs
More like Walker Gangs, because when civilization goes, so goes the easy access to gasoline and spare parts.

My extensive and in-depth analysis of the movie Battletruck indicates otherwise. Cars will clearly be powered either by random gas pipes sprouting up in the middle of the desert or by colossal amounts of chicken poop.


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There is no coronation ceremony in Spain. Ever since the XIV century, kings are proclaimed, not crowned. The crown and scepter are still expected to be present, though, sitting on a cushion in front of the new monarchs, like some sort of royal Sorting Hat I suppose.

"You'll be the King of... Panama"
"But Panama has no king!"
"WHO'S THE CROWN HERE?"


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I see no concrete signs that would indicate this particular era to be any closer to Rule by Biker Gangs than any other (asides from the invention of biker gangs, that's it). There's no reason to expect a Malthusian Catastrophe any time soon, while political stability is at an all-time high.

Even though past information cannot be used to predict the future, there is a reason every demographic collapse proclaimed in the last three centuries has been wrong: Per capita productivity as a result of continous innovation has been increasing at a regular rate since the early stages of the Industrial Revolution (for comparison, it is estimated average per capita productivity changed almost nothing in the preceeding three-thousand years), which has allowed human population to become incredibly resilient and adaptative to changes in resource availability.

It is not so much about absent-minded optimism in technomagic as it is the unreliable nature of most apocalyptic predictions, which rarely factor growing productivity properly (which is reasonable, though, as most attempts to actually predict said growing productivity tend to be mistaken. Flying cars, man, flying cars).

Could The Humongous be just around the corner? Aye, that's a possibility. But I don't think the current world-wide situation could be interpreted to make such scenario a realistic choice. Won't be betting the lottery on that, for certain.


The ventilated non-squished well-being of my jimmies objects to the attempted polemization of having a natural inclination to keep them that way.

I see it as simply a matter of bad manners. No sexism here.


What do you know: It was actually hot dogs.

Lunch for today: Fried cauliflower in mozzarella cream with chicken on orange sauce. Finally learned how to make proper orange sauce, not too sticky, not too runny.

Dinner: Planescape with Pathfinder sauce. I mean, most likely pizza or cheeseburgers, depending on what the group's craving.


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Had to skip lunch due to work.

Dinner will be at a friend's house for his birthday.

Email invitation specified "Be prepared to eat more hot dogs than it should be allowed".

So probably pizza.


In the family's lake house, underneath the weeping willow where I've spent every single summer reading since I've known how to hold a book, surrounded by family. Cause of death could be something like an aneurysm (several of those on my mother's side) that kills you quickly, so my grandchildren just see they gramp falling asleep. 85-95 year range seems nice.

What happens after that is God's to decide.


I just came back to WoW last week after a pretty long pause. Very happy so far with Warlords of Draenor.

I have most of my character in Moon Guard, but I'll try to check on you guys to say hello!


BigNorseWolf wrote:
After decades of dormancy, violent sports will make a comeback due to advances in medical technology making injuries like concussions and severed spines no more problematic than a broken arm is today.

I agree with this. And would absolutely watch them.


Making some sandwiches out of the white-wine pork I made yesterday.


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-Spend a beautiful weekend with the family, great weather and great food, remembering those we've lost with fondness
-Get back to town, have a good day at the office, get some of my favourite icecream on my way home
-Make preparations for a pleasant afternoon of catching up with Downton Abbey. What is that good old Carson up to these days?
-Check the Paizo forums
-First thing I see involves Yellowdingo getting naked in public

Great, just great.


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It took me a while, but I finally managed to put enough attention into a single piece of writing to publish my first RPG supplement, Ottolf's Handy Manual of Everyday Magic.

I also keep a blog about RPG stuff where I try to sound smarter than I really am, but I'm afraid it's entirely in Castilian.


Hey Luthorne!

Spoiler:
Come to think of it now, it might sound a bit reduntant, aye. The original intent was to specify you can't use something currently attached to a living creature as an ingredient, nor an entire living creature (particularly tiny creatures, such as a fairy).

Now, dead tiny creatures or undead ones are fair game for turning them into liquor!


Thank you very much for all your help in putting this up, Liz!

-Cristián


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From the horrible/fantastic movie that was Street Fighter:

Chun Li: You and your bullies were driven back by farmers with pitchforks! My father saved his village at the cost of his own life. You had him shot as you ran away! A hero... at a thousand paces.
Mr Bison: I'm sorry. I don't remember any of it.
Chun Li: You don't remember?
Mr Bison: For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.


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KahnyaGnorc wrote:
"Remember me, Eddie? When I killed your brother, I...talked...just...like...this!"

Oh man. I can still hear that voice. It was bone-chilling then and it is still bone-chilling now.


Also from The Right Ordinary:

Horatio Jackson: We've discussed it. *You* surrender.
Sultan: But we're winning!
Horatio Jackson: *We* surrendered last time! Now, it's *your* turn.
Sultan: What about the virgins?
Horatio Jackson: Oh, please forget about the virgins. We're fresh out of virgins!


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Spoken by The Right Ordinary Horatio Jackson, from The Adventures of Baron Munchhausen:

Horatio Jackson: Ah, the officer who risked his life by singlehandedly destroying...
Functionary: [whispering in his ear] Six.
Horatio Jackson: *Six* enemy cannon and rescuing...
Functionary: Ten.
Horatio Jackson: Ten of our men held captive by The Turk.
Heroic Officer: Yes, sir.
Horatio Jackson: The officer about whom we've heard so much.
Heroic Officer: I suppose so, sir.
Horatio Jackson: Always taking risks far beyond the call of duty.
Heroic Officer: I only did my best, sir.
Horatio Jackson: Have him executed at once.
Soldier: Yes, sir. Come along.
Horatio Jackson: This sort of behaviour is demoralizing for the ordinary soldiers and citizens who are trying to lead normal, simple, unexceptional lives. I think things are difficult enough as it is without these emotional people rocking the boat.


Currently reading:

"Why Nations Fail" - Daron Acemoglu and James Robinson


When I participated as a questioner of the 2002 census in my country (ie, the guy who has to spend all day asking random people about how many TVs do they have), we were told it is better to simply ask what the person in question considers to be his gender identity and risk offending someone, than not asking and both risking offending someone and risking entering wrong data.


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The closest thing I've been to a ghostly experience was when my grandmother died a few months ago.

My aunts dressed her and tucked her inside her bed, along with a mortuary cloth surrounding her head, before the people from funerary services got there to take her to the chapel, so that everyone could say goodbye. The whole family had gathered in her home; my dad asked me if I wanted to see grandma for the last time, so I went into her room and leaned forward to kiss her on the forehead.

That's when I felt a huge load around my shoulders and arms, like when someone hugs you strongly, and for a moment I could swear I heard my grandmother saying something (but I couldn't make out what exactly).

Most of myself thinks it was a sudden rush of emotions and maybe my head confusing the sounds coming from other parts of the house, but a part of me still can't shake off the feeling of how impossibly real it all seemed.


Old Mammoth wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:


We Chileans modestly aided the Brits through the war (didn't get directly involved, though. War's not our thing), though we mostly did that because Argentina was on the brink of declaring war on us and we needed to keep them occupied with something else.

I honestly think Argentina would benefit...

Yeah, sure.

Grumble grumble grumble Arica grumble grumble grumble Antofagasta grumble grumble grumble.

:P

That was a 131 years ago and we were pretty much forced into that war (not that we didn't benefit from it, of course).


Pinup Burgers.

No idea what they are, but got invited by a group of friends to a place that serves "Pinup Burgers".

So I guess I'll be eating Pinup Burgers for lunch.


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So, about those ghost stories....


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Never seen a ghost myself, but my family's old hat shop has been claimed to be haunted so many times it's not even funny.

It's a 1850's building (my great grandmother bought it in 1912 when she first arrived from Asturias, and it has been functioning as a hat shop ever since), built over the foundations of a Dominican winery from the early 1600's.

The list of stories is pretty long, but some of my favourites include:

-The Haunted Mirror: There are several old mirrors in the shop, the oldest one having been bought from a wealthy family in the 1920's; the mirror itself was made in Venice in the XVII century. Up until the 1950's, there was an old man who visited the shop almost every day and just sat there looking at the mirror. He said he saw dancers inside the mirror and that he could hear them whispering music. The man simply vanished one day (probably died), but people kept looking at the mirror with a mix of doubt and awe.

-The Mysterious Tunnels: In the late 90's, my grandmother decided to renovate one of the bathrooms in the first floor. However, just when work started, one of the contractors accidentally caused the floor around the toilet to collapse, ending inside a tunnel. It was later discovered the tunnel ran for several blocks, starting underneath the old Dominican church next block. Dozens of bones were found, along with barrels. Apparently, the tunnel was built in the 1600's to move wine in and out of the monastery, and during one of the native attacks on the city several monks were trapped and killed inside. Ever since, people claim to see ghostly monks drinking wine around the shop.

-The Possessed Automaton: In 1915, my great grand-uncle purchased a wondrous mechanical man built in France. He looked like a hotel valet and was a clockwork miracle, being able to gesticulare, move his arms and fingers, etc. He was programmed to knock on the display windows on the front of the shop with a cane, hailing people to come in. People in town were not accustomed to such things back then, and it was so life-like that locals started saying the automaton was visiting them at night. One lady claimed it was possessed, and a priest was even asked to check on it. Though he explained everyone that it was simply an incredible piece of machinery, it did little to calm the most superstitious (it was great for business, though). The automaton has been knocking on that same window for the past 99 years, and the great grandchildren of the first customers still go check him. A couple of years ago, while inspecting some of the old rooms of the third and fourth floor (some of which hand't been opened in half a century), a hidden chest was found underneath a pile of boxes. Inside, my aunts found a smaller version of the automaton, but it was painted completely black. No one knew abou that thing, not even my grandmother, so it's thought it might have been bought alongside with the other in 1915 and left forgotten upstairs. When news of a "dark twin" of the automaton got out, people freaked out and the same stories of a possessed machine resurfaced afer one hundred years.

The family doesn't really like to spread those rumours and my great grandmother usually scolded customers for being so naive as to think any of that was true, but they certainly have helped create an aura of mystery around the business that has perdured through generations.

I love that shop.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:

Sorry chum, but you are naive if you think the Falklands issue in Argentina right now is not about deflecting attention away from the appalling mismanagement by the Kirchner-Fernandez team, which has come to light now that commodity prces have fallen. The invasion in 1982 was exactly the same, and the regime then imploded immediately once they were defeated.

This has very little to do with a long-standing colonial grievance. At the time that the Falklands were being first occupied by Britain, Argentina was a colony of the Spanish Empire. During that time (and after) the incomers of Spanish descent were very happy to "displace" (kill, subjugate) the local native populations in true colonial fashion. Argentina's claim actually dates back to a claim by the Spanish Empire, rather than Argentina itself. So it's something of a joke when the Argentinians refer to the Falkland islanders as "colonialists" when most of the families have been on the...

A lot of the resentment Argentines have toward the whole Falklands thing has to do with national pride. While it is true that whenever something goes amiss the Kirchner-Fernandez dynasty attempt to blame it on someone else, they can take advantage of that precisely because it's still an open wound to many people, regardless of who is actually on the right here.

I personally understand the Falklands should remain British. It's been British territory for hundreds of years, it was defended through an armed conflict, and the local population has time and again chosen to remain British. In the nebulous fields of international law, that's nearly as good as it gets to determine who gets to retain what beyond an actual treaty. We Chileans modestly aided the Brits through the war (didn't get directly involved, though. War's not our thing), though we mostly did that because Argentina was on the brink of declaring war on us and we needed to keep them occupied with something else.

I honestly think Argentina would benefit more if it simply assumed the situation and tried to mend things with the locals. Right now, even though the islands are in front of Argentina, they need to get most of their supplies from Chile, because our transandine neighbours refuse to deal with them. All that does is create further resentment between Falklanders and Argentines, and sovereignty is never going to change hands, so why keep it that way.


The first steam-powered vehicle was built in 1672 by Ferdinand Verbiest, a Jesuit missionary who taught astronomy, mathematics, and engineering to the Chinese Emperor.


Mount Nevermind, from Dragonlance (name given to the place by some Knights of Solamnia who thought the Gnomish name was a bit over the top*).

An entire mountain carved out by insane gnomes who use a complicated system of catapults ("gnomeflingers") to move from floor to floor!

The gnomes thought the Knights of Solamnia, after arriving at their island, wanted to steal the mountain from them, so they created a device to make it invisible. However, it failed, and instead made the whole region smell like rotten eggs.

It's been my favourite fantasy location ever since I first read about it in the early 90's.

Sigil from Planescape is a close second.

Spoiler:
*Full name is "A Great, Huge, Tall Mound Made of Several Different Strata of Rock of Which We Have Identified Granite, Obsidian, Quartz With Traces of Other Rock We Are Still Working On, That Has Its Own Internal Heating System Which We Are Studying In Order to Copy Some Day That Heats Up the Rock to Temperatures That Convert It Into Both Liquid and Gaseous States Which Occasionally Come to the Surface and Flow Down the Side of the Great, Huge Tall Mound..."


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Tacticslion wrote:

:)

"Need" only in the hyperbolic sense, true... but it is a good, humorous show that I, my wife, and most people I know who've seen it thoroughly enjoy.

Community

Pierce Hawthorne is one of the characters. He's a racist old jerk, and most of the time no one likes him, but they're friends so he ends up hanging around anyway.

Seasons 1-3 were fantastic. Partway through Season 4 now and it's... still quite good, but not as fantastic (partially, I think, due to a change of everyone except the actors). I've yet to see Season 5, which saw the return of the people who were out of season 4... and was the last one by NBC (who cancelled it), but Season 6 was picked up by Yahoo! due to fans seeking "Six seasons and a movie"... which is actually pretty impressive.

I would strongly recommend watching it and not basing judgments until you've seen it. It's on DVD (I know, because it's been given to us), and it's probably also available on Hulu or Netflix or somesuch.

Regardless, it's a fine series, and I recommend it.

If you've seen it and just don't care for it: okay, that's fair.
(It's great! Six seasons and a movie!)

Season 5 is fantastic. It even includes a second D&D episode.


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I leave the XP rewards for roleplaying in the hands of the players, not myself.

The system has evolved over the years and taken many forms, but currently it goes as follows:

-At the start of a session, every player gets a number of XP rewards (we call them "tickets") equal to twice the number of players sitting (so if 4 people made it that session, each gets 8 tickets).

-Players can dish out 1 ticket to another player whenever they feel they have roleplayed well enough, as a reward for a clever idea, or when the player does something that greatly improves the game.

-At the end of the session, tickets are tallied and converted to XP. The XP value depends on the number of players and the Average Party Level, recalculated so that the total number of tickets a player can give out equals 10% of the experience needed to get the next level (so in a game with 4 people with 8 tickets and an APL of 3, each ticket would be worth 50 XP, and a character who was awarded 5 tickets would get 250 XP for roleplaying that session).

I've noticed it really makes people more committed to both their characters and to paying attention what everyone else is doing, since being able to give out rewards seems to entice them. It also seems to feel more rewarding to them, since it's their peers the ones who are rewarding them for playing well, rather than the DM. Of course, it also takes some work off my back.


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I am absolutely delighted by how 5e turned out to be. After having abandoned D&D with 4e, it feels great to be able to go back again. I was honestly nervous that I would not like the new system, so I'm deeply relieved it was not the case.

I do have a running Pathfinder campaign set in Planescape that's already a year old and is designed to last at least two more years, so I won't be leaving Pathfinder. But for the time being, I will be using 5e for new campaigns.

Two of my players got their own PHs as well, and they are both pretty thrilled with it, so much that one of them might finally start DMing again after, what, 10 years since his last campaign? It would be nice to be on the other side of the screen for a change, I say.


In order to provide a broader perspective (since it appears most of the discussion is done from the point of view of solely the US reality), here in Chile man-woman average income disparity currently sits at about 18%, up from 13% in 2003 and down from 20% in 2012 (movement consistent with the economic downturn). For self-employed people, it sits at 7.3%.

The biggest disparity happens in mining regions, where it can reach up to 52%, whereas in regions dominated by the service and agriculture industries (almost every other region that doesn't have mining operations) is drops to the 6-15% range. In the most populated region (Metropolitan Region, which accounts for about 40% of the national population), disparity is at 15%.

There are two factors often cited as for why this difference happens:

1.- Mining activities are male-dominated jobs, primarily because very few women apply for them. And since they are the highest-paying non-executive jobs in the country, they tend to skew the average.

2.- Even though about 56% of the jobs created within the last 15 years have been occupied by women and that universities are currently enrolling more female students than male ones (except in the engineering and scientific fields), female workers on average have access to lower-paying job as a result of the lower level of preparation that women born before the 1980's had, which in turn was directly correlated to the predominant role of women in the family.

Interestingly, while inherent factors to the female population do make female workers more risky and expensive (we have mandatory 6-month postnatal paid leaves and any company with 15+ female employees is obligated to have daycare facilities or pay the women to send their children to one), these are factors that do not directly influence wage, but rather the likelihood of getting hired. However, this effect is primarily seen in low-paying jobs (for small companies tend to avoid hiring too many females in order to stay below the 15 margin), so in fact this phenomenon actually increases the average income of the female working population (as most medium-to-large companies pay above minimum wage even for the lowest jobs, and generally have some kind of either union or prestation arrangement to deal with the other requirements of the law).

So while historical female discrimination still has a noticeable effect on the average income of women in Chile (admitedly a small sample, as we're less than 18 million heads), actual discrimination today has very little effect in determining how much a female worker makes (if anything, the discrimination is more prevalent in the very high-paying jobs of traditionally male-dominated CEO positions).


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AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote:


And oh please don't turn this into a debate on modern feminism and whether it's "tainted" or not. Yes, there are feminists out there that do more harm that good (like the stereotypical "man-hating lesbian" that so many think all feminists are) but please don't paint us all with the same brush.

I'm certain that man-haters are a minority within feminist movements. So are woman-haters within gamer culture.

The whole thing that started this thread is, precisely, the prevailing problem of blanketing an entire segment of people with the characteristics of a minority, made all the more hurtful and divisive by the fact it is done by people with a public voice that can influence many.

It's hard to tell what a group really looks like when there's a small core of extremists that, by virtue (or rather by vice) of how noisy they are, can appear to be the majority. The internet further distorts the image, since as a medium it's geared toward showing us what we want to see.

And that's why we need responsible journalists, because those are the people who we should be able to rely on to show us the whole picture.


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Jeff, speaking for myself here, I don't think the existence or prevalence of discrimination based on race, gender, culture or what have you (which in turn gives way to the concept of privilege) is false; we can totally agree it does exist and the horrible things it makes some people do and experience.

What causes irritation and resentment, however, is the shotgun-blast manner in which the term is freely applied to anyone who happens to meet the perceived requeriments for privilege, in contrast to actually being benefited by it. It is a pretty concrete case of correlation vs causality.

It may very well be the case that a white man got a job instead of a black woman because of both skin and gender discrimination, but it may just as well be the case the guy got the job because he was a better candidate. Or, even more so, maybe all other applicants were also white men. Or he was the only applicant. Or the reviewer just found him funnier.

The degree of prevalence of discrimination is measured statistically, which means not every case is necessarily the result of one person benefiting from it while another is negatively affected.

Problem is, it is not unusual (specially not online these days, with the waters as tumultuous as they seem to be) to see someone telling someone else that he has privilege, when in truth what should be said is that he meets the criteria for privilege. However, it is rarely implied that way, instead going for the "If you think you are not benefiting from privilege, then you're wrong, because privilege exists", and not uncommonly growing into an all-out "And if you disagree, well, you're part of the problem". We can see how such a thing can easily get out of hand, even if the person making the accusation was well-meaning.

Maybe the guy saying he hasn't benefited from privilege actually hasn't. Maybe he has and doesn't know it. Whichever the case, "check your privilege" has really gotten to the point of acquiring a discriminatory weight of its own, like Auxomalous points out. It doesn't take more than a few clicks through places like Tumblr to find all manners of examples that really draw into the ridicule.

This doesn't mean there isn't privilege, or that fighting against it is wrong. Not at all. It exists, it's bad, and it should totally be fought. I'm pretty certain that a big chunk of the more virulent "check your privileges" crowd (the one that goes all the way into claiming all men should be castrated to make us less rape-prone or declare that white guys have no right to participate in gender discussions) is just co-opting the cause to express their own hate, as hate is quite good at using nice things and ideals to hide itself.

And it's precisely because of that that one cannot just dismiss those who feel bothered by claims of privilege as merely mistaken (or outright racist/sexist/whateverist) people, because the term has started to become poisonous to some, even if it is being used with no ill-will by the majority.

Internet has a way to magnify these things and exacerbate the negative qualities, which makes the bad apples misusing the privilege tag look more like bad watermellons. But that still can change the perceived value and implications of a tag, which I believe is what happening to terms like privilege and rape-culture, to the point they start to feel like just another type of discrimination.


Lemmy wrote:


High five! I visited Chile a few times! Love your country! I actually lived there for a while, although I wouldn't be able to remember anything from that time, since that happened when I was 2~3 years old and only for a few months (I think... I don't remember much of the stories that my father told me) :P.

Ooh, that means you have some Chilean in you, which makes us practically brothers ("Ya veras como quieren en Chile al amigo cuando es extranjero" and all that).

I've had the pleasure of visiting your lovely country several times (I sell olive oils to some guys in Rio and Sao Paulo) and man do I love it, from your rodizios to your garotas to your moquecas do camarao! It is almost enough to forgive you for all the times you've beat us in football.

Almost.


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Lemmy wrote:
And I was born and raised in Brazil, meaning I'm Latin too.

Woo! South America in da house <Chilean-Brazilian highfive>

Lemmy wrote:
Maybe I'm an odd case, but as far as I know, no one ever harmed me because of my nationality (although I did hear some funny observations like "You're Brazilian? I didn't know there were white people in Brazil!" and "But I thought all Brazilians were Mexican!"... Yeah, someone actually thought "Mexican" was a race!), neither in the US nor in England (where my sister lives, so I visit the country once in a while). I've been called "cracker" on a few occasions, though.

It's like the time we had a group of girls from the US and Canada for a university exchange here in Chile tell us in frank surprise "It SNOWS here? But this is South America!".

They honestly thought everything south of Texas was a different variation of Mexico.

They were pretty nice people, though.


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Interesting fact: As a native Castilian speaker, for many years I though "Bigotry" was the act of growing and grooming moustaches ("bigotes").


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That's a very interesting article, Necromancer.

I agree with several of Mancil's statements, particularly in regards to the disconnect.

Another thing I perceive might be a source of the sometimes irrational attitude of some journalists might be the way social sites work these days: You are more likely to be exposed to positive input regarding your ideas than negative input, since social sites works more on the basis of likes/retweet/share than anything else. Thus, agreement is magnified and dissent tends to fall on the backburner.

Since journalism sort of depends on you generating some clout, expanding that positive feedback network becomes important, making disent further alienating. More people agreeing with you = more likes/shares/exposition = more people following you = more people agreeing with you.

This, I think, can easily create a bubble in which positive feedback far outweight criticism. And while criticism can sometimes mean just bad mouthing, it is also the source of debate, contrast of opinions and, more than anything, middle grounds.

So perhaps that would explain why some journalist declare gamers are a bunch of misongynists: The critics that they see in their immediate social network might appear to be hostile because they stand our as a sore spot in an otherwise harmonious landscape of agreement.

When 9 out of 10 people you interact with share the same opinion as you, it is not unusual to see that 1 lonely opponent as mistaken. There's a sense of reinforcement of value when more people support something we like, and dissenting views might get demonized as a result. And from there to assuming everyone who disagrees with you is part of the same mistaken minority there's not a very long trek.

Doesn't mean I like that they do it, but makes it more understandable as to why it might be happening.


mechaPoet wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:

Albatoonoe, I understand that. I also agree it is not good for nerds to block other people from entering (on one hand, no one "owns" the nerdom and, second, it interferes with the plans to take over the world). But there's a difference between wrong and nonsense, because while the former implies a mistaken attitude, the latter indicates the person is acting without a basis. And I think that some of those who react that way do actually have a basis, even if they are using it the wrong way.

While you choose to be a gamer, I think there's also a series of components in the gamer identity that might be beyond immediate control: A person might know he loves something, but not necessarily why he loves it. Identity is not just one specific thing, but a combination of a whole pile of stuff.

While I'm not a determinist (I'm Catholic, after all), I do think there are factors in our life that shape who we are and that we cannot control. A guy who gets bullied for playing Pokemon might develop into a close-circle gamer as a result, and even if we say he can put games down at his own choice, his past experiences have already influenced a big part of his identity.

So when a nerd guy lashes at a nerd girl as previously discussed, while we can identify it as a negative behaviour, we cannot outright say the guy is being completely irrational. He might have concrete reasons to be resentful, even if the person he's being resentful against has done nothing to deserve it.

And that's understandable, to an extent.

But the degree to which women are constantly forced to "prove" their nerd-cred to these defensive men to be allowed to participate is far greater than what these men require of other men. Hence the annoying concept of the "fake geek girl," where a woman's interest in nerd-things is questioned and mocked instead of welcomed or assumed.

Speaking just from my personal experience, it would seem the defensiveness works the same way regardless of gender. As Auxomalous mentioned, some people are really protective about their "Got here first" priviledge.

It is specially evident with the whole trend of bashing hipsters. Nerds in particular can be specially venomous toward those people, because they perceive them as unjustly utilizing what's theirs. Doesn't matter if the hipster in question is male or female.

Note that I think this is different from plain misongynist attitudes, since the motivations appear to be very different.


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Ashiel wrote:

As a card-carrying nerd, I've never wanted anything but to include more people in my nerd-dom. My usual D&D group when I was a teenager consisted of me, my sister, and three of our girlfriends. I've never met a nerd that didn't want to play with more people.

Makes me wonder how much the world changes in a span of a few state borders.

In my experience (for context, I'm from Chile), the large, large majority of nerds just want to share their hobby with as many people as possible. And of course we do; most of this stuff requires other people to work!

It's why the whole backlash against GamerGate bothers me so much: I can understand people getting mad at those few that act as twitter thugs, but not being able to really take a step back and say "Hey, guys, really, this isn't the pandemic some people are making it out to be" is infuriating, and a good bit insulting. Getting told that my opinion is somehow less important simply because of the colour of my skin and the number of testicles between my legs, conflated with my love for building inefficient transit systems in SimCity, all because it somehow makes me part of the perceived problem... that hurts, really.

I support the aspect of GamerGate that accuses the game journalism/media critic of incestuous relationships with those it is supposed to report about and for the now patent concerted effort to create an artificial label out of an identity so many of us share, that of a gamer. That doesn't mean I am somehow against the other issues some of those reporters might defend, because one thing and the other are not in any way related beyond the fact they are spoused by the same person.

To fulfill Godwin's Law here, just because Hitler and I like dogs doesn't mean I support the Nazis.

Edit: Oh shi-! Thanks, Rynjin.


Albatoonoe, I understand that. I also agree it is not good for nerds to block other people from entering (on one hand, no one "owns" the nerdom and, second, it interferes with the plans to take over the world). But there's a difference between wrong and nonsense, because while the former implies a mistaken attitude, the latter indicates the person is acting without a basis. And I think that some of those who react that way do actually have a basis, even if they are using it the wrong way.

While you choose to be a gamer, I think there's also a series of components in the gamer identity that might be beyond immediate control: A person might know he loves something, but not necessarily why he loves it. Identity is not just one specific thing, but a combination of a whole pile of stuff.

While I'm not a determinist (I'm Catholic, after all), I do think there are factors in our life that shape who we are and that we cannot control. A guy who gets bullied for playing Pokemon might develop into a close-circle gamer as a result, and even if we say he can put games down at his own choice, his past experiences have already influenced a big part of his identity.

So when a nerd guy lashes at a nerd girl as previously discussed, while we can identify it as a negative behaviour, we cannot outright say the guy is being completely irrational. He might have concrete reasons to be resentful, even if the person he's being resentful against has done nothing to deserve it.

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