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Shadow Lodge

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Elamdri wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
*Facepalm* There is NOTHING inherently evil about the use of poison. That stupid ruling should be dead and gone by now.
Poisoning inflicts additional suffering on an opponent beyond merely attacking them and is often applied in deceitful or underhanded way. It's most certainly NOT a good act.

Heh, that's a pretty tenuous line there. First, the 'additional' suffering part is kind of weird: so, as I'm killing you, it's only really evil if I cause you "additional suffering"? Seems bizarre, barring extreme cases (outright torture). If anything, many arcane spells can be claimed to cause 'additional suffering' beyond 'merely attacking' your foes (which I take to mean 'cause physical damage in some morally-permissible way'): Feeblemind, Baleful Polymorph, Imprisonment/Maze, maybe even Dominate Person (completely suppressing/overpowering a person's will could cause some distress/suffering, esp. if you can just 'merely attack' them.) Yet none of these spells have the Evil descriptor, nor are considered evil, despite matching your criteria.

The deceitful/underhanded part is also weird: are Still + Silent spells deceitful or underhanded? Why not? They seem pretty sneaky to me.

In short, it's one thing to claim poisons are dishonorable (thereby placing their use in the Law/Chaos axis); it's another to claim they're evil (i.e., in the Good/Evil axis). The former seems more reasonable, the latter requires ad hoc contortions to PF's moral guidelines.

Shadow Lodge

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Via BAB, Flurry/TWF

(Sorry for the first, super-noob question, but I'm playing my first combat class next week, and I'm not sure how to interpret the rules on the matter.)

  • When you have multiple attacks, do you make one attack roll, combine with the attack bonuses, and check which ones hit; or do you make one roll per attack?
  • When deflecting an attack via Crane Style, does it deflect only the first attack, even if the other would have hit?
  • When using Snake Style Sense Motive ability, does the AC apply only to the first attack, or all in the sequence?

    Thanks!