The issue with the bard isn't as bad as I made it sound. It's is actually my most likely option at the moment.
I think I still want to run the spy just a bit more. The concept is a challenge but I really like that challenge so I think I will go with the spy.
And if the spy dies I will switch to the bard.
The following where ideas I had
First on my list is a Master of diguise. A rogue concept that focuses more on skill use to resolve problems. My favorite concept because of how unorthodox it is in regards to gaming. A useless character in combat though. The design has little to no combat capability and is better suited to sabotage and stealth based missions. This character also suffers a hit to HP. I have built it with a high escape capability and ease of getting around. The hope was to take it to Master Spy prestige class. The GM pointed out that combat will happen a bit and how I would want to run this character would put me into several solo missions and I get the impression that combat seems to be the only way we get to resolve stuff in this campaign so the build won't work here. Would've loved to give it a try though.
Another build is a bard archer that would eventually become an arcane archer. This character is female and a nobleman as well. She would be good support and would have a lot of role play possibility. The thing is I am usually hesitant to run females in MMO style games. Had an incident a few years back that has kind of made the whole thing more than a bit uncomfortable. Still pondering weather or not to give it another try though.
Another build/s are a variety of sorcerers. I don't like witches, wizards, or summoners and the party seems to be lacking a arcane caster. Though the concept of a sorcerer is something new to me and kind of neat, I am still not totally fond of magic users in general and feel they take a lot away from the game. I much prefer mundane games as opposed to magic based games. More challenging and more immersive. But that is just me.
I have a gunslinger build I REALLY wanted to use somewhere but have yet to find a GM who would allow it. Sadness but it cannot be helped. Since gunslingers are REALLY good at making their own weapons, gun rarity would not be an issue but in the end it comes down to flavor. Our GM has decided not to allow them and therefore I need to shelf the idea.
Then we have other builds,
I have a few fighters mostly but we already have one of those so it doesn't make sense to double up. Plus that's my usual fall back and I get tired of running the same way all the time.
I have more than a few monk characters but they are mostly repeating Kenji and that is just a bit tasteless.
Then there are Cavaliers.......yeah not gonna happen. No good use for them in a city where we have to hide all the time and crawl through sewers
Looked into the use of other Divine classes but again that goes back to my dislike of using too much magic in a game. Not to mention I suck and making magic based characters so really, any form of spellcaster is not high on my list of desired build.
So this is my dilemma. I am interested in hearing any advice you may have.
Hey just wanted to update you all to let you know I am still present. Only, I am having a REAL hard time finding a concept I want to play for this game. I keep throwing out every build I come up with. This is harder than I thought it would be.
I accept Kenji's fate. I am going to miss Janiven. The romance we had was fun while it lasted. Wish I had the chance to follow it through. Wonder if she would find my new character just as attractive. Or perhaps it was merely the accent. Guess we will see.
I dunno, I invested a lot in Kenji and now it's all gone. Honestly this is the first time I have had a character die since starting pathfinder. Mostly due to the fact that any game I have played in usually dies before it gets anywhere.
Not even sure what I would build for this campaign now. I have to fill out a lot of stuff to invest a new character.
If this were Jade Regent, Serpent Skull, or Legacy of Fire, I'd have something easy but this is a hard one to build for. Not much good at Urban setting games.
I'll give it some thought but don't expect anything from me soon.
Lol wow yeah I am good and dead. Wow and I didn't die doing something that stupid. I avoided the AoO and simply got slaughtered for it. Well at least I can say I didn't die being a dumbass. Could have been me, Duncan or John who took those hits. I guess it was I who drew the short straw.
Well it was fun. I make a personal rule never to introduce new characters into a game in progress so I will accept my death and look for a new campaign. Too bad it had to end this way. Just when I was starting to get into the groove of this character. Good luck with the rest of the campaign. Baldwin, I may have died but you are a great story teller and GM all the same.
I will move in and if possible I will attempt to move to C4 and get into flank with Duncan.
If I cannot attack I will still try to position myself flanking with Duncan.
Judging from the map it appears I am also present.
Sorry for my lack of posting. Exhaustion has been beating me up most of the week. Seems I am not the only one not posting much. Is it really only down to GM and Andrea?
oh man I am soooooo dang tired right now. I have been really tired this past week. I will try and post in the afternoon tomorrow.....if I even have the stamina to catch up......ugh it took me more than twenty minutes to even make this post. Augh! Soooo tired.......*zzzzzzz*
I remain quiet taking in the events as they unfold. I watch in silence and Duncan and Andrea have a conflict of beliefs. When they parts ways I look to Janiven. "I neber understood desire to worship gods. Far's I can teru, dey no different dan mortas cept day are more powerfu. In da end eben da gods must bend a knee to de invisibu hands of fate. Dat is da onry tru deity in my rife."
I ponder for a minute. "Peopo present were abu to identify brewers body yesterday. News wud hab reached da tabern by now. Da fact barkeep feign ignorance is suspicious. I tink he hab somesing ta do wit it. Jest a tought."
Janiven leaves and I am still dumbfounded by this new line of logic. A girl actually likes me. I take what I have been given and let the thought ease my spirit as I retire for the evening.
I look quite astonished at Janiven's words. I look as though what she is saying is news to me. I take a moment to clear my thoughts and speak carefully trying hard to make sure I know what I am saying. "I did not know that others would be effected by my choice. My death should have been my own punishment for failure. I went alone so no one else would pay for my curiosity. If I had died I was willing to accept it. I wanted to know more about these monsters and I did not want to endanger more than myself should they be stronger than me, Duncan, and John combined. I will not defend my current actions, but I will not regret them either. However, I now understand how you feel. So, out of respect, and....love, for you, as well as, uh, I guess the benefit of the others, I will not do that again. I am sorry. I really tought what I was doing was helping and that no one would truly miss me. Back home and in my journeys, I trusted fate and nothing else. I see now there is more to trust than the force guiding me. I am sorry." I step back. I think on my own words. Though I said them, I am still not sure I understand them completely and I now wonder what I will need to do to be of proper use. The expression on my face seems to be one of sheer confusion coupled with a good amount of grief. I clearly had no idea what I had done but I obviously DO regret it.
Back from game night. My players are involved in an in game tournament right now and phew is it wild. It is giving them all a chance to PVP but in a no kill environment. On top of they also get to use NPC contestants against each other. So player chatacter is in the arena against an NPC and I hand the NPC over to another player who isn't fighting. Keeps everyone involved and allows the PCs to test there mettle against one another. Really fun!
Now I just looked at the IC and OMG! Not only does Kenji feel bad but so do I. I feel ashamed for playing my character the way I did lol. I am sorry Janiven! Can you forgive both Kenji AND I?
I am tired. I will post tomorrow afternoon. I need time to think about what to say and I am a horrible mixture of exhausted and high strung right now. Freakin crazy feeling.
I was hoping to get an answer on Teiflings before I left for game night. I know what they are but Kenji does not. I will post his next action then I am out for a good several hours. 8 seems most likely. I will try and post before bed tonight. I am glad I have manage to finally get myself more involved with the party. Been looking for a good way to become less of a background character.
When I receives the information about Teiflings I seek, I will nod and let out a low whistle.
Turning to the dwarf I say. "I grad we can come to agreement on prisoner's treatment. I not rike abusing herupress peopo regardress of deir crimes. Howeber, I wud not hab stopped you if he agreed to his punishment. Dis way atreast he has time to come to terms wit his desires." I take one look at the room with the prisoner and then at the others. "I will ret you tauk to him now. I trust your judgment on his treatment."
Looking to Janiven I sigh. "Can we tauk for a bit. I hab someting I need ask you in pribate."
If and once we are alone I clear my voice and speak as clearly as possible. "Earlier today. You seem upset bout me going out to study monsters. I did dat because I wish not to put others at risk. I learn much from dat encounter but you not happy wit dat it seems. I do not understand. I thought I had discovered much desired knowledge that would allow us to prepare proper. As we are, we are no match for dese monsters. So what I did was good right? What I do to upset you? Please I want to understand. Tings are different here dan back home and I do not fully understand customs." I wait for Janiven's response.
I will respond when I get home tonight. With John and Shinnon seeming to be absent and Andrea's character elsewhere, posting has died down exponentially. So I do not expect I will miss much.
EDIT: Hmm seems DM gave me the answer I sought while I was writing my post. Cool, Kenji's reaction still stands.
I nod to Arael. "Makes sense. Is agreeabu to me how you wish to handu prisoner. Maybe in time he open up more." I shrug. "So we are to herup dese dotari huh? Is fine wit me. I am hoping to make some form of progress. I am curious about one ting. What is Teifring?" I seem as though I don't really know.
I ponder for a minute at the man's words. Turning to Duncan I say in slow but clear common. "I need to discuss something with everyone. I have hunch about these men and I want you all to hear it but for now we leave him be. I have a theory."
I move to join the others wherever the majority is gathered and out of earshot of our prisoner. I look to Ermolos. "Watch him while we talk."
Once everyone who is present is gathered I speak as clear as possible. "I not believe these men as bad as some assume. Boy made good point about who we run from. Maybe they hide in sewer from Hellknights not because of crimes but maybe they are not unlike us. First piece of evidence. They help us out of sewer. For fee yes but if they as bad as assume then why they not lead us into a trap and take everything. Our skirmish showed they have skill, enough to where if we weren't prepared den we would fall easier. Especially back then. Then instead of few coin, they have all our processions. Instead they made fair trade. Coin for guidance and they came through with no back stabbing of any kind. Second bit of evidence. With family ties that Duncan assumes would set him free of knights, Why hide at all. Home seems safest place in that case, unless it truly was someting the knights would not forgive, like treason. Nothing less than what we were doing. In my homeland rich criminal hide behind family titles, not in filthy monster ridden sewers. Rebels like us are easy to blame for crimes, give knights better reason to hunt us and make scapegoats for the government to blame peoples problems on. I have seen dis city and I wholehearted believe it is corrupt. So what makes sewer hiders badguys when real badguys can easily hide in open? Now, dis is all theory. I have not done quite as much research as rest of you. Can anyone think of anything to confirm or refute my case? If not, then I recommend we discuss alliance with this boy rather than threaten to wipe him and Henk out. Den maybe we find what they really up too." I look around at the others. "Thoughts?"
I fear he will resist no matter what I say. Kenji doesn't believe Henk and his men are murderers. He really doesn't know what they've done. Anyone could have killed that poor fellow and simply tossed him in the sewer. If Henk and company were truly murderers and thugs, they would have killed us on our first encounter yet they accepted payment for information and stuck to the deal. In truth they are rather honest men in Kenji's eyes. If they are what Duncan says they are, They would have lead us into a trap, they know the sewers well enough to lead us into a trap and take EVERYTHING we have rather than simply show us the way out for a few coin. They have definitely shown they have some skill at tactics with the fog wizard and nooks.
Honest men really.....hmm when I get a chance I should share this with the party. Now that I look at it, it sounds legitimately relevant.
Maybe they aren't even thugs but another group of freedom fighters like us. Hmmmmm. Wheels are turning.
Phew Kenji is trying sooo hard. Seriously though, I have never understood how rich kids can be so obscenely stubborn. I must say it astonishes me every time I see it. Kenji doesn't want to hurt him but if he continues to resist, Kenji will accept the boy WANTS to be tortured. Since it is at the boys own desire, Kenji will allow him to do so if he resists much further.
In Kenji's mind, people don't normally want to be hurt so he is just a bit confused. But at the same time, he believes the boy knows this and in resisting he is saying "Yes I want to be tortured" and who is Kenji to judge what people really want?
So, if this kid won't wise up, Kenji will assume the boys answer is the hard way and stop defending him. I will let you know when that happens but I also don't expect the others to be patient forever, I will be done soon.
I raise an eyebrow. "Underground streets? How do you and yours handle the smell, rats, goblins, and oversized grubs? There are much nicer streets to walk above than those sewers. So why take them. I would like a good answer. You also still haven't answered weather or not your family even cares about your fate. At this point I tink it is a safe bet they don't. So whatever happens to you here, I would be the only one who would even care. Trust me, the dwarf behind me would love nothing less than to torture you. I won't let him as long as you want my help but to get that I need honesty. Now why are you and Henk all in the sewer? What is the real reason? I cannot hold back the others if you remain dishonest. I am outnumbered and am the only person here who can save you. Now answer." This whole time my expression is stern betraying neither anger nor frustration. If nothing else, there is a hint of sorrow. I pity this misguided boy and how he temps the threads of fate with his stubbornness.
I sigh. "Lying wasn't part of the deal. Your families wealth will not be your salvation in this environment." I pause for a second. I speak a bjt faster allowing my accent to obscure my words again. "Wait. Why a buch a rich kids runnin around in a sewer in first prace? What is down dere dat wud make you or Henk assume is best prace to base? If you famiries so wirring to pay you out of jair, why hide at ah?"
I slow my speech to speak clearly again. "Why are you hiding in da sewers if you not afraid of the law? What's down dere? Or wud you family really pay you out? You said youself you are a bastard son, maybe you not wanted at all? Whats the reason and do not lie to me again. If you do, you will have chosen to turn away my protection."
Edit: Going to add intimidate again:1d20 + 3 ⇒ (20) + 3 = 23
I nod at the man and let a sigh of relief. "Lets start wit numbers, names, and skills of dose in Henk's group. After that, all access points to his lair. And lastly any surprises we shud be aware of." I lean back. "Thanks for your cooperation. I will see to it you are handed over to the authorities when Henk and his men are dealt wit. From dere your fate is out of my hands."
Okay here goes.
With a bit of a sour expression I return to the man with a waterskin in hand. Before I give it too him I grab a handful of hair and pull back his head to look him in the eyes. I speak with no compassion but my voice is one of a more serious tone. "Listen, I don't want you to suffer but I am one man and cannot stand between you and the more vengeful memebers of this place. Your life is more in there hands than mine and I can do little more than offer you that I will fight for your life so long as you cooperate. You make the wrong choice and there is little more I can do for you. This is your last chance to save yourself from suffering. The others do not suffer fools and similar to your kind, they care little of the consiquences of your actions. Think, what would your fellows do if they had one of us in their clutches? Imagine that is you at the mercy of those who you served and they are not your friends. That's the position your in now with one exception. There is someone here willing to fight for you. Now make your choice! What say you? I won't ask again"
Intimidate:1d20 + 3 ⇒ (15) + 3 = 18
Not a great result but I believe the intimidate DC is much lower than the Diplomacy DC. Course....I've been wrong before.
I give the group a serious look. "Gib me one more try at him and I wiru hand him ober to John."
Intimidate isnt torture so I'd like to give it a go but I got a lengthy post to put out but no time to post it at this time. I will be able to do so in two hours could you hold off on anything drastic till then please?
I had my hopes that maybe at this point he would merely be unfriendly. Maybe I should have intimidated him. DC to gain results is a lot lower.
Sigh, I was kind of hoping to make this guy another disciple in the Kenji school of reformation but short sighted character development might not allow it.
After Shinnon has his way, I can take no more. "Enough!" shove Shinnon aside and stand between him and the thief and do my best to watch Duncan. I have trouble figuring out the true enemy as my allies are now more dangerous to me than murderers.
Looking to Shinnon. "What kind of birtueous warrior are you to abuse a herupress man such as him. What is meaning of good if ah it is another excuse to kiru people. Somewhere the chain of brood must end and dat wiru be when one of us is mercifuru or we aru dead! I wiru not sit here an watch you torment da misguided. Justice is not kirring or beating. It is mercy and a chance for one to atone. If neber giben da chance. Dere is noting gained from kirring dis man. Prease, show some balor an good wiru an maybe we gain a strong arry."
I turn from the others and kneel down next to the man. I look at him. Lowering my head for a moment to reassure what I was hoping. I look into the bandits eyes and clear my throat and speak in the best common I can muster "I was like you once. Son of a wealthy family. I tought I could do anyting. My moter died early an my dad did not raise me, he was too busy pursuing wealt. I was left to make da wrong friends and join a nasty street gang. It did not matter. Day were family. I too became a murderer in time. My fater past and I was handed over to strong martial arts master. If it weren't for the day my master took me in, I may have ended up in jail or killed by a vigilante like dese two. Now I have done much repenting an accomplished much. Dere is still much to do but let me tell you, being hero feels far better dan being da villian. Do what is right and help us stop more harm from being done. I cannot garentee your friends will survive but you have more you can become and they are only holding you back. Or is a cold death in a sewer as some nameless thug all you want? No one will remember you dat way. If death is the fate you desire, den I will stop protecting you. Make your choice! Live now and become something good and honorable to remember! Or you can gamble wit death again and see how worthless your life truly is!" I await the boys answer.
Sadly that is as high as I can roll and I doubt it will mean anything. Spent a good couple hours concocting that speech too. At least it is a high roll, thank goodness for that. P.S. The stuff you just heard is part of my revised backgroud. My profile has not been updated to include it yet but it will soon.
Thanks Andrea. Spoilers will be a fine compromise. I appreciate your understanding.
You guys may have took off with out me. I was really hoping to play a role when the bandit awoke but I guess you guys weren't willing to wait on me.
As far as Kenji's backstory goes, Hold on to your hooves! I am about to be brilliant! It'd be a first but I have quite the backstory concept I'm going to try and toss together. I will try and keep up with the posting, as I had mentioned, I have fallen behind an area I wish I had more of a role in and am not sure how to interject now. But Kenji will now have closer connection to this bandit than before.
I will work on the backstory adjustments and try to keep up. They are some pretty significant adjustments and my changes how I continue to play. Plus I hope there will be something the GM can work with there too.
I have been horribly disappointed by Kenji's lack of story and character depth. I really wish I had spent time to further develop him than I did.
I am also sorry if I came off as a jerk to Andrea's posts and character. Her character behavior hits too close to home and it has brought up a lot of painful memories. I will try harder to ignore it.
Whats with the really long and disturbingly sexual posts Andrea? You just bored or is there actually a point to this?.
@Baldwin should I be doing what Andrea is doing? Righting out a self narrative and taking control of NPCs to tell my own story? I could if you want that from us.
I gaze into Janiven's eyes for a moment and then look away seemingly too ashamed to continue to look in her eyes. I head inside.
I hope we get a chance to talk. I still don't completely understand what went wrong earlier today. I know she was upset with me about something. I only hope she will tell me what it was.
I go inside and wait for Arael's news or a chance to speak with Janiven alone. Whichever happens first.
I sigh at the dwarfs words. Shaking my head I look to him. "So you feeru you hod ebery rife in the pam of you hand. Ebery death is your responsibirity. Kirring this man is punishment? What has he rearned if he dies? Punishment is meant to correct, not condemn. Dis man, nor any man wiru rearn da error of deir ways if you kiru dem. You are not responsibu for da rives he has taken nor da rives he may take if set free. I say we gib him to de officias. Reab da responsibirity of punishment to does wit autority to carry it out. He wiru get what fate has in store for him."
I sit down next to the bandit making it clear I intend to guard the man from Duncan if need be. Looking at Duncan I say. "If you want kiru dis man, den you must be ready to kiru me aso." I stand firm in my choice.