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I prefer boiled Reefclaw myself. No need to ruin them by stuffing them in bread.

Ech. Seafood is bad enough when you drown it in other flavors, but boiled? You must be mad, eating reefclaw like that.

That said, quite a few current WotC employees used to work at Paizo...

Which says a lot for the ability and quality of Paizo's staff, IMO.

And think of the naming synergy you can cash in on... Pathfinder Adenture Path 4, the first for 4e, just 4 you... ad nauseam...

I'm sorry, but I have to set you on fire now.

Anyhow, I definitely agree with your first two points.

SirUrza wrote:

artemis2 wrote:

Excuse me, what is it that of 12th iconic?

They haven't revealed it yet, so nothing to talk about.

Excuse me(I supose that it is a newbie question but...), what's the iconic?

Thanks in advance and please forgive my poor english.

The iconics are the characters you can find in the back of the Pathfinders and the Modules. Characters built to give a view of the flavor of Golarion; much like Lidda, Tordek, and their ilk are in the WotC books, only here we have them actually fleshed out numerous times.

Honestly, the 'courts of madness' described here simply make me think of the Shivering Isles expansion pack for Oblivion, ruled by the Daedra Prince of Madness, Sheogorath. Admittedly Sheogorath is a lot less abominable-looking than your average Fomorian, but the theme of a mad ruler and a mad realm fit well enough.

Aberzombie wrote:

Kassil wrote:

Aberzombie wrote:

Some of us can just walk on the ocean floor, while fish nibble at our deacying, negative-energy empowered flesh. Just like those pirates in that movie - you know, the one with the chick and the sword fighting.

You couldn't swim, and floating on the current wasn't your style, so you sank like a rock and slept with the fish. Too bad you were sleeping on the kraken's alarm clock.

Whoa man, that's really ......existential.

And deep!

*drowns*

Kassil wrote:

A small vial of tempered glass filled with a blue liquid (a single shot of particularly strong liquor, worth 25 GP)

Romulan Ale?

I dunno. I only saw Romulan Ale for sale at a tourist trap in Vegas. I was picturing a much stronger shade of blue. Maybe something made by the derro from that luminous blue mold/moss stuff.

Some of us can just walk on the ocean floor, while fish nibble at our deacying, negative-energy empowered flesh. Just like those pirates in that movie - you know, the one with the chick and the sword fighting.

You couldn't swim, and floating on the current wasn't your style, so you sank like a rock and slept with the fish. Too bad you were sleeping on the kraken's alarm clock.

Some of us are skirting the edge of the stormy seas of madness. Some of us are yelling at the storm and waves from behind the helm of a three-master (hope you make those Balance checks). Some are like a good friend of mind and madly paddling through the storm in a one-man kayak. And a handful of us have reached the eerie calm beyond the storms, where madness has become a strange breed of sanity indeed.

Anybody got a surfboard?

Half a dozen small figures crafted from wood and painstakingly painted. (5-10 GP due to craftsmanship)

Dice carved from bone, slowly turning yellow with age. (4 SP)

A battered Harrow deck wrapped in a small swatch of silk. (1 GP)

A necklace strung with copper coins from various nations. (6 SP)

A necklace strung with dried tongues. (1-3 CP if you can find someone who wants it)

Bones from a great many small animals. (maybe he was a necromancer?)

A small vial of tempered glass filled with a blue liquid (a single shot of particularly strong liquor, worth 25 GP)

And I have confirmed that they contain enough vagaries to give the impression of matching a person; on a whim I Harrowed a somewhat-friend and was able to pick out Past, Present, and Future that fit her with stunning precision.

Kassil wrote:

Cosmo, it's still not arrived. I half-expect the local post office deliberately 'lost' it, to be honest. Is there any way you could piggyback it on a future UPS-based shipment? I've got no problems with paying the shipping fee on it.

I will put a replacement copy in with Order 897406. You will have received a confirmation email for an order with the replacement by itself, but you can ignore that. I'll be sending your Kobold with your Dragons, and I've sent you a new confirmation email that reflect the changes to this order.

Thanks,
cos

Thanks Cosmo!

...And apparently my threat was sufficient, as my hardbound of the book is en route via UPS in the same order as some birthday gifts.

Muhuhahaha!

Cosmo, it's still not arrived. I half-expect the local post office deliberately 'lost' it, to be honest. Is there any way you could piggyback it on a future UPS-based shipment? I've got no problems with paying the shipping fee on it.

etrigan wrote:

Is it me or Paizo just change the 4E message board title?:

Talk about 4th Edition here. Politely. Personal attacks or insults directed at other members of the Paizo community, or other companies in the industry, will not be tolerated.

It was changed this morning, yes.

Even though I voiced my support of the spirit of free speech earlier... I honestly can't disagree with this change, while it pains me to no end that it has become necessary to do so. When people need to start throwing insults over minor disagreements it has gone beyond defending one's right to an opinion.

I am hereby quitting the 4e section of the boards until after the rulebooks are released, not that I was overly active in the first place.

St 12
In 10
Wi 17
Dx 15
Cn 14
Ch 12

Still a cleric. But I'm more agile this time... Maybe I should get a sling or something and join the Artillery Squad. It feels good to see the size of the thread and all the tributes to Gary across the Net as a whole.

Fitting that the Collateral Damage Guildmaster rolls a cleric. I'll need to be one to patch up my guildmates blowing themselves up with everything around us.

@Mothman

I see your point but i don't seperate der board and the company.

In my specific opinion, this is a mistake, as it is much like hating all French-speakers because you don't like Paris, or hating Americans because a New Yorker was rude to you. Paizo has not gone and announced that 4e-haters have free reign and 4e-lovers will be banned. They have, in fact, asked that the discussions be kept civil, while trying to remain neutral so as not to stir up people screaming about favoritism. They literally cannot afford to play that game, especially at this point in time, since they don't know as of yet if they'll be able to deal with the GSL, because it hasn't arrived yet.

This is not about opions or criticism. That is ok and a good and important thing. But this whole subborad ist about a very aggressiv animosity against everything that has something to do with 4e.

First: if it isn't about opinions and criticism, then what the heck is it about? I thought the opinions of the anti-4e posters was what the problem was.

Second: As pointed out in the various posts you skipped past while replying to Mothman, the anti-4e posters are a very small section of the posters on this forum, whose opinions you are unfairly applying to all of us. There are a fair number of pro-4e posters (crosswiredmind immediately springs to mind) who make positive comments about the subject, and a much, much larger portion who just aren't getting involved because we don't have the facts about any of the rules. At the moment, the aggressive animosity you speak of is largely the fear of the people who are worried about all of their products and materials suddenly being 'worthless' - irrational, but then people tend to be. Given that you won't have the rules to convert RotRL or CoCT to 4e until the rules are released, I do not see why you feel that the current bickering is going to result in people calling you a 'WoWjerk' when the rules *are* released and people suddenly have said rules to occupy them as opposed to the poorly-handled public relations efforts of WotC. By then the issue of which direction Paizo will be going should be settled and much of the debate will have died off because whichever side was offended by the decision will have packed off and left, leaving the mature and rational people to further the discussions.

I think 99% of the dissenting voices stem from the fact that they're actually scared that Paizo might go entirely 4e and thus won't produce any more Pathfinder goodness for 3.5. Their written words might say otherwise, but I truly believe this is the deep down fear that drives most of the anti-4e crowd.

As someone who is neither pro-4e nor anti-4e, I have to say that I strongly suspect you are correct; by the same token, I suspect a number of the people expressing a strong negative toward those who are preferring to remain 3.5 is because they're worried Paizo might choose to remain entirely 3.5 and deprive them of a 4.0 version of Pathfinder. No matter what, the real loser of this little war is Paizo, as the zealots on each side are going to feel slighted no matter what Paizo's final decision is, with those who feel slighted dropping their subscriptions in protest.

Given that I'm not likely to play 3.5 or 4.0 anytime soon, my interest in the Pathfinder world remains in the setting itself, independent of the rules, and I'm perfectly willing to offer help to anyone who has conversion questions as long as I have the material at hand to do so.

If i would buy Rise of the Runelords and i want to convert it to 4e. Maybe i will have a question about that. I went to this place an ask what will the answer be? "Go away WoW-Jerk"?

You seem to have chosen to pick out the anti-4e posters and ignore the pro-4e posters. You would, more than likely, get helpful comments from the pro-4e posters and those who have chosen to remain utterly neutral until the material is actually in hand.

I would like to point out that most of the vitriol being hurled about is due in large part to the fact that no one has seen the rules. People are reading things into the pieces released by WotC, and without anything concrete, the only debate that can currently occur is discussion (and tactless argument) over these fragmentary and ill-explained pieces that have been gleaned.

Once 4e is released, then you will likely find that quite a large number of the people ranting against 4e have gone to a different part of the board and that this section is actually helpful. To judge the future state of the 4e forum post-release by the hysteria pre-release is not advisable. People are prone to mob mentality and being ruled by their emotions.

3a. First, I believe that you are focusing on a very small part of the forums - that is, this 4E discussion board. If you take a look at the other forums (e.g., the forums discussing Golarion, the adventure paths, the GameMastery modules, ...), you will find a large number of posters who are more than ready to help each other, share advice about how to play/enhance the modules, share props and handouts, and so on. There clearly is a lot of hate and strong opinions here but this is very specific to the 4E forum (which is only a small part of the whole Paizo forums).

Specifically, a percentage of 503 threads, against the 20000+ threads of the other sections of the forum. Again, people in general tend to prone to irrational behavior and mob mentality, and this will almost certainly die down to a bare minimum, if anything at all, once the actual rulebooks are released. To accuse Paizo of failure to moderate a board that is provided for free to allow open discussion without having heavy-handed moderators in the middle of it all is patently unfair to Paizo itself. Similarly, it is unfair to lump all posters into an anti-4e crowd when a sizable majority of us are either neutral, withholding judgment, or actively avoiding the negative threads and/or the entire forum because there is no concrete material to debate until the rules are openly available.

This is, in a sense, similar to me saying that I hate all French-speaking people because the inhabitants of Paris are jerks.

Incredulous remark pertaining to the longevity of the thread and the seeming glee with which people continue to revivify it.

Remark questioning former poster's sense of humor, or lack thereof, about a clearly amusing thread.

Offhand remark about how much aforementioned shows sucked, calling own sense of humor into question.

Would someone please go to the distributor and smack the punk around a bit? I'd like to get the print-edition of this that I ordered... Or just inform me where the distributor is, I'll see about doing a Flyby Breath Weapon Attack on his car before leaving an engraved stone tablet demanding he order more copies to fill the demand.

*grumble* Seriously, when there are people waiting a month for the order, he needs to step it up just a little bit.

Kassil wrote:

I hereby declare Majuba an honorary Captain of the Collateral Damage Adventuring Guild for his fine tribute to Gary.

I am stunned, and honored, thank you.

For that noble of a gesture, sir, you deserve it; while the entire swell among the entire gaming community's done a lot to blunt the cynicism I normally feel, you've personally earned my respect.

I've been a bit leery of taking my Hulk out lately, ever since I read about GoonSwarm's campaign against Hulks in Empire space. They're basically just roaming through high-sec destroying any Hulk they can find there because they think that Hulk pilots should be in low-sec and are tired of "carebear mining operations."

They don't care that CONCORD comes in and wipes them out afterwards. They're freaking GoonSwarm. The kamikazes of EVE.

I had not heard of this. Ew.

I really hate Goons. Shame I can't pack a swarm of smartbombs on my Hulk to lure the Goons into range of.

I've been a mining freak since I got my Retriever (plus, the corp CEO says "Go forth and mine").

Get a Hulk!

I have 13000+ m3 cargo space in mine with a pair of T2 cargo expanders. And the boosts they get for high skills equates to asteroid belts noisily crumbling into ruin as you poke along through them.

I have discovered the wonders of ice mining now that I have Ice Mining V and Exhumers V, what with the current price-per-unit of the basic ice you find in high-sec.

Also, provided that no one else has started one via Xfire: I present the Collateral Damage Adventuring Guild.

Provided that no one else has started one with Xfire...

The Collateral Damage Adventuring Guild

Provided that no one else has started one with Xfire...

The Collateral Damage Adventuring Guild

Whar'd evybuddy go?

Th' saloon.

I thought this was the "you wanna go to mars" thread, not the political thread.

YD is good at mixing his politics and such into all of his posts. If it weren't that he comes across as solidly believing in what he says, he might have the makings of a good troll. As it is, while I tend to look askance of the things he claims, I try to leave him alone.

I don't get why he's so thrilled by the idea of colonizing Mars, though. The sand there isn't just red; if I recall correctly, it will actually give you chemical burns if you were to touch it due to the strong oxidization. Colonizing planets in general is an awesome waste of resources. You're better off building habitats and shielding them from incoming radiation; it uses a lot less energy and material, can work a lot faster, and you can customize the living space a great deal more than you can living on a planetary surface.

I enjoy the idea of all of the variant paladins, although none of them are neutral in any way. It'd be kinda weird to have a true neutral Paladin, although he could be there to maintain balance in the world, making sure that neither good nor evil gain too much power, switching causes when need demands... Actually, that doesn't sound like that bad of an idea. I can use a character like that to be an NPC that is an ally and an enemy to the PC's.

You just described the required alignment of the 2e druid. Militant neutrality is pretty much impossible to legitimately pull off, as it balances 'saving the orphanage' with 'burning down the poorhouse'. Militant neutrality is possible on extremely small scales, particularly if the character adamantly avoids going to large-scale extremes (Christopher Stasheff wrote The Witch Doctor with a main character of this type; he wound up helping good far more than evil, of course, but for somewhat selfish reasons.) because it would require him to betray his own beliefs.

To a large extent I do agree with you. But seeing as WoW is a MMORPG while DnD 4E is a table top PnP game, there are a large number of differences we can deduce even without any other info. Note my post higher up in this thread!

Cheers! :)

You do have some good points, yes. Although there are actual roleplayers on some servers; not to the degree that *can* happen at a tabletop game, but then tabletop play can also descend into what Turin the Mad refers to as 'Diet RP'...

I'm not too certain about the comment on the economy, however; while you won't have 'gold farmers' the way MMOs do, the nature of the game tends to have fairly absurdist economies anyhow. I knew one GM who had a weapon store, armor store, magic store, and so on in every town. It all depends on how much effort the GM himself is willing to put into the economy.

There's a counterpoint to it all, but what they pretty much all boil down to is "there's a GM who can personally correct the issue, as opposed to a complex algorithm in a program determining what goes on."

Has it been shipped yet? Mainly cause I just got my sunscription 2 weeks ago and was wondering if and when this would ship with it.

Mine appears to be in the process of being fired by trebuchet at a passing UPS truck.

There is no way at this moment to determine what is or is not similar between 4e and WoW. Speculating on it is an exercise in absurdity.

Why?

We don't have the rules.

So, aside from what little regurgitated bits we have from the developers and those who went to DDE and got what probably amounts to '4e for dummies' sheets, we have no way of drawing any kind of reasonable comparison between the two.

Just like we have no way of drawing any kind of reasonable comparison between 3.5 and 4.0 - without the mechanical aspects in our hands where we can directly compare and contrast, all we have is spindoctoring and hearsay.

We are, in essence, making comparisons between the burger shack downtown and what we hear someone in another country entirely likes to eat.

* - yes, I know there's been the DDE material released on the Web. We still don't have any of the material to put it all in context. I like some of what I've heard, I hate some of what I've heard, until I get my hands on the rulebooks or the SRD-equivalent it could all be an elaborate smokescreen for all I know.

Meh. Why the hell does everyone want to live on a planet, anyhow? They're the most inefficient use of materials possible. To hell with Mars, I want to head for the asteroids. Raw metals and other construction materials, dirty snowballs, and all that.

Water crisis for the flatlanders? Section chunks of a snowball off and sling them back at the planet. Materials for industry? Chew into a nickel-iron asteroid. No worries about getting hurt by stupid things like falling down the stairs. Slap a sufficient layer of concrete-like goop (moondust apparently makes awesome concrete) on the outside to block radiation, and the majority of your worries can be dealt with.

You can even make and deploy big solar panels far beyond what's feasible on a planet. Turn your habitat into the center of a radiation-eating flower.

Kassil wrote:

baron arem heshvaun wrote:

No WAY DUDE !! Dritzzt in b_tchin Pathfinder, you guys do rock !

For even joking about that, sir, I must sentence you to be assaulted by an army of gibbering idiots armed with nothing but haddock.

By that do you mean the French wielding fish ??

I thought the Asterix and Obelix thread was elsewhere !

No, no, no. Parisians wielding fish. I have no grudge against the French as a whole, aside from some of the food (seriously, shredded fish, shaped into a rectangular block, battered, then fried on a giant toothpick? What the hell, man? What did the fish do to deserve that kind of tormented death?). Just the inhabitants of Paris, who were pretty much universally rude, snobby, and arrogant enough for an entire cab of New York executive businessmen. And ye gods the traffic.

Beating someone with a fish seems about their style. They might even be good at it.

Because it's as close as can be come to something that'll have a chance of being pronounced right. It's one of the easiest names for me to answer to, even if people insist on mispronouncing it or chopping it off to 'Kass'. (For the record, it's pronounced as if there are no vowels; Kss-sll is best guide I can give...)

Borg of Paizo wrote:

All will be assimilated! Resistance is Futile. Send all of your money to Paizo!

Shouldn't it be, "All your money are belong to Paizo."

"We get signal!"

Allen Stewart wrote:

PsychicAce wrote:

I don't know what level Lavinia is in this instance, but if she was level 4 and if you continue the formulas for figuring out XP to the extremes these require, she would get over 2.5 million XP just for 15,650 CR 1/2 people I believe

Allow me to be the voice of reason before Turin gets any more rash ideas. The DMG states that you can ONLY advance ONE (1) level per encounter. So Ms. Lavinia is now a 5th level puke instead of a 4th level puke. Turin will have to resort to other ways of creating an epic level villain for us to deal with.

Sir Allen:

I agree with you on the count of the DMG stating only one level per encounter, but what if she just used all that XP to acquire a template or to fuel a ritual to switch creature types?

Or item creation and all the other obnoxious things which XP is used as fuel in...

Let us say for the sake of arguement that Lavinia is 7th level when she sets off the Shadow Pearl, garnering the 25,000 CR 1/2 xp awards with an ad-hoc 75% XP hit for "very easy". At 25 xp per NPC that is ... 625,000 experience points. If we further halve that, this translates into 312,500 xp plus a bare minimum of 21,000 xp for being 7th level brings her total xp to 333,500 xp, placing her at 26th level.

Halving it again (156,250 xp) totals her xp at 177,250 xp - 19th level.

I'll figure which one of these to work with for crew 2...

Either way, they're going to have a battle royale if and when they get in a fight with her, since she'll likely continue gaining XP as they go... They might eventually catch up, some day far from now...

Thoughts on her class/level progression?

I wonder how much XP 15,650 CR 1/2s (even CR 1/3rds) are worth to Lavinia ... hrm ...

Don't forget the wild animals of the city - all those stray dogs, cats, vermin, and exotic pets are gonna have to add up to something eventually. ;)

Although, since the savage ones killed one another, do they count for XP purposes? Or is it just the transformation she'd get XP for? Hmm. Perhaps a bit of both. Conquest XP or somesuch. (To war, lads! Stomp 'eir heads inna ground an' we all level!)

It’s difficult to tell as written, but the statement is designed as if they were a set. There are a great many impartial ignorant people, and equally as many enlightened zealots. ;)

Reading it as a set, I have to agree. That is a minority.

Kassil wrote:

All DMs are evil wrote:

*schtuff*

That's actually a fairly good suggestion, as long as he doesn't mind the book-keeping... Kudos to you.

Glad to help, i appreciate it when characters think out of the box, I wish a few more of my party did the same. My ranger hasn't even considered his companion yet and he is now 3rd.

Heh. You'd either absolutely love or absolutely hate having me as a player... I have a great fondness for coming up with intensely off-the-wall ideas. At one point I was angling to have a monk/wizard who supported his monastery by brewing ale with cantrip effects in it. Another time I had a fighter/mage (in 2e) who was well on his way to becoming a local tyrant (ironically, he was NE; the party's cleric was LG; they were childhood friends, and he took pains to 'behave himself' when she was paying attention. Left quite a few thoroughly terrified 'villains' in his wake when they thought he'd let attacks on a Priestess of Good slip by...), and a third who was a completely neutral and extremely mercenary dwarven cleric. The group gave him his 'share' of the loot as payment for his services... Never realizing that he'd decided he liked them and was going to stick around anyhow, until the day he just about batted off a rich antihero's head when the guy tried to bribe him to poison the rest of the party.

Time to face facts, the real minority in America are the enlightened and impartial.

And most of those who appear to qualify as impartial are actually just apathetic.

Majuba you rock!

That was WAY cool of you... a fine tribute.

I hereby declare Majuba an honorary Captain of the Collateral Damage Adventuring Guild for his fine tribute to Gary.

Kassil wrote:

I dunno, Tolkien seemed to be more obsessive over his elves... My bet is on Lieber lasting the longest, though.

I don't know, his elves really never seemed that interesting to me, other characters, like Gandalf, Strider, and even Gimli seemed far more interesting then Elrond or Legolas, and the hobbits, they all got way more written about them. I think Tolkien would totally go hobbit. I'm completely in agreement about Leiber going the distance though. Howard would have the most kills and his character would have the best death I imagine.

I dunno; he put an absurd amount of effort into the Past Glories of the Elves and their language/culture/etc. His Infamous BBEG was originally an elf, IIRC, and they generally accomplished wonders and glories that none of the other races have even gotten close to.

Then again, he did write an entire book about one hobbit, and then dedicated a trilogy to a few others basically being the absurdly unlikely heroes...

I concede the point. Tolkien probably *would* be a hobbit.

Pett and Logue sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!!!

~Runs and hides~

Run? You'd best *use* those wings, rust-scale! Otherwise they'll likely use *you* as a marital aid!

Kassil wrote:

Guy Humual wrote:

I like to think that somewhere up in heaven Howard, Lieber, and Tolkien are waiting for you, their characters already drawn up.

Let's just hope they've got a few spares rolled up. You *know* their characters are going down without a save within the first few rooms.

Hehe, you know the hobbit is going to bite it first.

I dunno, Tolkien seemed to be more obsessive over his elves... My bet is on Lieber lasting the longest, though.

Richard Pett wrote:

Sounds good to me:) Where's Logue?

Breathing down your f##%ing neck Pett...that's where.

::Raises knife, glinting in the moon light::

Nick, that'll just help him. He'll either return as some kind of blasphemous undead horror, or he'll become a vengeful specter after taking a glance around the bowels of the underworld to get a feel for it.

From what I understand, you can only change your name when have posted fewer than (?) number of posts, then it is permanent. Your tags should follow your account, if that is the case. I could totally be wrong, but I wanted to provide a speedy response.

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