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Are the traits listed on page 21-23 of Blood of Angles traits that I just get?

Or are they traits like those introduced in the APG.

Here is my human rogue rake Scout build.

It's basically a Sap Master build. I'm planning on using Sniper Goggles, blunt arrows and a Merciful composite shortbow.

I couldn't find a place for Enforcer, but if Scout really does allow me to attack Flat-footed then I might not need all of the intimidation stuff anyway.

This thread is for fun, but it does concern the type of strict vetting of the rules that I find under Rules Questions.

Arcane archer has some pretty tough requirements. The two that are most important here are:

BAB +6

Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells.

So for a character to enter Arcane Archer and still gain spells from the class they have to have at least on level in sorcerer, Wizard, Bard or Witch. None of these have the fast progression for BAB.

So the earliest you can enter Arcane Archer is starting at 8th level(1 level arcane, 7 levels fast progression for BAB)

It would be really cool if you could get both fast progression for BAB and Arcane Spell casting.

In one of the AP there is a creature that qualified for Mystic Theurge using her race. Here race specifically casts as a class equal to her HD.

Nyrissa from Kingmaker AP 36
Her race is Nymph.
It states:
nymph wrote:
A nymph casts spells as a 7th-level druid, but cannot swap out prepared spells to cast summon spells.

You could actually enter Arcane Archer one level(I realize that HD and level are not exactly the same thing.) earlier if you were a Fairy Dragon!

Dragons have a base attack bonus equal to their total Hit Dice, and Fairy Dragons cast spells as 3rd-level sorcerers. Three levels to gain the feats and then Arcane Archer.

Currently, I'm reading the entire Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition to prepare for my next campaign after Kingmaker.

I'm an actor,
I'm dyslexic,
I have other learning disabilities,
I know a little Spanish,
I know a little French,
(Just enough in each to get me into trouble)
and this leads me to mispronounce most of the extraordinary words used in Rise of the Runelords.

While my players are certainly very forgiving of my flaws, I would still rather pronounce things closer to the ballpark then I have been. Kingmaker has been *ahem* challenging.

I'm going to use this thread to ask ALL THE QUESTIONS about pronouncing things for this book and to post my findings.

No hard feeling if people like pronouncing things their own way. That's cool too, but I'm trying to get the closest pronunciation intended.

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Warning: this is going to be a discussion about banning certain rules so if you don't like banning this isn't a conversation for you.

I'm on the last section of the last book in Kingmaker. I'm about to start Rise of the Runelords.

I've decided to run Runelords similar to a Society game. No item creation feats, no leadership, etc.

There have been a few things I've found problematic.

Icy Prison(spell)
Dazing spell(feet)

Are there any other spells, feats, etc. that I should consider banning? Why?

I'm certainly willing to hear compromises but these item are definitely problems as they stand.

I'm trying to make a Simulacrum of a Lesser Jabberwock.

I really don't want to screw over my player here, but I don't think it would be right to give it any fast healing.

I'm still unsure of how I should go about dealing with the special abilities.

I've been referring to my 3.5 edition MM for more information but There are still some thing I feel uneasy about.

What happens if you drop a chest(or other object) that has a Glyph of Warding on it off a cliff onto a creature?

Glyph of Warding


Is the creature considered the intruder?

Are you considered the intruder?

Or does the spell end because:

PRD wrote:
If you force the barrier against such a creature, you feel a discernible pressure against the barrier. If you continue to apply pressure, you end the spell.

What happens if you drop it next to the creature?

Dazing spell is a Metamagic feat that allows you to daze creatures using a spell that does damage.

Dazing spell:
Benefit: You can modify a spell to daze a creature damaged by the spell. When a creature takes damage from this spell, they become dazed for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates the daze effect. If the spell does not allow a save, the target can make a Will save to negate the daze effect. If the spell effect also causes the creature to become dazed, the duration of this metamagic effect is added to the duration of the spell. A dazing spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level. Spells that do not inflict damage do not benefit from this feat.

In yesterdays session my players had some frost giants frozen for an entire combat.

They kept extending the number of rounds that the creatures were dazed by doing more damage with dazing spell.

This seemed really cheesy. I really don't want to DM fiat that Dazing spell doesn't work but I would love to discover that it doesn't work as we are playing it now.

I really wish the feat said something similar to what the Daze spell says.

PRD wrote:
After a creature has been dazed by this spell, it is immune to the effects of this spell for 1 minute.

This would have at least allowed the frost giants to act after the initial 4 rounds they were dazed.

Does Gust of wind remove the fog caused by Guards and wards?

I believe so, but I would be delighted if it didn't.

My players are starting to hit the higher levels and that means they summon lots of monsters.

I'm using maptools to automate some of the process but with 8 summoned Gibbering mouther each with 6 attacks it bogs down game play for me to check and add up all that damage and check for Grapple.

I have decided that I can trust my players to add damage(I'm not giving them the creatures HP total) to their adversaries, so we've made a macro for them to do that.

How much would it hurt(verisimilitude, fun) to let them know the creatures AC after the first attack?

What about DR(number and bypass)?

What information wouldn't hurt to give the players?

A friend was telling me about a game he played where a player wizard fell in the water.

The GM made him roll to see if each of his scrolls were okay, but he lost all of his scrolls.

Since I'm making a wizard soon I want a little more info on this.

I haven't been able to find any official rules on the effects of water on scrolls and spellbooks.

What do you think the rules should be for scrolls and water damage?

Making a diviner and need a spell for my additional spell slot. I was planing of focusing more or control and I don't plan on using any ranged touch spells currently.

spells I have to choose from are:

Anticipate Peril
Comprehend Languages
Cultural Adaptation
Detect Charm
Detect Secret Doors
Detect Undead
See Alignment
True Strike

Some Kingmaker spoilers warning!

Okay, my players are going to clear Candlemere Tower of Will-o'-the-wisps.

Then they will have to clear it of the creepy feeling.

So I've decided they are going to fight the Grither(Don't say this out loud!!!).

I want it to attack there most northern town and have Santa Claus bring them there on his sleigh.

I need a monster around that will make a good Grither. They've just finished Varhold Vanishing so I'm thinking it should be around CR 12.

It has to have awesome reach and live in the cold.

I'm reading a playtest for an undisclosed game system.

It seems like in this game system character can mover before and after their attack.

This is similar to Spring Attack except that it doesn't stop you from taking AoO.

What problems would arise from allowing this in pathfinder?

It would damage Spring Attack but I'm wondering if it might improve combat by making it fluid.

When Damage Reduction has two things. And there separated by "and" does that mean that the weapon has to meet both things.


DR 15/bludgeoning and magic
DR 10/good and magic

I believe so, but I'm not certain.

I'm currently running a campaign here. I don't PBP we use maptool and play once a week over the internet.

Does anyone else do this?

I wouldn't mind joining a game.

male Human ranger/2,rogue/2,fortunes-friend/5 and swordsage/2


There are lots of things that increase the Damage die for an eidolon.

Improved Natural Attack (Monster feat)


Improved Damage (Ex) (An Evolution)

Strong Jaw. (spell)

of these and others:

1. Which ones stack?

2. In what order do they stack?

Okay, my(maptool) campaign file for my kingmaker game became corrupt today.
I now have to start a lot of things off from the beginning.
I wish Paizo had there VTT up and I would start using that.

We have been using Google docs(spreadsheets) for most campaign info so I suppose I could use a spreadsheet with city blocks.

What I need it something I can use for the Hex grid of the Kingmaker maps.

The spreadsheets won't work because they only use squares and I wouldn't want to sacrifice the look of these nice maps.

Any ideas?

I'm not sure how the spell scare works.

I understand how Cause Fear works. roll a savings throw if you fail you are frightened if us succeed you are shaken for a round. And if you have 6 or more HD you are immune to the shaken part.

How does Scare change this. I feel kind of dumb asking.

How would you do tossing an item to a companion.

There are already rules for throwing and object but I'm not sure about catching.

Wall wrote:

In this same interlude it doth befall

That I, one Snout by name, present a wall;

Illusory Wall lets you make a permanent wall:

Illusory Wall:
School illusion (figment); Level sorcerer/wizard 4
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect image 1 ft. by 10 ft. by 10 ft.
Duration permanent
Saving Throw Will disbelief (if interacted with); Spell Resistance no
This spell creates the illusion of a wall, floor, ceiling, or similar surface. It appears absolutely real when viewed, but physical objects can pass through it without difficulty. When the spell is used to hide pits, traps, or normal doors, any detection abilities that do not require sight work normally. Touch or a probing search reveals the true nature of the surface, though such measures do not cause the illusion to disappear. Although the caster can see through his illusory wall, other creatures cannot, even if they succeed at their will save (but they do learn that it is not real).

Can this wall have arrow slits?
Can it be a crumbling wall?
Can it be a wall of skulls or bones(although certainly not one in which individual parts could move)?
Could it be moving(like a wall of shifting sand or pulsing skin or fire)?

I understand that it's bound to being a figment I was just wondering how varied you can make it look.

What type of instrument is a concertina for Pathfinder you think?

I play the Harmonica and it's a free reed instrument like the concertina.

If the concertina can be a Keyboard instrument it can be summoned with Summon instrument.

Trolls don't die unless they are dealt fire or acid damage. They keep regenerating 5 hp every turn.

If players keep dealing damage to a troll how low can it's hit points go?

also as a side question when do they get there 5 hp back? at the beginning of there turn or the end?

I'm reading the AP trying to figure out where each token goes on my map. Where is tig? Is he in one of the huts or out in the open?

Forgive me if this is already been asked.

I know that an NPC can't play the Ruler for the Kingdom building rules.

Can an NPC be the 2nd ruler?

One of my players is the king If he gets married will his queens stats help the kingdom?

Okay so the Maneuver Master(Monk Archetype) gets this at first level:

Maneuver Master wrote:
The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry.

A Monk gets this at 3rd level:

Monk wrote:
At 3rd level, a monk uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus when calculating his Combat Maneuver Bonus. Base attack bonuses granted from other classes are unaffected and are added normally.

So as written it seems that Maneuver masters won't be able to add BAB from other classes until the Monk reaches 3rd level.

Or do you think this was just an oversight and should be assumed that the last line be added on the end.

I could probably figure this out on my own but I'm always better at reading the rules after someone tells me I'm wrong. :)

Can you use the feet Perfect Strike with Combat Maneuvers?

So I'm working on a character who uses the Quarterstaff and I'm following build.

I'm trying to figure out the archetypes.

Maneuver Master wrote:
At 1st level, as part of a full-attack action, a maneuver master can make one additional combat maneuver, regardless of whether the maneuver normally replaces a melee attack or requires a standard action. The maneuver master uses his monk level in place of his base attack bonus to determine his CMB for the bonus maneuvers, though all combat maneuver checks suffer a –2 penalty when using a flurry. At 8th level, a maneuver master may attempt a second additional combat maneuver, with an additional –3 penalty on combat maneuver checks. At 15th level, a maneuver master may attempt a third additional combat maneuver, with an additional –7 penalty on combat maneuver checks. This ability replaces flurry of blows.

I'm having a little trouble figuring out exactly what this means.

Does it mean that I always get to do an attack and maneuver check when I'm using a full attack?

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The Sap Master feet only works if the target is flat-footed.

Sap Master wrote:
Whenever you use a bludgeoning weapon to deal nonlethal sneak attack damage to a flat-footed opponent, roll your sneak attack dice twice, totaling the results as your nonlethal sneak attack damage for that attack.

The Scout(rogue archetype) ability "Scout's Charge" says:

Scout wrote:
At 4th level, whenever a scout makes a charge, her attack deals sneak attack damage as if the target were flat-footed.

Does the "as if" mess up my plan of using Sap Master with Scout's Charge.

male Human ranger/2,rogue/2,fortunes-friend/5 and swordsage/2

To discuss this Kingmaker game.

A friend of mine linked me to this article entitled A simple game that makes you think, “Wow, people can be really petty”

I think this is so true for roleplaying games.

I make a promises to you now that if we ever play this game I will always pick A.

How does perception work when finding traps?

When do I give players perception rolls to find traps?

As soon as they could possible perceive the trap,

right before they trigger it,


only when they ask for one.

From reading this:

prd wrote:
Creatures that succeed on a Perception check detect a trap before it is triggered. The DC of this check depends on the trap itself. Success generally indicates that the creature has detected the mechanism that activates the trap, such as a pressure plate, odd gears attached to a door handle, and the like. Beating this check by 5 or more also gives some indication of what the trap is designed to do.

I've come to the conclusion that it would require the players to ask for one.

In which case how do I do a perception roll for the whole room?

What if there is more then one trap in the room?

I know this is an old question and I certainly don't want to start trouble but I wanted to gather ideas.

I'm looking for RAW answers.

Felicia Day is the actor and writer of the webseries the Guild.

Felicia is starting a new Channel Geek and Sundry on youtube which will have lots of really cool show

Including one show (table top) which is just Wil Wheaton playing tabletop games with celebraties.

She is having a subscription drive on Google plus hangout.

Most of the time this question is easy.

But if players are negotiating and one party suddenly decides to attack when does combat start before that attack or after it?

Looking for new players to play the Kingmaker adventure path.

Character need to be first level.

25 point buy as per page page 15 of the CRB(tables 1-1 and 1-2 on page 16)

All Official classes and races from the CRB, APG, UM and UC are acceptable. This includes Archetypes and Alternate Race Traits.

Hit points will be done like Step 8 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play(Table 2-2:Hit Points By Class on page 7)(full hit die first level and half hit die rounded up each additional level)

All player have one Hero Point.

All player may pick two traits but at least one must be from the Kingmaker Players guide.

Unless you are Playing an alignment restrictive class alignment really does not matter but I would like players to start with good or neutral character.

Player should be encouraged to look at builds(specifically Treantmonk's Guide). Not because I want you to play over powered characters but because I want to avoid buyers remorse with characters. Also guides tend to be closely vetted and thus stay closely to the rules.

We are going to try to stay very close to the rules. My rule is that if I don't know a rule during one session I make sure I know it by next session. Players are encouraged to help with the rules.

The game will be played using Maptools.

Most information regarding equipment, Hero Points, Experience Points and kingdom stats will be kept online in one or several google docs so players can edit and view this information between sessions.

Most of the time encounters seem pretty straight forward.

1. Roll initiative
2. Combatants act in initiative order
3. repeat at step 2

but actually initiative is more complex then that.


1. When combat begins, all combatants roll initiative.

2. Determine which characters are aware of their opponents. These characters can act during a surprise round. If all the characters are aware of their opponents, proceed with normal rounds. See the surprise section for more information.

3. After the surprise round (if any), all combatants are ready to being the first normal round of combat.

4. Combatants act in initiative order (highest to lowest).

5. When everyone has had a turn, the next round begins with the combatant with the highest initiative, and steps 3 and 4 repeat until combat ends.

A lot of this is hand waved by GMs to make the game go faster. And there is still a little vagueness. For instance when does combat begin?

If you open a door and there are enemy on the other side the answer is clear. Immediately no one get to act before initiative.

However if you are having a argument with a person in a bar when does combat begin? As soon as you the first punch in thrown or as soon as someone suggest that they might throw a punch?

This is something that I've never understood, but on further reading of the rules it seems that no attack ever happens outside of initiative. And that really make sense and is infact quite intuitive. I think that the part that isn't intuitive is.

Determine which characters are aware of their opponents.

It seems that you also have to determine which characters are aware that there opponents are actually there opponents.

I've had to deal with a number of players say "I stab his character" does this stab happen in the surprise round and if so how do I determine if the other player knows that his/her once companion is now his/her enemy because the player knows but the character didn't know that they were going to do that?

Also if all attack happen in the surprise round and Diviner(wizards with Divination school) always act in the surprise round don't they have like spidey sense.

Forewarned (Su): You can always act in the surprise round even if you fail to make a Perception roll to notice a foe, but you are still considered flat-footed until you take an action. In addition, you receive a bonus on initiative checks equal to 1/2 your wizard level (minimum +1). At 20th level, anytime you roll initiative, assume the roll resulted in a natural 20.

Also a Babau Demon has inhuman patience and will stalk his pray for years or decades. Does that mean that when stalked by a Babau Demon a diviner would get to act even if he didn't even know there was an opponent. What would he know? "I'm in danger", "something's about to attack."

Looking for new players to play the Kingmaker adventure path.

Character need to be first level.

25 point buy as per page page 15 of the CRB(tables 1-1 and 1-2 on page 16)

All Official classes and races from the CRB, APG, UM and UC are acceptable. This includes Archetypes and Alternate Race Traits.

Hit points will be done like Step 8 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play(Table 2-2:Hit Points By Class on page 7)

All player have one Hero Point.

All player may pick two traits but at least one must be from the Kingmaker Players guide.

Unless you are Playing an alignment restrictive class alignment really does not matter but I would like players to start with good or neutral character.

Player should be encouraged to look at builds(specifically Treantmonk's Guide). Not because I want you to play over powered characters but because I want to avoid buyers remorse with characters. Also guides tend to be closely vetted and thus stay closely to the rules.

We are going to try to stay very close to the rules. My rule is that if I don't know a rule during one session I make sure I know it by next session. Players are encouraged to help with the rules.

The game will be played using Maptools. This does not necessarily mean that each player needs a laptop but it does mean that we need at least one extra computer and hopefully a nice large HD TV.

Most information regarding equipment, Hero Points, Experience Points and kingdom stats will be kept online in one or several google docs so players can edit and view this information between sessions.

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Short Story:
All of my players came to the consensus that they didn’t want to play kingmaker anymore.

Long Story:
I’ve been playing since 2nd edition. I’ve almost always been the GM. Usually campaigns that I start tend to end quickly(one to three sessions.)

I decided that I wanted to run a Campaign for real. If I was going to get serious about this I would have to not fall into any of the pitfalls that hurt other sessions.

Not knowing the Adventure well enough.
Not knowing the rules well enough.
Slowness in drawing out maps.
Backstabbing Players.
Must learn to say no to players.

Once I GMed players through 30 sessions. I made up the campaign world. I stayed closer to the rules. I used Transparency and permanent marker to draw my maps. I gave the players an in campaign world reason to cooperate. And I didn’t let players play fairy princesses or samurais that don’t know common. The only reason why this campaign ended was because I graduated and had to move.

I was very proud of that campaign but I still wasn’t happy because the only reason why I was sticking to the adventure was because I had become really good at coming up with stuff over the years(Also I’m an actor.)

So I purchased and read each of the Kingmaker APs. This was a challenge for me because amongs other learning disabilities I am also dyslexic. I really liked them. This AP fixed one of the biggest problems I’ve had with adventures, which was that they tended to lead the players along a fairly linear path.

One of the other aspects that I noticed slowed down or stopped game play was that players didn’t seem to keep track of who had which item or whether or not their character was encumbered or not.

I made a google doc containing each and every item in the first Kingmaker AP so that I could easily cut and past items into another Google Doc so players could keep track of items.

Transparencys and Perminate marker was a pain in the but so I instead inported all of the maps into a program called Maptools.
I found some players and we started playing. I had played with these players before. They had really liked how I use to play where I was pulling my hair out coming up with stuff.

One of them complained after the second session. I was running them through a number of random encounters and they didn’t roll anything what was much of a threat, but mostly he was complaining because I had asked them to pick traits that actually fit with the characters they were playing.

There was a little weaseling and whining the type of thing I experienced in the past when players were trying to stop playing.

One player suggested that he run a session on alternate weeks and I this sounded great to me because I do like to play aswell and It would give me more time to prepare for my sessions.

So we starting playing his Campaign and we finaly get to the end of the first Kingmaker AP and I get this email.

“A lot of us in your game have been thinking, and we've come to a consensus. We just don't like Kingmaker and we're not sure how much longer we can play it. But we do appreciate you wanting to run a game and we have come up with an alternative. We would like to invite you to run us in Second Darkness. I can give you all six books, plus the players guide. Would you be willing to take a look at these books? ***** and I are the last hold-outs in Kingmaker, but even the two of us are tiring of the modules. Let us know what you think.”

Honestly the thought of starting over (reading six more APs) and abandoning all of the work I have put into Kingmaker sickens me.

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I'm playing a wizard and I'm planning on adding the Harrower class when I qualify(Probably 5th or 6th level.)

So as I understand it When I add a level of Harrower I get the new spells per day as if I leveled as a wizard.

I am not sure If I get any of my arcane school spells.

I am not sure If I get new school abilities.

I am not sure If I get to add new spell to my spell book. I think I should.

I am not sure what happens if I decide to go back and take another level of wizard.

If my Wizard and caster level are off(due to multiclassing in a prestige class) how does that effect arcane school spells/abilities. Do I retroactively get my arcane school spells or do I just start acuireing them late.

So my GM devised a long background story for me using a book called (central Casting)

Anyway he gave me Exotic weapon proficiency throwing card and a sharp deck of Harrow cards.

If there is already such a thing where would I find it.

If there isn't what do you think?

My GM says probably Shurikens. I told him I would look for any official rules.

One of my players wants to make a monk who grapples.

Are there any rules for attacking a creature who is grappling or grappled. when you yourself are not.

I know it some systems they have a 50/50 chance thing but I'm looking for a RAW answer.

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Here comes the 3 riddle, and I say it's alright.

You shouldn't need me to confirm the answer but if you want you can use spoiler tags. [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ]

The riddle only has one answer but it might have a variety of names.

It takes half a day to reach fortress. I spend the entire trip just trying to avoid the very sight of you. And then when I finally get there I see you running off to the horizon. Now I can’t see what I’m doing so I light a torch and what do I see? A hoard of mud soaked vampires. At least you could have taken care of the mud! So I’m slaying vampires all night long, alone. Finally I made it to the Vampire lord and you come in through a broken window and smite him. You kill stealer! I spend the entire trip back just trying to avoid the very sight of you.

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A new one freshly inked. Might need some tweaking.Much easier then the last one.

Use spoiler tags if you think you have the answer. [ spoiler ]answer[ /spoiler ]

Do not give up and look at the spoilers!!!

If you figure it out without looking at spoilers you get to give hints(spoiler tags) but try to give it away.


the prettiest cat
in all of the town
she searched for a hat
that looked like her gown

and then she found one
right under a tree
away from the sun
amongst some debris

The top was dotted
the same as her gown
the bottom slotted
and fit like a crown

she danced all around
but then she laid down
right under the tree

and there the cat stayed
so it has been said
but where she once laid
there now is a bed

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You probably won't be able to find the answer to this online because I wrote it. :)

When you figure it out try not to post the answer right away.

I'm not bound by way,
I am bound by stride.
So often I stay,
in castles and hide.

Enemies I kill
whoever comes by,
there's one I can't kill,
and I'll tell you why:

He is just like me
in all that we do,
but something, you see,
is oppose to.

When he is near me
I don't approach him,
nor he approach me
when I am near him.

So mutually feared
We each keep away
'till, all that is cleared
at the end of our play.

I think it's important to separate the concept of your intelligence for your characters intelligence.

Even if your character has a higher intelligence then another character your character doesn't gain any special benefit when answering a riddle.

Even if your character doesn't have a good charisma you can use your intelligence to think of the best thing to say so that you can get the highest modifier.

You can always use your intelligence to help your character fight with the best strategy in combat.

Your brain is your characters greatest power.

Yes, being a smart player does give you an advantage.

There is nothing wrong with this.

So I've made this character sheet thing but I haven't been working on it in a while.

I wanted to make it easy to pick between different archetypes but that seems like way too much coding.

If any of you have any ideas or want to help finish it please help work on it. Otherwise, I just don't think I'm going to finish it.

A round being from the start of your turn till just before your next turn.

This includes AoO, TWF and whatever

Highest level 20.

Weather or not those attack actually hit or not should not be factored in.

Lets get ridiculous people.

The person with the highest correct answer wins a cookie.

I have read many adventures over the years. I have also GM/DM many games.

Players love the fact that I can come up with a story line quickly. The bad thing is that I don't really want to be that kind of GM because it means that I have to quickly make rules decisions that I might later regret. I want to be confident that I know exactly what's going to happen or have to tools available to make an accurate prediction.

I propose a book similar to the "crypt of the Everflame" but for more experienced GMs. The book would present an adventure in parts except that between each part there would be a detailed example of a GM running Player through that part.

During each run through the GM could DEAL WITH various issues that come up during the course of the campaign. Even if I decided to deal with an issue differently It would be great to see these examples.

You could publish them by level that way the characters wouldn't level in the middle of the book.

If your thinking of telling me that you hate the idea and you think it's stupid and that I don't understand etc... please please please don't post!

If you think this idea is neat but could use some work.... I agree. please discuss.


1st_____+0______+0______+0______+2______Skill focas Craft(any)
2nd_____+1______+0______+0______+3______Working knowledge
3rd_____+1______+1______+1______+3______Swift Craft
4th_____+2______+1______+1______+4______Masterpiece 1
5th_____+2______+1______+1______+4______Master Craftsman
8th_____+4______+2______+2______+6______Masterpiece 2
11th____+5______+3______+3______+7______Focased Craft
12th____+6/+1___+4______+4______+8______Masterpiece 3
16th____+8/+3___+5______+5______+10_____Masterpiece 4
18th____+9/+4___+6______+6______+11_____Instant Craft
20th____+10/+5__+6______+6______+12_____Masterpiece 5

Working Knowledge (EX): The artisan must pick a certain type of item

Swift Craft (Ex): At 3rd level, an artisan can craft items with astounding speed. It takes an artisan half the normal amount of time to craft items.

Masterpiece (EX): You can craft a masterwork item from exotic materials. Treat the Item as a masterwork version of the same item except that it has one unique quality that identifys it as a one an only(such as a fenessable light shield). Once distroyed it can't be repared. At 8th level you craft a magic item of at least 8,000 gp ignoring the normal prerequesets. This increases every four levels there after.

fortuitousness (SP): You gain the following spell-like abilities: 2/day—light, prestidigitation, open/close, read magic, mending, spark. The caster level for these effects is equal to the artisans level. The DC for these spells is equal to 10 + the spell's level + the artisans intelligence modifier. These abilities can manifest themselves and mere serendipity.

Trademark (EX): You've develped a unique style and people who know your work get a +5 on any approprate check to identify. Your trademark can mannafest itself however you wish esteticly including a magical glow but contains no additional bonus. A masterwork item may contain a small bonus at GM discression.

perfectionists (EX):An artisan may voluntarily subtract 10 from the indicated DC to craft an item. This allows the artisan to create the item slower.In addition If an artisan fail by 1 or more, she ruins half the raw materials and has to pay half the original raw material cost again. This represents distroying the work in a fit of rage.

Fineart (EX): Althought you find your creations are most beautiful then uses by a one skilled in its use. Some are willing to pay to hang them on there walls. Your work can sell the twice it's normal price.

Focased Craft(EX): Chose one item(such as a longsword) when crafting that Item you add you class levels to the check.

Instant Craft (Ex): At 18th level, an artisan can craft items with almost supernatural speed. She can craft any item she is trained in as a full-round action if he succeeds at the Craft check and has the appropriate resources at hand to fund the creation.

I did a lot of cut and past and I didn't finish it but I thought maybe I could lighten my workload by posting it here.

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