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Has anyone come up with a good way to store/organize the cards? I am trying to figure out a way to both make them accessible during play and in between sessions.


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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Jem'Nai wrote:
where is the playtest at?
Only the stars know.

Usual blog time is 12 PDT, however as I recall playtest ones are usually late, so expect it before 5 PDT. :)


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James Jacobs wrote:
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James was Echidna a source of inspiration for Lamashtu?
No... Lamashtu was the source of inspiration for Lamashtu.

So after a bit of research, I think Lamashtu maybe the inspiration for Echidna. Now to see who works for Typhon.


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James was Echidna a source of inspiration for Lamashtu?


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What about the people who do Star Wars (fantasy flight games?) that seems to have been a hit and they seem to be churning out high quality, regular releases.
They do! I really don't know enough about them to make an educated remark, though. I know that it's possible to turn out really good work and still not be making enough to put food on the table. Especially if you use a lot of freelancers you can look much bigger than you are.

Based on the increase in size of the FFG offices, I would say they are doing pretty well. However that may be supplemented by their board and miniature games.


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There was a bit of a discussion of a Atlas of Golarion in the Developing Pathfinder seminar, see the latest Know Direction podcast. It would be something I would like to see, but I am not sure if it is something that they have enough individual country maps to do it properly yet.


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Damn, I think the Postmonster got drunk. Deleted the post I liked and left the post I meant to get rid of. Bah!

You got him sipping tequila didn't you?


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James Jacobs wrote:
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Is art or cartography more expensive for a book? Or are they about the same?
Art is a little bit more expensive than cartography. Both are MUCH more expensive than the words.

Hmm, so an Atlas of Golarion could be a pricey prospect then, although there is probably a lot of maps you could recycle.

If you did a map book like that would you think it was a good idea to do either a more detailed World map? How about maps of each continent with minimal detail (countries, a few cities, mountains, lakes, etc only)?


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Is art or cartography more expensive for a book? Or are they about the same?


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GreyWolfLord wrote:

WotC heavily supported Greyhawk as well, most of it in conjunction with other organizations, granted, via their living GreyHawk.

There was a ton of cross buying TSR's stuff. A great majority who bought the lesser settings, also bought most of the larger settings as well.

But with WotC, the dilution was magnified among many different campaign settings simply because of all the 3pp stuff (heck, even Paizo is not WotC these days, and it was a direct competition of D20 with WotC during the 4e days).

With so few, it doesn't take many to be not as accepted as the others to have the same problems.

3e actually had more official ones than 3.5 if you include OA in that mix as well as Modern (One of my favorites by the way) and SW...but that is more strictly D20 rather than D&D.

Let's look at it if the dividing lines actually was a factor...you could say you have 12 campaign worlds under TSR. So if people ONLY bought into one campaign, as you say, and there is 12 dollars, than each campaign only gets one dollar, and TSR gets $12 irregardless of whether it is one campaign, or twelve campaign worlds.

However, under the WotC model, the people still have $12, but they only put out 3 worlds. Hah! You say, that means they should get all $12...right...with each getting $4 a piece! However, it had competition. Instead of WotC putting out all those worlds, instead you had 120 different worlds...and if they split it evenly, that means that only 10 cents is spent on each one, and WotC only gets 30 cents (much less than anything else) of that whole.

This is one reason they probably wanted to go with the GSL and a more restrictive license. It gets tough when you see a majority of gamers money going to other companies instead of your own, especially when it's off of your own system that they are making a profit!

So multiple campaign worlds, doesn't make much sense in that light when you have built into your own system of production a dilution of your own material due to third parties.

Now more into...

You are missing a view key differences between the two. TSR didn't print or cost products for that split audience. If you cost s book correctly you can split the market for it without an issue. The planscape box set comes up for this one all the time. What should have happened was the box gets developed, production figures out what that will cost, and then sales sets the price. TSR often set the price first, dev made what they wanted, and production produced it.

And TSR overprinted for the demand, see the entirety of the Buck Rodgers line.

WotC often did one off books, a Dragonlance, CoC, etc. those don't split you market as much. TSR often did full product line support for every setting, whether it warranted it or not.
3rd party publishers don't split your costs and profits. Remember that the majority of what WotC did was rules, not setting material for 3E. Which meant any setting could use some, if not all of WotC's books.


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Was there some sort of event that happened in Casmaron at the same time as the death of Aroden in Avistan and the fall of Lung Wa in Tian Xia?

If so have you revealed what it was?


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FormerFiend wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:

I am not sure pulling an entire other earth pantheon whole sale is a good idea. I think it worked for the Egyptian one since they are all anthropomorphic.

Also remember that the rumor is that like the Dragon Empires, Casmaron will have a different core 20 deities. I would guess most of the newer gods, except for Irori won't have a place in Casmaron. Abadar, Desna, Irori, Lamashtu, Pharasma, Sarenrae, and Shelyn all seem like safe bets since they are in the Dragon Empires as well.

All of the important greek gods are anthropomorphic. It's only once you start reaching back into the family tree, with the protogenoi where they start getting weird. I'd also point out that while the vast majority of the egyptian gods are anthropomorphic, there is a notable exception in Apep.

It's also entirely possible to have a separate 20 core deities like the Dragon Empires had while still giving Iblydos it's unique greek pantheon, just like the inner see has it's twenty core and Osirion happens to have twenty extras that fell out of worship before being picked up again. Iblydos is one small part of Casmaron, not the whole thing.

I'm simply of the opinion that having the egyptian pantheon being the one real world pantheon to have a presence while having the greek pantheon be co-opted by the pathfinder core would be rather jarring. I don't think it's the kind of trick you get to do just once.

On the subject of Casmaron's pantheon, I'd like it if it has a few different carry overs from the Inner Sea core than the Dragon Empire carry overs. Having the same deities appear in all three pantheons gives the impression that they're a step above the others.

At the very least, I'd switch out Lamashtu for Asmodeus.

Since Lamashtu has already been mentioned as being in Iblydos, I have a feeling we know which way Paizo is planning to go with her. See the Baphomet article in Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth.


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James Jacobs wrote:
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In Classic Monsters Revisited, there is a story about the creation of the minotaurs, having to do with the city of Tulo. Is that still valid?

If so what continent/country is Tulo in?

It likely is. The bit about minotaurs coming from Azlant is wrong though. They're from Iblydos. Which would suggest Tulo is in Iblydos.

Is that where Baphomet is from then?

I assume the city would be a ruin, so an interesting adventure site.


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TritonOne wrote:
"From Hell's Heart" adventure 6 in the "Skull & Shackles" Adventure Path in the "Continuing the Campaign" section.

Cool! And thanks!


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We know that the Cyclopes had a couple of main areas in Casmaron, one of which was in Iblydos. We also know that there was a major event that destroyed all of the cyclopes empires.

In greek myth the Titans and Cyclopes were related so maybe they were part of the Titan rebellion. That could have been the cause of the collapse of the empire. If not maybe the Titans sided with Rovagug.

It has been at least a thousand years since the collapse.


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TritonOne wrote:
There is Ifestus, the Titan, slumbering under Mount Keeba in the Shackles.

What book is that in? I found reference to Mount Keeba in Isles of the Shackles, but where is the titan mentioned?


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In Classic Monsters Revisited, there is a story about the creation of the minotaurs, having to do with the city of Tulo. Is that still valid?

If so what continent/country is Tulo in?


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So as it turns out, apparently Lamashtu has been busy in Iblydos. Although that might have more to do with the fact that just about every greek monsters is something crossed with something else. I think I will look at the Cyclops next.


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Minotaurs: We know that Baphomet was the first minotaur and was created by a vile act of Lamashtu. However there is also the mention in Classic Monsters Revisited, that Lamshtu gifted the town of Tulo with a two headed calf which the town destroyed in horror. Lamashtu then caused all the women to become impregnated with minoatur babies. The town locked them in a maze for 10 years, after that the minotuars left the maze and killed the town.

The classic story is that King Minos didn't sacrifice the bull provided by Posideon and he had Aphrodite curse the king's wife Pasiphae to fall in love with the bull. Then Daedalus, made a hollow bull for her to use. Also he built the labyrinth that the minotaur was housed in.

I like the idea of using some from all of those stories, expecially something with Daedalus as possibly an alchemist or an expert. I am not sure if Paizo is still going to use the old story from CMR. There is no more mention of the city of Tulo, however that could be because it is in Iblydos, or the fact that everyone there died.


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So Titans, there are 4 types of Titans in the Bestiaries, Elysian, Fomorian, Hekatonkheires, and Thanatotic. From those bestiaries the Titans rebelled against the gods, were betrayed by the Elysian titans, and banished from Material Plane. The Fomorian and Thantotic were banished to the Abyss, the Hekatonkheires were banished to the furthest reaches of the multiverse (same place Zon-Kuthon went?).

I like the idea of at least one Titan has escaped and is either trying to destroy the world or pull worshipers from the gods to himself. In greek myth there are the Tyrants, which are like kings, but what if the Tyrants were actually Titans.


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Evan Tarlton wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
Abadar, Desna, Irori, Lamashtu, Pharasma, Sarenrae, and Shelyn all seem like safe bets since they are in the Dragon Empires as well.
Actually, Sarenrae is a lock. She's the chief goddess of the Padishah Empire. I like the list you have, and I would add Asmodeus and Rovagug to boot.

Good call on both of those. Rovagug is a must in Casmaron. Gorum is one I was thinking about to use for Sparta, but I think that god should be more lawful.


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I am not sure pulling an entire other earth pantheon whole sale is a good idea. I think it worked for the Egyptian one since they are all anthropomorphic.

Also remember that the rumor is that like the Dragon Empires, Casmaron will have a different core 20 deities. I would guess most of the newer gods, except for Irori won't have a place in Casmaron. Abadar, Desna, Irori, Lamashtu, Pharasma, Sarenrae, and Shelyn all seem like safe bets since they are in the Dragon Empires as well.


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FormerFiend wrote:
The problem I have with directly correlating Gorum to Ares is that at least in the Athenian version of the myths - which is what everyone goes with - Ares was a coward.

I think the whole point though is to play fast and loose with those myths. Paizo doesn't make products that directly copy them. However they take the standard troupes and put their own twist on them and tie them to their world. So there is no reason you can't tweak the myths so that the God of War isn't a coward.

You almost have to tweak them since very few of the Golarion gods are CN and most of the Greek ones are.


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Also is am thinking of doing Abadar as the main god for the Athens analogue. Then you can have a Gorum Abadar conflict for Athens vs Sparta.


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Set wrote:

Lots of 'classical' monsters. Chimera, harpies, manticores, hydras, titans, satyrs, Pegasi, medusa, minotaurs, etc.

Instead of having the Greek gods, like the real world Egyptian gods showing up in Osirion, perhaps the Golarion gods could be 're-envisioned' along the lines of the Greek gods.

Gozreh -> both Zeus (sky) and Poseidon (sea)
Iomedae -> Athena (wisdom, craft, battle)
Erastil -> Artemis (the hunt)
Gorum -> Ares (war)
Sarenrae -> Apollo (healing, the sun, prophecy)
Torag -> Hephaestus (the forge, fire)
Kurgess -> Herakles (strength)
Cayden Cailean -> Dionysus (drunkenness)
Shelyn -> Aphrodite (love, beauty)
Calistria -> Hera (jealousy, rulership)
Pharasma or Abadar? -> Hades (the underworld, wealth)
Urgathoa -> Hecate (magic, witches, the moon)

I think I might be a little looser with the god to god comparison, but there are some definite easy ones on here. For example, Gorum to Ares is a no brainer, but I think there are places where you could replace say Hera with Lamashtu (or even Aphrodite as they did with the Baphomet story in Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth). Also the Golarion gods are a bit more defined to an alignment then the greek gods would have been.


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
pmg chicken tastes like dinosaur!

Jude has dinosaur chicken nuggets so yes it does.


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So I have been doing some thinking about Iblydos of late. We know that despite what was in the first Campaign Setting book, James has said that Iblydos is a currently active country. I like the idea of it being in the Classical Period of Greece. Thus all of the ancient myths can be mined for ideas for past history. Not to mention you can do the story of the minotaur as the first minotaur and still have minotaurs across Golarion.

Cities
Democratic economic powerhouse
Dual king military society (Gorapolis)
City that is the home to a periodic athletic event
City with a major Oracle


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xavier c wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
James in the Baphomet article in Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth, it mentions that Baphomet was born out of a vile act of the Demon Queen. Is that Lamashtu or someone else? Also is it safe to assume that act was something similar to Pasiphaë and the Bull?
Lamashtu is the Demon Queen. That's one of her titles, along with Mother of Monsters and a few others.
Any hint on what the vile act was?
Monster Sex?

I actually like the idea of twisting the myth so the queen does something, and the king is cursed to lust after a cow.


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does this look like Adam?


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James Jacobs wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
James in the Baphomet article in Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth, it mentions that Baphomet was born out of a vile act of the Demon Queen. Is that Lamashtu or someone else? Also is it safe to assume that act was something similar to Pasiphaë and the Bull?
Lamashtu is the Demon Queen. That's one of her titles, along with Mother of Monsters and a few others.

Any hint on what the vile act was?


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Arrived home safe and sound around 3:00 am CDT this morning. My son is back at his school.

Took the dog to the dog park this morning. He had lots of fun with his dog friends and was quite worn out by the end.

And you are still nuts. ;) it was fun hanging out again, even if a majority was spent chasing Jude.


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James in the Baphomet article in Herald of the Ivory Labyrinth, it mentions that Baphomet was born out of a vile act of the Demon Queen. Is that Lamashtu or someone else? Also is it safe to assume that act was something similar to Pasiphaë and the Bull?


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Gorbacz wrote:
Zesdead wrote:

...maybe...but it seems odd to me that Paizo are releasing a regional CS book that isn't tied in with an AP...I can't think of any other examples...unless of course we are getting two regional CS books associated with Hell's Rebels (the second one being an, as yet unannounced Cheliax book)...

I expect we have a while to wait before we get any confirmation either way on a Cheliax book...

Well, the Absalom book wasn't associated with any AP.

And I think there's no Andoran at all in Hell's Rebels. What I do suspect is that since Paizo did a CS line Osirion book and is pretty much 99% sure to do a Cheliax book, they'll be releasing Andoran, Qadira and Taldor books, too.

Which is great news, because several of those badly need an update and cleaning up.

This! The talking bag beat me to this thought. :)


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Zesdead wrote:

Indeed, but the campaign setting book for an AP's region 'normally' precedes the map folio for the AP that comes before...('The Worldwound' preceded 'Reign of Winter Map Folio' when Wrath of the Righteous started, 'Osirion, Land of Pharaohs' preceded the 'Wrath of the Righteous Map Folio' when Mummy's Mask started, etc). And 'Andoran' precedes the 'Giant Slayer Map Folio'...so making a huge leap of faith, I think 'Andoran' is the campaign setting regional book for Hell's Rebels...

...all wild conjecture of course but that's what the Internet is for!!!!!

Nope, and here is why the Andoran book is due in March, the CS book for June will be the one for the new AP. We have the Jan, Feb, Mar, May and July releases listed. Since May is a HC there won't be an April book. I assume the June book will be for Hell's Rebels and will be set in Cheliax or about Cheliax.


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Congrats Badgah!!!!


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James Jacobs wrote:
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Hi Mr. Jacobs

I am about to start a game with Earth connections and wanted to get a little advice. So the story for at least one character is that he was investigating some kidnapping cultists that worship a Golarion specific God and because of some ritual he got sucked into Golarion so.

What God from Golarion would have evil plans for other worlds, or should I go with a Great Old One?

Do the years on Golarion and on Earth sync or is time different on the two worlds?

How should I handle Languages? Weapon proficients? Skills? Seems like some one who grew up on Earth should have different things?

Thanks for reading it

Check "Rasputin Must Die" out for how Golarion syncs up with Earth.

And as for deities... I'd go with a deity that's worshiped on both worlds. The Great Old Ones work, but so would Asmodeus or Lamashtu or some oft he archdevils or demon lords.

And the Ancient Osirian gods.


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Tacticslion wrote:

It's baffling to me, though, how often the mistakes are made.

It's like some sort of weird self-fulfilling thing.

Prepared casting is far less intuitive to me, always has been.

The consistent misapplication of things in psionics is just... bizarre.

I do suspect that there's at least a mild amount of confirmation bias, however, in the misunderstanding of the rules, at least in many cases: you expect it will be broken, thus when you find incomplete rules (and skip over the parts that complete them) it becomes broken.

I'm quite certain that's not all the ideas, but it certainly seems to hold some weight in a number of instances from what I've witnessed.

It is usually this simple. Player wants to play psionicist. Player half reads the rules, either ignoring or missing the max PP/power chart. (in fairness it is pretty small). GM barely looks over the rules. Player starts playing and novas over and over. GM banes psionics, because they are broken.

GM will now not buy any psionic rules because they are all broken (and this may still be from 1e or 2e, where they were broken).

Paizo can now not sell enough books with power points to fund the investment that they put into a book, so Dreamscarred does it. (Their overhead on producing a book is much lower so they don't have to sell as many to make money) Paizo instead does something that uses the already existing rules that everyone has been using for 40 years. :)


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Tacticslion wrote:
Finn Kveldulfr wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Finn Kveldulfr wrote:
Haven't played with DSP Psionics in Pathfinder. In 3.5, depending on who was playing the Psionic-- it came off as either not powerful enough to keep up, or (more commonly) brokenly over-powered to the point of "why would anyone bother playing anything but a psionic?"

I can say with every confidence based off the bolded part that whoever was doing that was playing them wrong and/or ignoring rules. Psionics in 3.5 is not overpowered. (Psionics in 3.0 on the otherhand was a brilliant, but very deeply, deeply flawed system.)

EDIT: for clarity

Your experience was clearly different from mine. I wasn't the group expert on psionics, but I know the player who was doing it (the brokenly overpowered side, not the underpowered side of effects)-- he was, and now in PF, generally still is, probably the best one I know for finding the killer combinations and superior builds, but he is scrupulously intellectually honest and doesn't go around ignoring or breaking the existing rules-- so I still believe that while he may have taken maximum advantage of what was there, he didn't make anything up or cheat; he just used what was in fact in those rules to maximum effect, and it worked far better than the things I saw this same player do with wizards and sorcerers in 3.5.

Fortunately when he's the GM, he does not turn these talents to maximum lethal effect on the players, but rather sticks to presenting us with challenging but not insurmountable encounters.

Yes, but what you're describing is not possible.

If someone has perfect and equal system mastery, then a prepared 3.5 caster is going to outpace any 3.5 psionicist 100% of the time.

It isn't possible in 3.5 to perform the disparity of power, presuming equal optimization, that you describe in the direction that you describe.

Hence, either house rules were at work, he's just better (personally) at psionics and everyone else in...

And this illustrates the problem with the power points vs spell slot issue. I did a bunch of research into this issue a few years ago. The system requires not only the players but the GM to learn an entirely new system. For it to be used in an AP it would require a large number of extra words to explain how everything works.

It isn't that the system is not balanced anymore it is that it requires some level of system knowledge that people often don't have.


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I was going to make the "Penultimate" reference but it has already been done.

If your goal was to get on Sebastian's "List"

I am a proud member!


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I need fresh cookies.


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Vudra

Mythic Iblydos

Arcadia

Taldor


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James Jacobs wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
So after we get psychic magic, Paizo can do the Casmaron Gazetteer, right?

Just because we can doesn't mean we will... but yes. In the same way that now that we have Mythic we can do something with the Test of the Starstone.

One allows the other, but does not GUARANTEE the other.

Understood, but it does allow the possibility which is cool. Plus my guess is we will get Occult Origins in the Player Companion line with either some Vudra or Jalmeray elements. And I know that isn't announced yet, and you can't actually say anything about it.


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Was it diabolist from Cheliax?


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
(Fist bump to fellow "oh-sixer" -- although you have even me beat by half a year!)
I blame Heathansson.

Many people do.


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So after we get psychic magic, Paizo can do the Casmaron Gazetteer, right?


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Brandon Hodge wrote:
I got to meet Mikaze!!!

I meet him last year, I could have arranged this then. ;)


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Katina Mathieson wrote:
Gary: everything is about self control when you're trying not to kill all humans

He failed again didn't he?


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Cheapy wrote:

It's happening!

Remember that time Iron Gods was announced right before April 1st? Guess it wasn't a joke!

I guess technically August is right before April 1st, since that was when this was announced. :D


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DEAR GOD!! Do you not know the hell you have unleashed. First rule of chat don't click Karelzarath's links.


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Orthos wrote:
WTF? What requires that much paper?

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