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Hey everybody!

Between my packed panel schedule here at Paizocon and only being able to access the internet on my phone, my posting ability is super limited until Tuesday, but I'm reading all of these comments! I'm really excited to see so many people enthusiastic about Starfinder. It's a crazy-awesome project, and I'm totally thrilled to be leading it, so I look forward to taking about it with you more once I've got access to a keyboard again. :)

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Any news on whats coming out next yet?

Not quite yet! Stay tuned!

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Alayern wrote:
Authors: Are there any technical books about writing (punctuation, style grammar, the business side) that you believe helped you significantly as a writer?

Far and away the most useful to me was The Complete Idiot's Guide to Publishing Science Fiction, by an at-the-time-not-super-famous Cory Doctorow. I also remember finding a lot of great inspiration and important things to consider in Stephen King's On Writing and Orson Scott Card's How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy.

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Chris A Jackson wrote:
DM Mathpro wrote:
Chris A Jackson wrote:
DM Mathpro wrote:
Another question for Mr. Jackson(slow day at work): Would you be surprised if you saw Pirates Honor/Promise/Prophecy fan fiction pop up on the internet?
Not really... I would also not be offended if someone chose to write some... Why, did you find some?
No but all through my listening to Pirates Prophecy my muse was striking to write some. Not sure what the rules are for fan fiction containing Paizo owned characters though.

Might ask Sutter that question...

I love that audio also.

Folks are allowed to write all the fiction with our characters that they want, they just can't make money off it. Fan-fiction is totally great, and in fact both Wayfinder and Pathfinder Chrnoicler are communities dedicated to it!

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The forthcoming novel Liar's Bargain has a fair bit of Nirmathas/Molthune action: http://paizo.com/products/btpy9ip6?Pathfinder-Tales-Liars-Bargain

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Audiobooks totally count!

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DM Mathpro wrote:
If you guys were to see your novels turned into a movie who would you like to see play your main characters? Really interested in seeing Chris's response to this but its for anyone/everyone.

Naveen Andrews as Salim!

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GeraintElberion wrote:
(Valeros, for instance, has definitely regressed) sonce Zub left the line.

I'm actually really curious about this. Where did you feel Valeros was heading, such that you now feel he's regressed?

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Marco Massoudi wrote:

You did a great job there, James!

Same goes to Eric and Wes.

Since you "real Pathfinder writers" took over the comics, it is much better in terms of story and i have been noticing the accurate spellcasting since issue #1 of Hollow Mountain.

I hope there will be more?!

There will definitely be more. :D

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Luthorne wrote:

1) What are three of your favorite real world mythologies, and what do you like about them?

2) What are some of the first books you can remember reading as a kid?

3) Which do you like more, Triaxus in winter or Triaxus in summer?

I absolutely don't mind people throwing in their own thoughts. :)

1) Hmm... while I really like learning about new mythologies, I'd say that the ones I return most to are pretty classic, simply because they're what I could find information about when I was a kid.

Far and away, my favorite mythology is Judeo-Christian, especially the oldest-school versions... there's just something about angelic rebellion, the book of revelations, and the speech patterns we've all internalized from the scripture that really appeals to me. Everything about it just feels really creepy to me. (Ironically, the parts involving Jesus are the ones that interest me the least... I'm most intrigued by the old stories in which humans are basically just pawns for giant unforgiving forces.)

After that... I think Norse mythology is really cool, just because the gods are all kind of jerks who don't really care about humanity. And while Greek/Roman mythology is interesting and I've read a ton about it over the years, I'm going to have to give the third spot to Egyptian mythology, for simply having awesome aesthetics in their art :D

2) If you want to go waaaay back, probably IF I RAN THE CIRCUS by Dr. Seuss. But in terms of novels... I loved the Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia C. Wrede, Jurassic Park, the Guardians of the Flame series by Joel Rosenberg... those were all around 2nd or 3rd grade, I believe.

3) Triaxus in summer, probably. If only because I've already written about Triaxus in winter, and thus it holds more unknowns. :) But also, summer allows a much larger variety of environments, rather than having everything snowed over constantly, and it's cool to have that palette to play with. (That said, I already set it in winter, so clearly I like that version as well!)

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:

They're not gray, they're distinguished...

You @#$%.

We're all identifiable by our little writing tics. Jacobs EMPHASIZES in ALL CAPS, Jason says "a host of," I mention Wes's gray hair... It's just part of our individual charm.

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Dragon78 wrote:
What kind of life forms could live on a tidally lock planet near a black hole?

I feel like Luthorne has probably got you covered there—he's put more thought into the idea than I have. :)

That said, I agree that, presuming the nearest start is far away, you'd have creatures that are getting their energy primarily from tidal heating, and thus looking to things like deep-ocean creatures around geothermal events is a really good start, rather than the sorts of photosynthesis-dependent creatures we're all used to.

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Luthorne wrote:

Yeah, but Ringworld was artificially created...though artifically created worlds are also pretty awesome.

And obviously, death matches are always the kindest option.

So, how would you feel about a planet that was flung away from its original host star due to an unstable orbit, wound up finding a black hole and managing to enter a stable orbit around it, and tidal heating from the insane gravity of the black hole heated its interior enough to melt its oceans and result in life thanks to thermal vents from geothermic activity? I know, insanely unlikely, maybe even impossible, but! I-it's cool, right?

APPROVED!

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ulgulanoth wrote:
James, what do you think of the idea that each galaxy has a different planner cosmology?

In Pathfinder we assume that all the galaxies are part of the same cosmology, but I think the opposite approach is just as interesting! It lets you tell some really weird, interesting stories that the consistent approach doesn't.

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Luthorne wrote:

Have you heard about torus-shaped planets? We haven't found any yet, but apparently the math suggests that if a planet had enough spin, to provide the centrifigal force to balance out the gravity, hypothetically it could form into a torus rather than a globe. I'd heard about it a bit back, but If Planets Were Donuts by Artifexian had me intrigued in it as a possibility for a location, given the speculation involved. Of course, it is kind of unlikely, but it's fun to think about.

I also liked Other Planetary Systems and If Earth Had Rings by the same individual. Anyways, thought of you thanks to all the love you gave Distant Worlds and thought you might be interested in viewing the videos, even if they lean towards hard science...I certainly found it interesting to consider. A setting with a hot jupiter that has three to five habitable moons (possibly even one of them being a toroid) seems particularly fascinating to me, and reminds me of Bretheda in particular...a shame we probably won't get any more information anytime soon about it, but I understand most people are more interested in Golarion.

Now that that's done, on with the questions!

1) So, what do you think about the notion of a toroid planet with life on it in a fantasy or science fiction setting? Interesting, or just too weird/silly?

2) If you were told by your superiors you could start work - with the assistance of others, of course - on a hardcover on par with the Inner Sea World Guide to cover any one of the planets in Golarion's system - excluding Golarion, naturally - as a setting in its own right, which planet would you pick, and who would be some of the people you'd most want to help you work on it? Focusing on just a part of one of the worlds is fine...

1) Seems awesome to me! And hey, we've already had Ringworld and things around in the genre for a long time, so people are probably used to it.

2) Oh man! This is a hard one. Off the top of my head, I think I'd be choosing between Verces, Triaxus, Akiton, and Castrovel. In the end, though, I think Triaxus is probably the best standalone setting, just because of the dragon-riding!

In terms of who I'd want working with me—honestly, everyone in the editorial department is here because they have awesome ideas. Plus picking just a few publicly would be a pretty jerky thing for me to do. So instead, maybe I'd just have them all fight to the death to see who's most passionate about the project, and decide that way. That's kinder, right?

3) Black holes ('cause duh), tidally locked worlds, tidally heated worlds.

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DubiousYak wrote:

I had listened to another PF Tales Novel and was disappointed.

This was free though so I have it a try, and I am glad I did. I promptly bought Redemption Engine.

Mr. Sutter, is it just me or do you like the planar weird?

I felt it strong enough that these books made me want to go back and play Planescape: Torment.

Glad you liked it! And I *love* the planar weird—it's pretty much the whole reason for Salim's existence. "What would be a cool character that would let me show off the planes?" is the question that got the ball rolling on those books. :)

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Haladir wrote:

I bolded the things in the poem that might be creatures of some sort...

Jabberwocky
by Lewis Carroll

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogroves
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that scratch!
Beware the Jub-Jub Bird and shun
The furmious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand,
Long time the manxome foe he sought.
Then rested he by the Tum-Tum Tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tugley wood
And burbled as it came!

One! Two! One! Two! And trough! And Through!
The vorpal blade went 'snicker-snack!'
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
Oh, frabjous day! Callou! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogroves
And the mome raths outgrabe.

(Recited from memory... I may have gotten a bit of that wrong.)

BTW, this poem is the original source of the term "vorpal sword."

Gary Gygax was a big fan of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass, hence the inclusion of the vorpal sword magic item in the original D&D game.

(Also see the AD&D modules EX1: Dungeonland and EX2: The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror.)

The jubjub bird and bandersnatch are indeed Tane, and have already been statted in the Bestiaries!

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Slithery D wrote:


The Redemption Engine falsely pretended that outsiders (no special exemptions for archon or angel subtypes) don't have to breathe. Can we please get a rewrite of that underwater scene in the library and a replacement copy?

Answer:

Spoiler:

You'll notice that in that scene Roshad/Bors/Salim *also* don't have to breathe. That's because anyone in the gondola is affected by the same water-breathing magic—or at least, anyone who doesn't detect as evil.

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darth_borehd wrote:

I was intrigued by the Tane like the Jabberwock. I noticed that Bestiary 5 didn't feature any new Tane.

Are we going to get more in a future book or at least learn more about them?

Maaaaaybe. Stay tuned. :)

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Zhangar wrote:
Nah, Salim's right

I'ma tell him you said that.

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Thanks, everybody! Really glad you're enjoying the books. :)

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Just to clarify and add to what Jacobs was saying—the atheists/dystheists/god-rejectors have something of a choice when they die. Some of them, the true hard-liners, reject not only the gods but the idea of judgment entirely (what right does Pharasma have to stick them somewhere?) and instead hang out in that giant graveyard for eternity. Think of it like a political protest—a postmortem sit-in on the spire.

That said, most folks who were anti-gods in life would probably spend eternity someplace nice and in accordance with their values (i.e. their alignment), and so go ahead and accept judgment and move on to the appropriate plane. That doesn't mean they suddenly have to serve a god—there are plenty of folks on the planes who aren't sworn servants of a particular deity.

Note as well that the above is talking about folks who *reject* the gods. Agnostics and other folks with not-so-clearly-defined religious preferences just go to the plane that suits them—you don't always have to choose a specific god to go to a particular plane (though if they're rulers of that plane, you may still have to obey their rules in general terms).

Hope that helps!

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Harkevich wrote:

I don't know how Canon Death's Heretic is

ALL THE CANON. :D

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Alayern wrote:
James Sutter wrote:

B) Yes! It's probably easier that way, honestly. There are tons of awesome online publications where everyone works remotely. Just look up cool online magazines and follow their links to *other* cool online magazines, and you'll find somewhere interesting that responds favorably to your offer to read slush! (Some of my favorites are places like Lightspeed, Nightmare, Beneath Ceaseless Skies, Escape Pod/Podcastle/Pseudopod, and so on.)

With Lightspeed closing its slush pool "indefinitely" recently I was wondering: do you have any other favorites/suggestions besides the ones above?

Hmm! Let's see: Shimmer, Clarkesworld, Intergalactic Medicine Show, and Apex Magazine.

Honestly, I've been out of the short fiction game for a little while, so I'm not 100% current, but those places have all done great work!

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Slithery D wrote:


Initial impressions: I'm amused that Dhucharg and Ular Kel, but no others, have nicely rounded population numbers. I guess they use census estimations rather than exact counts like everyone else.

Yeah, population statistics are weird. I prefer to round because (perhaps ironically) it feels more accurate and "real" to me. People are constantly being born and dying in a city, so the bigger a settlement gets, the harder it is for me to believe a number that's exact all the way down to the individual citizen. While you can say the book is a snapshot of a given moment, and thus have that level of specificity, it just feels weird to me to give a number that will begin changing the moment the game begins.

Other people have different approaches, and that's cool too. This is just an explanation of how my brain works!

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Liegence wrote:

Our entire group has been enjoying Shattered Star, particularly Kaer Maga. Just based on the rumors the Pathfinders knew the Asylum Stone was going to be something unlike anything they had ever seen. From the moment they surfaced after their jaunt through the Halflight Path they absorbed the sights. They were hesitant to pay for a guide at first, but after Gav gave them the speech about how they may be new to they city but they're nothing new to Kaer Maga they were willing to shell coin for the street urchin/philosopher-king's services.

They took in all the sights (most direct from City of Stranger "Seen on a Street Corner") - watching orc slavers haggle, gnome children in kites, the brothel with its very odd, clearly undead, patrons (the priestess of Pharasma was quite taken aback that this was allowed to be), a knife-fight all but ignored in the otherwise beautifully adorned streets of Oriat, etc.

But the one that put them over the edge... The half-orc, himself an orphan, heard while passing through the Warrens of Mother Millie's orphanage. They didn't stop at first, it wasn't until they split up to visit their own places of interest that he returned to the Warrens. He was intrigued by a half-orc matron looking over the cities lost children. After surveying her workhouse, he wasn't as put-off by the "less-than-stellar" conditions - but was actually moved to contribute. After donating 50g to Millie herself, she palmed him a small dog-like figurine with three-eyes in thanks.

Proud of his act of kindness (and with zero ranks in knowledge religion) he returned to the group. As they bantered in the Sorry Excuse about what they saw, he showed off the trinket Mother had passed to him after making his donation. The cleric and the paladin went immediately pale-face.

The only orphanage in sight - indeed, the only place where the group had seen anyone caring for anyone else... And she's a damnable priestess of Lamashtu!

That was the straw that broke the resolve of the Pathfinders - that's...

Loving all of this. :)

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Will Huston wrote:
So your issue of Pathfinder: Origins was my favorite (I just got them this week). It was a very interesting take on a paladin. Any interesting stories about playing a paladin from you?

Thank you! I really wanted to show that a paladin (and especially Seelah) could be a champion of righteousness while also being an understanding, relatable person. So often people play paladins as jerks, or at least really stiff and awkward, and I wanted to show that LG can be (and perhaps *should* be) much more like somebody you'd want to get to know. :)

And as for playing a paladin—I actually can't remember any! I'm sure I did when I was younger (I used to make new characters practically every game when I was a kid), but it's not a class I've spent a ton of time with as an adult... which is one of the reasons it was so much fun to write Seelah!

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Simeon wrote:
I'm running an Iron Gods game for a group of 11/12 year olds. Any advice on how to keep them engaged?

Fight things! Shoot things with lasers! My memory of roleplaying at 12 was that it was pretty much all about the combat and the excitement of seeing what monster's just around the corner. Overall, my best advice is just to observe them as you play—if they start getting distracted, skip past whatever you're doing and bring on the next thing you think they'll like. (This is how I run for adults as well!)

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Paris Crenshaw wrote:
I'm currently listening to James Sutter's The Redemption Engine, and Ray Porter's voice has taken some getting used to. I'm finally getting to the point where I enjoy it, but I never would have figured that there were so many people in Kaer Maga with an Irish-sounding accent. Salim's accent is often hard to place and seems to have a strange mix of Irish and Arabic or Hindu. Generally, I don't mind the odd mixtures, though, because it helps break Golarions nations away from their real-world analogues a little bit.

Yeah, accents are hard, and not everyone's going to be able to do all the different accents a given book might need. (Salim's definitely *not* Irish!) But Ray has a great narrating voice, which is the most important thing to me, so I'm happy!

(If you want to hear what Salim actually sounds like, just go watch Naveen Andrews as Sayyid on LOST. :))

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Feedback is always useful! Not all of our choices will work for everyone, but it still helps us to know folks' tastes and reasons. And the fact that you'd buy a Salim book over a Weis and Hickman novel is a pretty huge compliment, so thank you. :)

The prices at the moment are set by necessity, but as far as the DRM goes, there are definitely options other than Kindle format—do places like Barnes & Noble, the iBookstore, etc. work any better for you?

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Anguish wrote:


Incidentally, since we're on the topic of the Tales line, anything in the works by oh... say... James Sutter? Or, I guess... DAVE GROSS? <Grin> I admit I've been kind of neglecting paying any attention to the line since last year's changes, because, well, all of the reasons a bunch of people checked out of that hotel.

We're always scheming. :) Right now the big news for me is that Death's Heretic is free on Audible until next week at audible.com/deathsheretic. But in terms of what's coming up in the line, I've actually got some new (to us) authors coming up that I'm really stoked about, as well as new books from folks like Chris Jackson, Tim Pratt, and Liane Merciel. It's a pretty exciting time for the line. :)

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doctor_wu wrote:

Would you want to write a Neila avanory novel?

Am I the first person to ask you this?

You're the first person to ask for a solo book! Though lots of people have asked to see her come back.

As it turns out, I really want to bring her and Salim back together in a third book, because she's been up to a lot of interesting things since Death's Heretic, which will result in a very different dynamic than Salim would expect... :D

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JohnHawkins wrote:
As far as I can tell this only applies to customers who buy via audible.com, which means none american customers do not have access to the audible book offer.

I know it's at least available through Audible's UK site, and probably others as well, you just have to search for it on your country's localized instance of Audible.

Conversely, I hear you can sign up and grab it via your browser's Incognito Mode.

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Alleran wrote:
"Lawful ShutUpMark" .

It should be noted that this is the alignment of many of us here at Paizo as well. If you cast detect shutupmark in the Paizo offices, you'd be overwhelmed by the auras everywhere.

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Therrux wrote:
Hey James would you ever consider making the first pathfinder chronicle into a pathfinder tale?

For the most part, we tend to focus on stories set in Golarion's present, simply because it lends to the sense of immediacy. That said, "why is X that way?" stories are also fun, so I'd certainly consider it!

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Rysky wrote:

Came here after asking the Directorsaur if you and him had ever talked about doing a collection of short stories in the Tales line.

Is that something you would be interested in?

A short story anthology is something we've always wanted to do, but they're just really hard to sell in the current fiction market. That said, for several years we were able to get away with publishing short Pathfinder Stories for free online, and they're all still up there!

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captain yesterday wrote:
Do you watch Drunk History.

I watched two episodes, and it was hilarious!

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Thanks everybody! (And yeah, Death's Heretic is currently missing from the landing page—they say they'll add it as soon as the promotion's over.)

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Just dropped in to cackle and twiddle my fingers.

Hermea: Teach the controversy.

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Dragon78 wrote:

I agree with everything you just said about movie:)

Have you seen any interesting TV shows?

See my notes above about Game of Thrones and Sherlock! Other than that, I just started Carnivale, which I'm enjoying as much as everyone around Paizo said I would. :)

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Rysky wrote:
Speaking of mustache-twirling, have you watched any Epic Rap Battles of History?

Not yet! I'm sadly so busy these days that I have a "youtube to watch" section of my to-do list app. :P

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James Sutter wrote:
Alayern wrote:
To All the authors: What was the biggest/coolest thing you bought with the money from your first novel?

Honestly, I probably just invested it. I'm boring like that. :P

(Then again, our honeymoon wasn't that long afterward, so... let's say the wedding and going to New Zealand. :D)

EDIT: The money went *toward* wedding and honeymoon, rather than paying for them outright. I'd have to be doing significantly better than I am if I could make that much money off one novel. :P

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Alayern wrote:
To All the authors: What was the biggest/coolest thing you bought with the money from your first novel?

Honestly, I probably just invested it. I'm boring like that. :P

(Then again, our honeymoon wasn't that long afterward, so... let's say the wedding and going to New Zealand. :D)

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Duncan7291 wrote:

Finished listening to the book and have started Redemption Engine. It is well written with good descriptions of various game mechanics that frankly will help me as a GM describe events to my players. Characters are well thought out (mostly - there is one priest whose motivations are a little too simplistic given the scope of what he does). I enjoyed the novel and the narrator (as evidence by the fact I bought the follow-up novel and I'm listening to it now). Overall 4 stars out of 5.

EDIT: also posted review on Audible.

Yay! Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the review!

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Dragon78 wrote:

Seen any movies lately? If so what did you think?

I'm woefully behind on my movie-watching! The last one I saw was The Force Awakens. My potentially contentious thoughts here:

Spoiler:

I enjoyed it, but I found myself resenting that it was basically a reboot instead of a sequel—so many story beats and scenes were stolen outright from the original trilogy that it just felt like a rehash (albeit a totally fine one). I think I understand why they were doing it—so that new fans who saw only this movie would still share most of the key nostalgia points with old-time fans without having to watch movies released decades before they were born. And I'll totally forgive that if it means that, having laid that necessary groundwork, they can now go make a ton of new Star Wars movies that do interesting new things. But it means that I won't really feel like I've seen a *new* Star Wars movie until the next one comes out. I hope. :P

Also, the bad guy speech before the firing of the planet-killer was a little painful. I don't have a lot of tolerance for unexplained evil anymore, and I felt like 5 minutes from a Game of Thrones writer could have easily given the new bad guys a compelling reason for doing what they're doing. (There are PLENTY of logical reasons to want a new empire, and even to justify what they're doing to achieve it, but the film went instead for unexplained mustache-twirling evil, which just feels sloppy and uninteresting to me.)

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captain yesterday wrote:

What's your favorite f+#*ing t.v. show right now?

What's your favorite f$+%ing instance of f%#+ing swearing in a g~!!#&n movie?
:-)

My favorite TV show right now is a toss-up between Sherlock and Game of Thrones. Both are among the best shows I've ever seen, in terms of writing and acting, though these days I'm a touch afraid that GoT might pull a Rome and just go down the rabbit hole of despair, forgetting that what makes the grim elements of shows work is the dynamic range, the contrast. Once you lose hope, grimdark just becomes painful and unsatisfying.

Favorite swearing: There's a scene in an early season of The Wire where two detectives do an entire crime scene investigation and share their conclusions using only the word "f+@*" and body language. It's a stunt, but one that the actors totally nail, making for one of the most brilliant pieces of screenwriting I've seen. :)

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

Hi James, I think I found a picture of your extended family, which one is you? Or were you the one taking the pic?

Who is the camera whore of the family?

I can never tell which is me in those pictures, but that's definitely my brother in the back—he's *way* taller than me, and much handsomer.

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mathpro18 wrote:
Do you know when the audible copy of Pirate's Prophesy will be available.

Very soon! The audio versions usually trail the print release by a little bit, and the *actual* on-sale date is tomorrow... subscribers often get the print books early just because they're special. :)

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Kevin Mack wrote:
So out of curiosity does this have any extra material/stories not found in the 6 seperate issues?

No, it's just a straight-up compilation of the 6 issues in hardback form.

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I would LOVE to do a Distant Worlds adventure path, and it's really nice to hear this kind of enthusiasm for it. Please keep banging the drum, as we all look to the boards when making these sorts of decisions. :D

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