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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Anything that creates a rift between Player, and DM, is anti-Player, and anti-DM.

Anything that creates table variation in PFS, is anti-PFS, and as such, anti-Paizo.

I am against such things.

+1

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

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Until this appears on a chart listing special materials, this will always be a table variance issue.

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I've yet to see them respond to "wall of text" FAQ requests. Pick one question and ask it succinctly.

This feat needs FAQ because I've seen two 900+ post threads passionately debate the meaning of this feat and I don't think there is anything short of a FAQ will resolve the divide between the sides.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Do Monks no longer benefit from Lead Blades?

Whether they worked at all would be table variance because of the "you are carrying" phrase. You don't carry Unarmed Strikes in many people's minds.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

graystone wrote:
Now is it "you're totally reading that rule incorrectly" or "The way I'd run it, you're totally reading that rule incorrectly"?

No, it is more like "just because you read those words to mean that doesn't mean that is the only way to read those words or even the most appropriate or reasonable way to read those words."

Basically, there may be multiple ways to read that block of text and just because there isn't a FAQ or an Errata doesn't mean you are right.

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graystone wrote:
you ... take your stance a few steps back and concede that there have and will continue to be instances where dev's don't agree

While I may be willing to say there may have been instances of disagreement.

I still strongly assert that the number of times people have thought something wasn't in agreement far the number of fingers and toes I have. Mostly because I see disagreement about what the rules say between different parties so many times. Both in the rules in the book and the statements of devs.

graystone wrote:
Official ruling go in an official place. Everything else is unofficial.

I'm totally not a fan of this stance. It works very well to potentially allow a "protection shield" against a particular interpretation of a rule. If a dev comes along and says "You totally are reading that rule incorrectly" these type of stances are effective (if permitted) in permitting someone from acknowledging their interpretation of the rules is not the one true way.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

graystone wrote:
Do you REALLY think every DEV does things 100% the same as every other DEV?

No I don't think they are hive mind or 100% right all the time, but I know more times than I can count of instances where forums posters said "these two posts contradict" when actually they don't if you understand what both posts are saying.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:

In the context of PFS:

Could normal clothing be enchanted like armor with a base AC of +0? Similar to Bracers of Armor, but in the Armor slot?

No, but the spell Magic Vestment makes them a valid target for that spell temporarily.

Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:
There's no clause if the AC is the same, so if you have the same AC between them and your armor, you can split +x enchantments between them and benefit from both.

If this is for PFS, then you should avoid trying this. You will see table variance at any table that feels your pedantic reading of the rules isn't the Rules as Written by their interpretation.

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I'd recommend Archive of Nethys over D20pfsrd. They have less mistakes and less instances of editing the words in the book for "clarity".

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Nefreet wrote:
There are many types of Performance that have an instantaneous effect. In order to do one, you must end the other. And Lingering Performance doesn't help, either.

+1

But a second bard Inspiring you would work. ;-)

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graystone wrote:
quotes from different dev's (or sometimes even the same dev) that'd say different things about the same rule.

I'd almost wager that every single time this "happened" the dev was talking about two different aspect and not saying something contradictory.

I know from my own experience, I've seen a lot of these type of things. For example, all the confusion about "there are two FAQ that say different things" nonsense that has happened in the past. Those FAQ still say the same thing today, if they did conflict they would have been changed.

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Kudaku wrote:
How scary is it?

I read most of it last night, it seemed to me to be Pathfinder 2.0 (if I could sum it up in as few words as possible.)

I did like some of the redesigns of base classes, especially the Monk.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

I've always said I think there is a general test you can do.

If the ability refers to the class, then it doesn't apply to all classes but to only that class. If it makes a statement, it applies to all.

Example:

Orc Bloodline wrote:
You gain the orc subtype, including darkvision 60 feet and light sensitivity. If you already have darkvision, its range increases to 90 feet. Whenever you cast a spell that deals damage, that spell deals +1 point of damage per die rolled.
Arcane Bond wrote:
At 1st level, wizards form a powerful bond with an object or a creature

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

If you have Bodyguard and Arcane Strike, when you take an Attack of Opportunity do you add the Arcane Strike bonus to the AC granted? You would not be able to activate Arcane Strike because it isn't your turn.

Quote:

Bobyguard

When an adjacent ally is attacked, you may use an attack of opportunity to attempt the aid another action to improve your ally’s AC.

Gloves of Arcane Striking
When the wearer uses the aid another action to improve an ally’s Armor Class, the ally also adds the wearer’s Arcane Strike damage bonus to his AC against the opponent.

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OldSmith wrote:
thank you. That is what I figured. But then I couldn't figure out why a Monk would wear brass knuckles

When I played a monk I used them for Cold Iron and Silver damage. 1d10+STR is 0 when DR was too high.

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Meiliken wrote:
I myself have to completely disagree.

There is nothing to disagree. I'm telling you there will be GMs interpreting it both ways. Since this will be interpreted both ways, you can't "prove" one way or the other is wrong.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Ultimately this is written in a way that you can expect to see table variance. You will need to go over it with your GM and see how he interprets the interaction between these.

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Two stances:
"You are protected by armor made of force."

  • It is actual armor, so you can't combine with Monk AC Bonus.

It doesn't list armor ACP/ASF/Max Dex

  • It is not armor, so you can combine with Monk AC Bonus.

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balakus01 wrote:
Any time the target takes damage from a dazing Wall of Fire the character needs to make a saving throw.

Other than reading "any time ... takes damage" to arrive at that interpretation, do you have anything to back that up? It is a fine interpretation, I'm just curious if there is anything to support it.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

I suspect you will see table variance on this (and similar) until an official FAQ/Errata comes along. I don't think this is something they will likely clarify any time soon.

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Nefreet wrote:
They *know* you've been waiting, and we *know* that they know, so really, just be a bit more respectful =).

+1

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Did you get it from levels in a class? It isn't BAB, saves, or HP? Then it is a class ability.

I'm not sure what I'm missing.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Nefreet, I'm curious. If this has came up before, who wrote much of the stat blocks in that book?

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

I remember doing Bonekeep II with a GM who wouldn't allow Take 10 on a Perception check. The 6 players tried to explain how Take 10 works, to no avail.

So we had to waste about 45 minutes of our time actually rolling dice for every square in the dungeon.

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N N 959 wrote:
then this example stands as valid.

It is valid, but how does that help?

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Nefreet wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Scarred Wanderer from the NPC Codex is one.
And I believe, since we've discussed this before, that he's the only such example.

Considering that NPC would have been written by an intern or staff tasked with making some NPC (not dev team members), we can't put much stock in why they had it to stack or not.

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blackbloodtroll wrote:

I am not saying I disagree.

I just find it really weird.

It makes more sense if you look at the page layout. I guess they couldn't think of anything more creative to put in the box.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Only able to attack with your offhand when you full attack, yes.

You may attack with two weapons if you have BAB to have additional attacks, but to attack with your offhand you need TWF or some other effect.

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As runelord said, Spellsong won't help Weird Words. It just works on a spell and has nothing to do with bardic performance other than burning rounds of your daily limit.

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Pink Dragon wrote:
paragon surge spell to obtain the maximize spell metamagic feat to qualify for that prerequisite to craft a metamagic maximize rod.

No, as you would lose the pre-req before completing the day's work.

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I'm not sure the goal of the Anti-FAQ crew. I guess if they keep this issue alive long enough they hope it will be reversed? I doubt that. There are too many people content, and not nearly enough people spitting fire mad (if any.)

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Quote:

Bonus Kitsune Feats

A kitsune may select from the following feats any time she
would gain a feat.

That means the normal level based feats. Not Fighter bonus feats or Monk bonus feats.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Find a different GM, or enjoy the game as you have it. I'd say most GM's are like your GM (Focus on what the rules say not allow.)

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I'm for the change. I like that it is simple, as complex things slow games down. Especially when there are "it works for this thing but not this identical thing" like some want with Spiked Shield etc.

I wish everyone could get on board and quit rocking the boat. ;-)

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Pretty sure Sacred Geometry is a "story" feat and not something a PC should or would take.

Unless I'm forced to allow it (say like if it is allowed in PFS) I'd be quite cross with you if you want to use this in game at a table I'm GMing.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Zanbato13, right. You will be in a land of different GM's interpreting it differently. If you wish to play with different GM's (like PFS) be prepared for both interpretations. Otherwise, has it out with your GM and see how he interprets it.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Then that shouldn't be a "default" and should be considered an outlier.

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Ascalaphus wrote:
What about the world where PFS decided to use the older scorpion whip in the Adventurer's Armory instead of the newer one in Ultimate Equipment?

PFS is effectively a GM and GM's have Rule 0 to allow them to do as they wish.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

I believe the correct interpretation (and if you prefer alternate RAW) is this:

A 5th level Paladin with Animal Ally (2nd level EDL animal) and later gains Divine Bond for an Animal Companion. His EDL will be 5th level and Animal Ally will be doing nothing.

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However if you were a 5th level Cleric with Animal Ally your EDL is 2nd. Then you gain 5 levels in Paladin and take Divine Bond for an Animal Companion. Your EDL is (5-3)+(5) = 7th. This effectively makes your Animal Companion = to your Character Level - 3 no matter how many levels you take in your Animal Companion class.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Genuinely interested in that, not continuing the argument. But whatever TOO.

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The strange thing about this was the seemingly different effects one could acquire between a 3rd level Dragoon with a Sash and a 7th level Dragoon without one.

No other place in the rules would we assume this could be true. Adding two levels of Cleric or an item that is as if two levels higher should arrive at the same values. Same for Monk and Monk's Robe.

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Ok, so settled. Dragoon 3 with Sash doesn't get Armor Training 2 unless you use an interpretation of RAW that isn't the correct interpretation.

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Rikkan wrote:
I feel that it is clear that the section above also applies to armour training.

Good fine, yes that is explicitly on point. So it covers Armor Training and not getting Armor Training 2 means you don't have it and can't get it until you have sufficient levels to gain it (which may be never.)

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Gauss wrote:
Simply put, this is the most RAW way of looking at it.

Simply put, at best we have two RAW interpretations. One that allows this to work as you say and one that says you lost the line "At 7th level gain blah" when you lost Armor Training 2.

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Gauss wrote:
Does the Sash still work for them? Absolutely. Their +1 becomes a +2.

That is where you and I differ. I say he stays at +1.

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Gauss wrote:
Durngrun Stonebreaker, you are taking that FAQ out of context. The FAQ's context is that Armor Training 2 and the level 7 advancement in the Armor Training ability are the SAME THING.
Again, the item does not advance Armour Training, it allows a character to treat his level as four levels higher.

+1 There is no different in a level 4 Dragoon with the Sash and a level 8 Dragoon without the Sash in regards to Armor Training. Neither have move in Heavy Plate. That is all the Sash does, increase your Fighter levels by 4 and since your Fighter levels are modified by your Archetype, you may get varied benefits from using the Sash if the Archetype swapped out higher level Armor Training advancement.

Gauss wrote:
cite any class ability text (not table) that uses the terms "Armor Training 2" or "Armor Training 3" or Armor Training 4". You won't find one.

The archetypes that swap out Armor Training 2 etc.

Ultimately, this doesn't sound like something that all parties can agree. So we each need to understand that both interpretations are RAW, even if we don't agree to the other interpretation.

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Chess Pwn wrote:
Gisher shows us an official source to say that armor training 2 is what give heavy armor movement.

+1 If you have traded away the Armor Training 2 then you don't get the speed reduction in Heavy Plate.

Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:

So a Dragoon with the sash would gain Armour Training 2 and Spinning Lance?

Quote:
Spinning Lance (Ex): At 7th level, a dragoon may alternate attacks with the piercing head of his lance with reach, or with the butt end (treat as a club) against adjacent targets. Unlike a double weapon, the masterwork quality and magical special abilities apply to both ends of the lance, except for those weapon special abilities that apply only to edged weapons. This ability replaces armor training 2.

The Dragoon trades away Armor Training 2 which means at 7th level Fighter the Dragoon doesn't have Armor Training with or without a Sash.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies

Everything is written with single class in mind. So anything that says "per level" or "At xth level" is specifying in that class.

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Rynjin wrote:
I don't like it. =(

Many won't like it, but it is something that has has a lot of people on both sides. It does shut down my INA + Strong Jaw Druid. But I'm on board with I was running the rules incorrectly to this point.

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Belafon wrote:
A fighter whose archetype gives up Armor Training 2 and above will not get any (armor) benefit from the Sash. YMMV.

+1

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If one is Insight and one is untyped they would stack.
If both are untyped they would not stack.

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