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RPG Superstar 2014 Marathon Voter. Paizo Superscriber. FullStarFullStarFullStarFullStar Pathfinder Society GM. 4,278 posts. No reviews. No lists. No wishlists. 9 Pathfinder Society characters.

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Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Ok, I just confirmed all my Wondrous items were from last year.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

I'm worried. I'm only seeing Wondrous Items. Was this year Wondrous or non-Wondrous?

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

I don't know that we release exactly how many entries we get. "Hundreds" is certainly a safe reply, given how amazingly broad a range it covers. "More than I expected, under the circumstances" is also accurate.

The judges won't be sharing our privileged knowledge about the exact number of entries or what percentages each type of item got. However, I have no issue with fans compiling lists during the voting process and using them to form educated approximations, as they have in years past.

Sounds like lists got the A-OK this year.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

woot

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

4 mins old and I can't find the vote link or it isn't live yet.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Are we good to release names and word count?
I'm all ready to rock and release!

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

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Malachi Silverclaw wrote:

They wrote 'On command...' for command word items.

They wrote 'At will...' for items activated by a silent act of will.

If you are using that logic, that is part of the problem.

"At Will" doesn't mean "silent act of will" but rather "no specified use limit per day".

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

I started in 1983 and I totally don't remember using it as mental activation. I keep hearing people saying this and I couldn't understand why I didn't remember any of it.

Well I know now. I just read my old 1st edition DMG. Printer on 16 May 1979.

There is not a single use of the word mental in reference to activation methods in the whole book.

The only section that mentions an activation is the "Use of Magic Items" section.

This means that if you used a Ring of Invisibility as a mental activated item in 1st edition, then you did it without a rule telling you to do so. Read Page 119 and find where I'm wrong.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

I'm inclined to think it doesn't work as Diego does, but there are a fair number of people on the other side.

There is nothing official on the subject.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

I've got a perl script I use to collect complete items, sort them automatically, and produce lists.

So if we make a thread and get the ok again this year, I can help track the name and word count of each item, the last time it was witnessed etc.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Looks like I didn't read the spell when I commented in 2009 on this necro'd thread. I looked at the spell just now for this reply.

I'm with Ravingdork. It isn't [curse] and doesn't require Break Enchantment. I'd allow Dispel Magic and Break Enchantment to remove it.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Claxon wrote:

The item doesn't fit the command word pricing nor does is fit the use activated pricing guidelines.

Really, this problem was created by the recent FAQ then, stating it had a duration. Prior to that everyone thought it was a continuous effect after it was actiavted, right?

It is command word as stated in UC at 10,800 gp and arbitrarily increased to 20,000 gp because invisibility is that good.

Pretty much my whole D&D and Pathfinder life this thing has been command word. At least all my memories have been command word. Your memories differ. That is fine. I guess we haven't played at the same table with someone with the ring. Because I'd have objected to continuous or mental activation if I witnessed it.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

It has always been my understanding there are not "similar items or similar power" issues with intelligent items. Primarily because the Intelligent item has it's own mind. It may not always use it's power the way you wish.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

You can have things in an Intelligent item that you couldn't have in a non-Intelligent item.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Intelligent items are not a direct comparison, as they have ego issues and other complications.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Weapons that give 1/day benefits are pretty rare anyway. Whether or not they add the power at 1.5 or 2.0 times isn't determined in the rules. I think their rarity alone speaks to a suggestion to not try to do these types of things in a weapon.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Gauss wrote:

What if we price it at 24hours (Extended Mage Armor with a CL of 12)?

2*12*1800/5 = 8,640gp and it is now all day long. That is 54% of normal.

Thanks Gauss for the example.

Keep in mind doing so explicitly violates rule number #1 of item creation. Price based on other items. There are other items (Bracers of Armor) that would be 16,000 gp. You may not every under any circumstance price below 16,000 gp for an item that provides constant +4 AC.

Most of the item pricing issues in the custom items arise from people jumping to the chart first instead of last after exhausting similar items and items of similar power.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

fretgod99 wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Has anyone proven if it is Command Word, or Mentally activated?
It would have to say it's mental activation. It doesn't, so it's not.

+1 and therefore it is Command Word (I assume we are talking about Ring of Invisibility)

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Calth wrote:
And that's not in question and irrelevant. A sohei 6/fighter X can flurry with any of its weapon groups and the weapon training stacks for bonus value purposes since sohei training is fighter training.

It certainly is question in this thread since it is asking about "sohei 1 fighter 2" not "sohei 6 fighter 2".

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

This will devolve into a mess.

Example of previous mess.

The Sohei doesn't get Weapon Training until Sohei 6 despite having Weapon Training from Fighter levels before that time. He may not Flurry until he has Weapon Training from Sohei levels.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

_Ozy_ wrote:
There is not even any hint in the rules of a 1/day mage armor item needing such a massive price adjustment.

We couldn't differ more.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

I didn't see the reduction in speed. yes that would be pricy.

As for AC that is strictly the kind of thing prohibited by the price by effect not by chart crafting rules. It is to prohibit things like 1/day Mage Armor for less than 16,000 gp.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

The two weapon trainings are absolutely not remotely the same except in name. Myrmidarch is talking about identical abilities.

This has been heatedly debated and locked several threads. There isn't anything new you can say to win this debate that hasn't been said already.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Avoron wrote:
If a sohei has weapon training in a weapon, it can use flurry of blows with that weapon. It doesn't specify where the weapon training has to come from. Maybe you think it should, but it doesn't.

But another FAQ does specify that abilities are written as single class. You are expanding this to work in a multi class character.

This exact question comes up about once every two months and often gets back and forth discussion. If you take the stance that it does work, then you are not likely to appreciate the implications of the single class ruling.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Yuukale wrote:
If I have weapon training from fighter and I take 1 lvl as sohei, do I get to flurry with that weapon or do I have to wait until I get sohei 6 ?

No, since the two abilities do not count the same for each other.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Keep in mind that the formulas are a last resort.

The only existing item with Shield of Faith is Key of the Second Vault and it only provides +2 or +1 if Chaotic alignment for 3,000 gp. It does also have a lock (not unlock) effect and a badly nerfed summon eagle plus an additional +2 Appraise.

Continuous +3 AC (CL 6 Shield of Faith) is set in stone and should never be cheaper than 3*3*2000 = 18,000 gp. That should be at minimum +3 AC on 1/day should be 3,600 gp. This may indicated the +1 or +2 depending on alignment is the majority of the 3,000 gp of the above item.

A lot of items have Silence in various forms, but only one had with Silence. My guess is silence isn't going to cost all that much.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

The design of this is to not share with other classes the spells that only that class has access. In other words, you shouldn't allow free access to potions of spells that only a particular class has access.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Are we really going to have another thread click up to 900 posts and get it locked over the same subject?

The ring of invisibility has a duration per activation of 3 minutes and expires immediately upon removal. That is how the rules read according to the developers and if you don't read that out of the rules, then you may consider options such as rule 0-ing it to work any way you choose in your game. But the official RAW (whether or not you read RAW that way) is that these two facts are true.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Standard since it just alters where the potion is stored.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan wrote:
happen to be the RAI and RAW answer, which makes it the PFS answer, and thus he answer you asked for.

+1

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Similar abilities are things like items with 2 charges a day and these three things each can use a charge.

Different abilities are for multiple effects that are independent.

Remember item pricing isn't always about the chart. Ring of Invisibility is 10,800 gp but raised to 20,000 gp because it is just that good.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

graystone wrote:
I'm not really curious what YOUR guess is, just what the devs where thinking. I'd rather not put words in their mouths about their intent.

That kind of thing isn't something they are much inclined to provide. The FAQ system needs to be "this is how the rules work". If you get much into the reasoning behind it, the clarity of the response is diminished. Especially if the people involved don't understand or appreciate the reason.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

graystone wrote:
I'm a bit disappointed it didn't give a reason.

It is probably because they don't like magic items being "spells in a can" except for expendable items.

So any magic item that gives you a spell can't be used like "I put blah on, use the spell, then take it off."

Basically, there is a desire to make you wear the item that grants you the benefit and not swap it in for the benefit.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Some might feel becoming a Gollum is a boon. Why reduce the cost? Long life and more!

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Woot

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Mia Rumsfeld wrote:

Winterwitch says i have to take a familiar from a select choices.

Cartomancer replaces the familiar due to getting the card deck.

Is this possible?

Both alter the familiar, so they can not be taken on the same character.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Fuse Style replaced Flurry of Blows at 1st level.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Purple Dragon Knight wrote:
I see lots of rings that say "on command". Those are command word activated. Everything else is subject to interpretation.

All rings are command word unless they say otherwise.

Gaberlunzie wrote:
Rules that add more book keeping than influence on the game are bad rules.

The Ring of Invisibility can be hand waved for most uses, until the player attempts to scout a whole castle, inform him he will have to deal with the refresh. If the refresh doesn't matter (because the duration is always less than 3 mins) then it can be hand waved off.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
I hope you don't think that this is 'ducking the question'. : )

I'm afraid I do still think this is ducking.

Rings are either command word or continuous based on the rings section. If the ring is unusual, it will indicate how to activate it. Ring of Invisibility doesn't indicate it is unusual and isn't continuous. Therefore it is command word activated.

You are quoting use activated rules, but no rings are use activated.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

form means "the visible shape or configuration of something".

Think of it this way, from 50 yards you would like like a wolf.
But on the inside you wouldn't have the same internals.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Cevah wrote:

I provided the link and text in this post above.

Again, here is the referenced text from the PRD: Use Activated
** spoiler omitted **...

Except the ring isn't use activated because you don't touch the ring to make someone invis. You also don't swing the ring about.

So you are left with "command word".

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

_Ozy_ wrote:
Btw, you know that you were indeed wrong about the ring before the year 2000...it's ok to admit it.

Wasn't wrong. 1983 to now the ring worked the same way as it does now. At will command word provides the spell. Prior to 2000 the spell had 24 hr duration or no duration.

That doesn't change my statement, that the ring is at will command word.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
You absolutely never change type.

"it's this way in this world!"

I used magic missle in a 3.5 game recently. My DM thought that DR applied to force effect damage

No where in the Polymorph section does it say it changes type. It explicitly doesn't change type, because that opens loop holes and grants significantly more power for some things than for other things.

DR only applies to damage tagged with DR types. Like bludgeoning damage in spells. If it isn't a DR type it isn't applied to DR.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

thejeff wrote:
Why, in this case or in the case of similar items with short durations but unlimited uses, is continuous valued so much more than command word?

Because you are less likely to be caught if you don't need to reactivate ever so often.

The ring was likely designed to activate to go into combat for a sneak attack with only limited stealth applications.

The fact that a continuous use item is exception for stealth is probably the reason the ring isn't continuous and is command word in the first place.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Malachi Silverclaw wrote:

'See! It is 10,800gp therefore it is command word activated!'

Er...nope. It is 20,000gp, and you can't infer anything from that.

It is 20,000 for command word activated because the price was raised from 10,800 to 20,000 because of how the item creation rules work. The item is too good for 10,800 gp.

Therefore a continuous one is too good for 24,000 gp. It would cost 60% more than the formula or more.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

Malachi Silverclaw wrote:

And that weight has you believing that it was not a 'command word' item for however many decades.

Can the arbiters of the game rules be wrong? Yes, if they contradict their own rules.

You can't understand their ruling and you apparently can't understand my responses. It has always been command word, verbal. At least as far as I ever remember the ring. The duration may have changed based on the duration mechanics of the base spell.

The devs may contradict, but they didn't in the case of these rings.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

_Ozy_ wrote:
it's my opinion as to what the Ring of Invisibility 'should be' in the rules.

Change it when you get hired to write Pathfinder 2.0. Otherwise, take it to the house rule forum section. It shouldn't be in a rules post.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

thejeff wrote:
If you were using the item with limited duration and command word before 2000, you were doing it wrong. This does not fill me with confidence in your experience.

If you were using the item without durations, you were doing it wrong. See the FAQ.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

_Ozy_ wrote:
Before the FAQ, I would have been convinced that there was no way RAI for the Ring of Invisibility intended vocal commands words every three minutes, partly because of expectations from fantasy literature. It turns out I was wrong, per the FAQ, but that doesn't mean expectation have no place in determining RAI.

You were wrong. You were also never at a table I've witnessed with the item. Every single use of that item in every example of people playing modules, scenarios, PVP tournaments, 20th level one off sessions, etc. Every use of the item since 1983 for me has been limited duration and command word or didn't use the item.

I'm not saying you are lying, just that people that viewed the item your way have not played with the item at games I've played or GMed.

Scarab Sages Owner - D20 Hobbies , Marathon Voter 2014

thejeff wrote:
It's not like any other invisibility item I can think of in the genre or in legend. From the Cap of Invisibility in Greek Myth down to Harry Potter's Cloak, all of them either worked constantly when worn or could be turned on and off.

Do you see examples in a lot of books where they tell the reader the guy driving the car is turning the steering wheel left or right? No? That is because the mechanics are not very exciting. Every example could have the concept of reactivation every 3 minutes and you the reader wouldn't know.

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