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Heathansson wrote:

re: back on topic......

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Link

This just further shows homophobia is horrible illness that needs to be stopped.

You stated that "homophobia is a horrible illness that needs to be stopped,"

then, in support of this contention, seemed to state that, yes, your professional opinion is that indeed it is a pathology.

I would posit that, given the OP, and the line of thought that continued from it, I never veered from the topic.

Instead, what I did was ask for clarification of some possibly erroneous statements in support of this initial statement.

I ernestly do not mean to be deliberately obtuse. The problem of homophobia definitely needs to be addressed. I do not think that making possibly erroneous statements about the subject is the right way to go about this.

I had intended the link to speak more than the statement. Did you watch the link?

Now I did.

re: back on topic......

Link

This just further shows homophobia is horrible illness that needs to be stopped.

You stated that "homophobia is a horrible illness that needs to be stopped,"

then, in support of this contention, seemed to state that, yes, your professional opinion is that indeed it is a pathology.

I would posit that, given the OP, and the line of thought that continued from it, I never veered from the topic.

Instead, what I did was ask for clarification of some possibly erroneous statements in support of this initial statement.

I ernestly do not mean to be deliberately obtuse. The problem of homophobia definitely needs to be addressed. I do not think that making possibly erroneous statements about the subject is the right way to go about this.

Heathansson wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Heathansson wrote:

Do you know what the diagnostic code for homophobia is?

There is none. It's more of a sociological discussion at this point. I am expressing my personal view on it.

Earlier, Jeremy Mcgillan said,

"Well by definition it is an illness I am afraid. A phobia is a mental disorder, a minor disorder maybe, but still a disorder. Phobia - (definition) An irrational fear or hatred of an object, group, or situation."

Thankyou for clarifying that point.

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further,
Jeremy Mcgillan said,
"First Wolfie, I have a masters degree in clinical psychology, so to your statement. "You do know what a phobia is, right? It's not disliking or not approving of a thing." Yes I do know what a phobia is"

And, I suppose this one as well.

Ok what is it you want? I can give you the university I graduated from if you'd like. I can even give you the name of my Masters supervisor if you want to call them. Question them about my credentials. So please back off.

So now if we can get back to the topic at hand being the "how can we solve the bullying problem". And the video presented it'd be appreciated.

I never questioned your credentials, merely the scientific veracity of your statements.

Heathansson wrote:

Do you know what the diagnostic code for homophobia is?

There is none. It's more of a sociological discussion at this point. I am expressing my personal view on it.

Earlier, Jeremy Mcgillan said,

"Well by definition it is an illness I am afraid. A phobia is a mental disorder, a minor disorder maybe, but still a disorder. Phobia - (definition) An irrational fear or hatred of an object, group, or situation."

Thankyou for clarifying that point.

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further,
Jeremy Mcgillan said,
"First Wolfie, I have a masters degree in clinical psychology, so to your statement. "You do know what a phobia is, right? It's not disliking or not approving of a thing." Yes I do know what a phobia is"

And, I suppose this one as well.

Do you know what the diagnostic code for homophobia is?

So,......homophobia......mental illness? Nope.
Not that there's anything right with it.....

"American Psychiatric Association spokesman Jason Young says the organization is not yet at the point of evaluating specific new proposals like pathological bias, but that advocates for certain DSM changes tend to proceed on independent tracks. He describes the process of adding new material to DSM like tossing things into a funnel and seeing what makes it through. At this point, he says, "we're debating more what the funnel will look like."

DSM-IV came out in 1994 and was revised in 2000. DSM-V is due to come out in 2011, in conjunction with an update of the World Health Organization's International Classification of Diseases.

For more information, see the DSM-V Prelude Project Web site at www.dsm5.org."

more here.

Essentially, there exists a continuum.
Moving out of a neighborhood that is becoming more racially diverse, though possibly "full of ass," isn't indicative of a psychological condition. But a person overly preoccupied with race,.....thinks fore example that blacks or jews are responsible for all the ills of the world has something going on there probably. Same as being a bit sad is a different game than being clinically depressed.

Wikipedia
that "scholarly treatise" *sic* breaks up the phobias into
"actual psychological conditions" and "prejudices and discrimination."

Saying "homophobia" is a mental illness because the word "phobia" is a mental disorder is the same thing as saying "hydrocephalus" is "water on the head" because "hydro" means water. I know csf has some water in it, but....

Don't say everything you think. Don't do everything you think. Be original: be yourself. Keep friends that you can trust. Be careful of new acquaintances. Don't fight with anyone, but if you have to fight, you had best win. Listen, and don't speak all the time. Take their opinion, but don't judge them on their opinion. Don't overspend on accessories. Dress nicely, not richly. People judge you by what you wear. French are snotty with Dress, so remember your stature. Neither a borrower nor a lender be. If you loan money, you'll lose friends. If you borrow money, you won't manage very well. Be true to yourself. If you are true to yourself, you will be true to others. Think of this everyday and you'll do it everyday.

I know it's corny, but....I was just brainstorming.

The p.c.'s are escorting a Baron's daughter and her maids-in-waiting through the Woods of Crystal Lake, to the Priory 80 miles hence.
Freakishly early winter storm. Valley snowed in.
And something primal stirs...in the Woods of Crystal Lake.

She senses they need help, and contacts a (gypsy travelling) medium, whose friends are all grifters, thus supplying a bit of conflict/resolution potential for roleplaying.

Yeah. re: possession//exorcism, there's usually some wrong that needs to be righted in order for the possessing entity to cut it out.

You need a little gnome lady with a creepy voice to do a seance and figure out exactly what that is.....if you can make it into some kinda riddle or mystery, so the p.c.'s have to use some brainpower to do it, then all the better.

Like......ashes, which were on a mantel in a silver urn that some wererats broke in and stole so they could melt it down and put the whack on some were......cats.....other rats......or whatever; the p.c.'s have to figure out what exactly and where the wererats ditched the ashes so's they can lay her spirit to rest. So the ghost tells the seance doing lady all this, only kinda cryptically, so it's a mystery for the party.

hope that helps!

I....have that effect on women......*goik*

Kvantum wrote:

December? Since when did this get pushed back - again? Seems like a bunch of books just got pushed back. Printer problems, or should we be concerned?

Since when it took us an additional week to get the book put together. Turns out, that one extra week was the one that moved it from November to December.

Owell;

I'm really really rly rly rly rly rly rly rly looking forward to this, but having (historically) bought a whole lot of Palladium books, well.....a month or two is nothing compared to the age of the universe or the typical real vs. hypothetical street date of a new Rifts book....
I'd also rather have a squared away product than a rush job, so....ignore my grumbling anyway.

Is there a rule that every adventure over 10th level has to include a dread wraith? Just sayin.

2 years ago a radio d.j. kinda funny guy had "face" on for an interview.
It was pretty cool.

"face" is a real blabbermouth in real life. his mouth runs on full automatic.

I wish we had more Australian stuff on t.v. here; being a gamer I like exotic stuff, and Australian stuff (I guess that which is your every day humdrum) is really interesting to me. Just the little subtle differences in the way stuff is a few thousand miles away.

Heathansson wrote:

3e came out when I turned 30. I can't memorize all this stuff any more. I got too much stuff going on, and my permanent memory doesn't imprint as well as when I was younger.

I am so there with you. By the way, all of my players are over 50, except for when one of our children happens to join us. I can't believe how much of this game these young 20-somethings can quote from memory.

At least, we introduced all our children to the grand old game.

Overheard recently:

Senior player: (after having to look something up in the Core Rules for the nth time) I miss THAC0.

Slightly younger player: Why? You never understood that either.

Senior: I didn't? Yeah, I guess that's true.

THACO I can still do. No problem.

They could do "thac20" if they wanted to....it doesn't require a rulebook ;) though there's so many more mods in play nowadays it wouldn't seem to me to make a difference.

I'm old. ish....
I think I might be apt to doing this; last time I played, though, I was heinously wupping ass and saving the day and whatnot.

Me, personally.....
I STILL remember (1e s%@+) like
chainmail ac 5
18/00 str +3h +6dmg
two handed sword s/m 1d10 large 3-18 damage.
etc...etc...
name me a monster from 1e and I'll probably remember it's hit dice.

That's the game I learned and picked up in my teens.

3e came out when I turned 30. I can't memorize all this stuff any more. I got too much stuff going on, and my permanent memory doesn't imprint as well as when I was younger.

I remember my first phone number as a kid, but not the phone number at the apartment I stayed in 7 years ago.

I remember that....
The half life of fluorine 18 is 1.82 hours.....it decays by positron emission, and the annhilation reaction releases 2x 511 keV photons in opposite directions.

The dose for cck is .02 mg/kg of patient weight.

But I just don't remember.....5 foot step; can I do that? oh yeah.
We didn't care about 5 feet in 1e. Or.....what's the a.c. of a breast plate.....how much damage does a great sword do.

But I remember my anniversary, and all of my kids' birthdays.
When I had more than 4 hours of sleep the night before.

We're rebuilding......
Trey Burton (our wildcat guy) could've put it in the endzone if Pouncey could settle down and hike the damn ball to him.
Trey is a true freshman who got 6 t.d.'s last week himself against Kentucky; I know Kentucky is unranked, but 6 t.d.'s is 6 t.d.'s.
They just need to settle the f+&& down and play the damn game.

I was rooting for Oklahoma; my wife went there, and the Gators were ranked above Ok at the time, so....;)

Are there going to be any new player character races in/for Tian Xia?
I know youse guys don't care for them and all; just curious if hengeyokai are going to get any representation and whatnot.

well my daughter did have a hankerchief on her head like the "oyyy think" guy.

I'm crying that's so sweet.

You win this time, Vaughn.

What I think might float my boat is a separate subsection for actual playtest reports.
I could at least read the first post and junk the rest, and skip the armchair actuarial analyses by laymen that would be relegated to another subsection.

Heathansson wrote:

Re: ninja in Tian Xia;

what's Paizo's official position; are they going to do one, or are they dead set against it thinking a rogue is a ninja?
Then I promise I'll shut up about it; prolly in a day or two, but I'll shut up about it, I vow it.

Ninjas shminjas heathy.

That's what I thought. Or....thought I thought.

They've been experimenting on the Arkham Residents.
I....don't think that they realize that sugar pills aren't exactly a placebo for me.

I realize I'm using the strawman, obviously. But given that my opposition is pulling out ninja abilities that I have never EVER seen associated with ninjas, I feel it's a rather appropriate response.

I also just realized, there's no class for a guy who can regenerate any damage almost instantly, has enhanced senses, unbreakable bones, and can grow claws from his hands.

Or one for a guy who shoots kinetic ruby beams out of his eyes.

Or one for a girl who can walk through walls. Although I'd probably multi-class her into the ninja class as well.

Maybe they can cover these in the tenth book of the classes collection. Big Book of Mostly Redundant Character Classes: Volume X-Men.

Lots of people were absolutely giddy about the Psylocke class they did in 3.5.

Also from the Ninja article about Kuji-kiri

"Kuji-kiri is an esoteric practice which, when performed with an array of hand "seals" (kuji-in), was meant to allow the ninja to enact superhuman feats."

So supernatural abilites (maybe with somatic components?) sounds cool.

This is what I'm talking about ninjas using a chi mechanic.

Ogay, I'll play this game.

"I think a ninja should be able to harness chi, using the same monk ability to harness chi, and with similar results, more in line with being a stealth fighter rather than a standup fighter such as the monk.
I agree that the rogue and ninja abilities are similar, but making a ninja just a subset rogue doesn't feel right.
I really don't think it will feel right from a marketing standpoint either. I have no actual scientific data to prove this, other than my own gut reaction, which has carried me a long way. I argued against numerous people back in the day that thought Pathfinder going OGL as opposed to 4e rules would be an epic blow to Paizo's bottom line. I was right then, with absolutely no proof but a gut instinct, and I'm right now. If you disagree with me now, and come back and say to me in a year that, yes, indeed, you were wrong, I'll think you have a lot of character. If you attempt to continue frittering my time away with meaningless semantics and logic games, I'll think you have ego issues.

A ninja being a subset rogue is only half the picture. I worry that doing so will neglect the subset of monk, which is an extremely important component to a viable believable ninja trope.
It boils down to the way I envision the typical rogue and the typical ninja. Saying this, I fully agree that there will also be "atypical" examples of both, but.....give me Falstaff for a rogue, or maybe Long John Silver, and give me a blank faced, dolleyed, biological robot for a ninja who has trained a childhood away and trained a lifetime away to become a consummate professional with no personality whatsoever.
Who can harness chi to do amazing things."

Blackbeard, a real life badass, had supernatural powers; he got shot twenty times, had to be actually beheaded like a immortal, and his decapitated body swam 20 times around the boat after his demise.
And I think it's telling that a badass highlander (yes, they were real) had to do the job on him with a real claymore; not a museum replica made in Indonesia. This isn't made up. There are bona fide witnesses, they just didn't have CNN yet.

Pirates: not a joke. Bad mo foes.

Borr charges to bj bk 21-22, attacking the wererat with his axe.

1d20 + 16 ⇒ (12) + 16 = 28 to hit;

damage
3d6 + 9 ⇒ (1, 2, 1) + 9 = 13

ayup.

ayup.

I don't really care if there's a ninja class or not.

I just find it kinda dumb that people are claiming we can't have any new base classes at all.

hell; just don't use the class. Why is that such a big deal.

Okay, so three people besides me want an actual ninja "class."

I haven't counted seekersofshadowlight in that tally.

Okay.

five people besides me want an actual ninja "class."

If I decide to count Seekerofshadowlight in that tally, then 5+1=6.
But seekerofshadowlight has to convince me that he actually wants a ninja "class" and that the ninja isn't just a rogue archetype.
So far, he has, time and again, espoused the opposite view.

Okay, so three people besides me want an actual ninja "class."

I haven't counted seekersofshadowlight in that tally.

Heathansson wrote:

Re: ninja in Tian Xia;

what's Paizo's official position; are they going to do one, or are they dead set against it thinking a rogue is a ninja?
Then I promise I'll shut up about it; prolly in a day or two, but I'll shut up about it, I vow it.

Ninjas are very much a part of Tian Xia. We're not yet quite ready to reveal what that actually means in game rules, though.

Thankyou.

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Richard Pett wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Since I am moving to the UK in 2011 should I be concerned/ afraid of sharing an island with the likes of Richard Pett and Nicholas Logue?

Probably. Get your shots.

Are you saying Richard bites?

We're waiting at your house already Jeremy, chomp chomp.

Chomp chomp.

Wait I don't even know where the new house is yet. Wait you have the entire city of glasgow covered?

We do.

MOAR TENTICLES! AND KILTS!!!

Yay. PRC's.

Okay.
Seekersofshadowlight does NOT want a ninja class.
I get it.

I remember on the WOTC boards somebody cobbled together a bodacious "shinobi" class for 3 or 3.5; I gotta search around for that bad hog.

I guess that if it's not going in the damn Tian Xia book, then the next thing to do is just make the damn thing, or use the Bo9s or something.

Re: ninja in Tian Xia;
what's Paizo's official position; are they going to do one, or are they dead set against it thinking a rogue is a ninja?
Then I promise I'll shut up about it; prolly in a day or two, but I'll shut up about it, I vow it.

Just my last flog at a dead horse and I'm done with it.

I've heard all the people who DON'T want a ninja class; feel free to pepper my thread with fear and loathing by all means, but know that I'm making voodoo dolls, printing out your avatar's image, pinning it to the head, and torturing the poor thing's doodads with a pliers.

Is there anybody (sides me) who wants a ninja class? Nobody wanted side treks but me, maybe I'm a minority of one here.

heh heh...

I think it would be absolute horsecrap for marketing, but nobody ever listens to me; they just tell me I was right a year or two from now.
Cassandra: it's my karma.

I also foresee this conversation.

Player:
"Cool! Tian Xia! I wanna be a ninja!!!"

DM:
"Uuuuuh, Pathfinder has decided that ninjas are just rogues in ninja suits."

Player: mystifiedly;
".....oh......"

meh....I want a ninja class that's not a "rogue in a ninja suit."

wokou pirate class

Yakuza=rogue

Ninja=Ninja.

What is Tian Xia? I have not read past the first post so I am assuming it is a Paizo's version of Rokugan(Oriental/Eastern Setting).

It's where the ninja class operates.

hensojutsu: the five ways of going
is something that's seemingly not developed by most iterations of the ninja I've seen in most rpg's besides the Bushido rpg.....