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Goblin Squad Member. Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber. FullStarFullStarFullStar Venture-Captain, Germany–Hannover. 3,225 posts (7,745 including aliases). 2 reviews. 3 lists. 1 wishlist. 15 Pathfinder Society characters. 7 aliases.


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Wait a second! Eastern boarder of Qadira? That´s where Casmaron begins, isn´t it? :D

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Slamron wrote:
I for one will be happy to learn more about Pathfinder's official rules for sandwi(t)ches.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

Official Pathfinder rules for sandwhiches, exactly what we need :D

As a not directly Inner Sea book, this gets a lot of attention from me and i do have some higher hopes for it.
It sounds pretty interesting so far.

I have to say, together with the magic item mastery feats though new magic carpets and rules for them could be a very cool thing, especially for everyone who doesn´t get to cast fly on herself.
Spring attacks from magic carpets for rogues please as well as other shenanigans!

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James Jacobs wrote:
Hayato Ken wrote:

Here´s hope Prestige Classes become a bit more flexible, so they are of use to characters coming from different entry classes, with different main stats, etc.

It´s certainly believable that members of a certain organization share some ideals, goals and also some abilities, but i think it´s totaly unbelievable when a PrC produces nearly 100% similar characters in each case or has one good and one bad entry option.
That doesn´t make sense for those organisations, since they would hinder themselves.

Prestige classes work best when they are flexible and an option for multiple classes or points of entry—in that way, they're kind of the opposite of an archetype, which REQUIRES a specific class and usually requires you to make that choice at 1st level.

In any case, these prestige classes are all designed to be attractive to multiple classes; not always divine spellcaster classes, despite the fact that each one is tied to a specific good-aligned deity.

I´m sorry to say that the New Lion Blade PrC and Enchanting Courtesan didn´t give me this impression.

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You know, Paizo does this sales every now and then where they list items under 1000, 500, 250 and 100 left.
There´s nothing indicating that sales figures from APs can´t be drawn from that. And also no AP saw a reprint besides Rise of the Rune Lords and soon Curse of the Crimson Throne in the anniversary hardback editions as far as i know.

So when Jade Regent is the second most sold out AP, it means it was (and probably is) pretty popular.
What wasn´t so popular seemingly is the Dragon Empires Primer and Gazetteer. Both books have some problems because they are compared to the very well and extensively done Inner Sea stuff, which received a lot more love. Both books are awesome and interesting though.

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James Jacobs wrote:
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Crude was hopping It was a "Pathfinder" movie script :(

Maybe they already began filming?

If Warcraft and D&D can get movies why Can't Pathfinder?

From what I've seen of the D&D movies, and what I'm hearing in advance about the Warcraft movie... I'm okay with Pathfinder not having a movie.

I can totaly second that statement!

Better skipped than badly done. I don´t think Blizzard and WoW are doing themselves a favor there.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
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A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.
Yup that´s something i was thinking too.

It has the advantage of not being a "classic" AP because of the setting and style ... while still being a "classic" story (just not in a European sense).

captain yesterday wrote:
Nirmathis and Molthune have more name recognition.

But, that's the problem. Do we need "more of the same"?

The Tian Xia stuff just doesn't sell as well. I'm sure Paizo want to cater to all tastes, but the commercial reality has to count. Dragon Empires and similar releases had many people clamoring for more because there is a passionate group of players looking for Eastern themed adventures.

However, buying one copy is only buying one copy - regardless of how enthusiastically you do so.

Yup that argument gets repeated and repeated until it is a reality of its own, mainly because it got repeated so often.

When those first books came out, things were new and fresh. Some stuff in that books isnt as good, the samurai class for example has problems untill today. Ninja is in a weird spot shared with antipaladin.

On the other hand, Jade Regent seemed to do quite well and many people think it was a great miss only the last books played in Tian Xia actually. All stuff related to Tian Xia races seems to sell quite well, Kitsune and others are common favorites. The Tian Xia stuff in the golarion city book is some of the best there. PFS scenarios with Tian Xia are really well received.
On top of that some formats have quite changed in the meantime and a lot of things are worth a revisit.

But hey, maybe that is also a generation problem. Maybe the babyboomers keep ruling this game just like the rule everything else...I mean, what was good 20-30 years ago and worked back then still has to work today right? And all those youngins are just lazy....

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Yup well deserved! Congratulations!

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Lord Fyre wrote:
A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.

Yup that´s something i was thinking too.

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


After that our #1 goal is produce a complete RPG that produces a fun and satisfying science-fantasy experience and is the best system for telling the kinds of stories we foresee people being most interested in for the Starfinder setting.

While that sounds really good somehow, what kind of stories are those exactly? A lot of people go crazy about spelljammer and dragonstar here and i´m sorry to say, i find that a bit backward. Old game repetition Nr. 23525435 gets boring, neither do i think those science-fantasy.

I´m hoping for a healthy part of advanced high tech, perhaps along with magic.

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Friendly reminder to not spoiler Iron Gods anywhere in the Starfinder forum please. There were several mentions by now of things at the end of that AP. Please put that stuff in spoiler brackets or delete it!

It really, really sucks to read something unsuspecting and then get major informations dropped in a subclause.

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Taking inspirations from Frank Herberts Dune would be a very welcome for a change! Lately many things scifi move in a very narrow stream.

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PF Online failed for completely different reasons and there were actually enough loud people around to cheer that up.
Sadly the majority of people, who tends to be rather casual most likely, and investors thought different. Current trends in online games proof them. The MMO PVP just wasn´t the right thing there it seems.

Totally different topic though and has literally nothing to do with Starfinder! I´m not worried about those aspects at all.
Indeed i have been telling some people who were stating that PF is coming to an end because they made everything and too much, that they were wrong and Paizo would surely come up with something completely new and surprising. Et voila: Served!

I am curious however how the final product will look like and how Paizo will juggle the many, many different interests.
People are already crying for very different directions and someone will be disapointed most probably. Except they make it so flexible everything goes, what would be pretty cool. But then the more restrictive, traditionalist, conservative people will be butthurt^^
Those got served a lot lately though.

Oh and perhaps, but only perhaps this could also be Pathfinder 2.0, backwards compatible in a way that you can use those rules for normal Pathfinder as well and have a fun game there.

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What would i love to see?
-Osiriani Pyramids in space!
-Stuff from Numeria and the technology guide expanded.
-Cool ship combats involving the whole party without needing to invest big parts of characters.
-Tons of more streamlining making the gameplay a lot more intuitive!
-Getting rid of tons of artifacts and inherited stuff in gameplay that turned out to be weighing down things a lot from older editions and a big step forward in awesome and fun game design^^

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
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Yeah no. The range there is so variable that the statement is actually true. The mass of items are either too specific to be of any use outside of very spedicifc circumstances or are just beaten by your typical big 6.

A good item has to be better and more interesting than a big 6 item to justify the loss of that big 6 item.

... If your goal is to be a set of numbers.

While I know some people like that, it's not the only model of play. Almost none of my PCs have all of the "big six", but instead choose items based on the character's personality - something that I don't get any "plusses" for based on what I buy.

As an aside, I would expect Campaign officers to not support such insulting comments against the publications that they get for free. People can have opinions about things being "useless", but to see support of that from a VC is... disappointing.

First of all, in my opinion that post about items being useless is kind of ironic.

Second, i never said i think any stuff is useless. I´m actually a big fan of the Pathfinder Player Companion Line and you can pretty often find me over in that forum expressing that.
Third, it´s a safe bet that anyone who is a VO invests a lot into Pathfinder and PFS what goes way beyond money, because they are great fans themselves, else nobody would do that. Time and nerves spend don´t add up in any way ;)
Fourth, being a VO doesn´t mean you don´t get to have a personal opinion. Also VOs can tell what they see other players choose in the games they run. It´s kind of a thing that VOs see a lot of different people play this game and get to hear a lot of opinions, wether they want to hear those or not^^
And yes, Pathfinder Society is so awesome, that it can afford to freely allow different opinions and the free exchange of them.

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I welcome this!

It´s a very good chance to move forward with a lot of stuff and it has the potential to draw in a great number of people.
I do hope some of the rules get thouroughly revisited, but the technology guide gives me a positive mood there.
Please use the chance to go into a more unchained direction. A space theme needs streamlined rules.
I also hope there will be very good rules for ship to ship combat, something all party members are able to participate to avoid the situation where only 1-2 players see action and the rest has to wait it out.

What makes me a bit sceptical is "While the size and scope of the new game make a full public playtest infeasible, we'll be starting to bring in key community members to check it out in the next few months, so keep an eye on the blog for your chance to participate!"

Please choose those people carefully. I don´t think this is the place for being to conservative or a grognard. :D

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I really, really want a Lantern Lodge Pin!
And i also want the Lantern Lodge to come back!
And a boon for the Lantern Lodge like for the Shadowlodge!

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It seems to me that quite of the assumptions made here by some people are very, very heavily flawed, driven by minorities and headache causing.

Begins with the idea everyone in PFS having that one boon that might give you additional wealth.
Or making all good day job checks all the time, getting all gold from scenarios, etc.
Or those AC calculations. Maybe someone wants to have some different items in their neck or ring slots?
Oh yeah right, there´s only one way to play this game!

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Kalindlara wrote:
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PFS players as well as the PFS GMs and the PFS team have to stick to the errata, no matter wether there is another source of the item getting not errataed or not.
I don't believe that this is the case. Why is there an entry for Fencing Grace in the Campaign Clarifications document, if errata automatically affects all printings?

Because some people think otherwise and will come to argue. That entry saves a lot of discussions and headaches, that´s why.

I have to point out that i´m not the team making those entries, even though im a VO, so there might be different reasons.

In PFS it unfortunately quite often seems to be the case that when one trick gets clarified and banned, some people seek out other tricks which work the same way, but have a different name.

We might be getting far away from the topic of this thread and i see a different hammer lurking above us here ;)

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Pathfinder Unchained was really awesome.
When will we see more along those lines?

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There´s some serious fun going on here^^

One of the reasons many people play PFS is because there´s no GM fiat and obscure "i know everything better" houserules turning out to be terrible ;)

There´s several different reasons the jingasa got nerfed:
-It´s a TianXia flavored item, a thorn in manies side. (minor reason)
-Seemingly, there were too many people using this item, more visibly in PFS, and together with the fates favored trait it was really good for a good price. (Note that it predates both the trait and the other crit avoiding item)
-Some of the people using it showed some personal bad traits, which are also more visibly in PFS, like shamelessly dominating tables and stealing other players fun as well as being overly arguing with GMs. Add in bragging.
-Some GMs and some other players just got tired of this and complained about it.
-Some of those GMs and other players might or might not have similar problems like some of the "bad" players.

Quite a lot very loud and well connected people playing this game have very, very conservative views of how this game has to be played.
Be reasonable, make good arguments, do some networking here and elsewhere and you might get heard too. Paizo showed on more than one occasion that all customers, players and GMs get taken serious.

Personaly i don´t think the jingasa was a problem, i even wished for the inner sea crowd there would be something like a normal knight helmet^^
But i also thought it´s a really good item for casters, halfcasters, monks and others! Saving your sorcerer from that one evil instakill crit when the rest of your crew messed up once again and not taking the valuable (and very necessary) headband slot? Oh yeah!

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Kalindlara wrote:

The original version of the jingasa of the fortunate soldier appears in Pathfinder Adventure Path #52: Forest of Spirits. As of now, it's a legal source for the jingasa, much like Fencing Grace remains in un-errataed form in Advanced Class Origins.

While I'd love to see sales of Jade Regent PDFs spike, the team may want to address this. ^_^

Pssshhhhht!°

Let those sales spike so we get more TianXia!
After all it´s the home of awesome items. Items so awesome, they get censored in the inner sea^^

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Rysky wrote:
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Oh wow! Has it always been that way or was it changed in Pathfinder?
Always
Hmm, guess it's been a weird houserule/misunderstanding our group has used then >_<

In my experience, exactly such stuff is a huge problem.

There so many people complaining about things they don´t even really researched or took the time to read and comprehend.

You won´t believe how often i hear people talk about their bad Pathfinder experiences just to find out that they played with houserules changing the whole system just because someone not understanding the rules thought it might be fun or sounds cooler.

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Mrakvampire wrote:
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Ah if you read the scrolls section in magic items in the CRB it says that using a scroll is just like casting a spell prepared and cast in the normal way under determine effect this along with several other passages in the scroll section indicates that scroll + martial + ioun stone works.

Ok, so fighter with 1 rank in UMD and bunch of scrolls in his scroll case can suddenly qualify for any arcane or divine prestige class that requires ability to cast arcane or divine spells of some level?

Stop trying to find things in rules that do not exist.
UMD =/= ability to cast spells. UMD allows you to bend rules, activate items, but still, you are NOT spellcaster and you do not possess ability to CAST spells.

Period.

Maybe you should just go and read what´s in the CRB under UMD.

Here.

I somehow also assume that Rysky is making jokes up there about the wands?

I sometimes get the feeling that there are tons of people who just don´t bother to read the actual rules and then stumble over some item because others who did read the rules love to use it often, then this networking clamouring for bans, errata and balance changes starts untill it gets there.
Please read the rules. Anyone with enough skill points and some CHA can use UMD quite well right from the start. Perhaps not reliably since you might roll a 1, but still, pretty fast anything can be emulated.
Why do you think quick draw was clarified to not work on wands, scroll, etc? A rogue with decent INT or CHA can get anywhere ;)

Also some people sound as if Jingasa denied any crit, but in all my sources as well on the web, it´s only working 1/day.
And for some people coming from older editions and many who are especially loud about this, in previous editions helmets denied any crit, without being magical, all the time.

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Reverse engineerig: Anything that would be blocked by an antimagic field is a magic bonus.

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I´m looking forward to this book and hope the city of Brass etc will see some attention.

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Lots of dungeon crawling?
Mummys Mask, Giantslayer, Iron Gods, all those have lots of dungeon crawling.
Maybe some people need to overcome some cultural aversions to see how good some of the stuff is.
And how more classic than Giantslayer can things get? Just insert a dragon to slay there? Or do you want something like 1E, where taking the wrong direction at a crossroad gets you killed instantly?

Hells Rebells is a pretty classic intrigue campaign btw, centered in one city and a perfect match for vigilante stuff.
Mummys Mask features one awesome dungeon after another.
Iron Gods is very dungeon happy as well.
Don´t like the theme of that stuff? No tech, no Osirion? Just leave it away or change it.

And i think Conan is a way better fit for east Casmaron.

In truth, we need more Tian Xia though!

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Afraid that is so.
Shadowdancer would be a strong candidate for an unchained version, balancing the shadow a bit more and making some other things there a bit stronger, as well as taking a look at the prereqs again.

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I´m unsure where i stand on possession, especially with some psychic archetypes and abilities. Have to look into that a lot more.

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  • Advanced Composite Blasts currently let pyrokineticists and hydrokineticists channel the power of Heaven or Hell into their blasts.
  • That fits my Kitsune pyrokineticist exactly!

    I´ll take a look at it.

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    The thing is that immediate actions are intrinsically metagaming and require communication between GM and player.
    GM goes saying: The devil looks at you whispering something and raising his hand towards you...
    Player goes: Wow wow wait a moment! I´m doing a spellcraft on this. Rolls dice: 34. GM: Enervation
    Player: As an immediate action Woodcuff the wizard casts EFS.

    Here the minds split.
    Some GMs will say, ok, but only after it hit you, since you were already targeted. In my eyes this is GM fiat, rule 0.
    Others will say ok and the enveration hits the EFS. That´s the way i think it should be.
    Still others will say ok, the devil will see this and target someone else. Surely discussable.

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    bbangerter wrote:

    This does not appear to be an actual rules question, but an advice question and/or house rules suggestion.

    Spell targeting, and spell effect are one and the same thing. If one is occurring, the other is also occurring. I would not allow casting of EFS (or any other immediate action that doesn't provide explicit rules to allow it) to take place between the two. Just like I would not allow an immediate action between being hit by a weapon and taking damage from said weapon without a specific rule allowing it.

    Pretty sure this is the house rule here.

    Immediate actions are reactions you can trigger at any time.
    That means someone casting a spell on you or attacking you, you just say stop - immediate action: puff EFS goes off - spell or attack hit EFS instead. No retargeting either.

    Anything else would make immediate actions and this spell as well as a lot of other stuff obsolote.

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    Or spellcraft. NPCs can roll spellcraft too, especially when they are wielders of magic themselves.

    I´m against banning. It seems this is the work of some people who abuse stuff, who will just find the next thing to abuse. And what will get banned then? Snowball, icy prison, etc?

    As written in the spell description this spell had a different purpose than such in-combat uses.
    Oracle of heavens moonlight bridge offers similar things...and more than enough room for interpretations and table variation.

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    Sounds a bit like Krynn 2.0...should that happen, i ask for some kend..cough..halfling options.

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    People, please use spoiler tags and do not discuss tactics on certain encounters in scenarios here please.
    Thank you.

    And could someone please link to what spawned this discussion?

    @trollbill: There´s certain feats allowing to do exactly that and i bet most people using dimension door often take them.

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    You could also take the racial heritage feat and grow a magical kitsune tail i believe.

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    HP 83 | varies | AC 19/14/15 | Fort +12, Ref +11, Will +6 | INI +4 | Per +10 | Acro +8 | Bluff +13 | Diplomacy | Disguise +8(+10) | EA +10 | Fly +8 | Heal +4 | Intimidate +10 | Kl(nature) +4 | Stealth +15 | UMD +10 | BAB+5 CMB +5 CMD 19 | low-light vision

    Like every sane person in europe, im using the metric system, so your talk of measurements confuses me :D

    I did plan to invest in CHA, it was originaly higher at 16, but then i thought a 10 STR wouldn´t hurt.
    Steadfast Personality got some errata and now works on the whole will save. The idea is to combine that with iron will perhaps.
    Reason is i wanted the CHA so she´s good in the social skills.

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    I know that it´s possible and been spoken of, therefore, by the laws of the universe, sooner or later it has to happen^^

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    A from the beginning to the end Tian Xia themed AP exploring one or more of the nations and opportunities there more would be even better than a pure dragon themed Inner Sea again AP, yet it could also include dragons.
    There are even many reasons to include dragons.

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    Old school can mean so many different things by now, without definition it doesn´t mean anything really^^

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    I think Endzeitgeists idea is really, really good.
    Doesn´t need to be fleshed out for every single character, but something more along guidelines and examples as well as providing good mechanics goes a long way.
    Other APs and adventures can then be used with it and GMs and players can put in some own stuff.
    I would certainly like that and know some gaming groups who could make use of it.

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    zimmerwald1915 wrote:
    Lord Fyre wrote:
    Are there any other areas of strong "First World" activities ... that have not been a major part of an AP?
    There's Dtang Ma and Shenmen in Tian Xia, but the powers that be are wary of Tian Xia after Jade Regent failed to meet expectations.

    Yeah only Jade Regent failed for very different reasons than ending in Tian Xia according to most people.

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    Well i just witnessed a kind of mediocre (meaning not minmaxed as hell) unchained summoner in an AP with diverse problems doing very, very well.
    The Eidolon is one of the main damage dealers and tank at the same time, able to do some skill checks and the summoner himself can contribute through a lot more skills, aid on combat or cast enough other meaningful spells (when he´s not buffing the eidolon) as well as support the party with some utility like teleport, etc.

    I think the unchained summoner is way better than the chained one, which was totaly out of line, and kind of an half-official errata.
    I highly welcome that and hope we will see more along those lines in the future.

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    I tihnk there´s a lot of players who don´t get to play PFS every week or even every month, who most probably don´t watch this stuff like it´s the stockmarket feed and they have billions in there.

    Catching someone unaware is therefore a relative term.
    Language like "within x timeframe or untill after the next played game" would be better. Yet it still could happen that both player and GM might be unaware of any changes, so things are complicated.

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