Leress wrote:
wardragon wrote:
Why are all the legends barbarians? Why not fighters, or paladins?
Read the entry for the Horn of Valhalla
Horn of Valhalla
You're missing the forest for the trees, Leress. WarDragon knows what the HoV do and are. The point is that bards don't just regale the tales of barbarians. Their isn't a strong enough link to the two classes or the magic item.
Besides rolling all the attack rolls for some fodder is tedious. Better for it to keep the Will save, and make have the character make a perform check versus a number of targets AC as a wave of 'conjured legendary heroes swarm his or her foes', dealing some scaling damage.
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Arcane Archer: Death Arrow is useless.
Pretty much. I'm not sure what the perfect answer would be, but even making it be 10+class level+spellcasting ability modifier would be a lot better. Not only would it then naturally scale into epic, but it would profit those who continued as well as reflect a higher DC which it needs.
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Imbue Arrow
This is an improvement, but they need to take it one step further.
Essentially, they need to do what they did to the paladin's celestial weapon ability. Instead of saying you pick between flaming, frost, etc, they should allow you to just pick any +1 enhancement ability. Thus, later at 9th level of so, you should be able to add a total of +5 abilities in whatever combination you choose. The design is not only more elegant, but it offers more choices for players, and makes further products more meaningful to the class (i.e. every weapon enhancement is something a player of this class would be interested in looking at). Soulbows and soulknives already have this ability from 3.5, and PF gave it to paladins in a similar manner in Beta.
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Seeker Arrow, Phase Arrow, and Hail of Arrows are cute gimmicks, but only being 1/day, they don't actually bring much to the table. I might suggest a number of "trick shots" or something, that can power them all, with daily uses equal to (half?) the class level.
I'm fine with them the way they are. I agree that making a list of 'archer talents' like rogue or fighter talents would be a good idea, with seeker, phase, and hail being some of those choices.
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I agree with the people who've said that some spellcasting advancement would make the class much more playable.
It would add power to the class for sure. Not sure it would be necessary if they made the other changes. Even if not, it probably wouldn't hurt.
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Arcane Trickster: Not much change.
That's a good thing, imo. The class was solid and powerful as it was. I'm glad they didn't mess with it, as it would have been all too easy to mess it up.
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Assassin:Quiet Death is awesome. So is Swift Death
Agreed on both accounts.
I personally approve of them ditching the spells. Hidden Weapons is cool: a nice piece of flavor-centric mechanic.
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Dragon Disciple:this class rocks
Agreed. The old class was so awesome in terms of flavor, but so sucky in crunch. This one actually delivers on both. I was curious on how they'd handle it, what with bloodlines already in play. Well done.
My only issue is with the lack of boost to Cha. For a spellcasting class that uses Cha, and for Dragons and half-dragons who have higher Charisma, you'd think they'd give the +2 Cha, even if that meant not giving the Int or as much of the Str boost.
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Duelist: I would allow them to use slashing weapons in addition to piercing, but that's just personal taste.
Well, you'd have to word it in a certain way so that characters wielding bastard swords or dwarven axes in one hand wouldn't apply. But yes, I would think that someone using a scimitar or longsword shouldn't certainly be able to make use of these abilities.
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Anything that Sneak Attack applies to, Canny Strike should apply to, as well.
Do you mean Piercing Strike? If so, I agree, since the same reasoning would seem to apply to their reasons for expanding sneak attack for rogues.
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Parry is nice, but the penalties seem to stack up very quickly...
True. If monks get basically an extra attack for free, the duelist should be able to eventually get an extra attack at their highest attack bonus -but only to parry.
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Since most Duelists will probably crit quite often, Crippling Critical is very, very nice.
Indeed.
All in all, the revision is an improvement to the DMG one. I'm still not sure it is up to par though, especially when compared to the new, better base classes of Beta.
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Eldritch Knight: Nicely boosted, but still seems kind of... bland, at least before 10th level. I think they really need some kind of armored casting ability, probably just like the Bard's. Arcane Armor Training/Mastery consume your swift action, meaning you can't use Spell Critical or a Quickened Spell that round, and not wearing armor means he's terribly fragile for a front-liner.
Ditto on the analysis. With classes like Duskblade around, this one needs some boosting. The Spell Critical is nice, but they needed more stuff like that. They either need to be able to wear some form of armor (like Duskblade can), or gain an ability that them gain 'spell armor'. They could do that either by just granting them a class ability that allows them to craft a scaling 'mage armor' variant that was always active or by allowing them to sack a spell to gain an armor bonus equal to their class level + the spell sacked.
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Loremaster
Nothing really changed here, save for the expected conversion of the lore ability to match Beta bards. Can't say what I would want different (maybe bonus on divination spells?).
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Mystic Theurge: Combined Spells
That's a nice ability. I'm not sure if it is a little too rigid, but maybe that's to force people from dipping to power game.
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Spell Synthesis... wow. That ability was really awesome, until I saw the 1/day line. Now they can be fully effective... for round round a day. I'd say at least 3 times; if the class needs harsher prerequisites to balance that, so be it.
Or make it so that it is taxing. (i.e. following round, they cast spells at CL-2 or something). I'd still think putting a max on it would be good, just like clerics and channeling energy. However, choosing which ability score to tie it to would be sticky due to all the combinations, so maybe make it 1/2 class level/day. I'd give it to them earlier instead of a capstone, but only if some taxing or cost existed (not XP or gp though).
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Shadowdancer
They failed me on this one. The class didn't change at all as far as I could tell. It looks only like a good class to dip into to gain HiPS, or maybe the second level. It's a class that has a lot of potential, but they didn't make anything of it beyond what it already was.