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Just a reminder, this kickstarter is in it's final 3 days. The next stretch goal may be of some interest to table top gamers. They will have Wolfgang Bauer, Sean K. Reynolds, and Bruce Cordell each design a dungeon. If you're interested in an old school dungeon crawler, give it a look. Also. company has a track record, they have already released Wasteland 2, and are working on a sequel to Planescape:torment. Anyway, give it a look, the $25 tier seems like a pretty good deal.
I was just reading an interview with Obsidian Entertainment head Feargus Urguhart. He was asked about kickstarter and future of the company, etc, and in he answer he says," I want to hook up with the Pathfinder guys and see about doing a Pathfinder Eternity world book thing."
So a print product rather than a video game, but seeing Obsidian and Pathfinder in the same sentence, gets me a little excited. Maybe this could lead to a video game in the future.
Any thoughts on this?
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but on the latest episode of the Save or Die Podcast, TSR Art Director Jim Wampler said the magazine would have a section called Kobold Corner by Wolfgang Baur.
They didn't much info, but it certainly sounds like good news. Anyone else have additional information?
Erik Mona wrote:
Oh, that's just Glen Danzig being Glen Danzig, as front man for the misfits. Horror punk! Great song though.
I agree that it is a flawed argument for publishers to think that every illegal download or case of copyright infringement is a lost sale. There are certainly people who are collectors who will download any rpg pdf just to be complete, or any other number of reasons.
By the same token it's also flawed to believe that it is just free advertising, and people will become paying customers after checking out the material. There are plenty of people, who will never pay for something they can get for free, no matter how much they love the product.
The problem is that we don't have good numbers on the conversion rate of people who download the torrent, like the product and then become paying customers, and the people who download the product, like it, and continue to pay nothing. I'm sure if there were good numbers, and it made some sense we would see a different stance or different business models for this. Remember companies want to make money and if it made sense they may feel different about it.
Also remember the rpg industry is a small niche industry. It takes a much smaller amount of lost sale to effect them.
So we can make arguments for each side, but we don't have the numbers to really say one way or the other.
While I know there's a lot to be determined about this, I'm very excited. My biggest question is simply, is there a rough timeline on when this would be out? I'm not looking for anything concrete, but are we talking 2012, 2013, 2014, or is it too early (and too many failed attempts by others) to even put a year on when this will be ready for public use?
From Gary's presentation notes earlier in the thread.
When can I use it.
It's not quite ready yet. Don't worry, we're not going to wait until it's perfect. It turns out, software is never perfect.
DM Wellard wrote:
Isn't Lake Geneva in Wisconsin? And, I don't think they are doing away with the pbp forums. At least they haven't said that. They are 2 different types of games, and I would think they want to have both of them popular. More players=more sales. Doesn't matter how they play.
You don't have to sign up for facebook or anything. You can just read the announcements as they post them.
Anyway, something about a virtual table top is the last one.
Paizo reinvents the virtual tabletop to be played directly on Paizo.com!
Uses Paizo's high, max resolution maps, handouts and everything you need to run our APs. Makes everything easy to connect with people and get playing. As long as you can get to Paizo.com you can play!
OD&D refers to Original Dungeons and Dragons. We're talking about the white box set with 3 brownish booklets released in 1974. There are several clones of this system out there.
My understanding is that Champions of Zed is a re editing of the original books with extra material added based on notes, message board posts and other material from Gygax and Arneson. Also including material from other wargames of the time, as the original edition assumed you had access to several other games, and referred to them in the text.
No kidding Bill. None of the higher level goals (apart from the 10k) actually seem to have increased their backers however... Is it all from the 10k goal person? Can you even tell that?
I'm pretty sure they can. Every time someone pledges, or changes their pledge, or cancels, etc. I think they are alerted by email.
Should just be the difference. If you pledged $15, just raise the amount to $50, and when the product funds you should be charged $50.
Lily Orlovsky wrote:
Not sure if it's 100% accurate, but the estimated delivery says October 2012.
Yeah. I think you were a bad guest. The fact that you forgot all these things multiple times doesn't really matter. Your intention doesn't matter. The end result is the same, you ate a bunch of free pizza, drank milk that you were told not to, and used words you were told not to. Your reason is that you forgot. Fine, that's enough, your forgetfulness has made you a bad guest. I personally would have made it more clear before booting you, but maybe they had other reasons than those listed, and this just made it easier.
I do find it kind of annoying though, that you come here and ask for opinions, then when people give them, you tell them they are wrong. If you have already made you mind up, and people who disagree are wrong, why are you asking for opinions at all? Seems like you already have your answer.
42 may be the answer for everything, but I'd expect a pdf price in the range of 34.99 - 39.99. The original campaign setting book has a premium pdf price (of 34.99) and I'd expect this one to carry a price close to that.
Sure. I was just guessing based off of pricing in the past. They very well could set a lower price point. Do note that the original campaign setting book was $49.99($50) retail. So the $34.99 pdf follows the 70% model. This one is a little different as it is $59.99. I don't think they have any other $60 books. So that is where I came up with the $42. Again they may well decide to price it differently. Just wanted to point out that the campaign setting book did follow the 70% pricing model.
You can download them here, http://paizo.com/beginnerbox . Along with some other free resources.
I don't know if anyone has ever done this with Pathfinder rules, though it has been done with 3.5.
Check out http://www.heroicfantasygames.com/ . They have a game called Knights of the Chalice, which is based on 3.5 rules, and uses the OGL. It is an indie game, and has been around for a number of years. They do not appear the have any legal issues.
They also address changes to the rules to make it work as a crpg.
I've finally opened my case. I'll post a break down soon if I get the time. I did get a full set. Lotsa good stuff in here, but also other things that are not great. Overall, it's a pretty good set.
As far as packaging goes, my boxes were not taped, with the exception of the dragon, which is the only one that does not need to be taped.
As a side note, love the goblins, I got 8 or so. Good first effort, though, I expect the Rise of the Runelords set to raise the bar.
Mine arrived today. But I had them shipped to alternative address so I won't be able to get my hands on them until tomorrow. Had I known they would arrive on a Saturday I would have had them shipped here. Darn.
Anyway, I chose the cheapest shipping as well and this is much faster than my normal subscription shipments.
Ok, I have subscribed. Please convert my existing preorder to the subscription. Make sure you include the huge black dragon case premium order as well. I look forward to getting my case and black dragon soon. Just to clarify 1 full case, and 1 black dragon is what I should get, and should now be a subscriber.
Thanks in advance.
Hey Adam, if it means anything I don't think your posts have been over the line at all. I think some people might have taken offense at "nerd tax". But I'm just guessing, I have no problem with anything you have written.
As far as PDF pricing goes, there are a couple of things to consider. When the core rulebook was released D&D 4e had already been out for a year. Some people had already switched to 4e, some people had stayed with 3.5. Of the people who stayed with 3.5, some were definitely going to switch to Pathfinder, some were on the fence, and some were just going to stick with 3.5. Why buy a new $50 book to play the same game I've already been playing and own hundreds of dollars of books for? There were also some people who had switched to 4e who were not satisfied with it. Paizo was really targeting all these people. There are a lot of people who won't throw down $50 for a book, or even $35 for a pdf of something they might not like. But a lot of people will pay $10 for something, just to check it out. So you can think of it as an introductory offer.
This brings up another reason for the pricing. I'm going on memory here and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. But I remember either reading here or hearing on a podcast with a Paizo staffer(probably Mona), that it was also meant to drive print sales. Someone checks out the $10 pdf and likes it, and a certain % of those people who would have never bought the $50 dollar book, go ahead and buy the print version after checking out the cheap pdf. I can only guess this model was successful, because they continue to price rulebook pdfs like that.
Anyway, I hear what you are saying, but I fear the alternative isn't lowering the price of the smaller pdfs. It would be raising the price of the larger pdfs to say $35. So, for me I'm glad that the major books are priced as they are.
I have a case preordered and I want to subscribe. I intended to, but I think I preordered the case before the subscription offer was available, and never got around to subscribing. My question, is it ok to subscribe now? Or should I wait for my case to ship, or for the new set to be available for preorder? I don't want to accidentally order a second case.
Thanks in advance.
Scott Betts wrote:
This is true. And it seems it has become even more soloable as time has passed. I bought the Cataclysm expansion when it came out. I hadn't played in so long that I started a new character just so I could learn the basics again. I leveled 1 character to 85 and 3 others to around 30. This took 3-4 months. I'm sure some people would consider this slow. I am not an optimal player. I would waste time doing things that were not the most efficient use of my time, doing gray quests, auction house stuff, etc. Also note that my play was pretty erratic. I might play 2 hours a night 4 or 5 days in a row, then not play for a week. Or I might play 4-5 hours on Saturday and Sunday, then not play for a week, etc. There may have been a group or 2 in there, but pretty much all solo.
So it is definitely even easier to level in WoW than it has ever been before. Though the early levels have always been pretty easy.
Scott Betts wrote:
Thanks, said better than me. There are many other reasons, and one can go much deeper. But this is a good start.
The same people who play MMOs are not always the same people who play tabletop games. There is some crossover, but I would guess most don't. They are different games. And when you have thousands of players playing in the same world, things are different. It's not like playing at the table with five friends.
This is a huge topic. Someone could write dissertation on it, and I'm sure some have.
Are all players going to exist in the same world? Or will it be split into different servers/shards? If all players are in the same world, will they truly be in the same world, or are we looking at heavy instancing?
Also, Mr. Dancey responded to a question about crafting, that one would not have to click thousands of times for skill increases. How are skill increases going to work? Is it like Eve Online, where one selects certain skills and they increase over time whether you are playing or not?
Is it me, or do the few details we have seem like a fantasy version of Eve Online? Not that there is anything wrong with that, my experience with Eve Online is minimal, played the free trial a bit.
Anyway, looking forward to future developments.
My guess would be epic/mythic rules, or maybe plans for more pawns. Though seems a little bit early to have the pawn plans finalized. Neither would be HUGE for me, but both would be cool.
Outside of that, maybe a Pathfinder video game. Though it doesn't seem like enough lead in time either, just going by the last time Lisa or someone said they had not been approached by a game publisher that meets their criteria. Seems like just a few months ago. Though, maybe a smart phone, tablet game? Other than that, maybe a pathfinder graphic novel?
I dunno, most likely to me seems epic/mythic rules.
Pathfinder seems to be getting mentioned a lot in podcasts and other media.
The latest episode of "Roll For Initiative" podcast, "Issue 68 Adventures Dark and Deep", mention Paizo and the Beginner Box in the last 5 mins or so. There is much love. This is a podcast about 1st edition AD&D. This episode specifically is about an AD&D retro clone, Adventures Dark & Deep.
Also a mention of Pathfinder on "The Spoony Experiment". This is a video cast, and the latest episode is about getting started playing rpgs. He talks about Pathfinder at around the 11:15 mark, and displays the core rulebook. He has good things to say, and calls it "one of the best games out there." He also calls out Carrion Crown and Kingmaker. But as this is an episode about getting started with rpgs, he seems unaware of the Beginner Box. Seems like he might be someone who should get a review copy. Also, he mentions D&D Encounters, but no mention of Pathfinder Society.
Scott Betts wrote:
True. But they have a team already working on it. And though they have not officially announced it, they are talking about it. Enough that at Blizzcon, game director Jay Wilson said, "The movement actually feels better on the controller,". So, I would say chances are very strong. Also note that the original Diablo eventually was ported to Playstation.
So, at the very least they are spending money on a console version.
Joseph Wilson wrote:
Ok, thanks for clarifying. I was basing that off the recent fear the boot interview where Erik Mona said they had blazed through 5 print runs of the Pathfinder RPG. I seem to remember them selling out the first print run in preorder. And they had another print run soon. Maybe the second print run was a second print run of the 1st printing? Meaning no errata, etc? And the successive print runs were new printings that incorporated errata?
I dunno, I'm still using a first print run copy.
Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.
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