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The Usual Suspect wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
I disagree. I've had players who are fine as long as they stay away from these types of characters, but once they stray into these common tropes, the trope takes over.
Let's say that, like a lot of things, they're harder to do well. They can be fine, given the right approach and the right player, but they can also be a trap leading even decent players into trouble.
My gaming group really tries hard to discourage 'the bigot' especially. Not for offensiveness, but that the race they hate often doesn't stay the same, but curiously follows what a specific player is running.
That sounds like an issue with a player.

More like between players (it only showed up when that character personality was in play). Less of an issue now, but for sad reasons (one of them died in his sleep late last year).


thejeff wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
I disagree. I've had players who are fine as long as they stay away from these types of characters, but once they stray into these common tropes, the trope takes over.
Let's say that, like a lot of things, they're harder to do well. They can be fine, given the right approach and the right player, but they can also be a trap leading even decent players into trouble.

My gaming group really tries hard to discourage 'the bigot' especially. Not for offensiveness, but that the race they hate often doesn't stay the same, but curiously follows what a specific player is running.


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thejeff wrote:
Krensky wrote:

We know the plans get to Leia.

We don't know how or if the people involved survive.

I mean it's Disney, so they're not going to kill everyone, but still.

I've never found the "but we know how it's going to end" complaint persuasive. Of course we know how it's going to end. In broad general terms, just like we know how every action movie is going to end. The hero beats the bad guy and gets the girl. Even in the cliffhanger action scenes, the question is how the hero escapes, not whether or not he escapes.

It's the journey and the details that can be surprising, not the final outcome.

I hear 'We already now how it ends' complaints and the only thing that flashes through my mind is "So you've never watched anything a second time?"


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Krensky wrote:

No Sith Lord other, maybe, than Darth Bane ever really followed the Rule of Two.

It was more of a Guideline of Two.

That isn't shocking - the Sith ARE the villains of the story. What are rules to the bad guys, besides another obstacle in their way?


Fake Healer wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:


I don't read DC comics any more not since New52 started but it's not hard for me to look at the TV shows existing on one earth and the movies existing on an alternate earth.

That makes total sense to me and kinda throws me when people have issues with the actors and the characters being different between the movies and the shows. I think that it allows them to tell one kind of story with the character in one medium and a different type of story with the character in another. I think that way is more interesting especially for the DC universe.

I don't have a problem with them using different actors but I don't like when they totally change a character. I feel like some consistency is warranted. I feel like every time I have ever seen Deadshot he was a white dude so seeing Wil Smith in the role makes me think that either this is some obligatory nod to political correctness or that DC has gone the other way and is tossing in color just to appease people or garner attention. It almost seems more racist to see movies shoehorning black or any other ethnicity of actors into a role that has been portrayed in comic books and other formats as a different one.

For the record I also wouldn't like if Wonder Woman was suddenly a Blonde, or if Superman was suddenly Asian, or if Spiderman was suddenly a red-head. It just takes away my ability to immerse myself in the story when there is such a major inconsistency with basic source material.

From what I have read recasting Will Smith as Deadshot was due to casting Margo Robbie as Harley Quinn. The 2 actors supposedly have good on screen chemistry together, and since those 2 characters are pretty much the leads in the comic - changes were made based on that.


Hama wrote:
I'm sorry, but Patty is definitely the prettiest girl on the show right after the girl that explodes stuff.

I think Iris is prettier, but Patty was definitely cooler in my eyes, and a much better fit for Barry.

But what people find most attractive is going to be subjective anyways.


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Natasha was kind of playing that older sister who keeps trying to set her younger sibling up on a date. Or maybe that annoying aunt who wonders why you don't have a family yet.


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Hama wrote:
Oh for god's sake can't two men be friends and develop a bromance without everyone screaming GAAAAY? You know straight men exist. And they have friends. And they love each other.

I think the answer has become NO. Heterosexual males in fiction can't display any emotion to anyone the are not trying to hop into bed with, male or female. This is not a good thing.


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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:
One thing it does do is provide actual in-character reasons for the ladies to want to pursue the guy other than 'he's the main male character!"
You mean like "Protagonist-kun is so nice"?

A little more detailed than that.

Kirche was presented as the girl who could have just about anything she wanted, plus in season one she is pretty much opposed to Louise. So the guy tied to Louise that tells her no is much like catnip to someone like that. Kirche is also the first girl to move on from wanting Saito, as her attraction was mostly superficial to begin with.

Siesta gets established as being descended from a Japanese soldier who fell through a portal, establishing a bit of a tie to Saito. Plus, he has a peasant background like she does, plus he saves her from being a noble's plaything (they don't come out and say sex-slave, but it's pretty obvious what the guy wanted her for).

Tabitha couldn't have been set up to fall harder without a love potion, especially considering the circumstances she was under at the time.

Tiffa is another outcast like Saito, and Henrietta has the two-fold issues of Saito being there right after her heart gets broken, and being the guy attached to the friend she was always somewhat jealous of adds another layer.

Another note with the harem aspects of Familiar of Zero is that most of the girls don't seem to fall for Saito right away - it takes time and the proper circumstances for it to happen, and some move on from that desire before the series ends.


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Dragon78 wrote:


I thought Familiar of Zero doesn't start out as a harem anime?

Well, there are 3 different characters all wanting the main male character rather quickly (even if one only manifests as jealousy bordering on murderous rage). More get added each season, with the occasional person moving on. One thing it does do is provide actual in-character reasons for the ladies to want to pursue the guy other than 'he's the main male character!"


Second on Bodacious Space Pirates.


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captain yesterday wrote:

He's overrated, and he wears on people, Kapernick is way overrated as well.

Plus San Fran has the same issues as Philly, a defense drained of talent, and so so running game.

I'm not worried. :-)

Chip Kelly isn't Bill Belicheck, that's for sure. :-)

On the plus side Chip doesn't have a team to trade away this time, the best players are already gone.


Sissyl wrote:
One campaign, the paladin in the group was targeted by a bard with a smear campaign, suspected of stealing. My cleric knew this was blatantly impossible, and that there was no way for the paladin to get a fair trial. My cleric was all about taking care of those near her, and, being sharply freedom minded and high level, decided to leave the rest of the group who in her eyes had betrayed the paladin by not defending him, plane shifted the two of them away. He was furious, but couldn't really do much about it. They were sentenced to death in absentia for treason. We made new characters, but neither of us made a healer, leading to a long string of "if only the cleric had been here". Eventually, of course, the ruse was discovered, clearing them of suspicion, but they never returned. Bad call? Possibly. I had fun making a new character, and the drama was delicious enough.

That's more of a 'hoisted by his own petard' type of thing in my eyes. If only the bard could have died because of lack of access to a healer, then it would have been perfect.


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I always found it easier to ram things in a Y-wing than actually shoot them.


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Kryzbyn wrote:

Heaven forbid the Empire get a fighter with shields and a hyper drive...

TIE D was quick though!

More like it felt like it was the best at everything at the same time - like taking a modern jet back to the 'jets are new tech' era and playing against those.

But it's no longer canon now.


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Kryzbyn wrote:

TIE INs?

I preferred the Defender myself.

I remember the Tie Fighter game, and if it is possible for a thing to be a Mary Sue, the defender is probably it. I've played games with cheat codes that seemed less unfair than that thing.


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That is a little easier. But I'm not surprised that The On-Screen Villain (With The Badass Costume!) and The Adorable Mascot seem to have the most stuff. One of the commenters asked if Darth Maul had the most toys when The Phantom Menace was marketed and consensus seems to be yes. Rey does seem to have more toys than either Poe or Finn as well.


Did someone already threaten lawsuits or something? That link only gets me a blank page.


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Wait, there are people who saw John Carter?


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The First Order lost a lot of resources with the destruction of the latest superweapon, but that isn't anywhere near as much as the Republic lost with the destruction of multiple planets.


And here I am trying to catch up to older stuff.

I've watched Noragami up to where the dubs are at (into the second arc of season 2) and am starting Sword Art Online.


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Devilkiller wrote:


Back to the low blows analogy, I didn't mean to say powers which remove a player's control should never be used. Some boxers like Bernard Hopkins would probably consider low blows to be "part of boxing" and something that can be used from time to time to gain an advantage, kind of like holding. If you keep fouling repeatedly in boxing the ref might step in and take a point or even eventually disqualify you though, sort of like if you keep on taking away the player's control he might eventually complain or give up.

The analogy I go by is that RPG's are for participating. Turn a player into the audience too often, and they might end up deciding that they can stay home and watch television instead. This isn't to say such things should never be used, but they certainly shouldn't be at the top of the toolbox.

One peeve of mine is realizing that the game's final outcome is fixed no matter what I do. If I want to be involved in a story where I can't affect the outcome, I'll read a book.


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Hitdice wrote:
I will freely admit that, for all my problems with prequel trilogy, I thought McGregor nailed the role of ass-kicking young Obi Wan Kenobi.

I only wish they had costumed him in Revenge of the Sith like they had in the Clone Wars cartoon - wearing that clone trooper armor/robes combo really sold his role as a Jedi General without saying a single word.


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Lemmy wrote:
Didn't that guy have a blaster as well?

And he called Finn a traitor right before he engaged him. I chalk it up to the trooper letting his anger get the better of him.

"Shoot the little traitor? NO! I'm killing him up close and personal!"


Funny, the only people I have heard complain about the Hellsing dub are people who complain about all dub jobs. Find me someone who actually likes dubbing to say that it is bad and I might be tempted to listen.


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Machinesmith - a 3PP class from Louis Porter Design might work - it's a heavily modified Alchemist at the core.


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Hama wrote:
NenkotaMoon wrote:
Hellsing is better dubbed than subbed.
No it is not.

Let's not start this again.

Dubs vs Subs is a matter of taste, much like preferring one drink over another.

However, the opinion that the existence of one somehow ruins the other despite no one breaking into your home and forcing you to watch, Clockwork Orange style, deserves to be ridiculed at every opportunity.


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Gruumash . wrote:

So I have to admit I did not like how the Patriots ended their regular season but looking forward to having the o-line back and most of the others players that have been missing back and healthy.

They got hit hard by the injury bug this year. Looking forward to the playoffs.

The Pats ended the season missing their number one receiver, down to their 5th! starting tackle, out their top 2 running backs, and a few other receivers in addition. Most teams would be completely broken after suffering stuff like that. The bye week is exactly what the Patriots need.


mardaddy wrote:

Yes, forgot about Blur and Mirror Image. Handy at ANY level.

The PC's are 12 level now and STILL have problems overcoming that basic spell, wasting potential smites and other melee damage on images.

I'm not sure what the countermeasures ARE to mirror image - other than closing your eyes and fighting blind (best if you have the blind fight feat). We had a GM who kept tossing groups of monsters using that spell, plus every other defensive boost he could come up with - the guy felt every single encounter should be a one the PC's come out of by the skin of their teeth, even when the adventure was running a gauntlet.


Silver Surfer wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:


Yep - cherry picking divine lists, supposedly including deity-specific spells, made the archivist VERY powerful.

And then Dark Knowledge giving bonuses on top of that.
Yes, VERY strong class.

==Aelryinth

Yes the Archivist was powerful, but not remotely OP as some made out.

What is forgotten is that the Archivist only received 2 cleric spells per level - any other divine spells had to be sought out and added correctly to his spellbook. He was in effect completely in the GM's pocket.... more so than any other class.

What is really interesting from a PF perspective is how easy it would be to transfer the class over.

The amount of times you hear.."A new D6 divine class would be too hard to design, you would have to re-do the cleric list and domains.... blahblahblah..."

Absolute nonsense... the Archivist is for a base class an incredibly simple concept and opens up a whole new load of possibilities.

I am sure Paizo could do a really flavoursome job but wont for some bizarre (and as yet unexplained) reason...!

Aelryinth already explained how the archivist is in pretty much the same boat as the wizard when it comes to spells - it only changes when the GM decides to play spike towards one specific class.

As far as the last part, I think it might be because the Archivist wasn't open licence, and anything that hews too close could cause legal issues.

One campaign I was in used the archivist as an order of learned priest - but defaulting to the druid list instead. They had glades much like druids had groves, except their trees were typically fruit bearing.


Letric wrote:

If you're playing as a DM, I'd suggest Spells that don't take control away from the player.

Losing control of your character is annoying, and there's nothing you can do.
Usually crowd control like Entangle, things that impair vision and such are much better because they force PCs to be more strategic and more careful.
Casting Glitterdust (for example) sucks for a PC. You're basically screwed, you can't move, act or do anything almost.
And we're talking minimum 3 rounds when it's available.

Turning players into the audience might not go over well, but that depends on your players. We had one GM who hit one particular player with 'you get to watch' spells that every combat the player just got up and went to the corner store - figuring that at least he would get to do something there.


I think you can also combine the Hex Channeler can be combined with the Hedge Witch if you truly want serious healing power - the ability to spontaneously cast healing spells is a big benefit, although losing the 4th and 8th level hexes in addition to the 2nd might be a steep price.


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It might be interesting to see what the writers could have come up with if they had been supported for a complete series from the very beginning.


SmiloDan wrote:

Archivist from 3.5's Heroes of Horror.

It has Medium BAB, light armor (maybe more), 1d8 HD, 4+ skill points, Int-based 9 level divine casting, uses a prayerbook instead of a spellbook, and has some nice Int/Knowledge check-based buffs.

You might have to convert it a bit, but it was a solid class. Kind of a blend of bard and cleric support class.

And potentially one of the most powerful divine spellcasters in the game back in the day - the archivist defaulted to the cleric list, but had the potential to learn divine spells from ANY (divine casting) class - paladin, druid, shukenja from OA, and so on.


I read the first book. I have the next 3 (bought when the local Borders went out of business), but haven't opened them up yet. If he ever finishes the series I'll start up again. I know it's good, but I don't want to invest in something that might not get finished.


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Greylurker wrote:
Rosita the Riveter wrote:
Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
Rosita the Riveter wrote:
I actually do own Spheres. My only concern with it is whether using it is too niche.
@Rosita - can you explain this? Too niche in-game or too niche with regard to finding games/players/it will restrict who you can play with?
The second.

It's a very good system but there are always players who fight tooth and nail to avoid anything "different"

There is one guy in my group who won't give up Vancian Spellcasting until we pry it out of his cold dead fingers.

If he wants to hold onto it, fine. It's when people insist YOU have to hold on to it as well that the problems start.


A slang term for benefits.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
What kind of reaction do you expect from a wookie except blowing half the imperial guard AND most of kylo ren apart ?

Doing it with his bare hands?


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Krensky wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Interestingly enough, Chewie's is the only person still around who knew, well, pretty much everyone involved in this.
Do R2-D2 and C3-PO count as persons?

Yes, but Bail wiped their memories after Episode III so the droids in Rebels, Ep IV, V, VI, and VII and not, efectively, the same droids as in I, II, Clone Wars, and III.

If they were living characters that had been struck with amnesia, would you be calling them different people?

I consider them the same because their individual quirks for some reason survived the memory wipe.

Amnesia doesn't work like that.

Well, real amnesia and movie amnesia aren't the same, and besides - Artoo wasn't mindwiped in the films.


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Krensky wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Interestingly enough, Chewie's is the only person still around who knew, well, pretty much everyone involved in this.
Do R2-D2 and C3-PO count as persons?

Yes, but Bail wiped their memories after Episode III so the droids in Rebels, Ep IV, V, VI, and VII and not, efectively, the same droids as in I, II, Clone Wars, and III.

EDIT: However, as I think about it I'm not sure Chewie met Padme, Anikin, and Obi-Wan after his adventures with Ashoka. I haven't seen that arc of CW. He did know and save Yoda, however. It seems likely that he met Anakin and Padme after returning to the Temple with Ashoka and that he met Obi-Wan during the same campaign that he served with General Yoda.

On the gripping hand, he clearly didn't know how Ben Kenobi was... Or st least didn't let on.

It's been a while, but I thought he only had C3-PO's memory wiped, not R2-D2's?

According to this clip, only Goldenrod gets it. Or at least, he is the only one ordered to be mindwiped on screen.

R2-D2 should still know everything.


Wrath wrote:
HyperMissingno wrote:
Goth Guru wrote:
I once toyed with the premise that magical creatures came from spontaneous generation. Minotaurs, Lamia, Medusas, and Sphinxes all come from the gods.
Well aside from wizards f%%%ing about with stuff they shouldn't where else would those things come from?
Evolution? (ducks)

It's a magical world where gods exist and walk the land. Intelligent Design is probably a very real thing in a fantasy setting.


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Irontruth wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Since it's not fan fiction, she can not be a Mary Sue.
The definition of Mary/Gary has evolved since it's origin. Words/terms tend to evolve over time.

We are also dealing with the fact that many current directors and writers (comic writers especially) are basically 'ascended fans', so the only things that separate the stories we are getting from fanfiction are the presence of a paycheck and (hopefully) a higher competence level.


Plus don't forget that Chewie goes with her - he isn't given to her like some kind of pet.


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If once in a blue moon you do something that might not be the best idea, but fits the established persona of your character my gaming group will normally understand.

If it becomes a regular thing across multiple characters, then we are probably going to decide your just a jerk who shouldn't be at our table (especially if it is the SAME flaw every time).


For me a character doesn't become a Mary Sue until they are the best at every plot relevant skill/ability. The author insert is no longer the really relevant part - it's the 'anything others can do, I can do better' aspect, usually combined with everyone loves/is great friends with them, except for people the audience isn't supposed to like.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:


Phasma now has Boba Fett syndrome. Look like bada$$ and do nothing bada$$ at all. In fact she may have overtaken him in that role.

At least she doesn't have the ignominy of being introduced in the Holiday Special.


Speed of plot.

That's probably as close as you can come, as different writers will always have it act differently - heck, sometimes it might not need to be different writers, merely different stories by the same writer.


Krensky wrote:
Zhangar wrote:
Hell, Record of Lodoss War is pretty much a guy making a successful manga and anime out of his home D&D game.
Novels adapted from transcripts published in a magazine.

My understanding is Record of Lodoss War starts with a pretty high bar to begin with. The original publications were transcripts of roleplaying sessions - except that several characters were played by other authors. I imagine my games would be pretty epic if my players included Brandon Sandorsen, Jim Butcher, and Timothy Zahn. (I want to add George R. R. Martin, but I'm not sure if we can trust him to finish his turn on time....)

Then came novels, then manga and anime and other stuff.


Remember Mace was electrocuted with force lightning, THEN tossed out the window.


UnArcaneElection wrote:

^Because the sheer number of Witch archetypes is approaching the point at which certain presidential candidates won't be able to keep track of them all.

Wouldn't they just want to burn them all anyways?

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