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What's that?

Is that the ice princess?

The enchanter of Babylon?

The white knight?

No, it's Scott the Bold!

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Necromancer wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Necromancer wrote:

I don't get why there's two giant chapters; there's far more than two types. It would've been a bit more reasonable to find one representative for giants, use that as an example, and save the space for something else (derro, dark folk, cyclops, catfolk, strix, morlocks, gargoyles, harpies, and so on).

Oh, well. I guess everyone has chapters they won't use.

Here's your reason. And I'm sure grognards will cry foul about the lack of hill giants...
So a popular module trilogy released thirty years ago cast a shadow this long? They could've just used hill giants and dropped the other two...

Tomb of Horrors casts an even longer one. It's a very nostalgic hobby.

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Necromancer wrote:

I don't get why there's two giant chapters; there's far more than two types. It would've been a bit more reasonable to find one representative for giants, use that as an example, and save the space for something else (derro, dark folk, cyclops, catfolk, strix, morlocks, gargoyles, harpies, and so on).

Oh, well. I guess everyone has chapters they won't use.

Here's your reason. And I'm sure grognards will cry foul about the lack of hill giants...

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Scott Betts wrote:
Auxmaulous wrote:
I don't think you are being uncivil Scott - but you are being dismissive and showing a considerable lack of empathy on the matter and that's what seems to be causing the problems.

It's difficult (for me, at least) to be particularly empathetic to the sort of person who refers to an entire company (a number of employees of which I have met, gamed with, and shared drinks with, and who struck me as genuinely cool people) in a hostile or insulting manner. You can call the decision shortsighted or whatever, that's fine, but "savages"? You may view a lack of empathy on my part as the root cause of hostility in this thread, but I don't - this thread's tone was hostile well before I started posting in it. The only difference is that the hostility became personal, rather than simply being directed at a company people don't like, once people realized it could be directed at people disagreeing with them instead.

That said, I appreciate the support, as it were.

Hey, so it's not fine to consider TOZ a great, cool and nice guy but also to consider the U.S. Government he used to work for as a soldier to be an imperialist, oppressive fascist force of evil?

Daaamn.

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Werebat wrote:
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The entire rules content of support material used in APs is open content, and freely available on the Internet. So it got tenable right away, next argument?

If you are correct, then there should be APs that use material from more than core and 2-3 sourcebooks that happened to come out a titch before the given AP did. Maybe 3-4 if you count monster books.

Can you name any APs where this is the case?

So, you've moved the goalposts. Your initial point was "you need to *own* all these books!" and when that got shot down we're in the "there are so many books, I'll never be able to process them all!" zone.

Which is an age-old argument in every RPG system that has more than 1 rule book printed for it. WoD, WFRP, GURPS, Rifts, Exalted, Shadowrun, Star Wars... Except in this case you don't need to shell out the money to keep up, that is.

The funny thing about the 3.5 gaming crowd, which makes up the vast majority of Pathfinder player base, is that they, for the most part, embraced the vast sea of options. Pathfinder isn't the only RPG out there, it even isn't the only iteration of D&D out there, and I can pretty much bet that all those people who prefer lite gaming hardly ever touched 3.5, let alone Pathfinder, and are out there happily playing OSR retroclones or whatanot.

Also, most folks can see PF for what it is and what it's not. I highly doubt that Paizo's business goal was, at any point, to satisfy every RPG gamer out there, or even every D&D gamer. The primary demographic was, and likely will be, folks who enjoyed 3.5 and got dumped upon by WotC when they killed 3.5 and started 4e.

Important point: 3.5 didn't die because of rules bloat, it didn't die because people stopped buying it, and it didn't die because the system fell apart. When WotC pulled the plug, it was an extremely popular, widely played and enjoyed game despite all the dozens of splatbooks and a sea of 3PP material. 3.5 was axed only because the Corporate Overlords of Hasbro decided that a new stream of fresh money generated by a new edition is what they want at the next annual bottom line. The fact that a massive market wanted *more* of 3.5 was made pretty evident when Pathfinder hit it high with the promise of bringing "more of the same" to the table.

So maybe you're not the target market group. But that fact alone doesn't mean that the system is going to fall apart.

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Werebat wrote:
Pan wrote:
So really the groaning going on here is werebat under the weight of his powergamers.

That would be true if I were the only person in my situation.

But I'm not, and as time goes on it will get worse for everyone.

Paizo, for example, can't assume when it writes its APs that everyone out there has every supplement it has also put out. That would lead to people eventually dropping their AP subscriptions because they couldn't use all of the APs due to their containing supplemental material they don't own (I know there have been exceptions to this but it is generally true).

Eventually you have a situation where player groups will have many more options (and thus generally more power) than the adversaries in the APs can have, due to said adversaries being largely restricted to core rules.

The more times rolls on, the worse the situation gets.

It is ultimately untenable.

The entire rules content of support material used in APs is open content, and freely available on the Internet. So it got tenable right away, next argument?

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Werebat wrote:
Coridan wrote:

I do agree that Pathfinder is putting out too much in regards to player oriented crunch. I despise everything the ACG is doing, though unchained doesn't bother me.

And we've seen this before, with 3.5. We know where it led.

For what it's worth WotC has formally stated that they plan to produce less "crunch" and more material that sure sounds a lot like Adventure Paths.

In short, they seem to have been watching Paizo, and taking notes.

All of this is good for us, the consumers/players.

It is simply my observation that certain patterns we have seen before are coming around again. And we'll see them yet again, in time.

You know, I still remember all those "business prophets" who declared that Paizo is going to go bankrupt by 2009 and have their assets sold to Necromancer Games for silly money in order to pay the overdue rent. Because, you know, repeating patterns and so on.

So I'd be careful with divination.

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Yes. Give me my 400 USD of PDFs back.

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Quick, somebody start a 'I want less RP in the APs thread'.

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magnuskn wrote:

Yep, the devs vastly underestimated the damage output PC's have at the high (meaning: after 3rd ^^) tiers. Now, the problem here already is that they have published a lot of mythic creatures and redoing all their hitpoints would be awkward. I wonder if the writers are willing to go to that length.

Then again, I've said since the alpha of the CRB that at high levels hitpoint totals for opponents (and PC's, to be perfectly honest) are way too low compared to the damage output of a normal party.

magnuskn wrote:

Have hitpoints and AC been adjusted upwards for the higher CR monsters?

A problem I generally encountered in my campaigns was that at higher levels, players were able to put out several hundreds of points of damage in a round, making fights even against a dragon generally last only about two to three rounds.

That's from June 2009. ^^

Yeah, you were running your games for 6 turbo optimizers since 2009 and you were curious why HP totals eyeballed at 4 non-optimized PCs are too low. Shocker!

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Odraude wrote:

"Spoiling the pages of your bestiary," eh?

Way to once again be dismissive of what people like. That elitist attitude you have about other people's ideas is really annoying. Though I'm sure if we said your suggestions would spoil the bestiary, you'd suddenly play the victim.

You do realize it's Sincubus after his bi-monthly alias change, right? :)

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I love this community! Over the last 8 years, I've been:

- threatened with physical violence
- using firearms, once
- both occasions, luckily, would require the other party to fly over the Atlantic, so no biggie
- put on an ignore list a zillion times (magnuskn still gets nightmares about how the ignore script stops working and he sees my posts again)
- had letters sent to my workplace telling that I'm a bad person and should be fired ASAP
- threatened with lawsuits (always get a giggle from these)
- told that Jesus hates me
- told that Jesus loves me
- tempbanned twice (I blame Edition Wars)

But also I've met dozens of amazing people and I hope to meet them some day. And have a drink. And play a game. Which hopefully doesn't involve physical violence using firearms...

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GM Xabulba wrote:
Do you guys really want troll shaming to be thing?

I'm a very shameless person, so it doesn't really get me :)

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Mythic Distant Worlds AP could be a good idea. Turbo Cyber Liches and Dead God Robots ... mmmm ... mmmmmm.

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Epic didn't work.

Mythic works if you accept the fact that it generates turbo rocket rag superhero gameplay. I'm not sure if that's what people are expecting from 20+ games.

Face it tiger, the ruleset based on iterative attacks, reality-warping magic available on mid levels and three digit numbers just can't handle itself at higher levels.

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Orthos wrote:
Captain Kid Rime wrote:
Josh Frost
Mike McArtor

FRANK TROLLMAN

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You remember when Liz Courts and Mike Moreland were just two hyperactive fanpersons.

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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
jimibones83 wrote:
It sucks to watch people come in and voice such negative opinions of something your totally amped about. Those of us who like syfy feel like anyone who dislikes it should just ease up and let us have our day for once. We can have both fantasy and syfy:)
Can we have sci-fi or SF instead of syfy? Because syfy is... I think it's an obscene Polish word. Gorbacz?

It's plural from 'syf' which itself comes from 'syfilis', and means a really ugly mess. Fustercluck is the closest English equivalent.

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Scott Betts wrote:


The OGL cat is out of the bag, but at this point it's ugly and malnourished and very few people are willing to put up with its crap.

Well, I'd say it's a quite a big cat that ate WotC's market leadership for lunch, but YMMV.

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Given that I ain't seeing any OGL in the free Basic Rules, I give it chances slim to zero.

Most likely scenario is some kind of compatibility license for non-profit works only. After all, who would want to risk another Pathfinder situation? :)

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I miss Ciretose. Oh, wait...

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I believe at lot of hangs on how good Iron Gods will be. Jade Regent, while not a bad AP at all, didn't really manage to get me excited about Dragon Empires (mostly because it spends half the AP away from Tian Xia).

Iron Gods dodges that bullet by getting us there and right away. And the author lineup is sweet. And Space Goddess Crystal is writing the final adventure. And the stars are right.

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Yeah, the constant "It's just one AP! And we won't be publishing just science-fantasy stuff during these 6 months! And the next AP will be traditional fantasy! And the one after that! Promise!" feels like a band that released a conceptual album and now tries to placate the rabid traditionalists fans so that they won't go away.

Sure, you gotta make money for living and this is a turbo conservative corner of a conservative hobby. Still, disheartening.

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James Jacobs wrote:
But six months later, we'll be back in familiar fantasy territory with Giant Slayer... and the one after that as well!

*sigh*

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The problem is, as much as we're fond of it and all, Goalrion is just way too small an IP for an AAA+ game to be based upon.

And Paizo likely wouldn't settle for some indie studio doing a PF game in a basement.

So it's bit of Catch 22 here.

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Jeven wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome.
Other customers are just giving feedback to Paizo about their preferences and/or seeking reassurance that they are not permanently changing their focus. Its not about you.

Cool. Can that feedback be more "Hey guys, I'm really not into sci-fi!" and less "You betrayed us, True Fans of Fantasy?". Thank you.

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James Jacobs wrote:

And folks... especially talking bags...

Don't be jerks, please. Some folks won't like the same things you like. That's perfectly fine.

We're doing plenty with Iron Gods and sci-fi at this point... no one needs to worry that we'll suddenly not produce any of it because someone voices an opinion against it. And those who DON'T like it, rest assured that not everything we publish during the 6 months Iron Gods is going on will be sci-fi associated, and after that's over we'll be going back to pretty much straight fantasy again.

The game is big enough for all of us. The industry isn't so big that it doesn't weep when we fight and bicker.

HUGS!!!!

Having people constantly pop up and tell you that you're a Not True Fantasy Fan because you enjoy something else than knights and princesses can sometimes get tiresome. Especially if you've been organising fan conventions since the dark times of 90s and you're really trying hard to accommodate every degree of fandom, from people who pick apart every word penned by Tolkien to furry anime fans.

And the constant defensive "it's OK, Iron Gods is just a phase, then we're back to your beloved traditionalist giants and orcs stuff" from Paizo staff doesn't help much.

Traditionalists can literally choke themselves on the urzillion FR/Greyhawk/Dragonlance material out there. Really, is it that hard to see that some things have been done to death and some fresh air is needed badly in our hopelessly conservative hobby? Paizo is doing just that - skimming genre boundaries and treating long neglected topics such as the existence of non-heteresexual people with respect, and in the end we have all those fandom neo-cons yelling that the world is falling apart.

Blergh.

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APs are written to appeal to the average D&D gamer. An average D&D gamer is looking for lots of combat with some cool RP/story elements, not the other way round.

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I'm all for those changes.

If Wizards are buffed as well. :)

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All we need now is to buy enough Iron Gods to convince Paizo do to a Distant Worlds AP.

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captain yesterday wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
NUMERIA!!!!!
isnt that coming before Giant Slayer?

Yes! And the basic rules of symmetry and elegance call for one to come also after! :)

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NUMERIA!!!!!

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I think the book should be renaned 'Pathfinder Exxxtreme' and have a Rob Liefeld cover.

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Insain Dragoon wrote:
I think to new players it may seem complicated, at least in the eyes of the devs. Remember that how the devs see and play the game is not the same as how players see and play the game.

There's also the horrifying option of that the way you see the game is not the way devs and majority of players see the game.

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I predict PFS swamped with Captain Andoran variants...

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Rynjin wrote:


Sorry to be the gloomy Gus on this one.

It's OK, wake us up when you've got something else to say apart from "My expectations were failed. Again." ;-)

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I'm very happy for Amazon and BookDepository. Without them, my chances of ever giving Paizo my money for hardcovers and boxes would be slim to none.

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Lou Diamond wrote:

Jason, if you fix other rules in unchained please fix the WBL table it does not mesh with the cost of magic items. Pazio designs many great magic items that players will never see as they are too expensive for any pazio produced products. Examples Shadow Lords Armor 117,500gp Field Medics Breast Plate 53,500 gp, Most staffs. It is now nice to tease the people who buy your products with Items there characters will never be able to buy because of faulty WBL designed by WOTC [note this not Pazio's fault except you did not fix it.]

Errr ... a level 16 (top of the line for most Paizo APs) char can afford either of these, doubly so if crafting.

Also, the rules need to support 17+ levels, too.

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There's already an Inner Sea Bestiary book in the campaign setting line, but IIRC it contains new monsters only.

Considering that each and every monster* is open content, I'm not really seeing profit in a book of reprints stripped of Golarion lore.

* apart from Deep Crow, that displacer-beast-like-thing from SD and a couple Lovecraftian monsters.

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The last two posts show why this book will likely never be made: some people want "courtship and red blushes" book and some people want "sexual rituals and stats for STDs" book and having them both meet in the middle is kinda impossible.

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Just like you have some people preoccupied with making sure their setting is 100% turbo official canon compatible, some folks want the rules side of their game to be 100% kosher Jason Buhlman approved.

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Evan Tarlton wrote:

Very nice!

What are his alignment and religion?

Alignment: Chaotic Metal, deity: Ronnie James Dio.

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Nëëds mȫrë ǚmläüts.

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Oh damn, I thought Paizo is making a Golarion/Old World mashup and we're having an AP about Gotrex & Felix.

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Insain Dragoon wrote:
How often has Paizo APs actually used non-core material?

Quite often. I think that every AP installment uses at least several monsters from beyond the first bestiary and an NPC or two with non-core classes. Standard policy is that anything that is avaialable in the official SRD is just referenced, while non-SRD material gets reprinted in full.

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Calthaer wrote:
Paizo would only "mak" the same amount of money if all the quantities sold on Amazon were automatically transferred to Paizo.com. Amazon has breadth of distribution that Paizo.com doesn't. While I'm sure Paizo isn't "forced" to use them, Amazon's sheer internet momentum and SEO domination likely makes it disadvantageous to ignore them. In addition, Paizo likely IS making more on sales at Paizo.com, even if they matched Amazon's price, because they're getting a higher margin on the product.

Also, because of Amazon's silly shipping prices, many overseas customers can actually buy books which they would never afford otherwise - 60+ USD shipping on hardcovers is a no-go for me, and I can only imagine it gets worse in more remote corners of the Earth.

So either Paizo sells me a hardcover book through Amazon and gets 50% of the value in their pocket, or they don't sell me the book at all. One of these two is a valid business choice, the other not so much :)

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GIANT ROBOTZ WITH LAZORS.

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bugleyman wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
To me, it's D&D NextNextPlus, in order to differentiate it from the inevitable D&D NextPlusPlus which will come out in 2019.
Yes, Gorby, we get it. You hate all things WotC. Thanks for that. :/

You're welcome.

At least I'm consistent and not changing my views 180 degrees every other season. :)

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To me, it's D&D NextNextPlus, in order to differentiate it from the inevitable D&D NextPlusPlus which will come out in 2019.

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Becaue Amazon can afford to sell things at turbo deep discounts (or in some cases, at a loss) because they earn on the sheer amount of stuff they sell.

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