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I changed "RAGELANCEPOUNCE" to "rage-lance-pounce" in the thread title because I'm tired of thinking this thread is shouting at me. All caps considered harmful in thread titles.

This thread isn't going anywhere and we're tired of dealing with the flags for it, so I'm closing it. Blue Star, if you have a specific answerable question feel free to open a new one, otherwise let's consider this argument done and had.

This bug has been fixed.

* I just ran into an issue where clicking on the heading (in the "trail" at the top. Example: "Paizo / Messageboards / paizo.com / Website Feedback", and clicking on Website Feedback) would bring me to the archives of that forum.

This bug has not, because I can't duplicate it either.

Long story. Let's just say I was made an offer I couldn't refuse.

Gary Teter wrote:

The behavior you're seeing is actually how the quoting feature has been supposed to work for some time now—it's supposed to remove quoted material and only include new text. Last week I had some time and tweaked the code a bit to make it do what it's supposed to do.

Personally I have a very difficult time reading conversations on our messageboards where there's a lot of nested quoting and find myself having to go back and re-read posts that I had skipped previously because they were lost in a sea of nested grey. But maybe that's just me.

It's just you. Or, at least, it's definitely not me.

I edit my posts. I cut away what I don't need, which is a lot easier than putting things in that are not included per default (by which I not just mean the original content the bug is cutting away, but also quotes-in-quotes).

On a similar vein, the post cut-off is extremely annoying, too: I rarely quote an entire post, but often, the stuff I do want to quote is way at the bottom of a long, long post, and so I have to go and copy and paste it because it was in the part that was cut off.

Gary Teter wrote:

In general I think quoting a quote of a quote of a quote is something that people have been doing not because it's the best way to express themselves but rather because it's been the default behavior of the reply button. And clicking "reply" is the easiest way to join a conversation here since it's on the page up to fifty more times than "add new post." So I think this is a pretty good example of a default behavior actually hindering the very thing it's intended to enhance—good conversation.

I know that when I hit reply instead of add new post to put in something new, I always clear out the text box.

Gary Teter wrote:

I would like to keep this new behavior around for at least a few days to see how it affects thread readability and the quality of the conversation rather than just knee-jerk reverting it because it's different.

There's not just...

As you can see from this obnoxious wall of quoted text, the old behavior has been brought back.

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This bug will be fixed in a few minutes.

I am having a hard time picturing a series of events that could actually cause this to happen. If you see it happen again please let me know ASAP with as many details as possible.

I'm not sure what's in this for Paizo. It sounds like a bunch of changes to our already overly-complex commerce to track and maintain this information throughout the order processing process, changes that are likely to introduce new bugs. But I'm willing to listen if someone wants to make a case for it.

You're right, it's for legacy reasons. I'm not sure it serves a purpose anymore.

If we ever do allow user uploaded images that's precisely what it would be for.

I think relative URLs are probably OK in RSS feeds but only if the reader supports them, and some readers don't. This should be fixed now.

I try to keep up with FaWtL but often I can't, if you've got specific feedback about the new quoting (or any other feature) the best way to make sure I see it is to post in website feedback. (Thread about new quoting.)

To tell the truth, for basically every feature request related to our messageboards you can probably just go to my profile page, click on my posts tab, and search my posts for keywords related to the feature you're requesting. Or search the website feedback forum. It's rare that we get a request that hasn't been made before. And when I reply to a request with a bunch of links to previous posts where I've talked about that particular feature, that's what I'm doing to find those posts.

So, signatures: No. Animated gifs: No. Smilies: No. Inline images: No. Private messages: Someday. Volunteer moderators: No. Private avatars: No. Switching to 3rd-party bulletin board software: No. Firing the twelve-year-olds responsible for our website design and getting us out of the '90s: Someday. Using PHP: No. Outsourcing website design, maintenance, moderation: No. Adding features like focus, dots, x new, aliases, enhancing play-by-post, etc: ongoing.

Removed a post. While rape is often the "default offensive joke" it really doesn't have to be, and I'm kind of tired of seeing it used that way.

But it's fixed now. I'm sure something else is broken but I don't know what that is just yet. I am confident it will come, however. The b0rken always does.

I forgot to mention, we fixed viewing who's favorited a comment in a product discussion thread.

Edit: And just as I hit the submit button on this post, I thought to myself, "I wonder if viewing favorites on a comment in a blog post discussion thread is broken..." And it turns out, it is.

I just realized that I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. You can ignore most of my previous post and skip to the part about using only everything after the last quote mark being a bug. My apologies.

Bad for play-by-posts, where someone responds to several posts with one and is liable to have several quotes from different characters in his posts, as there is no way to "get to" the original material above the last quoted material.

Yeah as soon as I saw this thread I realized that play-by-posters might want the old behavior and have a good reason for that. It's possible we can make this an individual preference (less likely) or a campaign-threads-default-to-old-behavior default.

Bad also, for any time someone writes something, quotes another post as an example, and then writes something else, like is about to happen a million times in the RPG Superstar forums, for the same reason.

I think I want to see more evidence of this being problematic in practice before saying it's a real problem. People can still scroll up and copy & paste, and if they're quoting multiple posts in a single post, they have to anyway.

And replying to a post like this would just give you a blank window.

That would actually be considered a bug, what it's supposed to do is extract the text that's outside the quoted material, not just that following it. Even if we keep the new behavior I'd want it to properly handle quoting posts like the one linked.

I broke it all real good!

If you mean the thing where you insert tags that will embed an image hosted somewhere other than paizo.com directly in the page, no we will not be doing that. The main reasons are: Remotely hosted images can be changed maliciously to become pornographic or shock images. It is a security risk. And most importantly, we prefer people to use their words rather than depending on a "U MAD BRO" image macro to communicate. There's lots of places on the internet for that kind of thing, just not here.

The behavior you're seeing is actually how the quoting feature has been supposed to work for some time now—it's supposed to remove quoted material and only include new text. Last week I had some time and tweaked the code a bit to make it do what it's supposed to do.

Personally I have a very difficult time reading conversations on our messageboards where there's a lot of nested quoting and find myself having to go back and re-read posts that I had skipped previously because they were lost in a sea of nested grey. But maybe that's just me.

In general I think quoting a quote of a quote of a quote is something that people have been doing not because it's the best way to express themselves but rather because it's been the default behavior of the reply button. And clicking "reply" is the easiest way to join a conversation here since it's on the page up to fifty more times than "add new post." So I think this is a pretty good example of a default behavior actually hindering the very thing it's intended to enhance—good conversation.

I would like to keep this new behavior around for at least a few days to see how it affects thread readability and the quality of the conversation rather than just knee-jerk reverting it because it's different.

I figured today's changes would break a third-party ignore script. They might actually make creating a new one easier, but I wouldn't be surprised if future changes break that one too. Our policy on ignoring individual posters hasn't changed, though please note that you can now hide entire threads if you like.

Still not sure what's caused this, but I've turned on some additional logging which may help track down the problem. Please let us know when you have this problem so we can correlate it with the logs.

When you say plain white screen, do you mean there was no Paizo logo or other text on the page?

That's really weird. That's the right link. There's nothing browser-specific about it. What is the number centered at the bottom of the page?

Glad it's working. I'll close the thread.

We're not doing anything special for the iPhone at this time. Can you click-and-hold on the "add to post" link, copy it, and paste it here?

OK, I take it back. Viewing who's favorited a post in a product discussion thread is still broken.

A couple instances of the website went temporarily insane. At least that's my theory. I've rotated them out so everything should be OK now. If you see this problem again please note the number centered at the very bottom of the page.

I don't remember fixing this specific bug but it looks like it may be fixed now. Please let us know if you continue to have difficulties with this.

Viewing who's favorited a post should be fixed now. Sebastian, we're still investigating your beer can.

Can we not have a 4e-vs.-Pathfinder discussion here?

This should be fixed now.

This is something we're looking into and hope to have a fix for by the end of the day.

Sorry about that, this should be fixed Monday. For now you can use this link.

Actually most of the things in the new shiny won't be visible for most people for another few weeks at best. But the stuff for those of us with sekrit powers will be pretty sweet. At least I hope so. They'll make me happy, at least, which is all that really matters.

Fortunately I am too lazy to bother adding that to my todo list before Monday, by which time I will have forgotten this thread exists. Also it looks fine on my iPhone. Are you sure you're using a real iPhone and not a empty beer can or something?

Well, I was fixing to *click* and leave the site for the weekend running shiny new code, but I found a flaw at the last minute and I'm too tired to figure out what's going on. So no shinies until next week I guess.

I thought we could have this fixed before the weekend but at the last minute I found a flaw in the new code so we're leaving the old code in place until Monday. Sorry about that, I was looking forward to the new code.

I believe I am using this post to test a couple things.

Or are you getting rid of all aliases and just going with IP addresses, thereby eliminating any and all sock puppetry?

Actually I'm testing something completely else.

.......CLICK.........

The click will come later today I hope.

ALL YOUR OPINIONS ARE SUCK!

I am testing something!

I would like to point out that talking about people's behavior on other sites, or discussing people who are no longer active on this site, is basically not cool. Icyshadow and Gorbacz, please knock it off.

If you fill in the "full name" field on your profile page that should get your lists to show up for anybody searching for your name. However I just checked and it looks like that isn't working the way it should.

For now, the best way is to email a link to your wishlist.

It is different then a like, but from what I have gotten from the web guys that is as close as we are likely to see.

Maybe.