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Add me as another vote for the Mythic material to be its own separate book.


And I'd bet dollars to donuts that its paid off for them rather well, and continues to do so. ;)

Tangent, my friend, you can talk until you are blue in the face and its not going to change our desire for a pretty hardcover compilation book. Lisa Stevens would need to come on here and say that it will NEVER happen (with all caps), until then I will stay hopeful (and confident) that another one will be made.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
Gambit wrote:
Ken Pawlik wrote:
I kind of prefer Pact Magic Unleashed, it helps it maintain its own identity.
Well theres Psionics Unleashed already, but even the Psionics people went with the Ultimate branding for their big book. Anyway, it was just a suggestion and not a huge deal either way.

The thing about the word ultimate, though, is that when its modifying a noun (like the word Pact Magic), it implies a certain finality. Like this is the last book on Pact Magic we're ever going to do.

This is totally NOT the last book on Pact Magic I want to do. I still want to do the Weird Bestiary, I still want to do Animism, and I still want to write up King Solomon's 72 Demons as spirits. As a result, I'm not convinced that Ultimate is the most appropriate title for the book.

Well there's always "Advanced Binding Guide". :P

I see what your line of thought there is, but also its not like we didn't receive any more supplements with magic in them after Ultimate Magic was released. And Dreamscarred still has more psionics supplements planned, even after Ultimate Psionics. Anyway, its all just food for thought. :)


Interesting. With Runelords they didnt need to change much, with Curse they wouldnt need to change much, with Second Darkness they would need to do a whole heap of revision, that thing is a mess (though I do like most of the overall story).


Thats a shame, they are even doing a Privateer archetype that can be taken by Warlords in the 2nd Path of War book.


Kthulhu, usually the only one I ever see people truly clamoring for is Curse of the Crimson Throne. Most of the time I only see Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire brought up as counter points by compilation naysayers using the whole "where will it end?" argument, or the completionists like Wiggz who desire to have them all.

I like you Wiggz, well said on all counts.

Oh, and for a little reference point, 5 years was the entire lifespan of 3.5


Ken Pawlik wrote:
I kind of prefer Pact Magic Unleashed, it helps it maintain its own identity.

Well theres Psionics Unleashed already, but even the Psionics people went with the Ultimate branding for their big book. Anyway, it was just a suggestion and not a huge deal either way.


Alexander Augunas wrote:
A lot

So the answer to my question from the product thread was..."yes". :P

Look forward to the Kickstarter. (By the way I think you should just go with Ultimate Pact Magic for the name)


Are there plans to take volume 1, 2, and the eventual 3 that is mentioned and turn them into one giant hardback compilation book, perhaps with a Kickstarter? (I think Ultimate Psionics spoiled me :P)


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This might be a discussion you want to take over to the Giant in the Playground forum also. They will probably have some different perspectives to offer.


Chengar Qordath wrote:
Marroar Gellantara wrote:
Gambit wrote:
Well, there's always the good ole tier list as a measuring stick.

Bwahahaha magus weak tier 3. Bwahaha

Or better put. Magus somehow being worse than Hunter (not that hunter is bad, but really?)

It's very easy to see the Magus as being all about spell combat + spellstrike, and miss that he has a very nice spell list that consists of far more than just Shocking Grasp, Intensified Shocking Grasp, Empowered Intensified Shocking Grasp...

While I dont agree that Magi are weak tier 3, they are definitely tier 3, probably right smack dab in the middle of it. Nowhere close to tier 2 though.


If Dreamscarred stuff is kosher you could also do a Warlord who focuses on Golden Lion and Scarlet Throne, and takes the Deadly Agility feat. No spells but you are an excellent combatant and charisma focused leader of men.


Well I used the example of not buying an AP because it lacked one specific issue because I actually witnessed this. I have a buddy who is a big Ravenloft fan and wanted to buy Carrion Crown, but was unable to get the first volume for any kind of reasonable price, so he decided to pass on the whole thing. He didnt then go "I missed out, I guess I better go subscribe". He wanted one specific AP and couldn't get its completed form, so his dollars stayed put.

Also the "just wait 5 years" argument did make me chuckle, so thank you for that. ;)

Steve your post brings up another interesting question, I wonder what percentage of all Pathfinder players are subscribers to at least one product line.


You didn't really address either of the specific questions I posited.


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Iammars wrote:

I'm glad we're getting a sourcebook on one of the most evil nations in the Inner Sea. Most of the options won't be suitable for players, but they'll make good depraved enemies for my players to fight.

This message brought to you by the Opparan Beautification Committee.

Spoken like a true Chelaxian.


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Well, there's always the good ole tier list as a measuring stick.


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Gorbacz wrote:
I smell drones, death penalty and Gitmo! ;P

Who knew Bags of Devouring preferred MSNBC?! :P


O say can you see


Republishing popular APs that will sell seems a far cry from TSR spitting out full lines for 8 different campaign settings.

Heres another thought, what if someone wants to buy a whole AP from Paizo, but cant get one of the installments (usually the first) because it is out of print? This is currently the case with both Carrion Crown and Skull and Shackles. That is 5 units of current product that could be shipped, but wont because its missing one piece.

But my real question, has the company suffered from the RotRL AE, or have they made a tidy profit from it? It has to be one of the highest selling non-core products they have.


Aside from Crimson Throne (or the other 3.5 ones) being updated into a hardback. I dont really understand why they dont do new print runs of really popular APs in their softcover form. Kingmaker is pretty much OOP, but it is still one of the most popular APs there is. I would think a new print run of softcovers would sell with no problem. As it stands now most of the individual adventures run for anywhere between $30-70 per issue from the rando's on Ebay and Amazon.


I own exactly 3 AP's, Runelords AE, Kingmaker, and Carrion Crown...this may be my 4th.

I have a feeling Dwarf Rangers are going to be super popular.


I just don't understand the all hate for third party material in the PbP games around here. I mean an Occultist would be a blast to play for this adventure.


Would someone ask the kind and noble people at d20pfsrd why they decided to leave out the poor Dragon Fury. The rest of the stuff has been up for a couple weeks.


^^^ What he said! ;)


OP, I also tend to agree with the majority of replies here that the Witch is a great class as is, not to mention VERY powerful (seriously, it is a Tier 1 class, if you know what that means).

Although I wanted to give some help so that maybe you will find something closer to what you envision.

A few months back a Kickstarter ran for a Pathfinder supplement called Strange Brew, giving a bevy of new options to play a Witch in Pathfinder, it might provide what you are looking for. The Kickstarter is over, however I'm sure the product will be available for sale sometime soon (probably here on Paizo too). Here are the links you will find useful.

Kickstarter Page

Discussion Thread

Hope this helps.


Fansy says hello.


Lemmy wrote:
Better question is... Why play a Swashbuckler when you can play a Daring Champion Cavalier?

This is the winner right here. Swashbucklers are just not that great.

For me the question is, if I want a charismatic warrior, why would I ever play a Swashbuckler when I can play a Warlord instead?


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DragGon7601 wrote:
On another note I was watching a random youtube video about honor in martial arts (or rather the lack of it in real life history), and he mentioned a style for bodyguards... This reminded me of the devoted defender from the old 3rd Ed, and I thought to myself "how much support for this type of character is there in POW?"... I quickly skimmed through the styles and while I did see the odd move here and there, no one style seemed to make its self the go to style for protecting someone. There is of course the Sworn Protector whos Shared Counter ability really helps build this character type but no style. Anyway its an Idea for a future style if you haven't already made one... Iā€™m sure many a Wiz/Soc would love to have a cohort with such a style.

I think a Sworn Protector Warder with the Bodyguard and In Harms Way feats would embody this concept pretty darn well.


I'd buy a PF Curse of the Crimson Throne hardcover compilation in a heartbeat. I'd pay $100 for it.


Awesome, got it, thanks for the reply Chris.

While I have your attention, can I maybe get an answer to another question that got skipped over in the massive OotS thread?

Are there any plans in PoW2 to do a Solar Wind/archery focused prestige class in the vein of the the Dragon Fury and Umbral Blade?


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I have a kazoo, do you think that will work?

Anyway, I am actually 32. I spent 6 years in the Air Force where I lived for 2 years in Japan, 2 years in England, and a year in Norway. Im once again a civilian and back in the states working for my stepdads business. I love college football with a passion (you probably wont be seeing many posts from me on Saturdays for the next 3-4 months), and while I especially love my particular team (the Georgia Bulldogs), I just enjoy the sport as a whole.

I started RPGs with 2nd Edition AD&D when I was 19, it became another passion of mine (I can still fondly remember a couple 18-24 hour sessions we had back then), and have loved all things D&D ever since (sans 4E). I played EQ back in the day, and then WoW for a few years, but haven't really touched an MMO in the last 4 years (although I do sporadically hop on Project 1999, a free classic EQ emulation server). The Baldurs Gate series is probably my all time favorite computer RPG, and Final Fantasy 3/6 is my favorite in that series (followed closely by 2/4 and 7).

I think that about covers my bio and geek attributes. ;)


Cross posting from the OotS forums in the hopes that Jeremy sees and it can hopefully be remedied before the book goes to print.

In the book it says that the Zweihander Sentinel trades Broken Blade for Scarlet Throne, and loses Bluff (aka, the Iron Tortoise skill) but gains Sense Motive. Shouldn't it lose Acrobatics (the Broken Blade skill), not Bluff.

Also in the Dervish Defender, it says you gain Thrashing Dragon and lose Iron Tortoise. It then says that you lose Bluff as a class skill and gain Acrobatics as a class skill...except the Warder already has Acrobatics as one of his base class skills (seeing how its also the skill for Broken Blade). So does he just lose Bluff and gain nothing?


I dont know about the PRD (I never really use it), but its all up on the d20pfsrd.


Hola Shalafi. I actually just finished a RL Dawn of Defiance campaign (like last week). It was our last hurrah with Saga as we are going to be switching over to Fantasy Flights system for all future Star Wars games.

I wish you well in running it my friend.

P.S. How did you Dragonlance campaign go?


Baldurs Gate....of coarse, lol.

Wizard it is then. So no material at all from the ACG, even feats or archetypes, or are just the classes banned?


Im thinking possibly a Moon Elven Wizard or Arcanist from Myth Drannor, he has been displaced since it was overrun again and he has been staying with distant family in Silverymoon ever since.

Elton, I think I missed it if you previously disclosed, but where in FR will this primarily be located? Will it be in the classical locations, the Sword Coast, Waterdeep, Cormyr, the Dales, etc? Or is it going to be in some out of the way location like Damara or the Shaar?


We usually have 6 in our parties, so Im gonna go with that.

Warder (from Path of War) - melee badass and a true tank (substitute for Paladin if maneuvers offend you)

Ranger - giant slayer and the warders flanking buddy (Slayer also works here)

Wizard - this campaign screams for a wizard, provides all the normal wizard awesomeness (can also be Arcanist)

Oracle - life mystery, your general divine caster, the ultimate healer in the game (with the exception of maybe a Vitalist), can also act as secondary face

Investigator - empiricist archetype, the trapfinder and skill monkey extraordinaire, loads of utility, decent combatant too

Bard - arcane duelist archetype, the true party face, buff/inspire, goes archery for combat effectiveness


Nice things for fighters!


Full plate, and packing steel


Lets see, the movie Avengers:

Iron Man: Aegis

Captain America: Shield Champion Brawler

Thor: Thors more difficult, especially since he is something of a demigod, I think I would probably go with a high level Warlord from Path of War, focused on Primal Fury (for melee) and Solar Wind (for thrown).

Hulk: The Hulk is an interesting one, I would say the best way to handle him is he is an Alchemist/Wild Rager Barbarian, not multiclassed persay, rather both of those simultaneously, but with access to only one at a time. In human form he is an Alchemist, but when his mutation takes over he becomes a Wild Rager Barbarian, with completely different statistics, losing access to his Alchemist abilities, but gaining his Barbarian features (I would actually use two separate character sheets).

Hawkeye: Archer Fighter

Black Widow: Probably also a Brawler, multiclassed with either Rogue or Slayer.

Of coarse none of them would be less than 10th level.


I am fully prepared to go for the eyes.


If it is Pathfinder, is Dreamscarred material allowed? I really want to play a Vhaerun worshiping Drow Stalker (possibly going into the Umbral Blade prestige class). His favorite pastime is killing priestesses of Lolth.

Or, another fun character with that material, a Warlord that takes the Dragon Fury prestige class, focusing on the dual-wielding (not of scimitars) that drow find second nature. He would of coarse be a House Weaponmaster.

I already have a name picked out too, Darkadius Duthrax

Would this campaign be PG-13, R, or NC-17?


Just want to see

3d6 ⇒ (5, 5, 1) = 11
3d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 4) = 12
3d6 ⇒ (4, 6, 2) = 12
3d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 3) = 11
3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 6) = 17
3d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 1) = 5

A really ugly cleric


How would one of these guys do for a Dragonlance Tinker Gnome?


It really all depends on campaign milieu. If I am running a War of the Lance era Dragonlance campaign, there wont be any Half-Orcs, Halflings, Sorcerers, Oracles, Summoners, or Gunslingers, and Alchemist will be a Tinker Gnome only class. There will be Minotaurs and Kender though. ;)


His ambition isnt backed or driven by a superior intellect or pure logic. It was faith that sent him west.

And anyone, even a guy with a 10 Int, can put a point into Linguistics to learn a new language.

I dont want you to think I was trying to say that he is stupid or unintelligent, hes not. What I am saying though is that his mental scores go in the order of Int<Wis<Cha.

Regarding charisma, I dislike Obama, but even I will admit that the man is charismatic. Ragnar rubs people the wrong way because he is a radical, because he upsets the status quo.


Our main DM has been using the same homebrew setting for about 15 years now, since we were playing 2E. it is a fully fleshed out world (he could write a fully detailed 300+ page campaign setting book if he wanted to).

For races he pretty much keeps it to core, with maybe an Aasimar here or a Tiefling there if a character comes up with a good story. Even gnomes weren't playable characters until he did a specific gnome only side campaign a couple of years ago that ended up bringing the race to the main continent. You will never see a party consisting of a Catfolk, Dhampir, Samsarans, Suli, and Vanara running around the world together in one of our campaigns.

For classes, so far the only one that is banned is Gunslinger (and firearms in general), for thematic purposes. Although no one in either of his groups has ever played a Summoner or does any ridiculous shenanigans, hell, I am pretty much the only one who regularly surfs online forums or has any serious optimization skills (though I usually tone it down).

All in all, our games tend to be pretty "classical".


I agree that he is not particularly intelligent (I would say he's rocking a 10), but his wisdom is pretty decent (12-14), and his charisma is good (14-16). For physical stats I could see him having 14's across the board. I like the TWF with shield bash concept you are using.


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How about that, Roy passed a Listen check. Sense Motive is another story.


I think we are all eagerly waiting on you to get the ball rolling, oh omnipresent authority figure. ;)

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