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So I've been reading over Castles & Crusades recently. I have to say, that system seems that it would run and support a pre-Age of Mortals campaign VERY well.
It has 13 classes, only 4 of which cast spells (Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Illusionist), a Bard class that could easily work well as the Noble archetype, and even sports a core Knight class.
Also, just wanted to throw my humble two cents in on something, I think Warlord and Warder sound too alike. Warder is definitely better than Knight though. I dont really know what to suggest, maybe Marshal instead of Warlord. Tactician could have worked instead of Warder if it hadnt already been used in the psionics material.
So will there eventually be a book to collect all of this plus any further support material into a massive beautiful full color hardcover with WAR cover art, ala Ultimate Psionics, either with or without a Kickstarter?
I am definitely in support of all the material, but I absolutely love the complete nature of such products.
Good lord at the ridiculousness.
Personally, I loved original EQ. I played from Classic to shortly after Ykesha, though Planes of Power was where most of my interest waned. My character was a Wood Elf Druid, I made a fortune with my taxi service pre PoP.
For me, no game has been able to capture the sheer immersion EQ provided. Exploring a was both exciting and dangerous, you were always on your toes, as death was something to fear. I think lack of serious death penalties in most modern MMO's has taken a great deal of that immersion (and enjoyment) away.
The game encouraged us to be sociable, from boat rides, to groups, to EC Tunnel trading. And the best part was, everyone made a name for themselves and had a reputation. There were no server transfers, no name changes, so if someone developed a reputation as a douchebag word would get around quick, and then they were going to feel the consequences of that in the game. A game that encourages people not to be douchebags is a good thing.
I am very excited by the potential prospects of EQ Next and I'm anxiously waiting for the full unveiling on August 2nd.
With that all said, Keovar is definitely the one in the wrong here, his first post is him unprovokingly quoting the OP and basically saying "no, you're wrong, because I say so". He could have just responded in general and said "I personally wasn't fond of EQ, it was too grindy and too punishing for my tastes", but instead he decided to go another route.
Gully Dwarf Cleric of Reorx (with the above racial adjustments)
Str 13 Dex 13 Con 17 Int 8 Wis 16 Cha 10
Nothing unplayable about that good sir. :)
I think a case could be made to lower the Int penalty to -2, but thats up to the DM, although I think it would be fair. I do think the Cha negative needs to stay at -4 though personally, I mean if a normal dwarf has a -2 then a gully has to be at least the next tier worse than that.
Obviously I am not the DM, but thats how I would do it. This is almost a direct translation of gully dwarves from the Races of Ansalon sourcebook, with even a couple extra perks thrown in. Personally I think the large negatives to Int and Cha are necessary to portray the race properly.
Hey guys, I just wanted to stop in and clear the air since it had been hinted at, I will not be taking over DMing duties for this game. Crazy busy at work right now. It's a definite possibility that I DM a Dragonlance campaign on here sometime in the future, but if I do I will be starting a new recruitment/campaign.
Also, Rizz went a different direction than I would have, cause I'll be honest, killing Laura Majere and half the town of Solace in the first 5 mins, definitely not something I would have done. Plus I couldn't figure out how one 5/6th level cleric, with a few lower level lackies, massacred an entire Solamnic garrison. Not saying Rizz was bad or wrong, just different styles.
Good luck to you all and good gaming.
High God of Krynn wrote:
Now as for taking the Knight of the Sword class, you have to meet the requirements of the class but you don't need to take levels in Knight of the Crown to get it (But you have to be a Crown Knight first). You can be a member of an organization and hold rank in it without taking the related prestige class. Examples in the book was Henry Crownguard who had levels in fighter/noble and was a Knight of the Rose. In addition Dalamar the Dark has NO levels in Wizards of High Sorcery but but still is the head of the black robes. Taking the prestige classes just provide the class benefits by taking the prestiege class levels. I will allow the Sword Knight class to stack with your Cleric Levels for purposes of your Channeling Power.
Oh I'm well aware of the mechanical difference between the DLCS Knight PrC's and the KOoA Knight PrC's, in that the latter dont require to have levels in one to advance to the next, whereas the former do.
Honestly I usually go for some sort of primary spellcaster character, wizard, cleric, etc, so instead I am going to relish my time with the greatsword this time and stick with the Paladin, who will be striving for Knight of the Rose, in RP only though, not actually taking the Rose Knight PrC. But thank you for answering my question.
In the Towers of High Sorcery sourcebook it stats a young, lower level Dalamar (set during his time as Raistlin's apprentice) who has taken the WoHS PrC. Also in alternate timelines of the Legends of the Twins sourcebook, in which the Age of Mortals never happens and the gods and wizardly magic doesnt disappear, he is statted as Master of the Conclave and has a full 10 levels in WoHS. The only time he doesn't have it was during the pre War of Souls Age of Mortals, where it was impossible for anyone to have.
And I think you mean Derek Crownguard....who you are indeed correct had the title of Rose Knight but didn't have any levels in any of the PrC's, mainly because he was LN and didn't qualify for them since you have to be LG. ;)
Woot for out of game lore discussions. :P
The Mummy's Mask? I seem to be vaguely recalling something involving Osirion and Masks...
What is that Great One....yes Your Worshipfulness, right away
The Mighty Cthulhu has informed me that a letter of ceasing and desisting will soon be on its way from the entity known as "Chaosium". You may now resume your pathetic mortal lives.
Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti wrote:
Great to hear! Did you ever get the PM I sent you?
I did, and I pretty much agreed with what you said.
This should be fun, and it seems like we have a lot of hardcore DL fans with us, I think it will make for a great group.
DM, I'm curious, (note: I'm completely happy with my character and not asking to change it) would you have allowed characters to take levels in any of the actual PrC's from the DL books? Another Knight of Solamnia character idea I have is for a Clerist, going Fighter 1/Cleric of Kiri-Jolith 7, then taking the Knight of the Sword prestige class from Knightly Orders of Ansalon, with the Clerist substitution levels. I was just curious if that would have been possible if I had decided to go that route (and thats what the party had needed).
Is this game already full? I would like to submit Drake Steelwind, a LG Human Paladin of Kiri-Jolith and Solamnic Knight aspirant looking to eventually become a Knight of the Rose. His personal life goal is to see Palanthas liberated and a wholly reunited Kingdom of Solamnia under the banner of goodness. I am very well versed in the world of Dragonlance and the lore of Krynn.
Scott wasnt saying it's better for you or I, he was saying it's better for Microsoft and the developers, more pointedly, better for their bank accounts. Microsoft doesn't care about the little guy (or the troops), all they care about is the quarterly profit margin.
I have one of the original fully backwards compatible PS3's, I still throw my PS1 disks of Final Fantasy 4, 6, 7, and Chrono Trigger in there from time to time. Also the original PS2 Tekken Tag Tournament is pretty much mine and my group of friends favorite fighting game, so we rock that on occasion too. Three generations of Playstation games on one machine is a nice thing to have, and one of my fears is when that thing eventually dies.
I'm in the Air Force, an there is a HUGE amount of individuals in the service who take their consoles with them when they deploy. The MWR usually has dozens of consoles set up for service members to play in their down time as well. Internet access for these places, when it actually exists, is horribly slow and extremely unreliable. I have a feeling that many military members won't bother with the XBOne. And those dozens of consoles in the MWR? They'll all be PS4s and WiiUs.
As a former Air Force member who was deployed to Al-Udeid, I can personally attest to the validity of this.
Scott, I have seen you use the term "par for the course" a few times in this thread to justify various things. One could say that ability to play offline and the ability to take my copy of Mortal Kombat over to my buddies house so we can play are things that have been "par for the course" for decades. I guess that term only applies when used to your advantage though.
Also I would like for you to fully address the numerous valid and legal points Irontruth has raised on the the right of first sale (other than one sentence saying you "feel" it will be revisited). Although I guess it is most likely that you have avoided the subject because you don't have a valid argument against it.
Personally I don't reward greed, I don't support projects and companies that attempt to squeeze every nickle and dime out of customers rather than rely on the quality of their goods and services to up their market share (unless said company is a necessity, like a utilities company).
I used to love Bioware, and happily bought all of their games, the Baldur's Gate trilogy are some of the greatest pieces of gaming ever created. Unfortunately Bioware (in personnel, business practices, and spirit) is not the same company anymore that made classics like BG2, NWN, and KOTOR.
Thankfully we have wonderful options like GOG and Kickstarter to utilize, personally I am more looking forward to Torment and Project Eternity than I am anything a AAA studio has on the docket.
Finally, the true beauty of capitalism is that these companies excessive greed opens up a spot for a new company and console to come in and offer great features like the ability to play offline and the ability to lend a game to a friend. This is my biggest hope, someone new will come along and offer a gaming console and service based completely on consumer (gamer) satisfaction, and THAT is what will drive it to success, that it treats its customers with respect. The ideal scenario is that it would be so successful that it decimates the competition, causing the large nickle and diming companies to relook at the their business practices.
Although how sad is it when the decades old practices of offline gaming and portability would be touted as "features"...
Human Cleric of Paladine
Whatever the final party ends up being, it should be intriguing that's for sure. :P
Good luck guys, happy to see my work live on.
Hello all, I apologize for my delay, I was at an SCA event this weekend and as such was out of pocket. First off, thanks for all the understanding and well wishes, I appreciate it.
Secondly, Im not sure what the move/new job will all entail, as such I dont want to give anyone false expectations or hopes. So as far as my involvement is concerned, this is a canceled campaign, with the possible chance of reengaging at some point in the future.
Now Bruhma, if you would like to step up and take over DMing duties, even using my timeline in doing so, I would be more than honored and you have my full blessing. I look forward to seeing how it progresses, and where you decide to take it.
And by Reorx's Beard, take care.
Shalafi, I had Sargonnas take over as patron of the Knights of the Lily (and Nuitari as patron of the Thorn Knights), but I didnt see a god as gruff and badass as Sargonnas liking the name Lily Knights, "flowers are for sissys!". :P So I had it where he changed the name of the Knights of the Lily to the Knights of the Flame. ;)
Everyone, I have some personal good news which is unfortunately going to lead to some bad news. I got a new job and will be moving to Florida at the end of the month. Unfortunately I wont have the time to commit to properly running this game, which sucks because I was really excited about finally using my timeline that I have put much work into. I do sincerely apologize and I will look into hopefully setting this up again when I get moved and settled into my new job. Good luck to you all and long live the Lance.
Wizards = Test (at around 4th level)
Sorcerers cannot take the Test of High Sorcery, join the fabled Orders of High Sorcery, and study at the Towers of High Sorcery.
High Sorcery = prepares arcane spells and has a spellbook, aka a wizard
Wizards who practice 3rd or higher level spells without having taken the Test and being a Wizard of High Sorcery are renegades.
Dunebugg, yes Knight characters will use the ones from that website (which are from the Knightly Orders of Ansalon sourcebook), the Clerist archetype is what you are looking for if you want to further clerical casting as a Knight. Yes, half elves are on the list, one of the sorcerers already submitted is a half elf.
Era, only wizards take the Test of High Sorcery and join the Orders, as a sorcerer you don't do either of those things. Although you can have trained with the sorcerers at the Academy of Sorcery if you want, which is a much more informal take on the Wizards of High Sorcery.
Wizards - High Sorcery (this name was in place long before there ever was a sorcerer class)
So far for submitted characters introduced in this thread we have:
Human Cleric of Paladine
Rumal, I'm inclined to let you use Craft (Tinkering) checks to replace Spellcraft checks for adding formulae.
Kenderkin...we are actually currently lacking a kender.
I will be starting an official recruitment thread tomorrow with everything compiled there, please officially submit your characters in the new thread when it is opened.
Bruhma, just wanted to clarify a bit in my timeline regarding your backstory. For just under 40 years, Sanction has been the home and headquarters of the evil Knights of Neraka (Takhisis), so that might conflict with what you had envisioned.
Also I was curious what you meant by this "His father was one of those new type of Knights of Solomnia, well meaning, yet failing miserably."?
It sounds like you are leaning towards N or LN.
Bruhma, so I take it you wont be looking to join an order of knights then. What is your intended alignment?
Shalafi, the background works just fine, and I would say Gerard is less bitter, although I am inclined to give him a backstory run in and mini adventure with Tasslehoff, just for laughs.
Rashly, a few things, first feel free to purchase a minotaur weapon with your starting funds, though if you want to be proficient in one you either need to take the feat or have proficiency in all martial weapons. Negative on the dwarf racial traits. Krynnish minotaurs have feet, not hooves. And being dehorned only negated the -2 to your charisma, meaning you'll start with a 16 not a 14. It did not add a +2 to charisma (which would technically be a +4 total). ;)
Era, just wanted to clarify a bit about primal sorcery in Dragonlance. Its less of a natural ability that a specific person has in their blood and more the ability to tap into the ambient magic that Chaos reawakened in the world during his rampage 40 years ago.
Primal sorcery (as opposed to the High Sorcery practiced by the wizards) is very new, as it was only discovered on Ansalon 20 years ago when it was brought by some sorcerers from a far off land, yet at the same time very ancient. High Sorcery developed out of primal sorcery thousands of years ago, after it ran wild for a time and the three moon gods of magic tamed it and introduced rules to it.
There is an Academy of Sorcery in the city of Kalaman where perspective students can go train and learn how to tap into ambient magic and the realms of primal sorcery.
9 years ago the The Wizards of High Sorcery met with the sorcerers of the Academy. This excerpt is pulled straight from my timeline:
414 AC – The Arcanite Council
Palin, Jenna, and Dalamar (who are the heads of the White Robes, Red Robes, and Black Robes, respectively) travel to the city of Kalaman to visit the leaders of the Academy of Sorcery. The wizards lay out their concerns regarding the use of primal sorcery, however the sorcerers are mostly successful in quelling the wizards initial fears. The wizards and sorcerers begin to negotiate an accord. The sorcerers will promote the responsible use of magic in their teachings and do their best to police their own, understanding the danger for them all if an arcane magic-user went on a rampage of destruction across the land. They are told if they fail to do their job here, the wizards will be forced to step in. Also a rule is laid out preventing any sorcerer from ever attempting to impersonate a Wizard of High Sorcery, breaking this rule will be harshly punished, possibly including death. And finally, if the primal sorcery they wield ever becomes uncontrollable and runs wild, as which happened thousands of years ago during the Second Dragon War, the wizards will do everything in their power to stop the raging magic and "neutralize the threat". In return for these dictates, the wizards agree to not brand the sorcerers renegades, and let them go about practicing their magic in peace. The sorcerers, not wanting to make enemies of a group as powerful as the Orders of High Sorcery, agree to the terms.
Just to clarify, a "renegade" is a wizard who practices 3rd level or higher spells without following the rules or being a member of the Orders of High Sorcery. They are hunted down, when caught they are persuaded take the Test of High Sorcery and join the Orders, or to make amends for their actions if they were a member who broke the laws, refusal of this offer usually means the death of the mage.
Era Scarecrow wrote:
Yes, wait until level 2. Although I see no reason why you should have to wait until level 3 to get summon monster 1 as a free spell, so if you take that at first level I will let you take another spell in its place as a bloodline spell. Actually I am going to make a small change to bloodline spell acquisition.
To all potential sorcerers (and mystics), you will get your bonus bloodline spells at 2, 4, 6, 8, etc rather than 3, 5, 7, 9, etc.
A general note about optimization in my games. I know the Stormwind Fallacy, which states roleplaying and optimization aren't mutually exclusive. Here is what I have to say about that, if you MUST optimize every little thing, I would prefer someone create and really get into a character concept and background, and then optimize to fit it, rather than coming up with some uber awesome character build and then trying to build a concept and backstory around it.
Long story short, I will reward good roleplaying over strict optimization every time.
Hmm lots of interest in playing arcane..
No kidding, where are all the Knights and Clerics at!? LG combined with the Oath and Measure isnt THAT scary people. :P
Era, there will be some time yes...but I will say, thinking up fun and fitting magical treasure for my PC's is one of my joys of DMing... ;)