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For starters, no-one on "your side" is asking for incontrovertible proof because they know there isn't any. And that lack is what kills your narrative cold.
So you keep saying despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. Putin and co aren't stupid. They aren't going to be overt in their support. At least not yet. Bit by bit, deniable, unprovable. When evidence does point towards clear involvement we get things like "oh, silly them, they accidentally crossed the border". It's the same playbook that plenty of countries, the US included, have used over the years. If Russia wasn't supporting the separatists their cause would have shrivelled up and faded away not long after it surfaced.
For many years I closely followed East Timor and the Indonesian annexation. Similar tactics were used by the Indonesians - "we're not involved", "it's just patriots fighting against those communists who took over power in East Timor" (not that they were communists), to "we only have volunteers there" up to "our troops were invited in by the rightful leaders of the country" and so on. Despite evidence to the contrary (and a fair amount of turning a blind eye by the west). Back in 1975 there wasn't anywhere near the same degree of coverage of the issue compared to what there is of the Ukraine - yet the truth of Indonesian involvement got out easily enough - Indonesian protestations to the contrary and Western indifference and/or connivance notwithstanding. But with the amount of coverage of the Ukraine from the MSM, amateur bloggers, citizen journalists, UN reports, aid groups, even utterances by groups of mothers of Russian servicemen and so on, the overall picture is not hard to gauge - even if the specific details are less clear.
I did a search on a Canadian "news" magazine's website re: Putin and it came up with this:
Look at the titles of the articles, the pictures used. Read the articles and all you'll find are emotional appeals to stop "evil" and "murder" and spend more on military pursuits. No hard facts, no pictures of the Russian military in action, no interrupted radio chatter, zilch.
Poor Canadian MSM. Apparently they don't have a newsfeed coming out of CSE.
Look, I'm asking you to THINK. How can any reasonable dialogue be held if s%&! like this is what's feeding the average person's mind? Is it feeding yours? Is this where your opinion is being formed? Not Maclean's specifically of course (God, I hope not...) but one of the dozens of other media outlets putting out the same crap over and again, hoping it will stick?
What is it with capitals? Is it supposed to MAKE ME ALL OF A SUDDEN COMPLETELY CHANGE MY MIND? Hmm, apparently not. Nice try though.
Compared to some of the crap that people like Vlad are quoting then it's as much a question of who wins a race to the bottom as anything else.
These people - the western governments and their tame media - are trying to direct you into war with Russia. Think about that, about how insane that is. Put aside your hatred and your news stories telling you how weak Russia is and think about that. Look how quick everyone was to accuse Russia and the rebels of shooting down MH 17. Now - silence. No black box recordings released, no radar logs, nothing. How many invasions have been alleged? How many thousands of troops does Russia have staged at the border? Incontrovertible proof is required because the stakes are very high. War with Russia would be serious business, perhaps the end of our civilization.
I don't think there is much chance of me getting into a war with Russia. I completely demobilised my military capabilities years ago when I left the army. My country's current PM, well he's another matter. But I guess he figures playing the big man from 10,000 miles away will make him look good in the eyes of the 50.5% of the population stupid enough to vote for him and his bunch of lying, class warfare warrior, neo-con halfwits. See, I can be left wing and still lean towards supporting the Ukraine over the separatists and Russia. What a crazy world we live in.
They're all the same lies, told by the same people. I've already agreed that Russia must be providing support and intel - and no-one has been able to prove more. You sure haven't. As for pulling a Vlad - I'm honoured. He's provided news reports and information of far greater relevance than anything you've put forward.
I'm not here to match Vlad news report for news report. I just like pulling him up for his oft dodgy sources, inconsistency, contradictions and, most of all, his palpable longing for the war to turn into full blown conflict.