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I'm a bit meh on Varisia mainly because I've done so many AP's and modules there that I'm a bit sick of the place and eager to see some love for the neglected parts of Golarion instead. So in answer to those saying "everybody loves Varisia" the answer is no, that's not necessarily true...

It's a bit like weeping angels in Dr Who, amazing when you first see them but familiarity breeds contempt.

HOWEVER... (shouting over the cries of outrage)

(ahem...)

A full AP, boxed set or series of modules? Written exclusively by JJ? Based on a campaign played within the hallowed halls of Paizo HQ itself?

Shut up and take my money!

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My question about Belzen is this:

Lastwall is presented as a battleground whereby the forces of civilisation have built great bastions and walls and are barely holding back the savage horde.

OK that's fine but that begs the question:

What about Ustalav?

Renchurch is roughly 100 miles from Urgir which by all rights should make it a fortified frontier town yet when it was detailed it was presented as a sleepy farming town with no mention of orcs.

I can understand the Orcs reticence to attack the Mammoth Lords or the warlike tribes of the Shoanti (even though I reckon the Orcs would smash them into goo if they felt like it) and no-one messes with Irissen but Ustalav? What's stopping them?

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Go through them and ask her which one sounds the most fun.

In the end it's not the mechanics that hook most players, it's the flavour of the class. Ask her a few questions about how she sees her character, is she civilised and book learned? Wild and dangerous? Cunning? Clever? Resourceful? Calm? Passionate?

Get an idea of how she sees her character then fit that to the most appropriate class.

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Orthos wrote:
Close, it's "M'NAAAARRRR" =)

Probably said by a ghoul as well if it's got anything to do with Mr Pett...

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Not really a fan frankly, don't see what it adds.

I don't mind Paizo doing it but honestly I can't summon up much enthusiasm.

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You have to burn a boon for an Ifrit, Sylph, Undine and Oread character all of which were only available as GM boons at conventions.

So yeah, Suli characters are rare. Not super-rare (that's reserved for Goblins, Grippli and similar where you had to do something pretty remarkable to get them) but yeah not easy to get.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
Any straight up group fight against one BBEG is going to be a curb stomp.

Incorrect. The two TPK's I have had against my party on AP BBEG's have been when said BBEG was alone.

Also

Spoiler:
Jade Regent ends with a battle against 4 equally levelled opponents

Silver Crusade

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I ran Jade Regent and the following happened at the end:

Spoiler:
The final fight against the Jade Regent was a disappointing 2 round curb stomp. It was an utter anti-climax.

That's why the rulers are tough.

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And apparently I can't type this evening. Can someone fix the thread title?

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WHAT'S HE DOING TO SQUEALLY NORD!!!!!!!????!!!!

*faints*

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So we basically come down to this.

The creative director of Paizo says that the intention of pathfinder is that this is not something that is allowed. There is no direct rule for it but that's the intention.

You at home can invoke rule 0 and that's fine but every bit of printed Pathfinder material works with that assumption.

When someone posts a question on the Paizo boards they are looking for an official line. Well there, you got it from JJ himself (thanks by the way.)

In short you have got as good an answer as you can possibly get. Everything else is an opinion.

Sure you could argue that JJ's answer is only opinion too and technically you'd be correct. But really of course JJ's opinion holds more weight than about 99.99999% of the people involved in the game. Unless Lisa turns up with a differing opinion I think you are safe to assume that is the Paizo stance...

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Am I going to get a kick if I say "like spells"

*hides*

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I wouldn't mind seeing this. It reminds me of the Dragonlance Twins trilogy.

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Buy one?

Seriously, it's a P/S weapon which is not banned.

Once you have enough fame to afford 8,335gps you're all set.

Don't see an issue here.

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Congrats Tonya.

You guys in Canada don't know quite how good a VC you just got. But you will soon. :)

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Yeah. Give me Galt.

Vive la revolution!

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Inner Sea Reigon anyone? :)

No big deal. Just one of those things.

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Oh and I have about 150 tables of PFS played and GMed

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OK here goes...

Shackled City: Completed as player
Age of Worms: Completed as GM (TPK on BBEG)
Savage Tide: Currently GMing. On part 4
Rise of the Runelords: Currently GMing. On Book 6.
Curse of the Crimson Throne: Completed as GM
Second Darkness: Completed as player
Legacy of Fire: Completed as GM
Council of Thieves: Got through to book 2 when the game collapsed
Kingmaker: Completed as GM (TPK on BBEG)
Serpent's Skull: Got through to book 2 when the game collapsed
Carrion Crown: Completed as GM
Jade Regent: Completed as GM
Skull and Shackles: Completed as player
Shattered Star: Currently playing. On book 3.

I'm currently taking a break from Pathfinder to run the Saga Star Wars AP Dawn of Defiance. We are on Book 3 of that.

As for the rest, Mrs Camelot is down to do Wrath of the Righteous after Shattered Star and I'm doing Way of the Wicked after Dawn of Defiance. I was down to do Reign of Winter but I took an extreme dislike to it after book 3 so I did Dawn of Defiance instead. If we run out of AP's I'll revisit it.

Mrs Camelot and I will split duties on Mummy's Mask (which I like the look of) and Iron Gods. Not sure who's running and who's playing.

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DrDeth wrote:
Eigengrau wrote:
Everyone got around 400xp or so. Leveling is going to suck balls at that rate.
Thank you for the report. No magic, no loot and no exp. As Mark Twain said "Fun? Yes, but of a mild sort."

Sounds like a fantastic game to me. I don't play for loot, xp or magic. I play for the plot.

Stop criticising a game you haven't seen based on your own preconceptions, it's rude.

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I've run a pfs scenario for 7 players before now. It was a special no less.

I wouldn't do it again...

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Do 6 points of damage.

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Think of it in cold war terms. The gods are the USA and Russia brimming with enough "nuclear weapons" to totally obliterate everything. There is no pact, no ceasefire, just the understanding that actual full all out war is nothing but mutually assured destruction of everything.

So in that scenario prime material worlds are the Korea's, Vietnam's and Cuba's of the multiverse. Places where the gods fight by proxy through agents and followers.

So in short Gods don't directly interfere because that would cause a cataclysm which would destroy everything including themselves.

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CathalFM wrote:

Which is why both of us quoted DragonCats rule which singles out phones as something which should be banned at the table. I think I (might be possibly able to?) speak for FoC when I say that the rule should be more along the lines of:

"You are there to play PFS, you should not be entertaining yourself in other ways like checking facebook on your phone or reading that book you can't out down"

Yup that's fine :)

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Dragoncat wrote:
5. Don't bring your phone to the table, and especially don't text people in the middle of the game.

Not sure about this one. Some people (myself included) have their books on pdf's and use their phone or tablet to look at them.

Also some gamers I know are on call or need to have their phone at the table for family or work related reasons.

Heck, I don't want to miss an important emergency call and have to explain that the reason that I couldn't take that call is because I was gaming. That's not a legitimate excuse.

So yeah, I disagree here.

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I don't always play the same character but I do have preferences.

I like characters that do the job themselves, so characters that rely on summoning, pets or buffing others do not hold my interest for long.

I like civilised characters so I'd rather play a fighter, sorcerer or inquisitor than a barbarian, druid or ranger.

Defined religion>"powers from a mysterious source"

I want options, many options. Spamming the same thing over and over, no matter how powerful, is not for me. (I'm looking at you witch.)

If I have a spell list I want it to be awesome. I don't care how useful a spell freedom of movement is, I'm here to blow things up and turn my opponents into paint.

On that note I don't want to confuse my enemy I want to blow them up. Sure it isn't optimal, makes no sense and is just needlessly flashy but you guys can keep your Toyota Prius' I'll be over here with my Dodge Viper thanks...

2 weapons>2H weapon>ranged weapons>being set on fire>becoming an accountant>sword and board.

If you are a 6 or 9 level caster and your spells are a side note then your class sucks.

I think that pretty much covers it.

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Why are Eidolons so stupid?

Maybe they didn't work hard enough at school?

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If you feel no enthusiasm for running CotCT you won't get through it. So basically it's pointless starting.

Your group wants traditional fantasy and that's OK. Traditional fantasy doesn't have to be boring.

My advice? Come up with an idea and pitch it to your players. The bottom line is that both GM and players need to have buy in to the game, otherwise it's not going to be fun.

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Seth Parsons wrote:
@FallofCamelot: A good GM should be able to integrate those readily enough if needed/wanted.

Well sure. I could rewrite it too but that kind of makes running an AP pretty pointless.

For reference I have run or played every AP up to and including Shattered Star including the 3 Dungeon magazine ones. The only one's I have abandoned have been Council of Thieves and Serpent's Skull and I am in progress with Rise of The Runelords, Savage Tide and Shattered Star. In total I have either GMed or played to completion 9 AP's

Every one of the AP's I have enjoyed in some way. Even Second Darkness.

Reign of Winter is the first one I want to leave on the shelf to gather dust.

I accept the criticism of Legacy of Fire and yes, book 5 wasn't great but I would contend that Legacy of Fire has a better plot than Reign of Winter by a country mile. Legacy of Fire has a narrative whereas Reign of Winter has a long series of boring fetch quests. No recurring villains or characters, no intrigue, no twists or surprises and in the end nothing investing the players in the plot beyond a nebulous and pretty generic "save the world" plot. Where is the personal connection? Why should my players invest emotionally in the plot?

Just saving the world isn't enough. They need personal investment in what they are saving a trigger for the heroes journey. In Reign of Winter that's just not there.

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FattyLumpkin wrote:

Some AP adventures I'd love to see...

1) Mediogalti Island and the Red Mantis.

2) Mwangi Expanse and the Gorilla King.

3) Lastwall where the players take charge of a boarder fortress to defend and against the hoards of Belkzen.

4) A Five King's Mountain mega dungeon.

Paizo, just let me know when those are done. Thanks ;)

1) Is there enogh in that for an entire AP? Seems more like a module to me.

2) Serpent's Skull

3) Yup that sounds cool to me.

4) Thornkeep? Also Shattered Star is basically all dungeon all the time. I would hate to see a megadungeon, I'm dungeoned out... Some dwarf stuff might be good though...

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Eoxyn wrote:
This is exactly the kind of person I'd want to play with

This is exactly the sort of player I don't want to play with.

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My Taldan Cleric fits the new order superbly. :)

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That's how I say them too...

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One of my regular players loves playing the healer, to the point of playing actual pacifistic oracles of life on more than one occasion.

So yeah you are not alone :)

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Wands of CLW are absolutely essential to avoid one simple question:

"So who is going to get stuck with the cleric this time?"

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Simple answer.

If you are the GM: It costs as much as you think it should cost.

If you are not the GM: Ask your GM.

The rules for creating new magic items are not hard and fast rules, more like guidelines. They are horribly abusable and should not be used by players.

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Whispering Cairn is amazing.

I'm not a fan of We Be Goblins but then again I really dislike goblins in general.

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Someone who can cast both Remove Curse and Remove Disease...

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Doesn't matter as much as people think it does to be honest.

At best you are going to get a few extra hit points or a slightly better will save but all in all the difference is very minor.

My rules are simple. Roll 4d6d1 until you get three valid sets between 20 and 40 point buy. Choose one.

Problem solved.

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No.

Your actual caster level does not increase just the level dependent effects of your spells.

The best way to describe it is with an example.

Say a 9th level wizard had the orange prism ioun stone. He would be able to cast a fireball as if he were a tenth level caster (i.e. a fireball at 10d6 damage not 9d6.)

He does not however count as a 10th level caster. He counts as a 9th level caster with +1 effective caster level.

The ioun stone does not increase the number of spell slots you have or your access to new spells. It only increases the numeric variables based on level within the spells themselves.

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1) Also the spell gives you no capacity to eavesdrop on a conversation. The key word here is "replies." If you send a message then someone can whisper a reply. That's it. You don't get to hear everything they are saying.

2) yes it has to be a whisper.

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thenovalord wrote:

If there are 3 worse than hungry storm, that doesn't bode well

Enjoyed 1 and 2 a lot, 4 was somewhat disappointing and a big dull dungeon, 3 was not good

Well I loathed book 2 and loved book 3. So there's that.

My issue with the campaign is that it got to Minkai waaaaay too late. Book 2 was a horrible grinding halt that took way too long and had nothing to do with the theme of an epic journey. How can it be an epic journey if you handwave hundreds of miles of said journey and instead spend 1/6th of the AP stuck in a boring, uninspired, artificial roadblock? Ugh...

Book 4 is OK and as dungeons go it's fine but again it does not really feed into the overall theme of the AP. Yeah I suppose there's some stuff about the origins of the big bad and it gives you that background but there were quicker and easier ways of doing that.

The actual overthrow of the evil rulers of Minkai takes place in the last 2 volumes. That's not enough time. In Curse of the Crimson Throne and Council of Thieves the whole AP is the build up of the resistance to the evil ruler. By comparison in Jade Regent it's so rushed that it feels like the locals are there going "Rebel? Really? Y'know we never thought of that! That's a great idea! Please lead us to victory random stranger who has zero knowledge of our current situation and has lived her entire life thousands of miles away! It's a flawless plan!"

What's worse is that the plan works. Amieko turns up and wins without much difficulty. It's a bit of an anti-climax.

That said for all my criticism it's not a bad AP it just could have been better.

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My players used the unusual tactic of dying.

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If they start doing it to your bad guys have the bad guys do it to them...

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Mikaze wrote:

looks at the previous two pages

Guys, seriously, what the hell?

This is like a new record. :(

Not a good record either...

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How long is a piece of string?

I have run, played, completed or at least started every AP with the exception of Reign of Winter, Wrath of the Righteous and Mummy's Mask. That includes the Dungeon Magazine AP's.

What I can tell you from that experience and discussions on this board is that every one of the AP's has it's champions including the so called "poor" AP's.

To clarify of the current AP's the following are the ones I would describe as having issues.

Second Darkness: This one has an utterly awful 5th book that has made a lot of groups rage quit on the spot. If you can rewrite that it's pretty OK otherwise.

Serpent's Skull: Book 3 is an utter mess which is very unfortunate because the events of that book are pretty much pivotal to the whole campaign.

Reign of Winter: Book 5 is a love it or hate it affair. Also some people (myself included) were underwhelmed by the less than heroic setup for the campaign.

Council of Thieves: Curse of the Crimson Throne did this kind of plot a lot better.

It all depends on what you want.

Simplicity:

Rise of the Runelords. It's straightforward, enjoyable and well written. I wouldn't recommend it for kids but otherwise you are set.

Story:

Curse of the Crimson Throne: The best plot of any AP by a wide margin. Great villain, atmospheric setting and a real coherency to the game.

Fantastical/Evocative:

Jade Regent and Legacy of Fire: Both have exotic settings with decent plots and high stakes. Just ditch the caravan rules if you are doing Jade Regent.

Themed:

Carrion Crown and Skull and Shackles: Both of these are very specific types of campaigns and both are decent. Basically if you like traditional horror or pirates then they do a good job.

Player led:

Kingmaker: This is the campaign that requires the most player input. If you like that kind of thing then you are set.

The best thing to do is to talk to your players and have a discussion of what sort of game/plot you would like to do. Then go from there.

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I can only go by my experience.

I live in England. All my life I have lived in a system of Nationalised healthcare. No one I have ever met considers the NHS to be anything other than a source of national pride. It was in the opening of the 2012 Olympics for Pete's sake.

When a relative got breast cancer her treatment was free and on the NHS (and successful I might add.) I know people whose children had life threatening conditions at birth, the treatment was paid for. When one of my in laws tripped and broke her hip she was rushed to hospital in a free ambulance to a state of the art facility where she received free care until she was back on her feet and free physiotherapy afterwards.

In our country this is the norm.

On the other hand I have an American friend who last week sent out a request on Facebook asking if anyone knew a doctor who could examine her as a favour because she's felt ill for ages and can't afford to visit one.

Now I'm not saying our system is the best in the world, nor am I saying that America sucks, it does many things better than where I am from. But healthcare is not one of them. You pay more for a system that does not cover everybody and generally offers inferior care to most people.

Honestly in the 21st century free universal healthcare should be a basic right of a citizen.

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No.

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Huh...

I'm actually quite surprised. I was expecting an Osirion focus to go alongside Mummy's Mask. Maybe that fits with the events of the latter half of season 5 instead.

I'm happy with this though. Numeria is pretty damn cool.

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Moondragon Starshadow wrote:
HAN SHOT! GREEDO DIDN'T!

Fixed that for you.

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