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claudekennilol wrote:
Malag wrote:

@OP

While it might be true to what you say, per default game rules, nothing is sure. Cities usually have written "2d6 minor magical items, 1d6 major magical items, etc." which they currently have. These are default game rules for settlements and if GM decides to enforce it, it can change game direction a lot. Players will have to buy whatever is currently available or sit on their cash hoard and wait, hoping to get lucky.

Or take crafting feats and simply break the WBL standards. I'd much rather have whatever I want freely available than have someone take crafting feats and then simply buy whatever I want for half price.

Which is exactly what the players do when the GM implements the true "magic items available" rule.....

Tell them ahead of time that magic stuff is gonna not be whatever they want from the book and watch how you suddenly have monks and sorcerers and classes that don't rely on magic items that much....

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For the record, the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a combo of Player's Handbook and DMG in one book. There is a huge amount of difference in how D&D separates the books and how Pathfinder decided to go. I absolutely agree that the price of the new D&D books is outrageous but content-wise you can't compare the 2. D&D 3.5 had prestige classes, traps, poisons, magic items, and a bunch of other stuff in the DMG while the Players handbook was core classes, races, basic equipment, and stuff. If you want to compare Pathfinder core to D&D 5 for content you need to compare Player's handbook and DMG together to the core.

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Kthulhu wrote:
5e has more class and race choices in the PHB than Pathfinder has in the CRB.

This exactly. And as far as I have seen every one is a viable choice. It also sets a premise for future books to follow of offering up different racial and class-specific options....as long as they don't keep pushing the power level up to negate or outshine the original ones. I am looking for to seeing how they approach the classes and races in the future, it should be pretty cool to see, but I see a ton of diversity just in the PHB even if you don't include the optional "feats" part of the book.

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Cyrad wrote:
I think there's already been discussions about this.

So don't link to them or anything...just pop on and threadcrap away.

To the OP, I love what 5e has done with casters and I would just say Yes. Yes to anything and everything that 5e changed, port it all over and add it to Pathfinder....however you are going to get resistance from players that like being wizzo-gods. I took another path. My group just straight-up switched to 5e and we are loving it. The game is fast, simple and easy to play and everyone is feeling like an equal part of the game instead of one or two players with uber-game mastery or an interweb-build of destruction being the main reason the party stays alive.

Other than that, you could shoehorn in parts of the system into the existing but I doubt that many players are going to like it and you are left with a mish-mash of game rules that weren't meant to coexist. It will take a lot of tweaking to make them run smoothly together imo.

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Thanks for the list, it should help. Also I am seeing the Assassin archetype for rogues has an ability that gives him an advantage when he has surprise on a foe(like in the surprise round) so I am guessing that normally surprising someone in the surprise round doesn't give advantage to the attacker otherwise that ability wouldn't be very special.
A rogue can also get sneak attacks off without advantage if an ally is within 5' of the target apparently but it isn't an advantage situation....makes getting the sneak damage easier but without an advantage. Interesting....
I wonder what the average of 2d20 drop the lowest is but I don't know the formula to figure it out....I wouldn't mind knowing what the average bonus/penalty would be from Advantage/Disadvantage.

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So my group is playing 5E and we are enjoying it very much. I am not seeing us using the Advantage/Disadvantage system much though and I want to figure out why.
The actual rules surrounding when they should be used seems to be mostly "when the DM determines you have one". It doesn't clearly define when to use them though.
Here are some questions:
*Is it basically a replacement mechanic for +2/-2 adjustments?
*If you are a rogue using your sneak attack do you get advantage?
*Does higher ground/lower ground trigger use of Adv/Disadv?
*How about surprise round? Does everyone participate in combat on the surprise round with the surpriser getting advantage on attacks and the surprised getting disadvantage?
*How would this work with skills?

I really like the rule but it is so vague on when to use it that it almost doesn't seem to exist in my game currently and that is really a shame. I want to rectify this.

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Yea, now we can have portable nuclear bombs all over instead of just located at big reactors. I am sure that the corporations will follow all the proper (and expensive) protocol to keep such things secure and protected as they have proven how responsible they are no matter the cost.

Just a side note, how in the hell is a mini reactor in the Sahara to pump water any different than a solar-powered pump? How does that change the world in a way no other power source has managed? It will still be expense and if a village can't afford a solar grid to power a pump station then I doubt they are gonna suddenly find the funds to go with fusion.

I am sure that once this tech is viable it will disappear into some government warehouse, like the carburetor that made regular cars get 100+mpg, and cars that ran on distilled water....big oil is not gonna allow a tech to show up that will hit their pockets. They will toss millions at the right politicians to make this story and the tech slowly fade away.

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Fake Healer wrote:

OK, so I have been in Celebration for a while, gamed with some people up in Orlando but it is too far away and was on a bad night/time for me.

I have 2 other people in Celebration and we are now a group of 3, we could use around 1-3 more people that are in or around Celebration. We are primarily Pathfinders but the new D&D 5th edition rules look fun so we are open to that also.
Post here if Celebration is within range for you and you want to game.

UPDATE: We are a good-sized group, looking to expand still if anyone is interested. We also have branched out and are looking to have our group(s) do things like a game night where we bring different games, invite the public and get some newbs playing Settlers of Catan, History of the World or some such and still have a group or 2 that get together for RPGs. Right now the group is mostly focused on RPGs and D&D 5th Edition in the game. We are enjoying it immensely and would welcome any who wish to join.

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Yes! I was trying to mentally control all birds and make them poop on people's heads today! A little more practice and my minions will be ready for my bid for world domination....

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ElementalXX wrote:

Lets try to make this clearer so its understandable

Example 1

-I have prepared quickened fireball
-I have prepared quickened create pit

This are my only remaining spells, i cant cast them both because i only have one swift action.

Example 2

-I have prepared fireball
-I have prepared quickened create pit

I can cast both since one is a standard action and the other is a swift action.

This is a very niche example but there could be more.

Ok so would it be ok for the wizzo to suddenly get ambushed, cast Quickened create pit (swift), 5' step into the pit, cast featherfall (immediate), then blast straight up with a quickened fireball (standard action used for swift) and follow that up with quickened fireball to mop up (move action used as swift)?

Not positive all that would jive if swifts were allowed to substitute for standard and move actions.....but I see problems with people getting 3+ spells a round off.

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bookrat wrote:
Shinigaze wrote:
So have we come to an accord here? I guess the idea is that the Gunslinger is not "viable" as a class because it requires 1-5 to be taken with consistency and is hampered greatly if multiclassed before then. Firstly, most people don't take a 1 level dip for an ability that doesn't synergize at all with their chose role. Secondly, if someone could post a class/build that can multiclass twice before level 5 and still be as powerful as other party members that would probably help the argument that the Gunslinger is not viable. Barring that though I think we have come to a consensus.
I guess all of pathfinder is not "viable" as a system, because the vast majority of builds are more powerful if you stay a single class rather than mulitclassing. Especially at low levels.

You are posting to a February 2013 thread......holy thread necromancy!

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Epic Meepo wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:

I don't. I want to play a Dogfolk, but they don't exist.

Not a wolf person/werewolf. Not a hyena person/gnoll. A dogfolk.

Dogs > Cats

If you want to play a dogfolk in a game that allows non-Paizo races, you can always grab Clan of the Dog in the Paizo store.

Also, you'll be pleased to know that my current sales data support your assertion that dogs > cats. It's close, but as of this post, Clan of the Dog is outselling its feline counterpart, Clan of the Cat.

I'm holding out for Clan of the Hedgehog....or Koala....or Raccoon...

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thegreenteagamer wrote:


But, then, as I said in my second post, I don't -really- want to play a dog person, as like most people who are fans of dogs, I'm not obsessed with them like fans of cats tend to be obsessed with cats.

But you could be a gambling addicted dogman who sits around playing poker....and has an uncontrollable urge to hump the leg of every giant humanoid he sees....yeah, nevermind....best to let sleeping dogs lie.

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3 words-
Elder Scrolls Khajiit.

I never cared much before playing that series, never got into the almost disturbing "furry", manga, toony bull**** that seems to surround people that tend to like catfolk but after playing a Khajiit as a stealthy assassin and enjoying the role, and seeing how seriously the Elder Scrolls took them, I now like them. And I even stopped naming them things like "Mittens" and "Snowball".....lol

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Zhayne wrote:
VampByDay wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that I had dumped EVERYTHING into being tough, and I still needed a six to save on my best chance.

To me, this is more an indictment of two things ...

1. The linear nature of the d20, and
2. The presence of save-or-die/save-or-lose effects,
along with the too-great-of-a-swing between good saves and bad saves.

One single die roll should not have that great an effect on a character or a combat.

Off track----I like how 5E D&D is handling this stuff. They seem to have softened the line a lot.

On track----I don't see the problem here, you need to roll a 6, and you can reroll. If you failed you failed. Your GM sounds like a bit of a jerk but you had 6 players, probably were using something higher than 15 point buy (which is the default standard that basic encounters and CRs are geared towards) and was not totally optimized for Fort saves. The GM upped the encounter level to account for more players than the standard 4 and (an assumption) probably a 20-25 point buy...
I think party preparation and tactics are more of the problem here.

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I would love to see Sunless Citadel made into a movie, followed with Forge of Fury....but I also would love an Icewind Dale/Crystal Shard movie(s). I see more of a market for the Crystal Shard/Icewind Dale stuff...heck there was a decent video game with that title so there is that...

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My group cast a couple wall of fires in Mammy's room to trap her and lit the whole house on fire. They almost lost people trying to escape the horribly built burning house....
I like the "raise dead" idea, make her have some zombies around her that were humans from the surrounding area and describe their appearance to show how they were tortured before they died....you can get as graphic as your group allows....from them being skinned (with the skin hanging on the wall behind where they are stationed) to eyelids being removed or whatnot....you can get a bit gross if your group is OK with it....

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Finn Kveldulfr wrote:
Anarchy_Kanya wrote:
The Mane Six (a known mercanary group in our game).

Okay... I gotta poke a little fun here-- so, what's a "Mercanary"? I'm getting visions of some kind of bizarre yellow-feathered underwater songbird that Merfolk keep in cages to brighten up their homes... but I'm not sure how well they'd behave in groups. Or is that a group of folks who catch, train, and sell mercanaries? I might have to use that in a game sometime. :P

Also, noticed someone brought up "The Lesser Evils" as a mercenary group name-- now that would be a cool name for an expensive but competent mercenary team, or a team that gets the job done-- with lots of collateral damage.

I almost thought it was a place that cans Mercs....Seems a good way to store them for a while....

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Wrath wrote:
Azten wrote:

In part of a game of where all the Player Characters are female.

We call our unit The Crimson Tide.

Moan. That's awful.

That was a cramp induced moan, right? lol

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I live in New Jersey and Delaware most of my life and worked in PA for a majority of my construction career and I will tell you that you should not, even if the basement has never had a problem, store a beloved book collection in the basement. It absolutely WILL leak at some point and all it needs to do is leak once to ruin your stuff. PA, Jersey and Delaware are wet, humid states.
A lot of the remodels I had to do were because a basement needed to be gutted, dried, and resealed. Do not store anything in them that you aren't willing to lose.

On a side note, welcome to 5 months of the year being too cold, a summer with more humidity than Florida and about 3 months of nice weather in the spring and fall....you are crazy for moving from Florida to PA.
I moved last Christmas from Delaware to Florida(Celebration) and I am loving it...I finally actually get to use a pool consistently and can be outside most of the year.

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Black Dow wrote:

The Utter Shankers

The Udder Shankers ....Homophones screwed up their name and it stuck...

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The Good Red Pickle....if ye be needin' sumfin' real bad, ye need to find yerself a Good Red Pickle!
Righteous Indignation
The Bitter Pill Co. Aye, we be hard ta swallow but our fee...not so much...
Some Action on the Side. Farmer sees a couple gobbos in his field "Honey, I gotta run out for a bit." Her-"Where ya goin'?"... "I need to find Some Action on the Side."....
Short and Sweet....That's describes yer problem after'n ye hire us...(Works great with a shorter character and a face in charge)

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Scythia wrote:
LazarX wrote:
I won't pay 20 bucks to see the movie, but I'll watch it when it winds up on NetFlix. Not that it will... This is not going to be something that comes out on theaters but only sold at conventions.
Hopefully nobody uses Mind Bondage to make you pay $20. :P

I only really like Light Mind Bondage, the heavier stuff makes me feel cheap....

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Alex Martin wrote:


-The clichéd, but always fun, giant chessboard with life-size figures. Are they animated? Or part of a puzzle trap? My personal favorite was when it was really a medusa's lair and she had a flair for decorating the board with her victims. Players kept waiting for the statues to come to life and didn't see her until it was...too late.

I like a room with the entrance the PCs came in being directly across from a closed door on the other side of a 50' wide room with a checkerboard pattern on the huge floor. The doors are steel and shut and lock 2 rounds after a PC (or PCs) enter the room. They are locked for 10 minutes. After that time they unlock and can be opened. Players usually start running around the Checkerboard trying to act like the pieces of a chess set and it is kinda fun to watch them pick their brains to figure out how the door unlocks.....nothing does though, only time.

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Just make the entire spear out of mithral. A hollow mithral shaft with a solid head. Mithral is light enough that it should work out fine. Just make sure your GM is ok with it. I would be.

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Quirel wrote:

On a side note, this is how Pacific Rim ended in my headcanon.

That's funny!

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Dotting for interest....

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:


What I want is more Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon and more of other Jaegers beating up on kaiju. I don't really give a fig for any of the characters - they were just filler between fight scenes.

What I want is for giant robot fights to be something visable. The middle of the night filming to cut CGI budget sucks. The super fast camera pans to cut CGI budget sucks. I want to SEE the fight in all it's splendor, not see enough that my imagination connects the dots.

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I sometime see a poster and recognize them from past posts or if I like something they posted I go into their profile and check out some of their older posts to see how long they have been on the boards or what other cool stuff they may have posted....I don't see that as stalking. Stalking would be more like "I know you recently purchased the Beginners Box, want to get together at "someplace local to you" and get a game going?" That would be stalker to me....or knowing my online habits beyond Paizo that I haven't shared.

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Took the kids to see Guardians of the Galaxy, or Sci-fi D&D...the characters came together well, their was good, campy humor and the story was interesting. It was D&D in space to me. You had fighter, cleric, barbarian, expert/rogue, and "arcane blaster/tech guru". BBEG(s) had uber-detructive "magic" and tons of "undead" minions. Heck make him a mummy-lord or lich with ghouls or wights for minions and an artifact of power......

My point is that if the D&D movie was a reskin of something like that it would work easily. The problem is that no body really sees the D&D license as a seriously profitable thing. How the heck Guardians managed to get funding and development is a mystery to me. So many other more serious and well-known franchises would be more obvious to pick but somehow the money and time went into Guardians and the movie was great. I was impressed with how many of the actors from Guardians I recognized considering how far down on the list of Comic Book franchises it was before the movie. You can almost guarantee that there are gonna be sequels that are gonna make HUGE amounts of money and has drawn in a much wider audience than Guardians had as a comic. Imagine a D&D movie that was as good and did as well in theatres.
Money, good talent behind the screen and on it, a decent script and suddenly D&D isn't the basement nerd game. It is the mainstream fantasy. People would scramble for the next movie offering, whether it was the next in a series of Crystal Shard movies or if it was a totally different cast of characters in a Harpers movie....
Marvel is D&D. Marvel has a ton of comics and genre to draw from. D&D has a ton of books and genre to draw from. The trick is getting the public to devour one and get hooked so more can follow.

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Ascalaphus wrote:
Rogar Stonebow wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
LoneKnave wrote:
In all honesty, a greatsword having the same reach as a dagger is kinda silly to begin with.

So true.

It's a bit late to add it to the rules now, but it's something that often bugs GMs: when players want to use greatswords in cramped dungeons. I know you can't use them while in a grapple, but it looks like you can just use them even while squeezing.

Over hand chops in a narrow passage, hard to evade Ascalaphuson

Which brings us to the question of low ceilings.

Like, the adventure where some human samurai invade kobold-sized tunnels.

Yeah, they'll be taking Squeezing penalties, but somehow it rankles that the greatsword has no more penalty than the shortsword.

It is easy to grab the ricasso, as BigNorseWolf points out, and use the pointy end to poke people, and this is part of how to use a greatsword, or a claymore, in combat. What should be addressed is how space would limit a weapon to being used in certain manners that could limit the type of damage done by a weapon. For example, a greatsword might realistically be limited to piercing damage in narrow confining areas....this opens a whole other can of worms with weapons doing different types of damage then those listed (I poke with the pointy end. I smash with the end of the handle) and rules to govern their usage that would slow the game down.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice realism a bit to keep the rules from overwhelming the game. You could certainly houserule something like different type of damage and how, when, where they would be used and at what penalties but it doesn't seem necessary unless your group wants the added complication and realism.

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Ken Pawlik wrote:

If existing 3pp settings are to be used, my picks are vastly different than they were previously. I would go with:

1. Midgard
2. Amethyst
3. NeoExodus
4. Thunderscape or Kaidan

I would also use the Collosseum Morpheuon as the hub/staging ground/home base of the PCs.

Thunderscape is already done....

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Nice link! I like the Alternate sheet but it makes you list out all the skill names instead of just filling in a number...and of course there is the regular sheet that is good.
Anyone have any sheets that are different than these?

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Anyone know of any free printable character sheets for 5E? If so leave a link. Looking for anything....

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DominusMegadeus wrote:
Have you considered just letting them sleep around? Is it wrecking your plot that your heroes aren't a bunch of Lawful Virgins?

This. If it isn't harming the story what is the issue? Some people play roleplaying games to play a role they wouldn't usually have an opportunity to play...such as promiscuity, super-skillful, powerful swordsman, master of magic, psycho dwarf...why is this one bad-wrong fun?

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I really like the look of the rules so far (Starter box and the Basic Rules PDF) and will be purchasing the PHB soon....kinda pissy about a $50 price tag for just a PHB. I feel that is too much. $35-$40 I could've seen but $50 just seem like a gouge and a price that will make it hard for the younger crowd to get into. What 12-13 year old is running around with $50 for a PHB, $50 more for a DMG, and then has to figure out what to do about monsters for his game.....$100 and no monsters or adventures seem like a bad price point to start out.
At least Pathfinder was a PHB and DMG combined for the Core price. $50 seems like a greedy price-point.

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Dark Sun
Maztica "or any North/South American equivalent. Maybe less of a focus on colonialism. Also including some Caribbean folklore. I have a New World setting I could share ideas from" as Onraude said.
I like Dragonlance and wouldn't mind seeing it done.
Al-Qadim would be cool also.

Things I would like but seem far too easy to cobble together on my own:
Birthright, Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms. Just get a map and the old Campaign Settings info and you are good, not a lot of inaccessible stuff in them.

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Oh, you like my Dwarven Leather armor?
**Dwarves don't be workin' leather...armor that dwarves make be metal!
Oh, no....I see your mistake. You thought I meant armor made by dwarves, not armor made of dwarves.....
**Gulp**

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Point buy or rolled stats. Starting equipment worth. Which books are usable? Do you want a melee guy or caster....stealthy or divine magic....
traits?
You can't just ask for characters, you need to set parameters and limitations for the build.

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You have a boyfriend who lashes out at you yelling when you question a ruling that has just been brought up, didn't enjoy the game as a player, is power-tripping as a DM and refuses to even discuss his rulings in a co-op game.

Lose him as a DM. Lose him as a player. Lose him as a boyfriend. You seem to make excuses for him yelling, disrespectfulness and rudeness towards you and that isn't giving you equal footing in this relationship. 10 years from now you will be saying when someone asks how you broke your arm "I shouldn't have made him mad, it's my fault for pushing his buttons".

Run. Don't look back. A creative gamer chick is a good thing to find and all women should be treated with respect in all situations.

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thejeff wrote:

I don't have any reason to think Darryl Wilson hated black people. I don't think he was going out looking for an excuse to kill blacks. I do think he lived and worked in an environment where he was primed to see particularly young black men as criminals or potential criminals and especially as dangerous and violent. That prejudice made him far more likely to escalate the situation to deadly force rather than try to deescalate it. From what I've read about it, that attitude is common in Ferguson (and in many other poor urban minority neighborhoods).

It's possible I'm wrong about Wilson. Or any other individual cop in Ferguson, but there's definitely a pattern there. And it's a common pattern in similar places in this country. Except in places where there's been a concentrated effort to root it out. As I said before, they don't have the trust of the black part of their community and that is absolutely a failure of the police force.

I don't know if that makes him Evil Racist Cop, or all the cops in Ferguson Evil Racist Cops, but I do know that it means they shouldn't be patrolling a majority black community. I know they shouldn't be trusted with the power of life or death over that community.

And I believe that to a degree. I also believe that a community that is raising it's children with no respect for authority, a general hate and mistrust for white people, and little respect for the people around them could also be an issue here.

We have no evidence that either is happening or happened in this instance but the people defending the protesting and such with no evidence of racism or inappropriate response are yelling "white devil"....

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Yup, this is has become a "all cops are racist pigs" thread crying about how being black is being a victim. The blacks I know are far different from this breed of cop-hating, poor because whitey-makes me so that is taking everything said to the contrary as a racist white point of view. They are fun, cool people who have ordinary interactions within society. We joke at PTA meetings, laugh at movies, roll dice and share stories of our kids....they also don't hate white cops, or white people in general.
Being racist is a funny thing....even black people can be one.

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You all do know that Evil Racist Cop isn't the majority of cops, right? And Evil, Racist DA? And Evil, Racist Jury and Judge?
I get it that there are some. But you do get that it isn't most of them, right?
Or are we to the point that all cops are Evil Racist Cop? Because that's what is being implied.

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GreyWolfLord wrote:
ON the topic of guns, OTHER nations have control over the crime in their nations but do not have their police regularly carry firearms. If they are able to protect themselves and control crime without firearms...which is that such a hard thing in the US?

Second Amendment. Other nations control their guns and while that isn't 100% effective at keeping them out of the public's hands it cuts down the number of illegal guns down by a huge degree. The US has millions of guns in private citizens hands. Criminals can get them easily here, whether they are stolen by some other criminal, obtained legally by a person who hasn't gotten a Felony charge but either wants to make money selling them to others illegally or start doing worse crimes himself....there are tons of ways that criminals get them.

Disarming cops would make it open-season on the police in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened and within days there were entire cities that no longer had a police force due to officers getting slaughtered in the streets and the rest quitting in fear for their lives.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
pres man wrote:


Dead cop doesn't protect anyone.

Protect people from WHAT? Stolen cigars? The man is dead. That is the exact opposite of protection.

If the dude attacked an officer he was a danger. If he then tried to re-attack the officer why does he need protection? I would feel good knowing that a dude who robbed a store and attempted to overpower a cop in my neighborhood was no longer around. That would be me feeling protected by the police. If he really did those things is still yet to be determined but that isn't determined by a riot or discussions on how much damage an unarmed man can do. Hopefully it is determined by a fair court.

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meatrace wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
The idea that a 6'4" 290 lb dude would "take a while" to beat someone to death is ridiculous.
As a 6'5" 290 lb dude who hits like a pussycat I can tell you it's not ridiculous.

Yeah, sorry Exception to the Rule. I should have said "most" instead of making a general statement that is only mostly true.

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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:


It's not a real problem until it affects you personally.
I'm pretty sure that's written in the Republican party charter somewhere.

Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, etc.....just different corporate shills. Voting is just pick-you-own-flavor of evil. That is a revolt for another time.

That is certainly what some people want you to think.

Or maybe THAT'S what people want you to think.....see I can do that too.

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meatrace wrote:

Quoted:

That sounds like the lyrics to a Disney song!

Or any of Rage Against the Machine's stuff.....suddenly I want RAtM to do a disney song!

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thejeff wrote:


Now it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a higher standard for "attacked" than "Cop says so and the attacker is dead so there's no contradiction. Who cares what the other witnesses say."

Vest cameras and vehicle cameras and a baseline assumption that if they're off they're off because the officer wants to lie.

As I said, there are witnesses backing up both versions of the story.

That police department recently got in vest cameras and vehicle cameras and supposedly haven't had them installed yet but it was happening soon. Supposedly. I don't know how true that is or if the department is trying to shine us with "yeah we got them (a year ago!), just haven't gotten them installed yet (and don't plan to!) it's on our to-do list".
I watched a tape of cellphone video from just after the shooting where the area was just taped off and people were walking around just saying whatever they felt like may be the story, from the cop shot him while he was laying on the ground and gave-up to he was running away when the cop shot him, to the cop just rolled up and shot him in the back. And everyone of the people saying this stuff near the cellphone holder swore that he saw it or his buddy saw it and told him that.

Real eyewitnesses? I know there are some but we don't know who is one right now.

Qadira

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
I also knew an individual who picked up a police officer and bodyslammed him on the hood of his vehicle. After 1/2 hour of practicing with him I learned more about actual fighting than from 5 years of karate.
And the cop was dead after that incident?

Have you not heard of the Knock-out game? Walk up punch a dude and knock him out. A handful of people have died from that recently. The idea that a 6'4" 290 lb dude would "take a while" to beat someone to death is ridiculous. Supposedly this incident was the officer getting ready to exit his vehicle to talk to the dude when the dude shoved him back into his seat and punched him repeatedly through his window. Officer was supposedly knocked silly and dude went walking away. Officer regained his senses and supposedly exited the vehicle with gun drawn and yelled for the dude to freeze. Dude supposedly raised his hands and turned around saying "Whatcha gonna do? Shoot me?" then charged at the officer thinking to surprise and overwhelm him. Officer fires upon the dude.

IF that is what happened then there is justification for the cop's actions. Witnesses back up this version.
But witnesses back up the other version(s) also....

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