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And of course the book's title itself is a clear reference.

"Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written."


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Some advice gained from the Deep Magic kickstarter: for the love of Ihys, please release the PDFs first and give us a month or two to proofread them for you before sending them to print! ^.^


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Marc Radle wrote:
Please know that correcting these little issues is very important to everyone involved. We are extremely proud of Deep Magic and want it to be as close to perfect as humanly (or koboldly) possible!

It's a terrific book, but I really, really wish that you'd released the PDF first, let the customer hivemind pick it apart, and then fixed it up and done the print edition a month or two from now...


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"Zonzon Doll of Forgiveness (Shelyn)"? Zonzon? What does that...

...oh.

she has a pet name for him ;_;


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...wait wait wait Gorum was a participant in the sealing of Rovagug?! Okay, that's either an error in the text, an error in the myth, or proof that Gorum's a lot older than his worshipers give him credit for.


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brad2411 wrote:

So are we going to have a hover bike cavalier archetype?

...please? Then I could work out a way to combine it with Red Mantis Assassin, go rogue from the guild, and be all-out Kamen Rider. :D


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In-universe, I suppose there's nothing stopping Asmodean Hellknights or even signifer clerics from calling themselves paladins.


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...wait, how do you get cheese into the middle of a slice of toast?? Or is this like a grilled cheese sandwich with jam on top?


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Alleran wrote:
Tirisfal wrote:
BOCFiend wrote:
Hopefully this was an april fools joke.
Liz Courts wrote:

YOU WILL HAVE OUR SCI-FI PEANUT BUTTER IN YOUR FANTASY CHOCOLATE AND LIKE IT.

Or not—not everybody's gaming tastes are the same. :D

I tried having peanut butter and chocolate together once.

It was terrible.

Well the stuff in Reese's is peanut butter loaded with sugar and some other stuff to turn it into candy (you can do this at home if you find a good recipe). I can't see straight peanut butter working so well. But I choose to believe that the metaphor has broken down by this point. :)


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Sebastian wrote:

Which AP volume will have stats for DEMONDOGS!?

Will there be a feat that grants a bonus to barbarians who constantly shout "DEMONDOGS!"?

How fabulous will the sunsword be?

And what about the LORDS OF LIGHT?!


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Billzabub wrote:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clarke

"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from SCIENCE!"

- Agatha Heterodyne

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo."
- Andy Finkel

"Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
-Gregory Benford.

"Any technology, regardless of how advanced, will seem like magic to those who do not understand it."
- Mark Stanley, Freefall


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Zaister wrote:
Oh, so this AP is an April Fool's joke?

All these announcements were made yesterday.


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squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE--

squee frequency goes higher than human auditory range

EML's head explodes


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Gorbacz wrote:
Lances are so yesterday. Today it's half of a scissor.

imagines Merisiel and Seoni wearing Senketsu and Junketsu

faints from blood loss


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There are stories that Nethys was pharaoh of Osirion, but there are also stories that he, then already at or near godhood, helped a mortal found Osirion and become its first Pharaoh.

Me, I suspect Nethys is just another mask of Nyarlathotep the Crawling Chaos.


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So one of my players is running a bladebound magus, and he'd like it if his sword were more able to interact with people. Does this sound reasonable?

Bladeservant
School conjuration (creation); Level bard 1, magus 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, summoner 1, witch 1

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a piece of string and a bit of wood)

EFFECT
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one intelligent magic item
Effect one visible, mindless servant
Duration 1 hour/level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no

DESCRIPTION

This spell creates a variant unseen servant to act as the avatar for the mind of an intelligent magic item. The bladeservant is visible, shaped to the target item's liking, and can speak all languages known to the item (if any). It is under the control of the target item, and its range is measured from the target item's current position. The bladeservant otherwise has all the abilities of a normal unseen servant, but cannot pick up or move the item controlling it, even indirectly. Both the item or the caster can dismiss the spell. If the item attempts to do something that conflicts with the will of its owner, this can result in a personality conflict, although if the owner is the caster the bladeservant can simply be dismissed.


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williamoak wrote:
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It's flat black. As pictured with the adamantium golem and the adamantium tine of the Shattered Star.
NO JAMES JACOBS! I DENY YOUR STATEMENT! Adamantine MUST be hot pink, no matter WHAT the T-rex says! :P

Just prestidigitate a color change.


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In response to the Kingpriest's madness, the gods send a series of extremely frightening but utterly vague omens which the Kingpriest interprets in his favor; they then grant a fallen Solamnic Knight the only possibility of swaying the KP, but some random evil elves tempt him to fall further instead and he becomes a certain famous death knight; finally the gods rapture all their faithful clerics away and drop several asteroids on the planet, ensuring misery and horror for everyone whether or not they had anything to do with the KP's corruption and simultaneously depriving everyone of the divine magic and spiritual leaders that would have been really really handy at the time, causing the people of Krynn to - rightly, in my opinion - feel rather cheesed off at the gods.

All of this is in response to the actions of one highly placed paranoid lunatic, who is manipulating one of the 21 religions to oppress pretty much all the others.

I'm... not seeing any good, there.


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Mind you, I don't think the morality of the "good" gods in Dragonlance bears up under close examination either...


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But "evil" in a D&D cosmology isn't (just) that. It's things like Asmodeus, who loathes free will and wants to enslave every sentient being in the universe to punish us all for eternity because we have the temerity to want to make decisions for ourselves. It's daemons who want to devour all souls to deny every living being their afterlife, because they're angry at everything. It's demons who want to bully, oppress, and corrupt everything for no reason except their own fleeting pleasure.

Balance with that? Screw that.


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Okay, wow. I've already been planning to incorporate Hargulka's Kingdom in RRR, but this? This is fantastic!

...So one of my players is a Bladebound Magus, and his black blade has been fluffed as Numerian in origin, with printed circuit patterns on the blade, but I'm still working on how to integrate it into the plot. He's a semi-disgraced noble scion, kicked out of the family after he somehow wandered through a lot of security systems into the vault where they kept the blade. I've been planning to have various cyborg and clockwork things come after him for it, but nothing else has come to mind yet. Maybe it could be the conqueror king's sword, lost in the crash?


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I like to think of it as the First World having one vast nigh-infinite soul that's just playing at being individuals. Killing part of it outside its realm might cause that part to go poof, or might allow it back to be recycled into a near-identical version, but it never gets out to the Astral Plane or the Boneyard; the gods lost interest in the First World partly because of this.

But that's just my headcanon.


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...Aboleths must be really, really angry about being inescapably subject to the judgements of a god.


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Orthos wrote:

Tentatively optimistic.

Seems like there might be too much focus on the humans though, the old Godzilla movies IMO were best when they focused mainly on the monsters.

No kaiju movie has ever been more than forty percent monsters, and that's unusually high. Right from 1954, they've all been concerned with human drama first.

No doubt you remember the monster fights better, but actually making a movie that was nothing but monster fight probably wouldn't work, and in any case has never happened.


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Set wrote:

I'd considered having it work like the Paladin detect evil, but decided that was too good. Instead, just as the spell means they have to turn it on and wait up to 3 rounds for a 'full reading.'

What I'd really like is a Sorcerer Bloodline (or Witch Patron?) based on the unktehi (Love the idea of a disease/curse that doesn't affect the hunter, but affects those around him, so that he ends up going home and afflicting his family...)

(Although I'd steer away from anything that too closely paralleled the White Wolf Uktena spirit-thingie.)

White Wolf didn't invent the word Uktena, it's authentic.


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Shadowborn wrote:
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jesters are fine though. completely different.
Yes, because nothing about jesters could be even remotely creepy.

Such a pity, such a pity...


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To try to explain my high-handed statement there:

"Science" isn't a thing. It isn't a block of laws of physics that you can compare and contrast to a block of laws of magic.

Science is the process of learning how things work, and of learning how to use the way things work to make new stuff.

The wizard in her tower, poring over books of lore, conducting strange experiments, using new applications of the laws of sympathy and contagion to create a spell no one has ever seen before? That wizard is a scientist.

The wizard using knowledge gathered over the course of generations to embed a series of spells into a mastercrafted object, creating a wondrous item? That wizard is an engineer.

These are just... inescapable. Even when a cleric casts a spell... some god somewhere either figured out how the spell worked, or figured out how to arrange reality so that the spell worked, and in either case the process of figuring out was a god doing science.


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Areelu's familiar has twelve class levels.

Areelu's familiar has twelve class levels. And four mythic tiers.

I CALL SHENANIGANS. :)


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Axial wrote:

All of these are fair points. But I think it's a fair assumption that if you've gotten to lvl20/mt10, you can kill pretty much anything. Or at least try to, in any case.

Oh, I forgot Baba Yaga and Kostchtchie. The party could probably kill them do.

It's completely impossible to kill Baba Yaga without first getting her permission to try.


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I'll second calling it Blood of the Coven instead.


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James Jacobs wrote:
And the reason the ship's made of humans goes far beyond the need for us to explain why androids look like humans—

SILVER MOUNT IS MADE OF PEOPLE! PEEEEEEPUUULLLL!

:D

...anyway, to those wondering how the heck humans can be everywhere: Gods.

And seeder alien species; doesn't have to be humans, just some precursor race that thought we were funny.


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Cheapy wrote:
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Is the second copy of the Machinesmith still there? I'd love to grab it.

Gone! to the ... to the uh....the uh.... To JonGarrett!

what's your avatar even meant to be, man?

JonGarrett wrote:

I like to think it's a kobold whose aim in life is to steal a pie.

And thank you muchly.

It's from Eberron: one of the Lord of Blades' two armored homunculi, as depicted on a Dragon cover.


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nighttree wrote:

I would probably prefer that Androids where described as living, but either "souless" or left to a grey zone where no body (including themselves) actually know's.

But then of course we would have to delve into the whole "what constitutes living"..."what is a soul" etc...etc...and I doubt any consensus would be reached on those topics ;)

Any cosmology that includes an afterlife but in which some sapient beings are arbitrarily lacking in souls is a cosmology whose gods I want to punch in the face over and over and over again. It's certainly a cosmology I wouldn't want to game in. (It's bad enough that there are so very, very many ways to destroy souls or force them into unjust damnation. Makes me grind my teeth.)

To put it another way, as I noted somewhere upthread, we don't know the mechanic by which unborn souls "target" infant bodies, so there's no reason to think that a newly created android whose brain is capable of sapient thought shouldn't get one.


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nighttree wrote:
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Their parts are still all artificial. Their flesh doesn't rot when they die, it just sort of gets crumbly like old cheap plastic and rubber. And when you cut them open, it's obvious they're not human on the inside; their blood's a different color and their entrails are less realistic than their outsides are. They live a lot longer than the Blade Runner replicants, but otherwise comparing them to the replicants is pretty on-par, frankly. And comparing them to the androids from Alien and those movies is even closer, since that's their primary inspiration. Data is NOT one of the inspirations; he's more on the obviously not human side of android and he's way smarter and stronger than a human—if we were to put something like Data into the game, we'd call it something else (if only "greater android") and give him MUCH better stat mods and resistances and the like... and as such, he'd be entirely inappropriate as a PC.

I guess I feel like I'm getting mixed messages.

Everything in James post is spot on to what I would hope for.

BUT...from all of that, I can't see any logical reason to think they could become undead or lycanthropes.....it's just doesn't make any sense.
They are created in the Silver Mount and emerge as adults...so I just don't see them as being able to procreate (via sexual relations) either, especially with other races.

Undeath -- and life -- isn't a matter of the body, it's a matter of the soul. In the Pathfinder cosmology, as with the D&D cosmology before it, YOU CAN HAVE BOTH LIFE AND UNDEATH WITHOUT ORGANIC/BIOLOGICAL BODIES. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. There are any number of undead without physical bodies, of course. There are undead elementals. An artificially created body is nothing to the forces of life and undeath.

Likewise, lycanthropy, although its effects are modeled after diseases, is not a disease but a supernatural effect. It's highly unlikely that you could ever have a natural (born) android lycanthrope, as that would require two infected android lycanthropes somehow having a child, but there's no reason at all that the curse couldn't take hold in an android. The curse is not a life-form.


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If you're going to retain chakras as the terminology, and in general using a Middle Eastern/India theme, why not prana? Prana -- life force -- flows from chakra to chakra through channels called nadiis.


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Ssalarn wrote:
There's a number of related fields we're talking about expanding into if we get enough support for this project (Psicarna anyone?), but this thing has to get off the ground first

Might truenaming or shadow magic be among those fields?


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Ezakim wrote:
What does android taste like?

Robot Chicken.


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Break Nethys and use him as a pawn? I don't understand. Why would Nyarlathotep want to do all that to one of his own thousand forms? Seems like a lot of work to no gain. ^.^


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...Lords of Light!!


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FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:

I like science...

The reason why a horse and a donkey can breed is because of similar genetics, even though they have different amounts of chromosomes (Donkey has 24? horse has 26?, and a mule ends up with 25). Because a mule has an odd number of chromosomes, they cannot breed.

We can therefore assume that either elves and human chromosome counts are the same, or differ by a factor of 4 (Half elves can continue to breed). If half elves can continue to breed with humans, then elves and humans must have an equal amount of chromosomes. This would also be true with orcs and humans. Therefore, I conclude that an elf/orc breed is genetically possible.

If I may bring Elrond back into the discussion for just a moment, Tolkien (in his letters) states that elves and humans are actually genetically identical and the same species, otherwise they couldn't interbreed at all; the difference is in their souls, not their bodies.


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It occurs to me that Rovagug's worshippers are... different. They're so utterly mad that they're the only evil group who Sarenrae, goddess of redemption, has ordered her faithful to kill on sight without even trying to give them a chance.


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I have to say, the Laughing Sword shop seems like it would be a terrible idea. Not on the authors' part, let me hasten to add, I mean in-universe.

Seriously, all those intelligent magic items with widely variant personalities, many of them having overriding behavioral compulsions? All in one place, where they can bicker at each other? Yikes. :)


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Thing is, if the pit fiend knows this mortal is going to sell his name... that may be it. The gloves have to come off. He has to take the guy down now, by any means necessary, because every other outcome is worse. He has to not only kill the mortal and safeguard his name, but make an example out of him.


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It just occurred to me that both Mons'Verixes should have glyphs visible in the art...


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I don't think Norgorber wants to be "openly" worshipped. It's probably some kind of heresy to have an obvious temple.


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Gancanagh wrote:
I'll print my own Pathfinder Pawns, without a visable pawn I don't want the monster.

So you don't like the Pathfinder art for the monster, but you refuse to use the monster with non-Pathfinder art?

The entire World Wide Web lies before you! Here, have a Google image search for Graeae!


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The Diplocephalus is based on the Vouivre, which comes from French mythology.

Yaoguai is equal parts bear monster from a 70s movie whose name I forget, and the Yao Guai mutant bear from Fallout games, and the name is that of some Chinese monster.

Al-mi'raj is from Middle Eastern tales.

Ankou is from Breton/Cornish/Norman folklore.

Aoandon is based on a ghost that would allegedly appear after a night of trading ghost stories in Japan.

Apocalypse locusts are straight-up Book of Revelations.

Argus is Greek.

Bake-kujira is another Japanese myth, exactly as described.

Barometz is another name for the Vegetable Lamb of Tartary.

Beheaded of course are from Castlevania.

Bhole = Lovecraft.

Bodythief = Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Bugganes are ogres from the Isle of Man.

Cephalophore is the actual term for statues of beheaded saints.

Chaneque = Aztec, incorporated into Central American Catholicism.

Flesh Colossus might be Legion/Grafalloon from Symphony of the Night.

Comozant is a colloquial term for St. Elmo's fire, from "corpo santo."

The Dossenus comes from ancient Roman plays.

Gaki are Buddhist by way of Japan.

Gashadokuro are again genuine Japanese.

The Graeae are from the myth of Perseus and Andromeda.

Haniver gremlins are living Jenny Hanivers.

Monaciello is a benevolent fairy from Naples.

Harionago = Japanese.

Huldra = Scandinavian.

Hyakume = Japanese.

Hypnalis is the asp that Cleopatra used to kill herself.

Ijiraq = Inuit.

Irminsul is an obscure figure from Germanic/Saxon mythology.

Isitoq = Inuit.

Jinmenju = Japanese, and I think might have appeared in one or another Castlevanias.

Juggernaut = classic British misinterpretation of the Hindu god Jagganath.

Julunggali appears to be a name for the Australian Rainbow Serpent.

Kapre = Phillipine.

Karkinoi, while the name references crabs, are an alternate name for a group of obscure Greek earth deities.

Lampads are Hecate's torch-bearing companions.

Living Wall, as described, most closely resembles the recurring boss from Final Fantasy.

Lunarmas resemble Metroids, or possibly Space Invaders.

Myrmecoleon = Greek ant-lion monster.

Ningyo's name comes from the Japanese mermaid, but bears no resemblance at all to that version, instead being the "Feejee Mermaid" taxidermied hoax.

The Pard is from classic Medieval bestiaries.

The Peluda is a French folkloric dragon.

Phantom Armor is probably the Axe Armor and relatives from Castlevania.

Pickled Punks are preserved deformed fetuses found in freak shows and the like.

Pipefox is Japanese, although in folklore it's a small kitsune smoking a pipe and not a tube-shaped fox.

Catrina started as a satirical image of the Dia de los Muertos celebrations, but was rapidly adopted into the holiday.

Morrigna is one of the many names of the Irish mythological figure aka Morrigu, The Morrigan, and Morgan le Fey. Normally a goddess of battle, not really resembling this psychopomp much.

Nosoi were Greek spirits of illness, found among the prisoners of Pandora's Box.

Vanth is an Etruscan psychopomp figure.

Yamaraj are, I'd guess, the Yama Kings.

Qallupilluk = Inuit Qalupalik.

Ratling = Brown Jenkin from Lovecraft's The Dreams in the Witch-House.

Rokurokubi = Japanese.

Samsara is a widespread term in Eastern religion for the cycle of reincarnation.

Sayona is Venezuelan "La Sayona."

Seps are from Medieval bestiaries.

Snallygaster is an American folkloric beast from around Maryland, name descended from German "Schneller Geist."

Taniniver is from an obscure Kaballistic text.

Tikbalang = Phillipine.

Udaeus is another name for the Greek Spartoi.

Wayang = Javanese shadow puppets.

I suspect the Weedwhip of being a triffid.

Xenopterid is the Judas Breed from Guillermo del Toro's "Mimic."

The ypotryll is an invention of European heraldry.

...I am seriously impressed. o.O;


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Kajehase wrote:

James Jacobs has said that Golarion and Earth is the same size on a couple of occasions.

The main rationale for it would appear to be that it makes the physics of things that much easier. (Golarion also only has one moon, and, while I can't recall if it has been stated, is probably the same distance from its sun as Earth is from ours.)

Given that the calendar year and lunar months are identical to Earth's, Somal would pretty much have to be the same distance from Golarion as Luna is from Earth.

I've wondered about that one, by the way. Can it be a coincidence that Golarion and Earth share the same day length and so forth, and that the day is the same length as the duration unit of many spells. Perhaps the two worlds are special in some way because their day matches this cosmologically significant measure of time? :)


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Orthos wrote:
terraleon wrote:

Quite frankly, I love their exquisite taste in hats.

-Ben.

One's choice in hat is extremely important. It says a lot about you. A man can make a hat, and a hat can make a man.

The question is also whether he crafted the hat himself or won it in triumph over a superior foe.

Or ordered it as a sandwich.


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Frankly, the description suggests that they're a little too heavily driven by instinct to be considered truly free-willed...

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