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Hrm We could still use one more technically.

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The Sword wrote:

One simple piece of advice is to take down the key stats of each player when they level up and make it clear no character can have 5 higher in AC, to hit, max save, Spell DC etc than the next best player. That prevents combats that unfairly challenge everyone else but one character is able to cakewalk.

Set this expectation out right from the start, so that he can focus on optimising choices rather than sheer power. You may need to tinker with this if he is playing a fighter in a party of sorcerers or if he has several abilities that allow him to boost these core stats (arcane accuracy for instance).

It's a simple solution that doesn't penalise him retrospectively.

I have to point this out. If you take any advice DO NOT take this one. It is one of the worse things you can do as it basically sets the limit at the worse possible player and makes them have control over others while penalizing anyone who uses a modicrum of intelligence differently. A Fighter should not be within bounds of a Magus nor should a Monk to say a Evocation focused wizard.

A Paladin Will have outstandingly better saves than a Rogue, the examples go on. DONT DO THIS.

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There is no such thing as flavor over power. Some of the most 'flavorful' choices are also powerful as all get out. [Insert Video of Angel Summoner and BMX Bandit]

Don't be a dick should be always prescribed but suddenly placing focus on one player is quite noticeable and may not make the best response. Whatever rules that are made should be universal, if people dont want to amp up for combat, then they will look inferior and accept that, if he doesnt want to do the same in RP situations the same will be true.

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Its not even hard to be powerful in comparison to someone else and if you go the banning route it will end up something along the lines of " Alright you can play Base Fighter, Rogue and Monk " because anything else would cause a rift due to capabilities.

As far as advice, make sure you are well versed in the rules so that issues can be solved quicker, have any house rules established beforehand, do NOT adjust damage as it is very easy to figure out. Get on him about loopholes and 'abuse' . Simply ask what books a feat, spell or ability comes out of so you are aware anytime anyone wants something.

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They likely have Racial heritage then.

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Player characters are assumed to be able to handle 4 events of a CR equal to their effective party level daily (Expending a quarter resources about). A party is assumed to have 4 persons. As such it should be possible handle something that is assumed your level of challenge. At least once a day if need be. Be that a trap, monster, NPC or otherwise. A Single PC has a lower EL but the Marilith still is within possible challenge.

The main issue I have is that with all such, you cannot because the overall bolt is far weaker than it should have been. Thing is, it has Wizard spells so it can ofcourse do things because spells are powerful. it does not excuse a weak feature however. Heck, if you placed no real investment and could do 10 damage a hit and were focused on something else that would be fine. But its the fact you do and do little better.

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Imbicatus wrote:
Endoralis wrote:
You seem to forget Imbicatus, a simple Demon (which those who pointed out this issue in that playtest) Will neuter any Warlock ever. Not to mention Deliquescent gloves wont work because that is a separate and additional energy, which is applied to resistance just the same.

Lets assume a 17th level Warlock facing a CR17 Marilith. Assuming you took the arcane striker talent, point blank shot, and martial focus (mystic bolts), that's 1d6+10 +2d6 holy per bolt (+4 from levels, +4 from arcane strike, +1 form PBS, and +1 from martial focus). The Marilith has ER 10, leaving you with 3d6 per hit against a touch AC of 17.

Yes, the -10 per hit hurts. But you can still contribute.

And notice you picked quite a high level to even justify that much. Unfortunately that is paltry compared to the amount of investment you likely placed to make the Mystic bolts any good. The standard Ranged feats, TWF Tree, Weapon Finesse, to maybe do 10 damage per hit against a creature that is your CR which you should be able to fight alone, if with some challenge. Instead you place alot of effort for little gain and as I said, another class with just enough to get Mystic Bolt does it better and still has their abilities, they also get 2nd level Wizard spells out of it.

Your case was even assuming you could use Holy but lets give the Warlock benefit of a doubt.

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Deadmanwalking wrote:

Did I miss the part where a Warlock couldn't have a backup weapon-based option for Demons and others immune to their trick?

If attacking at range (as I'd imagine most would), they can just buy a bow, and go to town as an archer on such foes. They won't be optimal, but they should be able to afford a masterwork (or eventually +1) bow, and cold iron arrows are really cheap...and silvered blunted arrows aren't super expensive either. You can buy a couple of Oils of Bless Weapon and/or scrolls of Align Weapon, too, if you like.

That plus Rapid and Precise Shot (which they have), and Arcane Strike and, well, they're not as good as they are vs. things without all 4 Resistances, but they're not bad and it costs very little all things considered.

You are talking to someone who heavily playtested that particular variation of Vigilante. ultimately they went with the " Just give them the spells and half the talents" Idea, so unfortunately you cannot use much of the class choices. If you want to make a good Mystic Bolt user it shouldnt require you do as I did and have conductive weapon and use it as a rider (Double Barreled Pistol and Shortsword respectively) Nor should it just be fine to take 4 level of Warlock and 16 levels of anything else, like Fighter.

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You seem to forget Imbicatus, a simple Demon (which those who pointed out this issue in that playtest) Will neuter any Warlock ever. Not to mention Deliquescent gloves wont work because that is a separate and additional energy, which is applied to resistance just the same.

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Incorrect. Smite Evil is Cha to hit and Level to damage. When against an Evil Undead, Dragon, Outsider (or Antipaladin) The Level to damage simply doubles for the first strike. So the calculation in your example would be Cha (+3) to hit and Paladin Levelx2 (+6) to damage, then Paladin level (+3)from that point on.

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Save that you cant have True Strike Potions I dont ever think having levels of Rogue would help for that. I would instead put forth two levels of Barbarian and if high enough level get Improved Vital Strike and Furious Finish. Other such ideas are 5 levels of Inquisitor for Wis Synergy (Bane and Judgement Aint Bad) or Perhaps Abyssal Bloodrager.

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No, they Gain HP a la Barbarian or Bears Endurance.

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Alright then lets get this party started.

Private Pete Carlton IV inbound.

Weapon Skill: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (3, 2) + 20 = 25
Ballistics Skill: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (10, 5) + 20 = 35
Strength: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (10, 5) + 20 = 35
Toughness: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (1, 7) + 20 = 28
Agility: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (7, 7) + 20 = 34
Intelligence: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (3, 9) + 20 = 32
Perception: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (7, 2) + 20 = 29
Willpower: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (4, 3) + 20 = 27
Fellowship: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (9, 10) + 20 = 39

Alright lets reroll Weapon Skill

Weapon Skill Redux: 2d10 + 20 ⇒ (5, 8) + 20 = 33

Alright and then I'll Switch Weapon Skill with Fellowship.

Now Fate Points

Fate: 1d10 ⇒ 3

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Ah, Well then Guess Who is getting a Mono Machete? He has two thumbs and looks like me.

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The way the Backgrounds and classes are set up, most people will be unique while also forming a cohesive group.. nothing I've seen was skewed much in one way or the other. Stormtrooper for example is as Elite as it is in the base game adapted for this one. Though obviously they have less XP starting out.

I noticed you had the first come with a Monoknife.. did you instead mean knife? As I dont think we have Mono-weapons quite yet. I may be wrong.

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Looks good so far, obviously you are making alot of changes and eventually this will adapt depending on how far we progress. If you are wondering I am the one commenting currently.

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Exactly so it'd not be a hard extrapolation for their use to be limited to on-site use and then scheduled for reclamation after said missions. This assuming you can even utilize the weapons as they may have certain mechanisms to prevent use by Humans. Regardless I assume there would need to be a certain cache for study first.

Hrm. Since stats are normally 2d10.. are we sorta human (2d10+10 or 15) or slightly around the only War level (2d10+20)?

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Even at the beginning, when we find rare stuff, anything with ammo will still be an issue. Having a Plasma Pistol for example is only as good as how many rounds you have and since most enemies dont carry that many clips (Assuming they dont detonate) you get a few shots before they are gone.

Either way I have no issue with that.

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Ratling is built around a race not just flavor and is setting specific. Like Commisar is isnt really X-com. The classes available are more than good enough and likely to fill the areas you need.

As far as my character its fairly simple. He will be me so Close Quarters Combat, Mid Range capability and then some general provisions for survival. Will strive to keep team (Minions included) alive with quick thinking and tactics. Basically if the Ranger and Assault were fused.

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Its very deadly Sundaken but quite fun truth be told. Uses d100's roll lower than the number, should be fine.

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I Doubt it as that is a in-universe Class. I could see Heavy Gunner, Medic, Operator, Sergeant and Weapon Specialist

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Browman wrote:
Endoralis wrote:
Take your time, technically this isnt even the recruitment thread. I would say personally, once the classes are sorta finished we can at least roll up base characters.. and do the fine tuning later (Gear and whatnot). In true X-Com fashion I'll even name the person after myself so that the tears will flow forward if I die...

One of the reasons I am using Only War is that most classes have a minion that dies a lot more often than the actual player, when you return to base all dead minions get automatically replaced.

It should help keep the death count high without constant player character death.

Hrm So we will be fielding more than say, the 4-6 ( or in Long War 8) persons? Each person is going to have minions? Or are you changing that?

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Take your time, technically this isnt even the recruitment thread. I would say personally, once the classes are sorta finished we can at least roll up base characters.. and do the fine tuning later (Gear and whatnot). In true X-Com fashion I'll even name the person after myself so that the tears will flow forward if I die...

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Well then sign me up. You seem like you have some Interest.

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Im curious if the classes will follow the ones in X-com 1 or X-com 2.. or a fusion of the two?

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Sure Im up for some X-com, especially the hyper death rate . I assume though with the rules that wont be too much a problem.

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The banner.

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They Dont, End of Discussion.. Except MAAAYBE Amari and The Samurai.

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So I was correct, If all else fails assume they will take the less good route.

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How did your Monk... get shield?

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Ferious; What I was trying to get across was basically what the guide and with clarification from Mort, was correct. The effect is achieving certain parameters within the confines of your level. If it IS your main form of contribution.. it should be Green. If it is red you are not doing so as your main job and thus will expect not to do well. The guide reflects that.

The Inquisitor I mentioned ofcourse would be built differently from my own but admittedly their base would be low. After a certain point however, things like Bane become similar to rage and thus are on most of the time. As such you can calculate it as though they were and have one as though they are not. IF firing all cylinders you cant reach green then you need to fix something.

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Ferious, your example Inquisitor is different from mine in that your Strength is not 18 but that is simply a factor of 1 to hit and 2 to damage. A +7 is quite low as the chart shows but in practice the attack will not be that low for a plethora of reasons. Your previous Paladin by contrast was quite low at +7. The Difference being The Inquisitor with little effort reaches green and not for one or two fights for multiple Fights. Some it uses Bane which skyrocket EDV and Attack, Some it uses Judgement, Some it simply Casts Bless, which lasts 5 minutes and at that point can be on well before a fight or into multiple fights depending on the Dungeon.ost of the options take a swift or no action. Depending on the Inquisition or Domain They may not even have to do that. I havent even crept into their 2nd level spells.

This guide does not care for feelings, it represents competency and validity. With its entire kit an Inquisitor demonstrates its possible to be green most of the time, if you try harder it can be Blue. There is not alot of optimization there.

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Ferious I noticed it seems as though you have forgotten that Furious Focus is a thing. As well as Classes and Feat lines (Such as archery) that give extra attacks early and thus can get those numbers.

A good example being say an Inquisitor. At 5th level one such character with Power Attack and Furious Focus can have the Green in both Attack and damage while having orange or green in the other values. This assumes a +1 Weapon.

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Curiosity

Devil Fruit: 1d100 ⇒ 17

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

This does not need resolution. This has had resolution and people keep prying at it in the quest to get more attacks.

If something has multiple hands its a monster being run by the DM. That makes "how does this work" up to the person running it.

Elaborate, because that statement is clearly false otherwise.

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Nice, is this guy someone you know?

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I went in with My char, a Combat Specialist; 2 Grenadiers, A Sharpshooter, A Ranger and A medic Specialist. Just beat it, the mission was fun.

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I love Guardian... alot.. especially when it procs 4 times in a row. Especially when said person has a Repeater and Superior Stock.

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Hama, what mode are you playing on?

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Diego Rossi I would like to point out that your 4 example creatures were a bit misleading. And a bit incorrect.

The Xill has 2 attacks with short swords, an attack with a Bite and a claw. The other arm is holding a heavy shield, which is also a weapon but is used defensively and thus not on the attack line due to lack of feats and to keep a static AC.

Another such creature used in an AP actively uses.. multiple weapons and all 4 arms.

The Kasatha mentioned is a monk and thus cannot attack more than an additional time with Flurry of blows regardless of arms. The rest are not mentioned because of unnecessary space to note an ineffective combat choice for that particular example. Just as you would not mention the unarmed strike of a 10th level fighter who has a Greatsword and no feats to the fight unarmed. It doesnt mean Fighters cannot attack, they simply take the penalties involved.

The D'ziriak you did not read the creature. They say their hands on the lower portion are specifically unable to be used for combat, the top pair are functional.

And lastly for the Sahuagin, they are given more natural attacks.. along with two fully functional arms.

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Thinking of rekindling an old LoF character that I played on the Forums before the GM up and disappeared. Since Gnoll however is Not allowed, how do you feel about Human with Gnoll Heritage?

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Dotting

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I likely will use stark human with maybe a tweak here or there.. the character really doesnt need much outside of classes and is exotic based on abilities more than race.

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I could do either or but Im thinking someone that is relatively mobile or quick in shadows would be nice. Ill look over the other people maybe we can start combining backgrounds/finding similarities.

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More information would make advice easier.

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MikeM16A4 wrote:
BadBird wrote:
An Unchained Monk with a sansetsukon would give a Barbarian some competition with the ability to make a full two-handed strength and power attack strike twice per round with no penalty at level 1.

Badbird is absolutely right here. I did a number crunch a while ago with a friend of mine, and if I rolled up an unchained monk at lvl 1 in PFS I could kill his level 4 samurai before he killed me (if pvp was allowed of course) but that was assuming every attack hit and and everything was average damage.

The build was something like this (keep in mind this was for Maximum Cheesing:
Human w/ Dual Talent (since you don't really need the feat, and the extra +2 is nice)
13 hitpoints, 12 AC (kinda garbage, but it didn't really matter since you'd kill it right away)
Str 20
Dex 13
Con 14
Int 7
Wis 15
Cha 7
Feats were Power Attack and Dodge + Stunning Fist from monk bonus feats.
Picked up a sansetsukon, and my full rounds were..
+5 to hit, 1d10+10/+5 1d10+10
(5 str mod, 1 bab, -1 power attack ; weapon dmg, 1.5 str, +3 from pwr atk)
Was one of the best level one builds we've found.

Then your friends Samurai was pathetic, nothing about that build is special. And everything about his Samurai is off... because even a minimally made Samurai would on avg one shot you.

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@ Malwing, the problem with that mindset on the the master's degree side is that depending on what they are they cannot assume you will adjust to what they do specifically or may not be able to afford to NOT be somewhat closer to that level.

The amount of effort it takes to make a good Barbarian is infinitely different from a good monk for example.

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He can make a move action but not to MOVE. There is a difference but if he had an ability like Studied Target or whatnot that did.. he would be fine, but in general once you make a 5ft step grid movement is prevented.

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I will note that Your GM must have been pretty nice already because Eldritch heritage in no way gave you the ability to Affect Constructs with spells. It gives you the Bloodline Power.. not the Arcana.

As for classes, I will say your character is important in a way and if you DO decide to change remember the effect it will have on tactics and vice versa. You currently have a melee and I assume ranged so.. maybe an Inquisitor? I myself play a game on these threads and we hit level 7, He is a Paladin/Skald. It has been pretty thematic, entertaining and overall useful in many ways.

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Cavall wrote:

Yes but it does give the muscle Bound rogue a better advantage because they don't have to take that option.

All classes include something you can do without for the most part. This is an example of it. At best it makes the Dex build just as viable as strength. For those that use strength they don't need the option and will do great with damage.

This is incorrect, most classes do not have abilities you blatantly ignore as a baseline. Those decisions tend to be in variable powers you choose but not in the normal loadout, especially one that gives free feats or engenders a fighting style.

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