Hipster Thor wrote:
I hear you on the tokens. I should have clarified, that I bought the Bestiary's because I run mainly published adventures and the newer ones often reference monsters in 2 & 3. That info is available elsewhere, but my kids dig the pictures :-).
I'll second the Inner Sea World Guide. My players don't use it much, but it makes ME feel less list when reading Modules.
And Ultimate Equipment, cause who doesn't like loot?
I think it depends somewhat on whether you're planning on playing or running? I ended up buying the Bestiary's 2 & 3 next after the core group, but that's because I run for my family and more monsters to fight was more useful than more character choices.
I like the idea of some sort of introductory statement. If I ever get around to running PFS I would certainly include something like it.
But, at the risk of being a Negative Ned, what is your recourse as a PFS judge if someone takes such a statement as an invitation to form their own personal metagame? Who quibbles at anyone else's expressed discomfort? Who thinks it's funny to express their discomfort at everything? Etc. etc. you can ignore trolls on the web (sometimes) but its harder at a table?
Is it possible for Paizo to strengthen up their 'Don't Bully' language and maybe require (or strongly suggest) every GM start each session with reinforcing the Official PFS stance? This might make it feel less like 'I just got some granola-eating, hippie,rad-fem, GM'.
Also, just cause I like carrots over sticks, maybe there could be some sort of 'Citizenship Boon' for players that GM's notice making a particular impact on fostering a fun and inclusive environment? I don't know if each individual GM would be allowed to award these, or if they nominate players to their VL and/or VC, but some sort of positive reinforcement, in a manner that's not too easily subverted into a joke, might be helpful.
I'm not a woman, but I am a father of one, and I support the creation of strong female characters. We have a very difficult time finding fantasy literature for her. She LOVES Kyra, and that was a definite factor in my choosing Pathfinder over D&D when I decided to force RPG's onto my kids :-). More in that vein would be a big hit I'm sure.
Alice Margatroid wrote:
Earlier in the thread people were mentioning that women gamers might be more interested in less "hack-and-slash" and more "problem-solving" or "roleplaying-focused" modules. Personally I wonder if this is the case?
I did find it funny, but not "ha-ha" funny that when actual women suggest a girls night, that's shouted down. But when no women that I saw (I may be mistaken, I admit) suggested that "RPG's are just too violent". That got lots of immediete support.
I'd also like to suggest that many of us, myself included would be well-served on our game nights to consciously pay attention to a few things.
1) How often to you let someone finish speaking before you start? (Leaving aside the issue of how long you let them speak before you start to formulate your response.)
You might be surprised at how uninviting this behavior can be to strangers and newbs of any gender, regardless of how friendly you think your group is.
I know I said I was gonna hush up, but I can't help myself.
As I walks self back from the cliff, consider these two scenarios:
Person A says "I think X is a good idea."
Person B says "No, X won't work. Y is what you need."
Person A says "I think X is a good idea."
Person B says "That's an idea. Maybe we could also consider Y."
Do you see a difference? One is someone telling someone else that they know what's best for them. It''s taking away their freedom of choice. The other is expressing your view, possibly even your disagreement, but still leaving them the authority to chose on their own.
The difference is subtle perhaps. And I'm probably not even making my second conversation perfectly inclusive. But if we all (myself included) made subtle changes to the way we think and talk, things would be a lot better.
When a women suggests that an all female game night would be helpful and a male responds with, "What's REALLY best for you is a mixed game night." That's invalidating their experience. If you're not seeing it, it's because you're not paying attention. And that's the crux of this issue. We all need to pay a bit more attention.
I'm not telling anyone their experience is invalid, I'm telling them that their application of that experience onto people and situations they do not understand is invalid.
Now I'm gonna take my own advice and hush up.
You write IMO, but you don't actually think about what it means. It's your opinion. And in this context YOUR opinion is worthless. You don't know what it's like. I don't care how smart you are. How experienced you are. How sensitive you are. How you were bullied or made fun of for x or y problem you have. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!
So stop telling the women here that their experiences and reactions to those experiences are invalid. You ARE the problem. Just stop.
Let THEM, tell US, what would make THEM feel better. You can disagree and not do it, but you CAN'T tell them they are wrong. That you know better than they do what would make them feel better. .
BNW, let me start by saying, while I don't post much, I have followed the boards for a while, and in general I agree with you more than not, so this isn't just a "You're Stoopid, anonymous person whom I'm judging based only on 3 sentences I just read"
But, in this case I disagree vehemently. The errorI think you, and a number of posters on this thread, fall prey to, is thinking that this is a problem for you to analyze and solve in any way.
It's not about you. It's not about how you approach ideas. It's not about what words make you feel angry or defensive. Or what YOU can do so YOU feel like less of a jerk or weirdo or whatever.
It's about the women who play this game. And the women who might want to play this game. And the women who never will play this game because of various and sundry reasons.
The OP asked how to be more inclusive of women. That's not a topic you, or I, or anyone with a penis gets to have an opinion that matters on. We have the 'privilege' of listening to some rather articulate and patient women explain some of those reasons to us. Our only acceptable response is to say "Okay, I hear you."
Then we take the information provided and do with it what we will. Maybe we think they're full of it and don't do anything. Maybe we don't think there's a problem and don't do anything. Maybe we make small changes to how we speak and interact. Maybe we have life-changing epiphanies and dedicate ourselves to the cause of feminism.
But whatever we do, it starts with simply listening.. Not saying "Yeah, but..." or "You're wrong about this..." Or "You should do this instead..."
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that not one if the women who've shared here are asking for your help analyzing their experience, their reactions to that experience, or even their thoughts on how to make future experiences better. They are giving their thoughts, take them or leave them, but it's not your responsibility to stress test their thought processes for them.
I said hush up. I meant hush up. Because, I believe you're wrong, EVERYTHING is to be gained by men shutting up about a whole host of women's issues and simply listening to what they say.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the men on this thread can take a step back from mansplaining what the women are doing wrong while discussing this issue and simply READ and ABSORB what they are saying.
It's not a question of whether you agree. Or whether it makes you feel bad. Frankly, WMP exists. The evidence is easily and widely available. Arguing against it or demanding additional proof is trolling on par with demanding more proof for evolution or climate change. The need says far more about you than about the state of reality.
So just hush up and listen. If you disagree, that's your right, but I'm certain neither the OP or the majority of readers here want to hear how offended you are.
On topic, I recently attended my first con since being a teenager (let's say 20 odd years). My wife, daughter and son accompanied me and we all played a PFS game. For what it's worth, my 10 year old daughter's excitement at the prospect grew exponentially when she learned a female GM had volunteered to run our table. And in at least one instance that female judge, rightfully, slapped me down for not giving my own daughter enough time to make her own decisions in-game.
It's not an easy topic to deal with. But it's a heck of lot easier if those of us with the power talk less and listen and reflect and change a bit more.
Quick question the the iPad app: is it possible to modify the character's stat block shown in the right panel? I can figure out how to add basic hit points and initiative on the player names, but it always shows the base humanoid character info on the right. Also, along the same train of though, is there a way to add custom monsters to the data base?
If you're asking what I think you're asking, if you click on the red D20 next to the character and then hit Edit in the screen that pops up you can edit all sorts of options about the character.
I've yet to figure out the exact interaction of the various editable fields though. I feel like I'm constantly correcting the Perception bonus after adding skills and stats and abilities, etc.
I think there should be a little button with an a pair of green arrows. If you click that it replaces the radial number dials with a keypad.
I'd also be interested to know if there's a way to delete files. My 7 year old went a bit crazy making up monsters. It clutters things up a bit.
Great program. It's helping this newbie GM out tremendously.
Urath DM wrote:
I am curious to hear how things went. :)
Birthdays and Back-to-School time has interrupted our normal game flow, but we did get in one session. What I ended up doing was :
They returned to Gar's Last Meal after blowing the recruitment meeting. I introduced a GMPC wizard ( we only have 3 players so they're light on magic). They decided to use this PC to return to the Ranger's Lament alone and see if maybe he could find out wheN the next recruitment meeting was.
While he was doing that, they wandered about town a bit, shopped, etc. after some perception checks they noticed groups of cultists seemed to be paying a bit of extra attention to them.
They decided they needed to act fast and settled on breaking into the Ranger's Lament that night to see if the hatch they'd seen before being discovered by the bartender was indeed a secret tunnel. On the way there late at night they were ambushed by some acolytes and a priest. They killed a couple and disabled a few more via a sleep spell.
We ended after this battle. But I'm anticipating a pretty straight-forward dungeon crawl/ infiltration mission from here on out. I just need to decide exactly where I want to station the heralds so they don't end up facing all 3 w/ Krant at the same time.
One bit of advice for parents running games with their kids...make sure you have a plan for dealing with disabled foes. I didn't think in advance (bad daddy,). And we had a bit of a "Do we KILL the sleeping cultist?" moment. Our cleric did her best role-playing yet though in adamantly refusing to, but, it would have been better if I'd had an easy alternative on hand besides "oh yeah, you guys have a lot of rope...and look..that building right there is empty."
Urath DM wrote:
Thanks to both of you for the advice. As I walked in the door today the 7 year old was asking about ways to get a mask and robes. So perhaps I will run the investigation externally as suggested and set up a possible ambush one way or another to give them an access route.
Other than the issues with pruning down the options that Rot Grub mentioned, the issues I've run into in my limited experience that might call for advanced rule are:
1) Monsters from the Bestiary, not in the BB. Not a huge deal, you can substitute easily with creatures from the BB.
Hope this helps.
I'm in very nearly the same boat. I played Black Fang's dungeon with my wife, 9 and 7 year old. We followed that up with Crypt of the Everflame (which they enjoyed) and are now halfway through Masks of the Living God (which I've posted elsewhere as having just gone off the rails :-))
I DID end up purchasing the Core Rulebook (and Bestiary and APG), but mainly just because I wanted to read them. There are some core rule mechanics (swarm, combat maneuvers) that the modules mention, but I ended up mostly hand-waving them away, or using with a lot of hand-holding in very specific situations.
Going forward, I will probably introduce some more elements in when we tackle The City of Golden Death, but at this point, I don't foresee my wife or the 10 year old REALLY digging into the depth of character options available in the Core Rulebook for a while yet. The 7 year old, I expect will be a power gaming munchkin, but that's a totally different problem.
I've recently gotten back into gaming after a long hiatus, via the Beginner Box. I've run my kids (9 and 7) and wife through Black Fang's Dungeon and Crypt of the Everflame (which comprises all of their RPG experience). Currently, we are partway through the Masks of the Living God, and I've come to a crossroads and I'm hoping for some advice on how to proceed.
During the 'recruitment' at the Ranger's Lament, the kids decided they were unwilling to eat or drink anything at that bar. So I had Egarthis eject them from the meeting. They left, and evaded the cultists watching them, returning to the bar a bit later. They snuck in and discovered the trap door, but failed a stealth check and were discovered by the barkeep Rolen, before they had a chance to do anything further. I ended that adventure with them returning to Gar's Last Meal. Now I'm trying to figure out how I want them to proceed:
1) I think the boy wants to attempt a frontal assault. I've explained that there are MANY guards, so I think that's a low chance...for now.
Any advice for a very inexperienced group and Gm from people who've had this module go off the rails? Thanks in advance