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Well, since we are on the subject of possible errors for the spiritualist, here is something I caught for the 'Haunted Spiritualist' archetype...

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Ferocious Phantom: At 18th level, when using usurp manifestation the phantom gains DR 10/slashing and spell resistance equal to 11 + the haunted's spiritualist level (this spell resistance doesn't apply to spells originating from the spiritualist or from the usurp spell ability).

It seems a little silly that the phantom gains DR 10/slashing at 18th level when you automatically gain the following...

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Damage Reduction: A phantom manifested in ectoplasmic form has DR 5/slashing. When the spiritualist reaches 5th level, the phantom gains DR 5/magic. At 10th level, the damage resistance increases to 10/magic. At 15th level, it increases to 15/magic, and at 20th level, the damage reduction becomes DR 15/—.

At best, you gain DR 15/magic and DR 10/Slashing at level 18, but it seems a bit strange that not only is the DR you gain less then the amount that the phantom already has, it pretty much becomes obsolete once you hit 20th level.

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Well, I'm hoping for Antipaladin archetypes as usual. Specifically archetypes that deal with trading out smite good and cruelties for other bonuses (such as gaining the barbarian 'Rage' ability along with 'Rage Powers'). Some Ninja archetypes would also be very welcome as well. about an Antipaladin archetype that trades out 'fiendish boon' for a 'Black Blade' (like the one gained from the Magus archetype). I mean, come on...who doesn't like the idea of having an evil blade with a mind of its own? Tis clearly much more practical than a silly little ring (just make sure the hobbits don't steal it) ;)

I apologize if I sound dense, but doesn't the term 'may always act in a surprise round' basically mean that he is always aware regardless? From what I can tell, that seems to be the case, but it doesn't answer the question: what does 'is never surprised' actually mean in gaming terms.

For example, lets say a bunch of enemies ambush the party and a surprise round begins. The party already made their perception checks in order to determine who was 'aware' of the ambush, and any players that made the DC will get to act in the 'surprise round'.

However, a 13th level Kensai would get to act in the surprise round regardless of whether or not he made the perception check (he does this because of the ability gained at 13th level). Yet for this example, let us assume the Kensai is 19th level, and thus can never be surprise.

What happens then?

From what I can tell, the term 'never surprised' seems to suggest that while a surprise round does occur for all other combatants, the Kensai would treat the 'surprise round' as a 'normal round' instead (because he can never be surprised, and is thus not subject to the normal 'surprise round' restrictions). Based on the wording of the ability, this doesn't seem to be an inappropriate explanation, especially when you consider the inverse of a question:

How can a Kensai act in a 'surprise round' if he is 'never surprised'?

Then I suppose the begs the question: what is the point of saying a kensai is 'never surprised' if he already gains this ability at an earlier level...

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
At 13th level, a kensai may always act and may draw his weapon as a swift action during a surprise round, though he is considered flat-footed until he acts. During a surprise round or when attacking a flat-footed opponent, he adds his Intelligence modifier on damage with his chosen weapon (minimum 0).

Pathfinder SRD wrote:

Iaijutsu Master (Ex)

At 19th level, a kensai’s initiative roll is automatically a natural 20 and he is never surprised.

Given the wording of a 'surprise round', it would seem that the Kensai can take a full round action during a surprise because he can never be surprised (Which would mean that if there was a surprise round, the kensai would simply treat it as a normal round for himself instead).

Is this correct?

I know this is an old subject, but I still would appreciate an answer on this :)

I'm curious about all the archetypes in general for the core/hybrid/base/and alternate classes. Does anyone care to make a list of them (along with a brief description as to what they do/replace)?

So quick question: does the spirit summoner archetype still work with the unchained summoner. I would think it does because it doesn't really 'alter' the eidolon in any meaningful way (it basically has the same restrictions that the new eidolon subtypes have).

While I was browsing around trying to construct my oracle, I came across something that kinda confused me...

Phantom Touch (Su): As a standard action, you can perform a melee touch attack that causes a living creature to become shaken. This ability lasts for a number of rounds equal to 1/2 your oracle level (minimum 1 round). You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier. (From the Ancestor Mystery)

Phantom Touch (Su): As a standard action, you can perform a melee touch attack that causes a living creature to become shaken. This ability lasts for a number of rounds equal to 1/2 your oracle level (minimum 1 round). You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier. At 5th level, the target instead becomes frightened, and at 7th level, the target becomes panicked. (From the Occult Mystery)

So um, I guess my question this a typo? Or are both these abilities meant to be different? I mostly ask because other mysteries such as Ectoplasmic Armor and Spirit Shield seem to be the same so...what's the deal?

Alright, so my plan is to make a dhampir bloodrager, but I was concerned about the whole 'negative energy affinity'. Therefore, I thought it would be neat to counter that problem by using the spelleater archetype for Bloodrager. However, while going over the archetype, I came across something that kind worried me...

Spell Eating (su) - At 5th level, a spelleater can consume spell slots for an extra dose of healing. As a swift action, the spelleater can consume one unused bloodrager spell slot to heal 1d8 damage for each level of the spell slot consumed.

So my question is this: does 'Spell Eating' count as positive energy, or is the dhampir allowed to heal with it?

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Succubus in a grapple...the only way to die :P

Hopefully Kuru will be supported as well :)

I hope we get to see new archetypes (especially for antipaladin, ninja, or samurai).

Antipaladin archetypes!!!! I want them sooo badly (or more archetypes in general).

James Jacobs wrote:
Duskblade wrote:
Please...PLEASE tell me Kuru are supported in this book. I soooo want more options for my Kuru character...pretty please James *looks at u with puppy dog eyes*
Sorry. Kuru are not really intended to be PCs first of all... and on top of that I'm pretty sure they're way too obscure for much of a mention in this book.

To James Jacob:

Ahem, my Kuru Brawler of Gorum might disagree with you.


Please...PLEASE tell me Kuru are supported in this book. I soooo want more options for my Kuru character...pretty please James *looks at u with puppy dog eyes*

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One of my favorite things about Pathfinder has always been the archetypes. I love being able to trade out certain abilities in order to give my character more flavor, power, or at the very least make them more unique. However, even after all the books paizo has released, there are still some classes that are in DESPERATE need of more archetypes (at least in my opinion): Samurai, ninja, antipaladin, sorcerer, and witch (just to name a few), and I'm sure we would all certainly love to see more archetypes included for the classes in the Advanced Class Guide as well.

So tell me everyone, what do you think? What kind of archetypes would you like to see in the future? For me, I think I'm mostly looking forward to more Antipaladin (or even paladin) archetypes. Perhaps something that can turn you into a vampire (or maybe an archetype for a wizard/sorcerer/arcanist that turns you into a lich).

Perhaps a samurai archetypes that has access to ki, or an antipaladin archetype that sacrifices smite good for barbarian Rage.

Please feel free to post some of your thoughts/suggestions as well (and who knows, maybe paizo will consider the idea of printing this book somewhere down the road).

Okay, to answer a few questions:

1) I am currently one of the PCs, and we are near the end of book two in Kingmaker (not sure where exactly, but the GM says we are nearly done).

2) My group and I (along with the GM) all agreed that we did not need to write extensive 'criminal law'. In other words, cases of 'self-defense' have some pretty basic assumptions (such as using any means necessary in order to defend our lives). Therefore, by adopting this method, all my allies (myself included) maintain the ability to use enchantment magic, necromancy, etc.

3) In regards to 'tax laws', I have to be honest: I didn't want to write them (and to be fair, I'm pretty sure no one does). However, our kingdom does assume that there is a law that expects citizens to pay their taxes.

4) The laws I created were meant to handle problems in 'broad strokes'. I'd really like to avoid writing out page after page of legal documentation that dictates how magic items of extensive value need to be registered in order to establish proper ownership. Essentially if such a problem did arise, then the issue would be declared as 'theft' and thus investigated accordingly.

Also, while I realize the second right might seem a little strange, it actually serves two purposes: the first being that citizens are granted a great degree of freedom in our kingdom, yet at the same time, should any gathering start to prove dangerous (basically on the verge of a riot), then the presiding authorities have the right to disperse the group in order to avoid any potential escalating violence.

The purpose of the seventh right is to preserve the individual freedom and to also avoid potential corruption. For example, when writing our laws, it occurred to me that enchantment magic (namely charm or domination spells) could cause a huge problem in regards to how criminals are handled.

My main concern is that charm magic could 'technically' be used to force someone to confess (or in some cases, admit to a crime they did not commit). Other problems included charming a citizen to sell their house or give up their life savings (things of this nature).

While I understand the law does hamper enchantment magic for PCs, this has yet to be an issue for my current group. However, this isn't to say that exceptions can be made (for instance, the 'sleep' spell is classified as mind-effecting, but if the spell is being used to sedate someone who is in a lot of pain, then it is excusable).

Hey everyone. My group and I just finalized the laws for our kingdom, and I was hoping to get some feedback from the forums regarding any potential improvements/oversights that we need to address. Our Kingdom is currently neutral good in alignment, and the way our laws are worded specifically alienate certain types of creatures (mainly undead). This is intentional of course because we've currently been suffering from a small vampire infestation, and it was decided by my group that the undead had no place in our current kingdom.

Anyway, please look over our laws and let us know what you think. If you see anything we should change/improve upon, or if you find something that we've overlooked, please let me know.


Treason-Providing assistance, comfort, or information to enemies of the Kingdom, and acting directly against its interests.
[Sentence]-Death, imprisonment of a term to be set by the presiding authorities, or exile.

Murder-Killing of another person without justification. All murders pertaining to nobility must be dealt with by the crown.
[Sentence]-Imprisonment of a term to be set by the presiding authorities, or death.

Kidnapping-Unlawfully seizing and carrying away a person by force or fraud, or seizing and detaining a person against their will.
[Sentence]- Imprisonment of a term to be set by the presiding authorities.

Theft-Unlawful removal or destruction of property. This includes larceny, robbery, vandalism, fraud, tax evasion, and corruption.
[Sentence]-Two payments of equal value for the removed/damaged property, once to the victim and once to the crown, and one of the following:
a) Up to 10 years of indentured servitude in service of the victim. The accused can choose instead to pay the value of years of labor instead. Should the accused not be able to pay the first part of the sentence, the value of that fine is also to be added to the term of servitude.
b) Imprisonment of a term to be set by the presiding authorities.

Assault-Physical harm to any person or persons.
[Sentence]-Payment of any medical treatment required by the victim, and a matching payment to be made to the realm (anyone not able to pay must enter indentured servitude to work off their debt) as well as one of the following:
a) Up to 5 years of indentured servitude in the service of the victim.
b) Imprisonment of a term to be set by the presiding authorities.
c) Death (reserved for repeat offenders or serious offenses).

Slavery-The ownership of any sentient creature above primal intelligence, whether by magical means or otherwise (with the only exception being indentured servitude, which will always be determined by the presiding authorities).
[Sentence]-All slaves will be confiscated and granted their freedom, as well as one of the following:
a) A fine of up to 30,000 gold pieces to be paid to the crown.
b) Up to 10 years imprisonment or exile for repeat offenders.

Neglect-The mistreatment of any sentient creature. This includes, but is not limited to, abandonment of dependent parties, malpractice, or abuse.
[Sentence]-Confiscation of said dependent parties, as well as one of the following:
a) A fine of up to 5,000 gold pieces to be paid to the crown.
b) Up to 10 years imprisonment for repeat offenders.

Avoidance of Punishment-Violating exile, resisting arrest, or escaping indentured servitude or imprisonment.
[Sentence]-Increased severity of previous punishment, or death.

Attempted Crimes-If it can be proven that an individual attempted to commit a crime but was unsuccessful, they may be tried as if they had, indeed, committed the crime.

Necromancy-The summoning and/or creation of undead without a valid permit.
[Sentence]-Destruction of said undead, imprisonment of a term set by the presiding authorities, or death.


The Rights of All:
The First Right
All living people have a right to live and work within the kingdom regardless of race so long as they obey the law including direct orders given by the presiding authorities. Any interference with this right is to be considered, by law, the crime of theft (removal of one’s ability to live and work is akin to stealing their wages).

The Second Right
All living people have the right to speak their minds and gather in public or in private as they see fit, so long as they obey the law including direct orders given by presiding authorities. Any interference with this right is to be considered treason.

The Third Right
All living people have the right to bear grievances in open or meetings private meetings with the presiding authorities. Any interference with this right is to be considered treason (preventing members of the kingdom from bearing grievances harms the kingdom on a fundamental level).

The Fourth Right
All living people have the right to basic property. A man’s home and his possessions may not be taken without authority of law. Any interference with this right is to be considered, by law, the crime of theft.

The Fifth Right
All living people have the right to bring crimes to the attention of the presiding authorities for investigation. If in the course of that investigation the presiding authorities determine that a crime has been committed, further action will be taken. Interference with this right is to be considered treason.

The Sixth Right
All living people have the right to bear grievance against another in the form of juris macto. Both parties must agree to the duel and both parties must have a second to represent their interests. There must also be a member of the presiding authorities to attend the event. The seconds meet and decide the terms and time/location of the duel. All duels must happen on public land. The seconds must agree to weapons for the duel and the means of its conclusion (wounding, death, submission, first blood, incapacitation, etc). Once agreed, these options are presented to both the presiding authorities and the duelers. If the seconds cannot come to terms they can instead request arbitration from the presiding authorities. Anyone can reject a duel, and duelers are not responsible for any harm done to their opponent during the course of the duel. Any dueler caught cheating in said duel, or attempts to deceive the presiding authority, automatically forfeits both duel and life. Duelers may also nominate champions in their stead, although such champions must be presented in a timely fashion.

The Seventh Right
All living people have the right to free will and freedom of form. Magic cannot be used to forcefully alter an individual’s personality or ability to think for themselves, nor can it be used to change their appearance if they do not desire it. Any violation of this right will be considered assault.


Terms of Office/Elections
Whenever a seat on the council becomes vacant (either due to death, resignation, conviction of a crime, etc.) the presiding authorities may elect a temporary replacement to hold the office until an official election can be conducted. In such a case, the election must occur within two months of the councilmember’s position becoming vacant, during which time the people may nominate a representative to participate in a campaign to claim the open position. If this representative is the same individual that the presiding authorities already nominated as the temporary replacement, then no election will be necessary and the temporary replacement will be automatically sworn in as the new councilmember. However, if the people’s representative is not the same nominee that the presiding authorities elected as the temporary replacement, an election must be held to determine which one among the two of them will become the newest councilmember. Each citizen above the age of 14 will be allowed one vote, and at the end of the election, the representative with the most votes will be declared the winner. If the votes end up becoming a tie, then the ruler of the kingdom will decide the final outcome. Any attempts to fix, alter, or cheat the election process will be considered treason.

Positions of Authority
The Ruler-The ruler has full authority to make any decision, or overrule any previous decision, in proxy for any member of the presiding authorities.

The Heir-The heir to the kingdom has full authority to act in the ruler’s stead, although the heir cannot overrule or make any decisions in proxy for any member of the presiding authorities. If the ruler is removed from the throne, the heir is then appointed as the new ruler for the kingdom, and must subsequently select a new heir for the realm. Only a majority vote from members of the presiding authorities can bring the heir up on charges. If convicted of a capital crime (or deemed incompetent to rule by the presiding authorities), the heir can be removed from their position, exiled from the kingdom, imprisoned, or be put to death.

Presiding Authorities-The presiding authorities act upon their offices and are only answerable to other members of the council (the heir and ruler included). Only a majority vote from members of the presiding authorities can bring a councilmember up on charges. If convicted of a capital crime (or deemed incompetent by the presiding authorities), the councilmember can be removed from office, exiled from the kingdom, imprisoned, or be put to death.

Nobility- The title of a noble can only be granted by the ruler of the kingdom (or by the heir if the ruler is absent). Nobles are responsible for maintaining their lands, providing for their people, and collecting taxes for the crown. Only the ruler can terminate a claim of nobility, although the heir does maintain the authority to suspend a noble’s title if the ruler is absent.

Kuru are a race of cannibals from the Shackles...

Check them out here.

Ya know, as soon as I read this I REALLY wanted to make an amazing Kuru villian, but sadly that race is not allowed :(

The Brawler (like Chuck Norris) channels the power of MANLINESS into their fists. MANLINESS is power. MANLINESS is greater than magic. To be honest, when the brawler hits something, you should just be grateful that your players are still alive to witness the aftermath. ;)

Hmmm, if I look at a lot of the 'solid' spells out there, I would say that Cosmic Ray and Icy Prison are both very powerful. I mean, think about it: Cosmic Ray can deal up to 20d6 of 'untyped' damage and the fortitude save doesn't even cut the damage in half (really powerful for a level 6 spell).

In addition, Icy Prison is basically like Chains of Light, so it can end encounters very easily.

Also, Planeshift is absolutely bonkers when you think about it. It requires a will save that ISN'T mind-affecting, and if you fail, u basically just die (send them to the negative or positive energy planes and I'm pretty sure they won't survive for longer then 10 minutes). Heck, even the plane of fire or water could do the trick.

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So, after reading some of these comments, I'm afraid I must agree: I now despise Herolab! As such, I will be sure to log it away with all the other things I despise, such as the calculator, car, cell phone, and easy-bake oven.



So after looking over the advanced class guide, I finally came up with a great archetype for the anti-paladin class....

The Unholy Assassin

While most antipaladin's crave the power and protection provided by their dark patrons, others choose to forgo such gifts in order to slay their enemies regardless of their allegiance.

Class Skills: An unholy assassin gains survival as a class skill.

Skill Ranks Per Level: 4 + Int Modifier

Studied Target (Ex)

At 1st level, an unholy assassin gains the slayer's studied target class feature. He uses her antipaladin level as his effective slayer level to determine the effects of studied target.

This ability replaces smite good.

Slayer Talent

At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, an unholy assassin selects a slayer talent. Starting at 12th level, he can select an advanced slayer talent in place of a slayer talent. He uses his antipaladin level as his slayer level to determine what talents he can select.

This ability replaces aura of cowardice, cruelty, and plague bringer.

Marked for Death (Ex)

At 11th level, an unholy assassin gains the quarry class feature; this functions like the slayer ability of the same name.

This ability replaces aura of vengeance.

Doomed to Die (Ex)

At 17th level, an unholy assassin gains the improved quarry class feature; this functions like the slayer ability of the same name.

This ability replaces aura of depravity.

Vassal of Darkness (Ex)

At 20th level, an unholy assassin gains DR 10/good and becomes a master of murder. As a standard action, he can make a single attack against a studied target at his full attack bonus, choosing one of the following effects: kill, knock unconscious for 1d4 hours, or paralyze for 2d6 rounds. If the attack succeeds, the target takes damage normally and must succeed at a Fortitude saving throw or suffer the additional effect. The DC for this save is 10 + 1/2 the antipaladin's level + the antipaladin's Charisma modifier. Whether or not the target succeeds, it cannot be targeted by this ability again (by any slayer) for 24 hours.

Ya know, after looking at the abilities, I've recently come to the conclusion that the magus can't use deeds like 'precise strike' or 'evasive', and here's why...

The magus doesn't actually have Panache Points.

It says in the abilities that he can use his arcane pool points as panache points to activate the abilities, but nothing actually gives the magus panache points to begin with. Therefore, since his arcane pool can only be used to 'activate' these deeds (by spending them in place of panache points), deeds like evasive and precise strike won't work since they specifically require panache points to work.

Okay, it says this question was answered in the errata, but I can't seem to figure out where the 'errata page' is? Can anyone help?

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Lathiira wrote:
Duskblade, I'm glad I didn't try to grapple YOUR succubus, that would be...difficult?

Difficult...or do you mean 'fun'? ;)

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Ya know, all this talk about a succubus in a grapple really has me wanting to make a succubus barbarian with the following rage powers...

No Escape (cause, ya know, we dont' want them getting away)

Swift Foot (For those with a fetish)

Savage Dirty Trick (Because one can only imagine what kind of trick this would be)

Reckless Abandon (In case she wants to get wild)

Animal Fury (For those REALLY kinky moments, and its also a prerequisite for the next rage power)

Savage Jaw (Because if a succubus isn't grappling with her mouth, she isn't doing it right)

Smasher (Because ignoring an object's 'hardness' is a VERY powerful thing)

Knockdown (Because sometimes position is key, and being on top of a prone target is a VERY dominat--er...I mean advantageous position)

Groundbreaker (Or, as I like to call it: dropping it like its hot)

Come and Get Me (Because who doesn't like a 'tease that aims to please')

Auspicious Mark (Because a tattoo on the lower back is pretty much required)

Body Bludgeon (Because I imagine a succubus would be very skilled with this)

Breathtaker (For all those 'naughty' enemies who think they can resist)

[Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that the 'extra rage powers' feat will definitely be required]

Also, the succubus must have the 'savage barbarian' archetype. After all, we cannot underestimate the benefits of 'naked courage' now can we?

Ya know, for all the ladies out there, I'm surprised no one has come up with the inverse of this discussion...

Incubus in a grapple!

I have to say, I don't think you're giving the 'spelleater' archetype enough credit. After all, fast healing is pretty much another form of damage reduction, and unlike a normal bloodrager, you gain access to fast healing earlier and you get more of it (6 as opposed to 5 DR, not counting any DR bonuses). Furthermore, its very easy for the bloodrager to get DR from other sources (spell list included).

Furthermore, raging vitality and blood of life make you very difficult to kill since you 'auto stabilize' due to fast healing always being active (provided you have enough rounds of rage).

And finally, while the spell eating ability isn't THAT powerful, it can keep the bloodrager alive for a heck of a lot longer (think of it almost like lay on hands...but for a BARBARIAN).

Personally, I think a spelleater is infinitely more powerful/useful then the steelblood archetype. After all, the steelblood archetype ONLY really gives you a little extra armor (which is kinda counterproductive since you lose fast movement, but can move normally in heavy armor). Furthermore, blood deflection is kinda pointless since the bonus doesn't stack with a ring of protection. Overall, the steelblood archetype is kinda lackluster compared to spelleater, which can REALLY go a long way to keeping you alive.

Alrighty, so my question is this: does the 'increase damage reduction' rage power give everyone in the party (including the skald obviously) DR 1/- whenever the skald activates his raging song?

I mean, I assume this DR stacks with the skald's damage reduction, but I was curious to see if it would also give the party DR 1/- as well.

Hey James, I got a quick question for you: does the shaman 'life link' hex function in the same way that the oracle 'Life Link' revelation does? For a quick refresher, here is what they do (and the bolded section is how they are different)...

Life Link (Su): The shaman creates a bond between herself and another creature within 30 feet. Each round at the start of the shaman’s turn, if the bonded creature’s hit points are reduced to –5 or fewer, it heals 5 hit points and the shaman takes 5 points of damage. The shaman can have one bond active per shaman level. The bond continues until the bonded creature dies, the shaman dies, the distance between her and the bonded creature exceeds 100 feet, or the shaman ends it as an immediate action. If the shaman has multiple bonds active, she can end as many as she wants with the same immediate action.

Life Link (Su): As a standard action, you may create a bond between yourself and another creature. Each round at the start of your turn, if the bonded creature is wounded for 5 or more hit points below its maximum hit points, it heals 5 hit points and you take 5 hit points of damage. You may have one bond active per oracle level. This bond continues until the bonded creature dies, you die, the distance between you and the other creature exceeds medium range, or you end it as an immediate action (if you have multiple bonds active, you may end as many as you want as part of the same immediate action).

Now, my basic assumption is that both abilities are meant to trigger when an ally takes 5 or more damage, but the wording for the shaman hex is a little bit fuzzy, as it almost seems to suggest that it only triggers when an ally is already at -5 hit points. As always, any clarifaction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again :)

Does anyone else find it slightly disappointing that the spirit summoner archetype doesn't gain the benefit of 'spirit animal' or the 'manifestation' ability for the shaman spirit? I honestly would have LOVED to replace the Twin Eidolon ability for the final spirit manifestation, and the 'spirit animal' ability would have been perfect for the eidolon as well.

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I'm honestly starting to think that we just need to rename the pummeling style feat into 'FALCON PUNCH!'

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Well, after going over some of the new features in the ACG, I finally stumbled across a little feat known as Pummeling Style. For those not aware, this is what it does...

Pummeling Style-As a full-round action, you can pool all your attack potential in one devastating punch. Make a number of rolls equal to the number of attacks you can make with a full attack or a flurry of blows (your choice) with the normal attack bonus for each attack. For each roll that is a hit, you deal the normal amount of damage, adding it to any damage the attack has already dealt from previous rolls (if any). If any of the attack rolls are critical threats, make one confirmation roll for the entire attack at your highest base attack bonus. If it succeeds, the entire attack is a confirmed critical hit.

Now at first I was like "hey, that's cool: clustered shots for unarmed strikes". However, after crunching a few numbers, I have to admit that this feat really does have me a little concerned, particularly when it comes to the amount of damage it is capable of doing.

I recently started experimenting with the Sacred Fist warpriest archetype, and needless to say, when I was forced to figure out which combat style I needed to pick for my bonus feats, pummeling style was the first to come to mind. However, after testing out a couple of ideas (namely using things like Divine Power and Ki flurry to gain 2 additional attacks whenever I use Flurry of Blows), I discovered that my character was dishing out 9 attacks at level 20 (along with a boatload of damage as well).

When combined with Pummeling Style, the character was easily dishing out 300-400 damage in a SINGLE strike (which is almost enough to kill...well, just about ANYTHING with one single shot!). Furthermore, because the feat states that if ANY of my attack rolls are confirmed critical hits, then the damage for the ENTIRE ATTACK is also a critical hit as well.

So essentially, 300-400 damage suddenly becomes 600-800 damage...which pretty much one-shots anything in the game (for the time being, i'm assuming u can only use this feat with unarmed strikes, so a x2 crit range seems appropriate).

I guess what I'm basically asking is...doesn't this seem a little excessive? I mean, granted I love a powerful character and all, but when you are able to deal out this much kinda seems a little absurd.

Part of me is inclined to believe that this feat might get hit (or at least SHOULD get hit) with a nerf bat much like how Crane Style did, but I guess I wanted to see what other people thought first. As it stands, the fact that you are adding up damage from a +5 amulet of mighty fists, power attack (+12 for 20th level flurry), your strength modifier (which in my example was +8), and any of the other extra 1d6s from things like flaming and frost just seems a bit over the top, but if anyone feels otherwise, I'd sure like to know about it.

Now granted, in my example I'm assuming that every attack hits, but even if we allow for miss-chance and all, the numbers still strike me as a little on the ridiculous side (but again, if anyone feels differently, feel free to post). In my opinion, the feat would be more balanced if a critical hit only applied to a single damage roll (so basically if you rolled 30 damage on a crit and you already had 100 damage from previous attacks, the crit would only add 60 to the total...making it 160 damage...rather than doubling the entire amount to 260 damage).

But again, that's just me.

Well, after doing an in-depth analysis of all the new hybrid classes, I figure I might as well throw in my 2 cents...

Arcanist-I know a lot of people have stated that this class can make the sorcerer (and maybe even the wizard) obsolete, but to be honest, I just don't see it. Granted, some of the archetypes are very strong (Occultist for summoning monsters as a standard anyone?), but there are still a lot of neat tricks that a sorcerer can pull off (animal companion from Sylvan bloodline for example). I certainly wouldn't call this class overpowered yet, at least no more so than any other spellcaster. 7/10

Bloodrager-This thing is a beauty, but in some ways almost makes the barbarian obsolete (at least if you add the 'primalist' archetype). The sheer amount of extra versatility from this class is staggering, and as far as I'm concerned, taking the 'crossblooded' archetype is almost required (it just opens up SOOO many more options). It certainly is nice to finally have a spontaneous caster with a full BAB, so this particular class is a welcomed addition. 9/10

Hunter-At first I wasn't impressed with this class, but after trying out a couple of builds, I have to say that its actually pretty good. Granted, the spell list feels a little clunky at times, but the overall synergy with the animal companion is simply astounding. Archetypes like 'primal hunter companion' and 'divine hunter' are the icing on the cake, and the class actually has the potential to fill a lot of party roles (support, archery, healer, and melee combatant just to name a few). 8/10

Shaman-This class was a bit confusing at first, but once I started messing with it, I pretty much concluded that its kinda like a swiss army knife. Most of the hexes add versatility, and the spell list and wandering hexes are also solid options. I get the feeling that the class should mainly be used for support, healer, or melee combatant purposes, but I'm sure other options are also available. 8/10

Investigator-Versatility for the win, but I would have liked to see bombs (or at least an archetype that gave them). I can't really complain about the class, so its mostly just okay for me. 7/10

Slayer-I know a lot of people like this class, but honestly it just feels kinda mundane. I'm not saying its weak or anything, but most of the options just feel a little generic and stale (bonus feats for the win mostly). Its certainly a nice addition, but its just not for me. 7/10

Swashbuckler-I honestly have no idea why people hate on this class. Granted, its not a mobile monster, but I really do think there's a lot of enjoyment to be had. The 'inspired blade' archetype is REALLY strong as well, and the fact that one-handed weapon builds are getting some love is really refreshing in my opion. 9/10

Warpriest-I have to admit that this class REALLY didn't do it for me. Everytime I look at it I can't help but say "why would I ever play this over an inquisitor, oracle, or cleric. 4/10

Skald-This class really just feels like an archetye to me. I will admit that it does have some unique qualities, but the archetypes all feel very watered down, and it doesn't really different from your standard battle bard. 6/10

Brawler-Kinda neat, but kinda dull. I'm sort of one the fence with this one, but like the slayer, I don't really find it all that unique. Mutagenic Mauler and Wild Child are cool, but the class once again feels like an archetype. 6/10

In my experience, the Destined and Abyssal bloodline combination is by far the best with the Crossblooded archetype (especially if your base class is something like a tiefling who normally can't benefit from enlarge person).

Essentially the benefits of fated bloodrager (along with the fate's favored trait) pretty much offset any penalties from being crossblooded. In addition, both bloodlines have an excellent array of spells and bonus feats to choose from.

I would probably agree Aberrant is VERY strong (its immune to A LOT, but most importantly fatigue and exhaustion), but in this regard, it also makes tireless rage a little redundant and therefore useless.

In all honesty though, the Arcane bloodline isn't really that impressive to me. Its not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but aside from greater arcane bloodrage (which lets you benefit from haste upon raging), there's nothing that really stands out for me.

After all, the bloodrager can eventually cast spells upon himself automatically whenever he bloodrages, and haste is something you normally want to cast on the entire party anyway.

There is no DM approval needed to use this ability just like the oracle life link mystery. The wording is almost identical in every regard, the ability is named the same, and to me the intent is very clear. In fact, I'd also like to bring up something that Sean Reynolds said as well...

Link Here

Basically in a nutshell, here is what he says: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Its a good general rule to consider the intent of something and the context of what it does. For me, this is pretty clear cut. Are there a few 'minor differences' in the wording? Sure. But is the ability virtually the same? Yes (right down to the friggin name in fact). If a dev would like to confirm this I'd be grateful, but as it stands, the intent seems to imply that they both work exactly the same.

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I would still argue that both abilities are meant to work exactly the same. The way I read is like this...

If the bonded creature’s hit points are reduced to –5 or fewer (as in, if the bonded creature hit points are reduced by -5 damage or more) then this ability activates.

Its fuzzy English, I know, but that seems to be the intent in my opinion (especially since they are basing it off of the life link oracle revelation).

Also, keep in mind that -6 is 'fewer' then -5 (which is why I contend that the intent of this ability is to function exactly like the revelation).

Kalvit wrote:

I'll explain a few of the spirits. Life is not as good as has been advertised. Life Link only affects dying characters so they are stabilized at a distance with a bit of health to get them closer to zero. Channels require you to be heavily invested in Charisma to get any use, and that causes MAD issues that I thought we had brought up to the devs during the second round of playtesting. Spirit magic is fair, since it is a copy/paste of the Life Oracle's mystery spells.

Heavens Spirit has a solid list of spirit magic (due to copy/pasta of Heavens Oracle Mystery spells), but there's only one genuinely must have hex for it. That's Heaven's Leap by the way, and you would most likely have that either at 2nd level by mainlining that spirit or at the first chance for Wandering Hex.

Lore Spirit is the other MAD spirit, as the most notable hex requires all three mental stats to have positive values for optimum effect. That's just so you can add Sorc/Wiz spells to your Shaman spell list. The spirit magic list is lackluster due to the same reasons the Heavens list is so good. There is another decent hex that lets you use Wis instead of Int for your knowledge checks, but the others aren't that good.

Battle Spirit may be the second best spirit for a Shaman to mainline if they aren't going for a specific archetype. Spirit magic provides a lot of combat utility, which given previous statements isn't that surprising. There's a couple of decent hexes that work if you want to be a more melee Shaman, as well as some debuffs to throw. And the spirit abilities aren't too shabby either.

Well, for starters, there is actually some debate regarding what the 'life link' hex for the shaman actually does.

For more information, click HERE

Now, my own interpretation is that it is suppose to function exactly like the oracle 'life link' revelation (I mean,'s almost exactly the same word for word).

Also, as far as MAD issues, I really don't see it. After all, investing in both Wisdom and Charisma really isn't that hard (and again, keep in mind that I'm not encouraging players to use a shaman as a battle oracle, but more like a supporter/skill monkey). My current Shaman is basically a healing and casting machine, using a few offensive spells and focusing mostly in wisdom, charisma, dex, and a little bit of con.

Having a few hexes like slumber, or using the new stricken heart spell, u really can provide a lot of useful skills in combat, while still maintaining a lot of versatility outside of it.

Now then, as for the Heaven's spirit, I think it all comes down to a matter of tastes. Phantasmagoric Display and Stardust are kind of lackluster in my opinion, and Void Adaptation is alright, but easily supplemented with spells. The capstone is good, but I think the spell list is kinda lacking.

I am currently experimenting with a Speaker of the Past Shaman, and I have to admit, it really is satisfying. I think the thing you have to understand is that while it is tempting to make most divine casters into some sort of battle cleric, the shaman (in my opinion) is a little different.

For starters, when it comes to hexes, I wouldn't play a shaman in the same way I would a witch. For example, where a witch can excel at de-buffing and such, I believe a shaman excels at versatility and support. Hexes such as tongues, disguise, flight, feral speech, and healing really make the shaman a great out of combat skill monkey (the spell list can also help with this as well).

In addition, having access to revelations from both the ancestor and time mysteries is EXTREMELY useful. Things such as Time hope, Phantom Touch, Rewind Time, and even Spirit Shield all just add a lot of fun goodies to what the Shaman can do.

Now yes, I imagine u CAN play a battle cleric if you really wanted to, but for me, I find that a support Shaman (or healer) is probably the way to go. Their spell list is kinda limiting in some regards (at least when compared to the oracle or cleric), but if u mostly focus healing/buffing the party you should be pretty good.

I personally enjoy the life spirit the most, which gives me access to the life link hex (which is very useful for keeping party members alive). Plus, the spell list is pretty good for the most part, and the abilities u gain are are very useful (channel energy as a swift action for the win).

Ironic really. In my experience, the things that typically bog down combat are combat maneuvers, as it is normally just better to hit something rather than trip, bull rush, or grapple it. On the other hand, animal companions should not slow down combat in the slightest (at least in the hands of experienced players). In addition, there are of new feats in the advance class guide (evolved companion and spirit's gift anyone) that can really power up ur animal companion to make it a much more effective partner.

I know a lot of people are gushing over the daring champion cavalier, but honestly I'm still amazed by the 'inspired blade' swashbuckler. I mean, good lord...13-20 crit range (granted, it only occurs at level 20...but dear lord...NOTHING in the game can do that!)

I'm also a big fan of the mutagenic mauler and wild child archetypes (which stack by the way) for the brawler archetype.

I mean, think about it: giving up a few bonus feats for an ANIMAL COMPANION...the ability to use skirmisher tricks (that can be swapped out no less)...and also gives more tricks to ur animal companion.

In addition, the mutagenic mauler trades out martial flexibility and a small AC bonus for a VERY powerful mutagen and a several useful discovery options.

I mean, sweet mercy that's strong.

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Does the game need polishing? Sure. Are some of the older classes showing their age? Yes. Can the rules be simplified? Absolutely.

While I will contend that the game is flawed in some small aspects, I do believe that the overall quality is still very good. I know a lot of people would like to do away with alignment restrictions, and I personally would like to see that as well. Also, I think many of us can agree that some of the monsters in the bestiary kinda need a power boost to keep up with the growing power creep.

That being said, the system is still very solid. Oh sure, we could probably do away with a few of the useless class skills ( we really need profession, perform, or knowledge nobility), and also clean up a few of the more 'difficult to define' spells, but aside from a few tweaks, do we really need an overhaul yet?

I don't really think so.

Now granted, when Pathfinder 2.0 does come out, I will happily start buying the books. Honestly though, I'm kinda hoping Pathfinder Unchained starts polishing up a few of the problems.

Either way, I have confidence in the staff at Paizo, and I hope they continue to give us even more of this wonderful game we love.

Pretty much what the title says: if a swashbuckler uses a weapon that can be used as a throwing weapon (lets say, a trident), does the swashbuckler weapon training bonus still apply? Currently the bonus states that they get +1 to hit and damage for all one-handed or light piercing melee weapons, but I wasn't sure if these bonuses applied to the weapon if it was thrown (which is a ranged attack, obviously...but the swashbuckler is still using a melee weapon so...yeah...not really sure).

I know it doesn't eliminate the two-weapon fighting penalties, but I wasn't sure if the benefit only applied to the 'normal' amount of iterative attacks or not.

For example...

+20/+15/+10/+5 would change with precision to +20/+20/+15/+10

However, if we add two-weapon fighting into the mix, what happens then?

Do the off-hand attacks benefit from precision, or does precision not effect them?

Or in other words...

+18/+18/+13/+8 for main-hand with precision:

A) +18/+18/+13 for off-hand (if precision applies)

B) +18/+15/+10 for off-hand (if precision does not apply)

Which is it?

Again, sorry for being hard-headed, but I'm basically asking to see if hero lab needs to make this change or not, as the benefits from precision currently apply to off-hand attack when two-weapon fighting.

I'd actually like to know the answer to this if possible, so if anyone has any further thoughts please feel free to share.

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