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While I don't know if it qualifies as the most powerful, but I'm a pretty big fan of mythic telekinesis. The fact that it isn't concentration allows you to use it when needed for the duration of the spell. There's a lot of utility to be had in there. I'm a fan of range grapples and disarms.

For sheer power, mythic disintegrate with channel power (6th tier path ability), a maximize rod (only need a medium one), and mythic spell focus for 3 mythic power you can throw down 540 damage and 6 con. Make it 5 mythic power at tier 7 and it's 1080 damage and 12 con. All of this is made at their fort save -4 and rolling twice taking the lower result. You're also ignoring spell resistance. Very very few things are capable of surviving this.

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I think for a wizard:
1 - Mage Armor and Shield
2 - Mirror Image and Glitterdust
3 - Haste and Fireball
4 - Dimension Door and Greater Invisibility
5 - Fickle Winds and Wall of Stone
6 - Disintegrate and Greater Dispel Magic
7 - Mass Fly and Greater Teleport
8 - Form of the Dragon III and Prismatic wall
9 - Dominate Monster and Mass Suffocation

Honorable mentions (per level)

1 - Charm Person
2 - See Invisibility
3 - Heroism
4 - Wall of Ice
5 - Wall of Force
6 - Getaway
7 - Waves of Exhaustion
8 - Prediction of Failure
9 - Etherealness

Some of these are personal favorites rather than the "best" spell at that spell level, but if I could only cast these spells, I would still be a very happy wizard. I would consider Wish as one of the 9th levels spells, but it's stupid expensive and kinda of negates the purpose of this thread - same for the shadow conjuration/evocation line.

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While this is definitely NOT the point of your post, there is a footnote for use-activated or continuous use items that alters the price based on duration. Since shield is minute/level duration, you technically multiply the price by 2 which puts it at 4000g. This is still wildly underpriced and falls into the loophole category, but I thought I'd remind everyone of those very important footnotes for custom magic item creation. =)

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In addition to Suthainn's list, if your GM allows, you can take the Ability Focus feat to boost the DC of one hex by 2 (I recommend Misfortune personally).

And while it may seem like a bit of a waste of a quickened ill omen, landing a misfortune right after to keep a boss locked down the rest of combat is amazing.

Statistically, rolling a natural 20 while misfortuned is 1 in 400 rather than 1 in 20, and rolling a 1 is approximately 1 in 10 rather than 1 in 20. That's where misfortune shines and why people think witches are so strong. Your party will thank you that the BBEG can no longer land attacks (unless they're hideously strong...which does happen in RotRL) and fails pretty much all of their saving throws the rest of combat.

If you're facing a boss with high will saves (usually discernible if you're facing a spell caster or with a quick knowledge check for other creatures), then take the turn to land an evil eye. Combined with an ill omen, your misfortune is pretty much guaranteed to land.

Mindless creatures do suck, but that's an issue that will mostly go away after book 2 of RotRL wraps up. There will always be fights from time to time with immunity to mind-affecting, but they're not so constant as they are in The Skinsaw Murders. In such situations, absolutely go back to blasting or using other forms of control. My witch LOVED a well placed web. Also remember as others have said, Misfortune is NOT mind-affecting!

If your party is 1-2 rounding boss battles, then your DM should probably tune the fights a bit higher for appropriate challenge levels.

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My favorite voice I've done for a ratfolk was essentially Wallace Shawn (aka the Vizzini from Princess Bride). Generally speaking, I think the voice fits relatively well for the race as a whole. The lisp makes sense given the large incisors. Obviously, to each his own, but any other ratfolk I play will definitely be a variation on this characterization.

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I was about to assert that a spells type determines whether or not a divine caster can cast based on alignment, but Melk makes a very good point...I supposed they may have elected to use the word type rather than stating "...makes the summoning [spell gain the alignment descriptors that] match your alignment." However, there is no strict RAW evidence that indicates this is true. I would lean toward adjudicating that type = descriptor in this case, but you should probably talk with your DM for their opinion.

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no...Sammy T is right. Sacred Summons has to match alignment subtypes not creature alignment. The creature does not gain the good or evil subtype, only the good or evil alignment. The spell gains the good or evil descriptor, but the descriptor does not impact creature subtype.

Dang...I was all excited for a second there, lol.

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Oh, fun detail in the summon monster spell description...

In the last paragraph of the summon monster I spell:
"Creatures marked with an "*" always have an alignment that matches yours, regardless of their usual alignment. Summoning these creatures makes the summoning spell's type match your alignment."

I think this means that "*" creatures (pretty much all the animals) are completely viable for the HC and Sacred Summons combination, right?

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something that a lot of people forget is summoned celestial creatures gain a 1/day smite that can sometimes help depending on the creatures cha and hd. However, summons tend to be better meat shields, flanking buddies, and controllers rather than good damage dealers.

Also, sacred summons isn't available for sorc/wiz as they do not have the aura class feature.

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where is that "see expanded summoning for clerics" information found? Also, does the celestial template add the good subtype to the creature? If so, a cleric following a NG diety should be able to summon as a standard action.

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What about Command? Is the command then given mentally?

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yup...I'm dumb...totally thought the LG improved familiar was Lantern Archon. Oh well...

Anyway, question still stands with the Silvanshee dimension door.

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The Healing domain in my opinion is pretty weak. Empowered cures for free is nice, but there are stronger options out there for domain abilities. If you're set on the Healing domain, though, I'd check out the Restoration subdomain. The level 1 ability is more useful and the domain spells are very slight upgrade over the default.

Also, check out the Summon Good Monster feat (d20pfsrd is borked atm or I'd post the link). It has some nice summoning options since as a cleric you can't summon evil outsiders if you're a Good aligned character. Personally, I think requiring a feat for this is a bit dumb, but it does add some nice versatility. This also pairs nicely with Sacred Summons.

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Clerics can be excellent healers with very little effort. I think what most people mean when they say that clerics are not healers is that they shouldn't ONLY be healers. Don't build a character that is an amazing healer but can't do anything else. You have medium armor, 3/4 bab, and a lot of great buffs. You'll still have channeling and can convert spells to healing when needed (generally only to save a life or out of combat).

Healing is also considered by many to be an inefficient use of action while in combat. Shutting down an enemy with a control spell, buffing the party in some delightfully cleric-y way, or straight up killing an enemy yourself tends to prevent more damage than you have healed with a cure spell. Heal is the only really efficient spell for healing because of the sheer amount of HP it restores as well as its ability to remove conditions and ability damage.

By all means play a cleric that can heal well. Just remember that you're playing a cleric, so you kinda heal well by default.

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The subject more or less says it all. Can I give my Lantern Archon a touch spell to hold, have it use it's greater teleport SLA, and have it deliver said touch spell? The deliver touch spells section states that the spell is only lost if the master casts a new spell. It does not mention whether or not a familiar could cast a spell.

Now, I would argue a SLA that is a touch spell might interfere simply because one touch should overwrite the other, but if the SLA isn't a touch spell, I don't really see why it wouldn't work. I'm not too fussed either way, but I thought I'd get the forum opinion on the matter.

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I consider myself relatively familiar with Alchemist's as a class. I'm not familiar with any discovery that increases reflex DC's. He could be thinking of the Ability Focus feat which let's you increase the DC of a specific special ability by +2. I'm not 100% sure bombs would qualify, but I think they would. That's about all I can think of regarding bomb DC boosts.

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While I agree with your interpretation, the class designer has stated that in its current form even with no additional action cost, the blast melee forms still provoke or require concentration checks. However, pretty much everyone that has playtested with the melee forms agrees that they should not provoke in the final version.

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Just realized we didn't post much in terms of character generation specifics. We used 20 point buy with average HP (5/lvl for d8s). We used 62k wbl for lvl 10 characters, so our gear was relatively optimized. The kineticist was a halfling, the occultist was an elf, the mesmerist was a gnome, and the psychic was a human (we wanted to stick to core races for playtesting).

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They clarified in the original post updates that you can only create one instance of a blade or whip, so no.

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Some thoughts after playtesting at level 10 (only 2 combats due to time constraints).

Melee kineticists should not be penalized for choosing to go into melee. I realize they gain iterative attacks, but having to make concentration checks or provoking AoO's to use their only form of attack felt unnecessarily negative.

Regarding melee form infusions, with a 3/4 bab class, iterative attacks will at most triple (or quadruple with haste) the blast damage assuming all attacks hit. Since a rogue with sneak attack is likely to do at least that much damage (and is likely TWF, so 6-7 attacks), melee kineticists seem to be paying a much greater penalty than making sure they are flanking.

I read another player's playtest feedback regarding kineticist bab and hp being bumped to full bab and d10 hit die. I strongly agree with these suggestions even if it is limited to an archetype for melee focused kineticists.

One other thought I had was the presented Extra Wild Talent feat seems unnecessarily limiting. Generally speaking, kineticists have a lot of feats to think about, so taking an extra wild talent is going to come at a heavy cost. I think the level limits on what talents can be selected is not needed (not to mention takes up less space on the page). Additionally, the majority of what extra wild talents will add is versatility/utility rather than increased damage.

Reworked Extra Wild Talent feat:
Requirement - Wild Talent class feature
You may select an additional Wild Talent that you meet the prerequisites for. This feat may be selected more than once, each time on a different Wild Talent.

To respond to some of the other comments on the burn mechanic, I feel that the current version of burn seems reasonable. Combined with the reduction in form and substance costs as well as the ability to reduce a blast wild talent cost by 1 with a move action, burn should really only be an issue with the "spell" talents.

I do think that there should be more access to area of effect talents with reasonable scaling (line > cone > burst > selective burst). AoE burst talents being delayed until level 16 seems awfully late (aka never in PFS) to become available. My thought is that AoE talents should all be universal with access to line at level 1, cone at 6, burst at 10, and selective burst at 16. To clarify, when I say selective burst I mean that you may select X number of targets no two of which may be more than 30 ft apart kind of targeting.

Some of the other Wild Talents could be easily combined as well (for the sake of page space). Change the flame jet and greater flame jet (and all of the other versions) to Energy Burst and Greater Energy Burst. The description can clarify that you propel yourself with a burst of flame, telekinesis, or a jet of water (which should be added imo given the water jet packs that exist IRL). Air can keep its talents separate as they are early access (as they should be cuz air...)

Lastly, I think Aether kinetic blast could have a touch option that deals force damage but only rolls d4s instead of d6s (xd4 + 1/2 con). D4s balance the fact that force is not subject to energy resistance.

Sorry I was a little all over the place. I think there was too much randomness for a TL;DR. I like kineticist as a class and hope it can be get the tuning here and there to be a good addition to the game.

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I was the other player in this playtest playing the kineticist and occultist. I figured that they were intended to be finessable but thought I'd post to be sure. Regarding iteratives, I thought I read that only the kinetic fist option got iteratives but that sword and whip were one use only (other than AoO's on whip).

Lastly, in terms of concentration, I believe I failed 2 concentration checks between the two combats (with a +2 trait bonus to concentration but no combat casting). The first combat was very short, so I think I only attacked twice and neither time was in melee range. The second combat, I was surrounded by bulettes, so I made 5-6 checks and failed 2.

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On a more random rules note, Mesmerists also have a nice list of Illusion spells on their spell list. Many Illusion spells have concentration. Would the immediate action (and eventually free action) to activate a Trick on an ally interrupt concentration? If so, this causes a (in my opinion) frustrating choice between using one of your main class mechanics or using one of your main class-themed spell types.

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I also think that another option to both boost Stare and make Tricks less clunky would be to allow the Mesmerist to activate Tricks on allies that are targetted by a creature currently affected by Stare even if the Trick was not currently placed on the ally. By targetted, I mean that a creature affected by Stare can be used to trigger Trick requirements in allies even when they haven't been specifically targetted by a trick. Obviously, the Mesmerist has to spend a Trick as well as his immediate action (eventually free action) to activate the Trick. Additionally, this could end the Stare requiring the Mesmerist to reapply the Stare.

Then again, I'm on the bandwagon that preset Tricks are difficult to use in an effective manner. I also realize that I may be the only person on this bandwagon, so it's really just a wagon at the moment.

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This response is based purely on reading through the class and does not include actual gameplay testing.

That being said, I find the Tricks mechanic to be extremely clunky and limiting. Even a high level Mesmerist will struggle to make good use of Tricks in my opinion. The fact that action economy in combat is terrible for reapplying tricks essentially means they need to be preloaded. However, the 1 min/lvl duration means that frequently the trick will go unused since they are very specific in nature and combats are rarely predictable without excessive scouting or divination. Combined with the limited uses per day makes the ability to successfully utilize Tricks very difficult.

In general, I do not like the placement of specific tricks on party members. I would prefer Mesmerists to have the ability to set up a trick which when activated can utilize any of the Mesmerist's known tricks. This allows them to preload tricks onto the party and use them in a more reactionary way rather than speculating that a specific engagement will occur that will make use of a specific trick.

Mesmerists seem to present the idea of strong control options through manipulation and mental prowess. Therefore, the mind-affecting immunity issues seems to come with the cost of playing the class (a similar issues for bards, witches, and any other enchantment focused class). I love that Stare provides at least a partial ability to impact mind-affecting immune creatures.

I think the Stare mechanic could benefit from being fleshed out. It currently feels like a very minor at-will ability that inflicts an equally minor debuff on the enemy. That does not sound like control and manipulation to me. It sounds like a parlor trick. I realize that at-will abilities need to be balanced in their power levels, but Stare in its current form feels very lack-luster. Perhaps fleshing out the additional effects that can be applied while a stare is active or having the debuff scale more effectively. The Evil Eye hex is -4 penalty on ALL saves at level 8 not -2 to will saves at level 12. Evil Eye allows a save, but that's a laughable (pun intended) excuse since Cackle allows you to maintain the debuff regardless of whether or not the save is made. Maybe allow it to only lower saves versus the Mesmerist's spells and abilities but cause it to scale more with level.

Mesmerists seem to be most closely comparable to bard or perhaps some hybrid of a bard/witch. In its current state, I would take a bard or witch over a mesmerist without argument in virtually any group. To be clear, I love the flavor and concept of the mesmerist. It actually fits a character concept I've been developing recently. I just struggle seeing the current iteration being viable to a group. Another comparison to bard and witch is that both classes have healing options while Mesmerists only have condition removal. Additionally, bard buffing and witch debuffing blow mesmerist contribution out the window in my opinion. Other than for sheer RP and flavor reasons, why would I choose to play this class over bard or witch or even an enchantment focused sorc/wiz?

TL;DR Mesmerists reek of flavor and concept, but they currently feel much weaker mechanically than their comparable counterparts in a similar role.

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@DonDuckie I don't see anything in the wizard class ability that says they must learn each new spell. In the spell section, I see "A wizard may know any number of spells." In the spellbook section, I see "[A Wizard] cannot prepare any spell not recorded in his spellbook" which Perfect Preparation specifically negates. Later in the spellbook section, I see "At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast for his spellbook" which is very different from being required to learn new spells.

After rereading these sections, I can see a strong argument for wizards to prepare spells like clerics. However, as a GM I would most likely require wizard players that select this path abiilty to have a list of spells they have in their "spellbook". I would also rule that upon exposure to the mechanics of a spell (either by reading another wizard's spellbook or finding a scroll...maybe even correctly identifying a spell as it's cast), a wizard need only make a successful spellcraft check to learn the spell without any need to scribe it (as spellbooks are no longer needed).

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Natural Attacks are not iterative. You have two claw attacks at level one, and even when you hit BAB 6/1, you'd still only have two claw attacks. The only way I can think of to make additional attacks with natural weapons is haste effects that explicitly state that you get to make an additional attack.

Simply put, at level one a catfolk with the claws feature gets 2 claw attacks as part of a full attack action.

If you're wielding a weapon in one hand, though, you can still make a secondary natural attack with your other claw (the one not wielding a weapon) with a -5 penalty.

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I'll be honest, I stopped reading about half way through the posts...

I'll echo other people, with 3 players, just roll up an NPC and have the party share control of him. I wouldn't make two characters per player unless both the GM and players feel very comfortable with the rules. Since you're all fairly new, things are going to be complicated at times as is.

You mentioned Crypt of the Everflame. I don't know if it was intended to be connected, but a friend of mine ran us through that one, then took us through Mask of the Living God and City of Golden Death. They flowed together nicely enough whether or not it was written that way.

Lastly, I would stick to core races for two reasons. Reason number 1: the ap's and modules will likely flow a lot better with standard races. I'm not saying your friend couldn't make it work, but it will definitely complicate things for you as a DM. Reason 2: I'm extremely biased against you shouldn't do it.

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1. I never noticed that it doesn't list a range. I think you'd be safe going with 30 ft. Because it's a major hex, you might be able to justify 60, but I would say no one would argue with 30.

2. It's a disease effect, and I'm pretty sure you cannot make a disease worse (aka take double damage from filth fever or something). I don't have documentation to back that up, but I'd say you cannot stack it.

3. Again, no documentation, but a lot of witch hexes like this one use phrases like "the target's wounds become infected" as flavor text. I would say the target does not need to be wounded.

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You seemed interested in a gun-toting alchemist. I'd highly recommend going 1 level of gunslinger and the rest in alchemist. You could go gunslinger 5 and the rest alch if you want to be absolutely maxed in damage while still having all the deliciousness of an alchemist.

I'm playing the gunslinger 1/alch x build right now in skulls and shackles. It's a lot of fun so far. I'd recommend the pistolero archetype and picking up the explosive missile discovery.

Then again, there have been lots of other great recommendations. I think the forgemaster or whatever it's called cleric could be a lot of fun. The only thing I'd recommend is taking a race with a bonus to con since you'll be pretty squishy with only 10.

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I realize this is slightly off the topic, but if you consider a very difficult challenge for a high level party (I'm talking CR 25ish), the knowledge check DC would likely be 15+25=40 (a CR 25 monster is likely extremely rare and thus justifies a base DC of 15+CR if not higher). Thus a check of around 50 only nets you 3 pieces of information about the creature. Just tossing that out there for consideration since these bonuses are being calculated at max level.

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@Slacker I think we're making the same point. I'm just asserting that you won't find metamagic wands, scrolls, etc. out in the world as loot very often (if ever). Players are very much within the rules to craft them tho.

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While you can't technically add agile to a black blade, I think you and your DM could talk about it and make something work. Maybe he/she would let you sub out one of the other options on your ability to enhance your blade using arcane pool. It would need to be a reasonably powerful substitution like Keen or something equitable. Perhaps he/she would allow you to take a magus arcana that adds Agile as a weapon enhancement option like Devoted Blade and Ghost Blade.

For example, you could call it Graceful Blade. Whenever the magus enhances his weapon using his arcane pool, he may spend 1 additional point from his arcane pool to add either the agile, defending, or guardian property to the list of available options. The magus must be at least 6th level before selecting this arcana.

This would give you some nice tanking options as well by giving you access to the defending and guardian weapon properties. Obviously, this is a homebrew magus arcana, so you'd need to talk with your DM about it. I don't think it seems unreasonable tho.

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@Eric - I seriously doubt you would find a wand with a metamagic feat already attached, but if you have the craft wand feat, I see no reason you couldn't make a wand of reach (+1) shocking grasp for the price of a 2nd level wand. However, you have to remember caster level limitations of wands if you wanted to do an intensified shocking grasp wand. You'd need to pay 7500 (well...3750 if you're crafting) to make its caster level 10 to get the full benefit of the metamagic feat. I would also argue that you could not use traits such as Magical Lineage or Wayang Spellhunter when crafting, so you'd actually need to pay 15000 (7500 to craft) for a level 10 intensified shocking grasp wand.

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The only issue here is that I cannot find the "greatweapon spell combat" feat that you mention. The build is fun and flavorful, but I'm assuming that feat is what is allowing you to still use a 2-handed weapon while keeping your class features. If it's a homebrew feat that your DM created, then by all means, go ahead. However, using a 2-handed weapon removes access to the crane style tree of feats which as some have already suggested is a great feat tree for tanks.

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You also have to keep in mind that combat is all happening simultaneously. Every 6 seconds is broken up into individual actions because otherwise combat would be even more complicated than it already is. Conceptually, you're firing your bow for your full attack while someone is coming up to attack you. I realize this falls more into conceptualization than rules adjudication, but I think it's the best way to justify not being able to deflect an attack with crane style while wielding a bow.

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@Big Lemon Witch is definitely my favorite class in the game, so I'm biased too. However, I tend to play the arcane support class the vast majority of the time with my group. I realize I'm limiting my capacity as the arcane caster for our group by going Kensai, but I wanted to stray somewhat from the arcane support role. I'll still have access to a lot of arcane spells, and my UMD will be decent for other stuff.

Our whole group is going to be relatively high damage, so I'm okay with having less control in our group. With my rime frostbites, I'll have decent debuffing on the target I'm attacking. I think this will allow me to bring some arcane support while being more of a melee damage class.

You're right tho, hexes are amazing. Witch ftw!!!

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@Matt2VK I'm not too fussed about losing spell recall since I'm going black blade (my arcane pool is going to be small, so I'll be almost exclusively using it to enhance my weap).

@Cornielius using quick calculations I'd get 14 flat armor from +5 full plate with a max dex of 3 if I made it mithral for a total armor+dex of 17. I could very reasonably get both my dex and int to 24 and eventually get +8 bracers of armor for a total armor+dex(and int) of 22. So technically going without armor nets me more armor, higher touch ac, better reflex saves, and more mobility than wearing armor. Regarding the staff magus, I'm not a fan of the archetype, but it would combine with hexcrafter.

Currently, I'm leaning more and more heavily on Kensai. I know it's a bit more cookie cutter, but I think I'm liking the flavor better than hexcrafter...for now, lol...

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I'm about to start Serpent's Skull. The party is a battle cleric, archer ranger, barb, and rogue. I decided to fill in the arcane slot by playing a magus. I'm playing a half-orc for rp reasons, but I'm trying to decide on my build. I'm currently leaning toward Kensai, but I'm not sure.

If I go hexcrafter, I'd do a str build. However, my ac will be pretty low for a few levels and will never really catch up to the dex build I'm thinking about. However, I will have full spellcasting as well as access to hexes. I love witches, but since I play them in other campaigns, getting access to hexes on this toon isn't essential. It's more just fun flavor.

If I go kensai, I'd do a dervish dance dex build. However, since I'm the only arcane caster, losing a spell per level is a pretty hefty penalty. At the same time, I would have a lot more ac with both int and dex.

I'm also taking Magical Lineage (Frostbite) and Wayang Spellhunter (Shocking Grasp). I plan to pick up both Rime Spell and Intensify Spell. If I grab Rime, I'll also prob grab enforcer for free intimidates when Frostbite is going. Basically, I plan on having a backpack full of lvl 1 pearls of power to fuel these two spells over and over. Frostbite is awesome for debuffing (fatigue, entangle, and shaken with the above combo), but shocking grasp is clearly better burst as well as being useful vs mobs immune to cold or non-lethal damage.

I really like both concepts. I'm leaning toward Kensai, but I'm really torn. Thoughts?

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Grace - cleric 2, pal 1

swift action self only 1 round of movement without provoking. It's situational, but closing the gap on the huge dragon without getting a huge chunk of flesh ripped out of you is pretty nice. Better yet, a low level GTFO spell if you can cast it defensively (which is pretty easy given the spell level).

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not that you really want to do this, but you could dip one level of undead bloodline sorcerer. It allows your mind affecting spells to work on undead (doesn't really help out with hexes tho...unless your DM is nice)

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Mythic Shield

This spell grants a +6 shield bonus to AC. In addition the target of the spell may grant himself total cover as if using a tower shield (still requires a standard action)

You may spend an addition use of mythic power to cast this spell onto an actual shield. The shield bonus provided by the spell is treated as an enhancement bonus to the shield. Using the spell in this way also confers all the benefits of the standard shield spell (immunity to magic missile and adding shield bonus to touch AC vs incorporeal touch attacks). Shields affected by this spell add the spells bonus to the shield's hardness and HP for the duration.

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Deadly Juggernaut at minimum caster values is a 3rd level spell cast by a 5th level cleric. I would make a comparison to a ring of invisibility for the sake of a use-activated item with unlimited uses as they are both rings with spell effects.

Ring of invisibility 20,000g. Oddly, the calculated price using magic item creation rules would price a ring of invisibility at 24,000g (2x3x2000x2).

Ring of Deadly Juggernaut using strict item creation rules would be 60,000g (3x5x2000x2).

I think 60k gold is very reasonable for such a ring because of the time it takes to stack up the bonuses. Generally speaking, I rarely see combat last more than 1 minute of game time which means this ring would only be at it's peak for about 4 rounds (1st round of combat activating ring, 5 rounds of stacking bonuses to +5). This is assuming you're successfully killing a qualifying opponent every round. Granted if you're aware combat is going to happen, you could activate the ring prior to combat since it lasts 5 minutes per use.

If the ring provided it's effects without ever wearing off, I would agree that 60k might be a bit low. Heck, given that this would have to be a DM fiat anyway, make it automatically activate when you kill an enemy. The effects stack as written in the spell. If you go 5 minutes (the duration of the spell cast by a 5th level cleric) without killing a qualifying enemy, the effects wear off.

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Jason Bulmahn wrote:

If you want two spells, both the archmage and heirophant have an ability that allows them to get another spell cast in the round.

I'm trying to figure out what ability allows archmagi and hierophants to cast 2 spells (without quicken). The only abilities I can find are the Archmage Arcana and Divine Surge abilities that talk about casting spells.

My initial reading of those abilities was that you could do that as a standard action. Was my reading wrong? Can you use these abilities as a free action unless otherwise specified? I would love to find out this is the case, but I have a feeling that this is not the intent of these abilities.

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Mythic Fly (could also apply to overland flight and moreso fly, mass)

The spell also confers the benefits of the hover, wingover, and flyby attack monster feats as well as the air mastery special ability (see air elementals).

You can spend an additional 2 mythic power causing movement while flying to not provoke attacks of opportunity. Additionally, the target's flight speed increases by 10 feet per mythic tier (too much?).


Mythic Polymorph, Greater

You may make use of any form changing spell of 6th level or lower (including undead anatomy, monstrous physique, etc)

You may expend an additional mythic power to increase the maximum level of form changing spell you may use. 7th level form changing spells cost 1 additional mythic power. 8th level spells cost 2 additional mythic power.

This might be too imbalanced because you're effectively getting an 8th level spell for the price of a 7th. However, this is mythic we're talking about.


Mythic Invisibility, Mass

Creatures affected by this spell are partially incorporeal as long as the effect lasts. They are immune to non-magical damage and only take half damage from magical sources (other than force effects which function normally). Additionally, attacks made while under the effect of the spell are resolved against the target's touch AC. Affected creatures gain no additional benefits of being incorporeal.

You may spend and additional 4 mythic power to cause the spell to function as Greater Invisibility. Using this ability reduces the duration of the spell to 1 round/level.

Perhaps the two effects should be reversed. I don't know which is more powerful. Perhaps both are too powerful.


Mythic Reverse Gravity

The gravitational pull of the spell increases significantly causing ranged attacks to have a 50% miss chance when affected by the spell and forcing flying creatures (magical or natural flight) to make a fortitude save each round they attempt to leave the area or be stuck in place until the start of their next turn.

You may spend an additional 3 mythic points to increase the gravity even further. Affected flying creatures are treated as though they did not have the ability to fly while in the area of the spell. Additionally, creatures in the area take 1d6 non-lethal damage/2 levels (max 10d6) every round they are affected by the spell (fort half) due to the extreme gravitational forces.

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I did the same thing, PDKM, no worries =)

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he's not using a ring of continuation, he's making a custom magic item that allows deadly juggernaut to be a continuous effect.

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Well, apparently you can change the rules as you see fit (size bonuses are size bonuses that you don't get to change because you feel like it). If you're not trolling (which I'm pretty sure you are at this point give the 5 1-phrase posts in a row), you should really have your DM help you rebuild this race according to the rules for player character races.

In response to your last post, I'm not even remotely surprised that your fellow players have higher combined modifiers. you have cumulative -7 penalty to offset the cumulative +15 you have to your primary stats. This is min/max/munchkin to the extreme.

Again, I'm pretty sure you're trolling us at this point, so I'm done. Congratz on getting so many people to respond tho!

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Continuous might be a bit silly. I don't think it's outrageous to have a use-activated item tho (more like a ring of invisibility). You still have to activate it every encounter, but the benefits are very very strong.

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side note, your CMB is +11 not +9. 11 = 7(str) + 3(bab) + 1(size)
your CMD should be around 20 (30 vs disarm). 20 = 10 + 7(str) + 3(bab) -1 (dex) +1 (size) +10(vs disarm from locked gauntlet)

edit: wait a sec...are we being trolled? I almost hope so...

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bit of a diversion from the original thread, but yes your character is OP in my opinion. At level 4 it's relatively difficult to get your hands on a +2 stat item, so your strength being 24 already is pretty ridiculous. Even with a +2 stat item, a str of 22 is very, very powerful. Toss in the fast healing, and you make an already imbalanced character full on broken. As a DM, I would never allow a race like that in my campaign unless we were starting at a very high level when the racial bonuses have less impact (even then, I'd be very hesitant with this race). Did you use the race builder? How many points did you spend? Did you roll stats, or did you point buy?

Based on the point buy system, your character would be a 33 point buy with racial modifiers that add 6str, 4int, and -7cha. If on the off chance your cha is 10 and you mistyped, then the build becomes a 37 point buy with no racial negative modifiers. Since most games are played with 15-25 point buys (25 being on the high end), I would say that your stats alone break the game. Oh, and I just saw that your race is large by default. That means that you have natural reach which is extremely powerful especially at lower levels. I have no idea why your DM allowed this race at his table, but unless the rest of your group is playing equally ridiculous races, you should seriously consider using a more standard race.

However, your cha being 0 means your character is comatose, so I guess it's not overpowered.


Back to the original post, paladins are very frustrating to me. They generally trivialize any fight where you have a BBEG. Of course BBEG fights should have minions and whatnot to distract the party, but the BBEG is still the emphasis of the fight. Smite and 1-2 round killing your boss is extremely frustrating as a DM. I understand that throwing non-evil bad guys is a potential solution, but when the theme of the adventure has evil bad guys, that becomes a problem. I've had a fight or two where I've challenged the paladin in my group, but more often than not he decimates the challenges that I throw at him.

To the OP, I made the mistake of playing my campaign a bit too brutal. I had a player lose 2 characters in the same dungeon (one in the 2nd fight he played the new character). His response was to make a much more defensive character. Unfortunately, because of smite, he still deals a LOT of damage. I can't blame him for making a character that won't get killed so easily, but it has made the campaign as a whole much more difficult for me to challenge the party. The biggest mistake I made was allowing players to roll stats instead of using a point buy. I'm a gungho point buy advocate now because rolling stats (while more fun, no questions asked) breaks the game more often than not.

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