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I find the concept of doctrine for a god changing over time interesting because it tells me that gods, like people, can and do develop over time. (They're not static beings.) I like the idea of fallible gods in RPGs that can change over time- make mistakes and even learn from them. (Or conversely, turn evil from good like Dou Bral-> Zon-Kuthon.) A god may be good today, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was always like that. (This is how I explain the events of a certain controversial 3.5 module.)


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I'm almost seeing this as like one of those really tough-to-call borderline cases that people trot out to discuss paladin alignment issues. But obviously there are at least some cases that do play out in reality. It seems like one would almost have to be there in the flesh to put a judgement on this thing it's that close. All the difference would be made by how the situation played out and how the actions were executed. This is a case of how you do it being almost as important as what you do.

On one the one hand, "come with us or die" may have been unnecessarily provocative (essentially a threat on her life) and prompted the spellcaster to defend herself. Perhaps it could have been worded in a more discrete, less threatening, or less ultimate fashion. And the paladin may not have had the authority to take her into custody or to render judgement upon her (at least from her perspective.) An unarmored old person probably wouldn't have been that hard to hit for nonlethal damage.

On the other hand, it sounds like the paladin did do a fair amount of investigation on this person. It's not like he JUST cast detect evil on her and then struck her down in cold blood. He also did give her a warning (even if it came off as merely a threat on her life) and initiated violence as a response to her almost certainly hostile act. In the heat of the moment when potential life or death were at stake (especially the life of children), a more rational plan of action (striking her for nonlethal damage) may not have made itself apparent. One can make a strong case for self defense.

I would be VERY hesitant to make the paladin fall- it's a gray enough case that it's sounds like it's almost a question more of tact and execution than right out breaking the paladin code. Legally there may be some ramifications, but unless some kind of moral lapse can be established (wanting to go around some legal process to take her in and deliberately invoking death threats to force undue cooperation), then I'd be relatively merciful. The god may even be angry, but any serious punishment from the divine perspective should be handed out only after the strongest consideration of alternatives has been made.

That being said, there's obviously a mismatch of perceptions here. Some discussion between the OP and the rest of the group is needed regardless of who was in the wrong and who was in the right. Probably preferably once tempers have had time to cool down.


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Captain K. wrote:

Queen Abrogail Thrune II will most certainly not be stepping down from the throne at the conclusion of this AP.

How dare you Marxist scum even debate such a thing?

No, I'm afraid you have it wrong. It is CAPITALISM that marked the end of feudalism. Therefore, the heroes of this Adventure Path can be no other than the LUMBER CONSORTIUM!


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EvilPaladin wrote:
And Question Evasion.

All right, the Super Sayin' is broken! Question Evasion is what kept the Politician viable!


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The Blowhard
(air elementalist wizard/bard)
Power through being a windbag.

The Everyman Survivor
(barbarian/monk)
Strong defensive focus, otherwise just a normal Joe. No alignment restrictions.

The Super Sentai
(cavalier/summoner)
Teamwork focused character with gimmicks such as summonable weapons, power suit (ala synthesist), and eventually even a mecha.


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Triphoppenskip wrote:
Wrath wrote:
However, when I was DM ing, it was frustrating a little, given you'd prepped a game and players weren't focusing.
That could be why I feel a little more frustrated with the Carrion Crown campaign. I'm DMing that one and trying to establish a good horror feel but it's hard to do when the rest of my group keeps cracking jokes. I'm a player in Second Darkness so I'm going with the flow of the other players in that one, often playing the straight man for our groups summoner. Kinda feel I should discuss it with the GM of that group now and make sure we're not throwing him off his game.

Discussion is good. One thing that might be worth exploring is the context of the humor. Whereas a humor response can be a sign of not taking something seriously, a humor response can be a response to fear because it's something of a defense mechanism. Particularly if it's a morbid or gallows sense of humor.


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The Load
(fighter/monk/rogue)
Sometimes the whole is less than the sum of its parts.


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mechaPoet wrote:


Honestly it seems like the most common link between serial killers and mass shooters (to say nothing of killings performed by military or police) is less frequently mental illness and much more often that they tend to be white guys.

This is interesting. If this is true, I think it could suggest an idea potentially usable for rpgs: the dangers of assumption. That when a certain level of power, influence, or worldview is taken as a given and then significantly thwarted or thrown into question, then that can make people become alienated and bitter without having to be mentally ill. If one's self identity is based on some strongly held but skewed viewpoints and these are subjectively threatened, then this could be a reasonable explanation of motive without having to necessarily include things like mental illness.

Perhaps this might explain the conceptual connection between the paladin, antipaladin, and why the two are so closely linked? Specifically, the paladin is commonly with a fairly limiting, black-and-white code of ethics. The potential trap with black-and-white ethics is that it can involve an "all-or-nothing" style of thinking that doesn't allow for a lot of shades-of-gray in between the black and the white. So you have some paladins that are really, really Good but partially due to an understanding of reality that may be somewhat biased. And when circumstances throw that worldview into question for a significant enough amount of time, some will cope by embracing the opposite of what they formerly knew to be true. So they fall, and they fall hard, turning over fully to the dark side without necessarily having any of the other behaviors associated with mental illness.

Generally speaking, a lot of the time RPG antagonists show a level of rationality and organization that is not strictly in step with their supposed irrationality. I seem to recall reading somewhere that visionary killers (serial killers that are driven by psychotic delusions and impulses such as a deity telling them to kill) can be fairly disorganized and sloppy in the execution of their crimes because their perceptual/cognitive distortions inhibit or prevent their ability to conceal their crimes. OTOH, you have cultists of Lamashtu not only self-organizing in secret but also in co-opting other groups and institutions.

Therefore, my understanding of "madness" within an rpg world is that it's not so much an individual quality but an elaborate social construct, a fabrication on the one hand to explain the inexplicable and on the other to rationalize bad behavior. This is in character, the former viewpoint is held by many of those who don't embrace "madness "as self-identity and the latter is embraced by those who do. Of course, The key part of this is the fabrication part- it's a lie and untruth, people truly functioning well enough to embrace "madness" as a concept aren't truly mad- they're just participating in a more or less consensual social lie. A lie to where metaphysical beings like demonlords, Great Old Ones, etc. can exploit to their advantage (or themselves be exploited).

We don't have a lot of people praising "madness" as a concept to live by in the real world because of the lack of:
a) Entities that represent metaphysical concepts don't exist to grant spells, exist in physical form, or otherwise overtly encourage/exacerbate them like they do in D&D
b) Spells that enable and encourage the spread of such ideologies
C) A cosmology where concepts have a directly observable physical quality to them.

However, in the context of an RPG, "madness" cults can be explainable because of these things. And since "madness" isn't really mental illness but instead buying into a social myth (a lie), it's associated with chaos and evil. (I use "madness" in quotation marks because this is merely pseudo-madness.) Basically these madness cultists are merely grandiose malingerers.


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My take on Rovagug, Old Ones worshipers, etc. is that they're not really insane/mentally ill but instead bitter to the point of hating the universe. They've experienced tragedy and they've concluded the universe is evil enough to be destroyed. The existence of Rovagug and other similar entities just gives them a rationalization for their bitterness and a way for them to come together and organize.

Another model for cults devoted to totally evil gods is for the cult leaders to act as antecedents- intermediaries that appease the deity for now so that it withholds its wrath for a little while longer. Or the deity they worship battles another (perhaps even more hated?) entity and the cultists look to their deity to protect them from this other one. Basically, worship through the lens of fear and/or despair.


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I think seriousness and humor can actually complement each other pretty well, in that each can offer a change of pace from each other when things start to go stale. They can also offer emotional release/catharsis when it's needed. So I guess, both?


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Wasn't there a jolt cantrip somewhere around in a web enhancement or a blog or something? Maybe a wand of that, or shocking grasp/lightning bolt/call lightning?

Using Planar Binding (and variants) for Lightning Elementals (or even the raiju) might be another solution.

Finally, for a more mundane solution, you might take a look at Go to Battery of Babylon for inspiration and extrapolate/fantasy-fy it a little bit.


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Troodos wrote:


Xanatos needs stats as a deity

I'm pretty sure Asmodeus already has stats, doesn't he? Domains and what not, anyway.


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The Mobster
(summoner, gunslinger)
Uses guns, has a few teamwork feats that can loan to underlings, and can summon a seemingly endless number of lesser goons and flunkies to fight for him in combat.

The Penguin
(Aristocrat/Druid)
Odd bird-focused class with avian animal companion and speak with avians (as the wizard discovery feral speech). Only proficient in special umbrella weapons that character makes. The lemon of this supplement. Oh well, you can't have them all.

The Poison Ivy
(alchemist/druid)
Plant/poison/pheromone based alchemist. Plant empathy ability.

The Psycho
(Invulnerable rager/rogue)
Not quite a good a fighter as a barbarian, but just as damage resistant thanks to unnatural craze. Uses stealth and Intimidation based tactics before going into a madness-induced rage.

The Scarecrow
(Bard/Alchemist)
Focuses bombs around mind-affecting gases and neurotoxins, particularly those that involve illusions or fear. Also has a Joker archetype that focuses more on madness, death, and some of the offensive Bard aspects.

The Two-Faced
(master chymist/gunslinger)
Can transform into a darker personality at the drop of a coin. Gets two saves vs. any effect, inborn proficiency with dual pistols.


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The Pretty Prince/Princess
(aristocrat/druid)
Power comes from implausibly purity of character and sickeningly sweet demeanor. Can speak with and charm animals just through being so darn nice (Friend to All Living Things class ability). Has an intelligent animal companion of some sort (a feat can turn it into a unicorn or a pegasus.) Can perform fairy tale-like minor miracles (remove the Eternal Slumber hex with a kiss, for instance.)


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The Freak (Robot, mutant, cyborg, etc.)
(fighter/eidolon)
Picking up evolution points to make your custom abomination/kick butt fighting machine.


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EvilPaladin wrote:

Scientific Debunker[Alchemist/Investigator]:Use logic pool and knowledge bombs to scientifically disprove magical effects, because they violate the Scientific Law. Theoretical Physicist archetype augments your knowledge bombs with effects such as blinding.

Unrelated mechanics wise, but Atlas Games' Occult Lore (3.0) had a Skeptic PrC that was pretty much anti-magic- you could have all sorts of nasty effects on magical creatures using the Logic skill.


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FOR THE HORDE!


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Ross Byers wrote:
They could keep Abrogail at Aristocrat2/Sor16. That's CR 16, and still lets her contribute 8th-levle spells. That plus Gorthoklek is shy of CR 21. Gives you room for some mooks or that Erinyes inquisitor.

Isn't there some rule that if you have both NPC and PC class levels, then the NPC class levels count for full?

Presumably as a BBEG she would have PC level wealth and at least a 20 point buy array. That's good for another +1 CR.

So put together that's CR 18.


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The Denier
(Envy Thassilonian specialist wizard/barbarian with the superstitious/spell sunder/etc rage power tree)
It's all about shutting down everybody else's cool stuff. Because if you can't have nice things, NOBODY should.


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PFWiki wrote:

At the height of Imperial Azlant, the Knights of the Eastern Star was one of the two sects of the shining order of armored magi known as the Knights of the Ioun Stone. The Knights of the Western Star served the emperor and the empire's Throne of Glass while the Knights of the Eastern Star searched the lands beyond the empire's borders for secret lore. The few Knights of the Western Star who survived the Earthfall eventually came to serve the living god Aroden while the Knights of the Eastern Star never believed that Aroden was truly the Last Azlanti. When Aroden died the Knights of the Western Star faded from history but the Knights of the Eastern Star have remained scattered throughout Avistan and beyond, since Earthfall, ever searching for secret lore and the new ruler who would restore the glory of Azlant..[1]

The strongest faction of the Knights of the Eastern Star is centered in Oppara. The knights focus their attention further to the east, in the Windswept Wastes of Casmaron. This chapter of the knights, known as Apotheosis Almorain, believe that a resurgent cult of the Ninshaburian hero-god, Namzaruum, will produce the leader destined to become the next emperor of Azlant.

source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Knights_of_the_Eastern_Star

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Ninshabur (destroyed -632 AR) was once a great and powerful empire, constantly expanding across Casmaron, until disaster struck in the form of the Tarrasque. Its previously grand structures are now little more than dust-choked ruins, and its people are now only wandering ghosts

source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Ninshabur

Suspicion: The Knights of the Western Start didn't simply "fade from history", they were ELIMINATED. A faction within the Knights of the Eastern Star (one led by at least one Veiled Master) saw them as rivals and had them wiped out so that the Knights of the Eastern Star (and the Apotheosis Almorain in particular) would be the ones to find the new ruler to bring about New Atlantis, one that would be squarely under the thumb of the Aboleth.

The conspiracy doesn't end there. The "leader" they are seeking may merely be a cover for their true goal: freeing the Tarrasque (or one of the other spawn of Rovagug) and then controlling it via unknown but incredibly power means that exceed most forms of mortal magic. (A Mythic Veiled Master? Perhaps...) The aboleth would then use the Spawn of Rovagug to wipe the Inner Sea clean of anything they didn't like and then start over again.


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
How about right now? :)

Thank you. It's much appreciated.


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Hmm, a Squeally North Punter archetype for the antipaladin seems awfully specific.


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"For all that and a bag of chips!"


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Dreaming Psion wrote:

The Dungeon Master

(wizard/summoner)

Specializes in creating dungeons from nothing and populating them with all sorts of summoned critters that couldn't logically fit in there.

The Pungeon Master)

(Dungeon Master/Bard)
NO! Oh gods please NO!


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The Dungeon Master
(wizard/summoner)

Specializes in creating dungeons from nothing and populating them with all sorts of summoned critters that couldn't logically fit in there.


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Kildaere wrote:

Zen Farmer (Monk/Commoner)

Their flurry of vegetables class ability is way OP though.

Yup, a 1st level zen farmer with the young template can do 1d8 with just one radish alone!


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So we have the thread on what would happen if all the bad things happened in APs would come true in the same continuity. But what about the GOOD things? With the revelation of the AP after Giantslayer, I think it might be an interesting exercise to picture a Golarion after all these monumental events occur.

Where as "All the bad things happen..." might be fun for a post-apoc scenario, I think a "All the good things happen..." might be fun for a gilded age type scenario. Glory has been won across the Inner Sea (and in some places beyond), but now that many of the more overt threats have been nullified, Golarion must deal with picking up the pieces that the conflicts left behind. When an evil is destroyed, there is always a power vacuum to fill. Whereas most implications of the heroes winning might be good, there could be ripple effects that might down the line might not be so good.

Consider Mendev, for instance. Now that the Worldwound is closed, Mendev must look inward to purge its own ranks of the corruption the crusades have allowed to seep inside it. And what about its relationship with Taldor. Will Taldor call them home now that their work abroad is done? What if Mendev resists being called home to help restore Taldor to its former glory? And will Sarkoris recover- possibly coming back with a vengeance?

For the purpose of this discussion, we will assume any player characters defeated the final BBEG and stuck around just long enough to stabilize the immediate chaos left behind in the aftermath of an AP. After that, they ran off to other planes or otherwise became occupied by other things that more or less take up their time. So the world's more or less able to develop on its own. What do you think would happen and what ideas would you have for an age that is not as golden as we might like.


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Mikaze wrote:

:D

Cheliax rebellion!

A masked ball is involved!

Now wouldn't that be cool if there was a big plague involved here? And then the horsemen come in all dressed all in finery.

The devil worshipers can hide themselves away, but nobody can escape Death! And I must say, Death looks mighty fine in Red!


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The Politician (antipaladin/bard with rumormonger rogue talent thrown in)
This should be obvious.


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Now we just need a countdown clock.


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Headfirst wrote:

What if we, the players and DMs, are responsible for some of the balance and general design issues we're constantly pointing out in Pathfinder? Let me walk you through a timeline of the last few games in which I've played.

1. Minimal Exposition - No player input whatsoever, just some NPC telling us what the adventure is going to be about.

This would be total user error, correct.

Headfirst wrote:


2. Perception Checks - We walk around town or travel somewhere, and the only skill ever called for is perception. Whoever rolls highest gets their name attached at the beginning of "___ notices [plot point]."

This would also be user error.

However, the existence of Perception makes it relatively easy for an inexperienced, improvising, or simply tired GM to bring a game to a grinding halt by withholding plot informations necessary to keep the pace moving. Although there is some advice on introducing clues in a mystery investigation when everything else stalls, I don't see any GMing advice on how avoiding this trap.

Still, on the whole, this issue is probably more of a user error.

Headfirst wrote:


3. Vanilla Battle - A long, drawn-out grid battle against a bunch of statistically identical enemies. 12 orcs with greataxes. 10 town guards with longswords. 6 wolves. It's really just a two-hour-long tennis match of BAB vs AC.

In my experience, combats like that aren't too common, because PF is such a rules heavy system that it makes fights with that many combatants too unwieldy.

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My point here is that I think a lot of us either ignore or simply aren't proficient enough with the whole game system to really use all it has to offer.

This may relate to the individual user's capacity or the system's complexity that might induce the user to throw aside or forget. More than likely, what's at play is an interaction of player style and system.

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<SNIP>
Think about all the combat maneuvers that rarely get used

Again this may be due to user playstyle, system rules, or the interaction of the two. Combat maneuvers require investment or luck- there's a lot of disincentive from using them in general (provoking attacks of opportunity w/o feat, many are standard actions, PF breaking the previous Improved Feats into two separate ones, arbitrary feat taxes and ability score requirements, and the many separate maneuvers each having its own feat chain, etc.) OTOH, user style may have something to do with it. (Stealing or sundering an enemy's material component pouch or holy symbol is a potentially powerful tactic that I don't think is often thought of.)

Headfirst wrote:


the rules for weather, settlements, and light levels.

One of the most lobbied criticisms of PF is the versatility (and therefore power) that spellcasters have over nonspellcasters. All of those issues are much more easily dealt with by spellcasters (teleport,area effect spells, darkvision, light spells, etc.) than nonspellcasters.

Headfirst wrote:


If your DM thinks stuff like that slows down the game, what he's really doing is altering the balance to favor some playstyles and trivialize others. A DM who never bothers with traps is really saying "I'm making the decision to devalue rogues."

I think if that trapfinding is the primary thing that keeps rogues afloat, then there might be an issue with the system here. Especially if a a trait can give that to you.


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Actually, revisiting my idea on Karzavon's resurrection in Varisia somehow involving the Shadow Plane, Zon-Kuthon/Dou Bral (article in #100), and the Brotherhood of Bones. I was doing some poking around the PFWiki just for crits and grins, I was looking around for possible replacements for Karzavon, and I found another interesting possibility:
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Kedretitas

An umbral dragon servant of Zon-Kuthon. Now it's from a novel, and I seem to recall them saying that novels aren't necessarily canon. The Vale of Shadows and Elistia might've made for an interesting place to launch an AP though.

But yeah, my guess for the most likely is the AP involves the missing PF Chronicle 5 (or possibly even 6, if 6 is merely a forgery to cover up the disappearance of Durvin Gest.) I still find it a little bit strange we have Gest reportedly describing some events that takes place after #5 supposedly relates to his rumored death or disappearance.


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If we go by prophecy, I had a dream last night that said it was gonna be the dwarf Sky Citadel AP. But we know how unreliable prophecy can be on Golarion. ;)


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Whereas this is by no means a representative sample or anything, it is interesting that the "Core Four" classes are so far down on the list. Cleric's the only one that makes the top 8, and even then it's in seventh place.


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A couple of things. First, bringing martials up to speed is going to require a two-part effort: a push and pull if you will.

-pulling up the martials a bit
-pushing down the casters a bit

One or the other is not going to cut it. You're going to need a bit of both in combination, that way you can address issues on both ends and not have to go too far with one or another.

One thing I've been considering about fighters is making them more versatile by letting them "switch out" a portion of their most recently gained bonus feats each day like some of the other classes get with their specialty feats. Consider it "on the job training", if you will. This would have the added benefit of giving the fighter a few "try before you buy" sort of experience.

A partial solution to the caster over-versatility issue I was pondering was also something to make them a bit more thematic (an idea shamelessly stolen from somebody else's game I heard about). Now, this is probably solely a homebrew solution since it would require too much negotiation between the player and the DM (requiring some effort, especially for a mechanics heavy game like PF). But anyway, the thought was to give each spellcaster a "theme", a theme that governed (and to a certain extent, restricted), what the spellcaster could take relating to spells and feats that interacted with their magic (spell focus, etc.)

So for example, if a guy chose "sound caster" for his theme, he could learn spells that deal with sound/hearing. So sonic spells like shout are in, and maybe some language-dependent spells like suggestion. Certain other spells could ostensibly also be modified to fit the theme, like fireball might become a sonic-ball (borrowing the damage penalty Psionics Unleashed gives its energy powers for using sonic energy damage) and removing the "set things on fire" effect, possibly changing it to a minor sound related effect. (A little bit more damage to crystalline objects/creatures?) And we borrow a few other spells here and there to fill out that thematic spell list (sound burst perhaps.)

Anyway, the goal of this would be to narrow the scope and focus of the spellcasters while at the same time making them more flavorful and giving the player more input into how their magic works. However, this would be really fuzzy and require a lot of guestimation/back and forth negotiation, so I wouldn't think it would work as far as an official game answer. Purely homebrew/house rule stuff here.


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Current homebrew campaign (steampunk, post apoc.) I'd go with

Alchemist
Barbarian
Cleric (cloistered archetype only)
Gunslinger
Oracle
Psion (power list altered/trimmed a bit)
Ranger (skirmisher preferred)
Sorcerer (racial bonus spells per level for humans retained but no Paragon Surge allowed)


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727. We're going green. Well, my party's going green, zombie green to be exact. First rule of necromancy: reduce, reuse, recycle.
728. After the tavern brawl, they reply to the right internet threads.


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173. We're going green. Well, my party's going green, zombie green to be exact. First rule of necromancy: reduce, reuse recycle.
174. Internet poster replies to the wrong thread.


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They're kinda evil like that. ;)


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"I'll make you battle cry!"


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I'm get the feeling they're not going to tell us either way until the official announcement.


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169. Gambling adventurer hands a Deck of Many Things to an unknowing other adventurer and tells him to cut the cards. Things do not go well.
170. Adventurer hands a deck of cards to drunken barbarian with an axe and tells him to cut the cards. The barbarian takes him a little bit too literally.


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164. A couple of elves stumble into a dwarf bar.
165. A couple of dwarves stumble into an elf bar.
166. A couple of kender stumble into ANY bar.


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163. Drunken dwarves. 'Nuff said.


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"Oh my, no the 'A' button is for jump... where's that instruction manual!?!?"


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I think it would be fun to see an Adventure Path with Jatembe and the Ten Warriors that eventually leads into a "John Carter of Mars" like situation.
You've even got a built in AP name (though a bit long perhaps)
Doorway to the Red Star.

The first few volumes might be rediscovering some lost artifact or legacy of Jatembe. The 5 Facet Ring? Probably something a little bit more low-key. The investigation eventually leads to an encounter with a resurgent Throat-of-Nothingness or some similar cult. And then evidence found on the defeated cultists suggests cultist activity around the Doorway to the Red Star. The heroes journey to the Doorway, defeat some cultists there, and receive a prophecy that the King of Biting Ants (or some similar threats) will return. An artifact on the other side of the door is needed to destroy it once and for all. And then the heroes go through the door, do some John Carter-eqsue shenanigans at Akiton, and then come back for the final showdown with the BBEG.


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The_Hanged_Man wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:
If I was right with a Call of Cthulhu inspired AP, I will be the happiest fanboy ever.
Right there with you. Come on Aucturn! Papa needs a new pair of sabatons.

Whereas it's not Aucturn, if Jatembe is ever the subject of an AP, it's likely that Akiton will play a role in the AP. (Akiton has worms that walk, shuggoths, elder things, and wytchwyrds, among other things.)


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PFWiki wrote:


The Harbingers of Fate is an organization founded in 4648 AR by Lord Garron, an exiled Chelish noble living in Absalom. He believed that bringing about the prophesies foretold in writings called the Book of 1,000 Whispers would somehow retrigger the promised Age of Glory and perhaps even the return of Aroden himself. The book's predictions were accurate up to the beginning of the Age of Lost Omens, when like all other soothsaying, they could no longer foretell the future. Until his death, Lord Garron actively tried to bring about these prophesies, but never achieved any positive results.

His work has been continued by his daughter Lady Arodeth, who has used her fortune to hire agents who scour Avistan and Garund for any clues which might refer to one of the predictions. Their methods have been growing more and more desperate, as the book's final pronouncements are said to occur in 4714 AR, and so far none of them has come true. With each passing year and each passing failure, the group strays further from the teachings of Aroden and deeper into desperation and madness.[2]

Their goals are not known to the general public, who believe Lady Arodeth to simply be the uninspired inheritor of a mercenary company known in Absalom as the Band of Blades.

source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Harbingers_of_Fate

PFWiki wrote:
The Book of 1,000 Whispers is a book of prophecy used as a guidebook by the Harbingers of Fate in Absalom. This book predicts events happening between the years of 4604 AR and 4714 AR. Unfortunately for the Harbingers, many of the remaining prophecies make no sense.

source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Book_of_1,000_Whispers

Suspicion: Lady Arodeth is herself a veiled master or the group has become a pawn of the veiled masters.

It is not by accident that the Harbingers stray from Aroden's teachings, for the teachings of Aroden are being supplanted by the teachings of ABOLETH. Much like how the Decemvirate silenced Gent and fabricated a phony Pathfinder Chronicle #6, the veiled masters have replaced much of the prophecies bound within Book of 1,000 Whisper prophecies with ones nonsensical to human minds. This is because it was made for ABOLETH minds!

The name of the book is probably even a tongue in cheek reference to the ancient aboleth communal memory!

It is true the Harbingers work to bring about a new Azlant, but not like one that would have been under Aroden's rule. No, they seek to bring back an Aroden only in name and appearance, a puppet that exists to fulfill the will of the aboleth only!

(And most appropriately, this is my 667th post.)


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Until the article comes out, there's a few snippets on her at the PFWiki to tide you over. Enjoy!

Brigh article on PFwiki.


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