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And then at Lv5, a wizard throws out an Empowered Fireball. Blasting isn't hard to do by any means.
At level 6 a Wordcasting Sorcerer(crossblooded Orc/Draconic) adds +1 damage per die rolled for damage spells, or +2 for fire spells. 5d4+10 electricity and 5d4+10 fire in a cone, line, burst, single target(which means no saving throw), or brief barrier. As a third level spell. It gets better at lv10 when they spend the round to Intensify to the spell and it becomes 10d4+20 fire and 10d4+20 electricity.
And there goes my love of Urbar Barbarian. XD Barbarian gets to keep nothing and still has to be non-lawful...
Zeppler M.D., Spellware Surgeon wrote:
"I'd say it was a low blow, but that's the only kind you can make!"
Kinda late to reply, but...
Robert Jordan wrote:
We just got a Con based blaster caster, what's the big deal with a Witch using Con?
Paizo's been doing this a lot recently.
"Hey, guys, Y is coming out, but X does something similar and is actually kinda better. What should we do to get people to buy the book with Y?"
"Change X completely/somewhat, making it either useless or nonsensical for no apparent reason!"
Kinda why I like getting 1st printings.
Dwarf in the Flask wrote:
Add the Shades of the Uskwood feat and at certain levels you get undead creating spells. As a Reincarnating Druid this is awesome because you just go and reanimate your own corpse.
Add three levels of Green Faith Acolyte and you'll never worry about negative levels again.
Note: the above works best as a recurring villain, not a PC.
Paizo could just keep continuing to nerd things until the kineticist looks good. It's why the Scarred Witch Doctor is lacking it's awesome now, so why not get the rest of the classes too?
As far as combat goes, I don't think it's all that bad. ESPECIALLY water and earth mixed together. For sheer defense, no other elements will do(not that flame ever had a chance, clearly. Poor, mistreated element...)
And burn is terrible. Even with all the ways you can avoid it or even use it to your advantage, taking more no lethal damage just because you leveled up(and it's not even per kineticist levels!) is bad. People level up to get better at something, not worse. And the best way to mitigate burn, Gather Power, is severely limited at well. The only reason anyone can say that's a good thing is Kinetic Healer. There are easier ways to heal than bruising everyone.
Now if the other ranged attacks were limited to once per round attacks, with options to reduce "strain"(non lethal damage taken to use things like Deadly Aim, etc) there'd be outcry about that too.
Slightly off, because Electric Fortitude fades at a rate of 1 per hour, meaning an hour of blasting himself is 599-2,396 u typed Con increases.
Here's a terrifying NPC.
Agesthran the Invincible Stormwood:
Greensward Shambling Mound, Kineticist 1, CR 8
CG Large plant
Init +0; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-Light vision; Perception +11
Shambling mounds take no damage from electricity. Instead, any electricity attack used against a shambling mound temporarily increases its Constitution score by 1d4 points. The shambling mound loses these temporary points at the rate of 1 per hour.
Elemental Focus (SU)
As the first level Kineticist class feature. Agesthran's focus is air, and he has the basic aerokinesis talent.
As the first level Kineticist class feature.
Kinetic Blast (Sp)
As the first level Kineticist class feature. Agesthran has the Electric Blast talent.
Gather Power (Su)
As the first level Kineticist class feature.
As the first level Kineticist class feature. Agesthran has the Thundering Infusion talent.
Agesthran was once a powerful sylph Druid who, despite his vast knowledge of the sky and its creatures, knew very little of plants and the earth he so often flew over. When called upon to slay a murderous plant creature -a shambling mound- he was woeful unprepared for its ability to absorb the lightning he struck it with it, and soon was eaten.
Sill, all was not lost. Agesthran lashed out from inside the creature and managed to fuse his soul with the shambling mound and take control of it after he finally died. Now he walks a stretch of forest trying to find a way to return to his original form. Perhaps, he believes, if he protects the territory he's claimed, the dryads will help. Until then though, he must wait and watch the sky he could no longer dwell in...
Too late to change them now, because that would invalidate all the books the printed using this errata. Makes it seem like more and more of a bad move to only put the errata out when you wanna sell more books, doesn't it?
Come on, Paizo, let us playtest errata for a couple months already. It'll help reduce any outrage and stop terrible changes that rob something of its uniqueness.
Have you seen the some of the "fixes" they've done? Entire feats and class features now do nothing at all like their first incarnations. Killing off another archetype, probably when a new base class is coming out that does something similar, is entirely possible at this point.
It means players die. My friend ran a game that featured a vampire cow in an old, hay-filled barn. During the fight with The Cow-nt, they decided to use a bunch of fire spells. He kept telling them the barn was on fire, but they didn't listen.
They killed the cow right before the barn caved in and killed them.
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N. Jolly wrote:
The base of this game is 3.5, so we won't have true balance unless we completely rewrite all spells, and I'm not expecting that. But more consideration to the new material added (I don't mind new material being more tame myself) would go a long way towards giving a reason to pick up these products instead of saying "I'll wait for the second printing so my book isn't invalidated," a very real concern post ACG.
N. Jolly wrote:
While I'm not 100% on board with Lemmy's attitude, I agree with them. These erratas have been as heavy handed as possible. It's almost sarcastic the level of brutal editing we're getting here.
Wanna know the worst part? Because they only release errata before a new printing, there's next to no chance it will change soon. Because those books have to sell before we see the new, hopefully but not likely, better errata.
HOLY S&~* they killed the scarred witch doctor. It casts off Intelligence now. Wow, that one is massive.
Hmm... What was that 'casting' class that looks better now that it's the only one that uses Con? Oh yeah. The kinenticist. Paizo nerfs options so new classes look "better" guys, this isn't new.