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Andoran *****

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Doug Miles wrote:
Congratulations guy-who-has-to-put-up-with-Dragnmoon! ;)

he should make that as his email address!

guy.who.has.to.put.up.with.Dragnmoon@gmail.com

Andoran

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Chris Lambertz wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Is this still planned to be out tomorrow?
Yes, due to the nature of Adventure Card Guild play, these dates are much less likely to have wiggle room or changes as compared to the Pathfinder Society RPG Scenarios.

Thanks Chris for that information!

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Congrats Matt! Been hoping this would happen... Awesome!!!!!

Andoran

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Is this still planned to be out tomorrow?

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
There is no "campaign mode" for modules (although perhaps there should be).

I am assuming you know that the new 64 page format modules all have "campaign mode" options?

But that statement is true for the vast majority of modules.

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Wow, he was made a VC quick.

Congrats!

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GM Lamplighter wrote:

I'd like to re-explore the "serialized Adventure Path" idea here for a minute. While you couldn't just run it in hour-long segments, you *could* re-design it to just "cut to the chase" for every session. I just ran the PFS-sanctioned part of Mummy's Mask, and it would *easily* work as an Encounters-style serial. Yes, you don't get a Chronicle after every session, but you *do* get to keep the loot you find until you get the Chronicle at the "end" of the game - so just like in Encounters, someone gets the magic sword and someone else gets the potion of magic-y goodness. A set of item cards and you are good to go!

Some APs would not take to this very well - I would guess that the more dungeon-crawl-y ones would be easiest to adapt. Maybe Mummy's Mask and Shattered Star?

This would not work for the Player I think Quests would be the best used to draw in, the casual player. To get anything out of it you would have to play multiple weeks before you earned a reward which would require the same group to make it each time. APs work great for home games or small groups that can always play together at a schedule time, but not for what Quests are great at. A short format that gives an reward to hook them in.

Edit: What is great about Quests is that if you miss a game or 2 you still get the reward for play the parts you did, while missing a game or 2 for a AP can lose you out of a reward altogether.

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Thanks Chris!

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Robert Hetherington wrote:
Interesting, I had a completely different experience with Encounters than Dragnmoon is describing.

I would not recommend Paizo use the same format as WotC for a 1-2 hour casual game. I think the Quest format is a superior format. I would like to see them expanded though beyond Tier 1.

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I personally think Quests is a great way to draw in those casual players to PFS and even be used to draw them to the longer scenarios. They are great for time limited week day games.

The current 6 part Quest I could probably use and drag that out for almost 3 months of play (1 quest every 2 weeks), the only issue with it is the pregen only restriction which has caused about 90% of my current players not interested in it at all. I can still use it to bring in new players but I won't have the advantage of the veterans to help teach the new players, which is unfortunate.

One way I would love to see the Quests expanded is to move them to a tier 1-5 format, remove the pregen restriction and release four 6 part quests a year. Another way is to release 2 short quests a month that have a 6 part theme and 1 chronicle sheet for all 6 parts. Both of these formats would allow 1 small 1-2 hour quest to be run every 2 weeks.

Quests could be limited to Tier 1-5 only, with any play above level 5 restricted to scenarios/modules only. This would ease development of them and encourage moving to the longer game days.

Andoran *****

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Can we please keep this thread on subject? It is not about losing players to 5E, but more about if Encounters short format helps 5E get players and if PFS should take something like that like expanding Quests beyond what they are currently. Nor is it about the rule systems of either Version of the game. Please keep any Vs war out of this post, that will kill the post fast.

Andoran

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I would like to request a thread I opened title to be changed.

I made a poor choice in title choice and it is attracting posts that are off Subject.

Here is the thread in question:

Pathfinder Society and D&D Adventurers League

Can the title be changed to something more on subject, something like "The Future of Quests in PFS"?

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Dragnmoon, is your point that you want Paizo to generate more short, quest-style adventures and make them legal for PFS?

I guess I don't see that happening any time soon, and I'm all right with that. I think short adventures are important to grow the hobby and introduce new people to Pathfinder, but I don't believe they should be part and parcel of PFS.

I would recommend the five short adventures in the "advanced" Beginner Box set. They have stats for both the Beginner Box rules and for the full-blown Pathfinder game system. They're fun to play and easy to run.

I will have to keep an eye out on the Encounters program, maybe it was a one time deal that they went from a very small handful of players (around 5-7) to over twice of our Local PFS numbers (They had 54 when we recently been getting into the high teens).

But I think it was a mixture of the ease of casual play (1-2 hours) and of course the big D&D name.

And the beginner box will not draw players and hook them like more quests will. There has to be a reward to hook them into the Org play, that is why I am talking about the quests.

I think there can be more Quests if Paizo wanted there to be.

San Antonio could be an isolated event, but I would like to see if that is true and see the experience of other organizers have seen posted here so Paizo can see them. That is part of the reason I asked for that in my OP.

If there is not a huge call for Forms like Quests, you are right Paizo won't invest anything into them.

I personally hate Quests, I would much rather play a Scenario, but I can see a tremendous use for them here locally at least.

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I will say there was one slightly bad reaction to someone who got introduced to RPGs through WotC Encounters program.

One of the new players this weekend who only first played an RPG at the Encounters event had a look of shock when I told him that PFS normally lasts 4-5 hours a game. Though he still registered and played!

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Nimrandir wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Belafon wrote:
Published schedules show D&D happening almost exclusively on weeknights.
There is a reason for that Encounters can only be run on Wednesdays, which is one idea I don't want PFS to absorb.
Okay, I'm going to have to buy a vowel on that. Why exactly is that the case?

I have no Idea why WotC restricts their Encounters program to Wednesday only.

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I guess it is my fault I picked a poor choice for a title for the thread.

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Belafon wrote:
Published schedules show D&D happening almost exclusively on weeknights.

There is a reason for that Encounters can only be run on Wednesdays, which is one idea I don't want PFS to absorb.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

If a renewed D&D attracts new players into the hobby, that's good for them, and good for Pathfinder, too.

Right now, D&D has basic races, basic classes, and basic game mechanics. Right now, Pathfinder is a mature game system, with a dozen major hard-cover expansions. At the moment, new players can burn through all of the D&D Adventurers' League materials in a few weekends. Right now, Pathfinder Society had a deep history and a cool current storyline.

I'm expecting D&D to rope in a good chuck of new players into the hobby. Some of them will stay with D&D. Some of them will come looking to see what else is available.

I, for one, welcome all out new friends. Let's try not to be jerks when we talk about which system people like better....

Chris I am sorry please read the thread again and repost, you seem to be missing the point of it.

Though I do agree with your opening statement as I hinted at in my OP.

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David Bowles wrote:
5th is going to get a lot of players. PFS is going to shrink some. In other news, water is wet.

Not the point of this thread at all, in fact since 5th edition has started I have seen a growth (though small) in PFS play.

The main point of this thread is...

"Holy s&$% a 1-2 hour play format game drew an excessive amount of players for this area why can't PFS have more of that?"

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Well, even taking in multiple locations its still one week. There's a huge difference between getting people to play for a few hours and getting them to make it a hobby if not a part time job.

But it is a good indication of possible growth, starting that large in comparison to where they were can only help them in the long run. Even if half of the players did not show up the next game or the months after that, they would still be larger then the PFS games.

But like I said, I am getting something from this as well, I was able to get some more players in our PFS game that Encounters drew in.

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trollbill wrote:
However, having mini adventures does sound like a good idea. I have been tying to get some week night PFS games going in the area, but none of our 3 FLGS want to stay open later than 9:00 on a week night. That means you would have to start a normal PFS slot by 5:00, a time most people can't make. They stay open later on Fridays but Friday Night Magic is hard to compete with. So having a 1-2 hour game we could start as late as 7:00 would allow us to do this.

We have the same problem with this in our area though one of our stores closes at 10pm. They run games from 5:30 - 10:00 but the tight hours make running more recent scenarios difficult and the 5:30 start make it hard for many to make it to. Having monthly quests would draw more players that would also draw more players to our longer game on the weekends.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
One data point doesn't make a trend. Sky firmly entrenched.

That is why I asked this:

Dragnmoon wrote:
I am curious if other Organizers out there are seeing something similar out there as well or not seeing it at all?

So repeating that above BigNorseWolf what is your data point on this what are you seeing in your area?

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Jeff Merola wrote:
I'm not sure how much information we can gather from a single data point.

I agree that was why I am asking if others are seeing this. Be particular interested in the Large PFS areas like Atlanta and Denver.

Edit: I was very surprised on the numbers they pulled in though, RPGs as a whole have not been pulling those numbers and for 4 years here D&D never got close to that for their Org play. D&D Org play was practically non-existent here during that time.

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Brian Lefebvre wrote:
Paizo has product options to match all of these.

I don't agree with that at all, The APs do not work in 1 -2 hour formats like the Quests do or even Encounters. There is not reward after those 2 hours to satisfy that like Encounters does. Running a AP in 1-2 hour chunks would just be a long drawn out adventure that would take weeks to get anything out of it. This IMO is not a soltuion or even close to a equivalent.

Now the Quests do support this, but I am unsure how much support we will see from Paizo on this to be able to run these on at least a bi-weekly method.

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So I have been now organizing PFS in San Antonio for a little over 4 years, in attendance comparison D&D 4th edition Org Play vs PFS Org play I have always had a larger attendance. That just changed.

Before we start out I would like to point out this forewarning post by Drogon in May 2013.

Ever since I started organizing here D&D has been dying, 4th edition never drew that many players and near the end it was barely running at all. While PFS had some up and downs we have been consistently running since I started organizing. I think the most players other then Conventions but for regular game days I had was a little over 20 people, while D&D could barely get 1 table going if that.

That all changed this week. For the first Encounters 5th edition event they drew in 54 players! I have never been near that for a regular game day (I have been at conventions), I literately can't compete with that because PFS does not have enough products out there that compares to encounters.

Encounters are similar to Quests. As they say on their page, Encounters are short weekly play program, geared for a casual play audience with short sessions each week. New Encounter comes out every week easy to fit in after school or work during the weekday.

I would love to see something similar to this come out from Paizo. They can build upon the Quests idea with different tiers and releasing one new full quest (5-6 short adventures) each month just like The Silverhex Chronicles.

I will also like to add that the Strong Org play put out there by WotC has also helped me, I had a few new players this weekend who joined me who started with D&D Encounters and wanted to play PFS as well so I am glad WotC is supporting their org play so strongly.

I am curious if other Organizers out there are seeing something similar out there as well or not seeing it at all? Also other ideas out there from you all on how Paizo can put more support into PFS.

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Thanks Mike!

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I am assuming if we get access to Cybertech through a Chronicle sheet that we have to follow all the rules with the installation of the Cybertech, to include the fee to install it?

An example would be something that costs 4000 gp to buy would also cost 400 gp to install.

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I can see a few reasons for this. In the past it was mentioned that it would be too difficult to have different systems on Paizo for each module. This was brought up when it was asked why free RPG day modules counted as 2 for GM stars.

Also I am sure they want to stick to the module rules in the guide as close as possible so not to have too much confusion. Having different rules for thornkeep vs the other modules might have been bit confusing to some.

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So wait this years special is not timed? In the past they always worked a 5 hour time limit into the specials

Or is the 6 hours to acomadate set up/mustering and paperwork at the end?

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If he deos not want a number it is ok to report what you have.

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Thanks Erik!

Now to get our local store to get their account fixed so they can access them when they can get them.

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Has PFS thought about giving free Scenarios to stores that sign up for PFS like they do in Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild?

Though what I don't want to see PFS do is the month delay on scenarios like Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild does.

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Both On the Horizon and Skull & Shackles Demo Script say that a player can only get one mini chronicle a season.

I ran Skull & Shackles Demo Script a few weeks back, does that mean those players can't play On the Horizon even if they use a different character?

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Did they read it for the purpose of cheating or did they read it because he plans the GM it in the future?

The GM in exterme situations has the right to ask a player to leave the table if he spoils the scenario. This should be used as a last ditch recourse.

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Thanks for the info John.

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Thanks John for getting these out!

I have a few questions if you have a moment.

Are you still planning on going back to the old ones to edit them to the new format?

What should be our expectations on when future release of these will be? I think a few of us expected them to come out when the first book came out of the 4 books so were a little disappointed that they took longer than expected. Should we change those expectations? Is it reasonable to assume for the future they will come out after the last of book is released or do you have something else in mind for when they will be released?

On to the Pregens, it was mentioned that the original ones were being worked on and new ones were going to be added for the classes that currently don't have a pregen, will those be coming out in the next few weeks or will it be a few months down the road?

Once again thanks for getting these out I look forward to adding them to a PC.

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I only see that error myself when the credit is giving to a pc that already got credit for it.

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Mark Moreland wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Yay the Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild logo is now on the blog which leaves it free for use with the CUP!

Not true. See below, emphasis mine.

Community Use Policy wrote:
You may use any of the text or artwork published in the Paizo Blog at paizo.com/paizo/blog, with the exception of excerpts of Planet Stories publications, Pathfinder Comics, and any logos and icons that aren't also in the Community Use Package.
When the Adventure Card Guild logo is added to the Logos package, then it will be covered by the CUP, but not until such time as that update is made.

ARGH!!!!!!!!

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Yay the Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild logo is now on the blog which leaves it free for use with the CUP!

Andoran *****

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I believe it is in Brunwald Castle.

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Velarrio Ileor the Faceless wrote:

Looks good Dragnmoon. Very dedicated work to sift through all those books and make that list.

On a side note. I looked at Besmara on the list. I also found her mentioned solely in the Pathfinder Player Companion: Pirates of the Inner Sea book.

Additional Resources does not add Pathfinder Player Companion: Pirates of the Inner Sea as a legal source for Besmara. Currently the legal sources for Besmara are The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, Pathfinder Player Companion: Champions of Balance and Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods.

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I made a small update today:

Added Pathfinder Campaign Setting - Chronicle of the Righteous back as a legal source for Irez as according to the recent Additional Resources update.

You can find the latest file here.

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Thanks for updating Additional Resources with all above!

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Lou Diamond wrote:

Last night I was trying to get a new account for my Ipad and the account wizard kept giving me the error this email address not Recognized

the email address for my Ipad is grimsword@icloud.com

1 Person can not have 2 accounts. On your iPad you would have to use the same account you are posting here with.

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Liz Courts wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
I hope you guys fill that web job position your advertising soon. Your web team is working way to hard recently.
..."recently?"

It has only really been noticeable since Gen Con

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I hope you guys fill that web job position your advertising soon. Your web team is working way to hard recently.

Andoran

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Mike I sent you an email on the subject.

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In the Pregenerated Character Lists the High Level Ezren seems to be missing an ally.

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Duncan7291 wrote:
As long as you have a chronicle that is for that character and played before the cutoff date then you are good to go.

You are missing the important part, that chronicle received prior to the cut off part must have been as playing a Tiefling, which is not what the poster describes.

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Just make it known that if a player is replaying a scenario then they'll be seated last. Fresh players get first priority.

That may work, I do something similar with PFS when I am short on GMs.

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